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ARLINGTON, TX - OCTOBER 24:  C.J. Wilson #36 of the Texas Rangers pitches in the first inning during Game Five of the MLB World Series against the St. Louis Cardinals at Rangers Ballpark in Arlington on October 24, 2011 in Arlington, Texas.  (Photo by Tom Pennington/Getty Images)

Want lots of Rangers news this morning?  Well, you're out of luck.

Mike Olt was named to the AFL All-Prospect team.

Behind the paywall, Evan Grant asks if the Rangers can keep their team together going forward.

Matt Mosley talks about all the suitors after C.J. Wilson (although this article is a couple of days old), which includes this:

Apparently some teams may have a short memory when it comes to Wilson's postseason struggles, although the Rangers won't be in that camp.

I've said this before, but the idea that C.J. Wilson can't pitch well in the postseason, or that his postseason performance should materially impact what teams are willing to pay him, is asinine, and I'm coming to think it is more a reflection of what some in the media think of him, rather than what other teams think.  C.J. rubs some in the media the wrong way.  If C.J. were popular and well-liked by the media, the postseason stuff would be dismissed.  Because he's a whipping boy for some in the media (along with a vocal minority of fans), that is focused upon.

Put another way...C.J. has a 4.82 ERA in 52.1 innings, which some are acting like is this great evidence he can't pitch in big situations, can't handle the postseason.

Josh Hamilton has a .234/.303/.438 line in the postseason.  Does anyone really think the media is going to be constantly referencing that next offseason, when he's a free agent?

Michael Young has a  .241/.266/.380 line in the postseason.  Does it surprise anyone that C.J.'s struggles in the postseason have been magnified by the media, while Young's have been ignored?*

*  When I bring this up on Twitter, the inevitable response is, so you think Texas should give him 6 years, $120 million?  Of course I don't.  But it isn't because of his postseason performance.

Also...remember when we had to pay Cliff Lee more than he was really worth because he's so great in the postseason?  He's 0-3 with a 7.16 ERA in his last three postseason starts.

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Old stuff, but Goldstein mentioned on the last BP Podcast that the Rangers were interested in Cespedes

I hope so. You get beyond the goofyness of that scouting video, and holy shit, that power, that arm, speed… you could put whoever in left, Martin in center, and he in right when Nelson Cruz leaves.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11

by vfn on Nov 20, 2011 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

I'm getting more keen one Soler for the age aspect

But, if Cespedes could be ready for MLB mid 2012…

My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen

by Keynes on Nov 20, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

!one (=on)

My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen

by Keynes on Nov 20, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I've read Soler needs 800-1000 abs

Project.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Nov 20, 2011 10:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Duh.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Nov 20, 2011 10:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Thereabouts

I was just pointing out that he is different from Cepedes expectations.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Nov 20, 2011 11:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Sign them both

/ninja’d

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11

by vfn on Nov 20, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

no CBA comments?

info has been linked here

This is what I find interesting…

Starting next year, teams will have to make a “qualifying offer” of a one-year guaranteed contract to their players eligible to become free agents in order to receive compensation if the player signs with another club. That amount will be at least $12.4 million and could rise by next year, depending on a formula. The new “qualifying offer” does away with the statistical formula for ranking free agents that has existed since the 1981 strike settlement.

Sounds like the teams will determine who requires compensation.

by RangerMad on Nov 20, 2011 10:23 AM CST reply actions  

Am I reading this right?

This will basically limit compensation to those players who would be valued at over 12 million / year?

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Nov 20, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Pretty much.

Or guys who want a long term deal.

It’ll eliminate the trade for a reliever and get a bunch of picks racket.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Nov 20, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

well, if I'm a guy l who wants a 4 year, $15 million deal

I’d love a 1 year, 12.4 million offer

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Nov 20, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Sure...

But if you’re a guy that wants a 3 year, $30 million deal you might not.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Nov 20, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Basically.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11

by vfn on Nov 20, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

If a team makes a "offer" to one of their FAs of at least 12 mil a year (subject to change)

And they go sign elsewhere, regardless of for how much it sounds like, they get compensation.

So if a guy is looking for a long term deal and turns down the 1 yr/ 12 mil deal to sign a 3/30 deal it would cost compensation.

At least thats what it sounds like to me.

by bigsteve on Nov 20, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

/Hammy

Actually this could work out well with Josh, or Fielder, etc. Little risk in the offer being accepted, and teams may be able to load up for another playoff run. If not, get a premium draft pickchoose playerman.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Nov 20, 2011 11:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Seems like a sound concept. Can't wait to see how the media screws it up

“Oh my god! They only offered X one year at $12.4 MM. What a slap in the face to player X!”

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Nov 20, 2011 8:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

AJM lookin' for action.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Nov 20, 2011 10:23 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I'm not, but what is it about CJ that "rubs some in the media the wrong way"?

Is it just that he’s different or does it go back to earlier perceptions of him in the clubhouse or does he not play their games or what?

by other_shoe on Nov 20, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

They think he is a douche

Haters be hatin’.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Nov 20, 2011 10:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Money

is one big factor to include in the list. Free Agency is great for the player who benefits from the scarcity effect. But, I don’t see much evidence that demonstrates how teams losing good players benefit or how teams signing over-priced free agent players benefit. (Obviously, there are many exceptions).

"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington

by 3Bagger on Nov 20, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Probably D) All of the above.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Nov 20, 2011 11:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I would think the media of all people would love him

More than anyone, you can count on Ceej to talk your ear off and say something interesting.

by Chewtoy123 on Nov 20, 2011 2:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You should really try to get these up before lunchtime

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Nov 20, 2011 10:34 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Oh you mouthpiece...

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/3829/prince-fielder

Heyman says the Rangers looking to lock up Josh longterm…ORLY???

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Nov 20, 2011 10:44 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Yep

Love Josh, but that kind of risk at the price he’s going to cost… it will be time to let the Yankees give him an obscene amount.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11

by vfn on Nov 20, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I dont really know what the reasoning could be if we had to choose between giving a long term/ big money deal to either Josh or Prince and we chose Josh.

by bigsteve on Nov 20, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

It all depends on the cost.

Most likely, that cost will be too high, but don’t say you hope it isn’t true when you don’t know the terms.

by Akalhar on Nov 20, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I would love to have him back long term

If it would be under $8-9 mil AAV. That’s not going to happen though.

by philclark on Nov 20, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember MY taking a ton of shit, hell, walking point on the issue when

he was in a 3 for 27 to start this last post-season. It was THE most talked about issue, both locally and nationally going into Game 4 of the ALCS.

CJ shouldn’t need to take any crap about his 2010 post-season. Please don’t be a dumbass and try to evaluate his 2010 post-season with ERA, just don’t.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 10:47 AM CST reply actions  

x
It was THE most talked about issue, both locally and nationally going into Game 4 of the ALCS

If by “both locally and nationally” you mean “on LSB”.

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 20, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

It's his narrative

and you’re only living in it.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11

by vfn on Nov 20, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

It was covered extensively on The Ticket, local ESPN, 105.3 The Fan, most of the local sports networks, Fox Southwest,

several national writers and if you’ll recall, there was a 2.5 hour rain delay before Game 4 so Fox National covered it as well.

LSB is much different…it’s like asking Keith Olberman about a republican.

JDT217 was running around like a young girl into a strong north wind screaming “3 for 27!!!”

Later on…during the World Series Game 6 GDT…philkid couldn’t contain his excitement when he was jumping up and down “I’m so happy that the Rangers are going to win a World Series with Michael Young out of the game” or whatever it was that he said.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

PK expressed surprise... not joy.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Nov 20, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Bullshit.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Uh huh. Go look again.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Nov 20, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

He said something like "I don't know if I'm more surprised or happy that the

Texas Rangers are going to win a World Series with Michael Young out of the line-up."

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

So you decided for him?

"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz

by AceJC on Nov 20, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Rangers had won the World Series, I wouldn't have cared

if Tom Hicks had pitched a no-hitter to his douche son while JD hit a grand slam.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Hicks, Li'l Tommy, and Daniels

One of these things is not like the others…

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 20, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

It still wouldn't have mattered to me because knowing we skulled

one of the few opportunities we will ever have to win a World Series is gone.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Its just funny...

…how it illustrates the level of hostility you have towards the g.m. No wonder you were rooting for him to go to the Mets last year.

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 20, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been fine with JD the last two years and have said so

several times. You know this.

Nolan Ryan made the right decision to keep both him and Wash but there is a unique dynamic that exists here…a HOF comes off the couch, analyzes what’s wrong for a season and then immediately fixed it. He demanded everybody get better or leave. Wash & JD got better.

I did have a lot of hostility towards JD for his job performance from October 2005 thru 2008 but that hostility is gone.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Nolan arrived in February 2008.

He said he was going to spend that season evaluating, analyzing and suggesting before implementing change.

Well, 2008 was another godawful sub -.500 season that saw the team give up 967 runs and lead the world in errors and unearned runs allowed. That season was the afterbirth of a lot bad decisions This Thing had made for several years.

In 2009, the record was much better, the pitching and defense was much better, hell, we even made a run at the playoffs…do you remember saying how you wept when the Rangers won 2 of 3 from the Red Sox in mid August of that year?

Nolan Ryan immediately fixed what was wrong and what been wrong for years after one season of evaluation.

Both JD and Wash deserve credit for getting better at their jobs.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I should also say my feelings towards JD have changed over the last two seasons

and that’s strictly based on the performance of the team.

I used to think he was completely incompetent and in waaaaaay over his head. He’s said that the FO made a lot of dumb decisions early on but he found a way (by working well with Nolan Ryan) to survive (always JD’s greatest strength) and ultimately do a good job.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

The defense improved in 2009 once somebody (JD) had the stones to move the statue at short after his GG.

Nolan gets credit for backing JD and Wash and then mediating the dispute once Face demanded a trade. Even Nolan said, “When you look at a decision of this nature, it falls on the gm.”

http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090115&content_id=3746465&vkey=news_tex&fext=.jsp&c_id=tex

"Say, you don't think there's any way I can get that quarter
From underneath your pointy boot, do ya?"

by Scruffy Nurfherder on Nov 20, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

That topic isn't worth arguing with him about

He predicted failure for Elvis in 2009, and claimed that the move was entirely on JD.

Once Elvis succeeded, he backtracked and said that making Elvis the shortstop was a Nolan decision, not a Daniels decision.

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 20, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Galloway said in 2009 that Nolan Ryan

wanted to bring up Elvis in 2008 but was held back by JD and crew.

I was wrong about Elvis, just like you were wrong about CJ becoming a good starter and Nolan Ryan becoming one of the most effective baseball executives in MLB.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I stopped reading at "Galloway said..."

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Nov 20, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Wow...

I assume Elvis was in A ball in 08. That could have been a potential freaking disaster on Elvis’ psyche.

"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler

by selke99 on Nov 20, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

He spent all of 2008 in Frisco, but was in Bakersfield the season before that.

Basically Josey is saying that Nolan wanted to bring Elvis to The Show after having him in the system for 27 games in A+ ball.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Nov 20, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Which would make Nolan An Idiot

and I don’t believe Nolan to be anything close to An Idiot.

"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz

by AceJC on Nov 20, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

It was supposedly during the 2008

season so that would mean that Elvis had some AA experience.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Spring Training.....

"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan

by red3biggs on Nov 20, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt that...I imagine was sometime

around when Ryan fired JD’s pitching coach. That night is when Nolan started to implement change.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Connor?

The Rangers were 57-53 when Connor was fired in 2008. If that’s when Nolan started to implement change, he didn’t do a good job, since they went 22-30 the rest of the season.

Good thing he quit meddling after that.

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 20, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

You're wanting to blame that 22-30 finish on the loss of Connor?

Seems silly.

All of this is really silly because I would n’t have had a problem with the Rangers winning the World Series with JD as the GM or if he had hit the 2-run HR in the 10th that Josh hit.

It seems a lot more silly…fuck that…it seemed like a brain-dead statement to say that you were going to be so happy that the Rangers were going to win a World Series without Michael Young in the line-up.

What a fucking idiot…how does every Ranger fan feel about what happened now?

Nice job of muddying up the water.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Kinda like you with Mark Cuban...

Can’t tell if you’re trolling or serious tweeting that Dirk brought Dallas a championship. Never mind that was the best supporting cast Dirk ever had, assembled by Donnie and Cuban.

"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler

by selke99 on Nov 20, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What about XM175? Were they on the story too?

"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs

by JDT217 on Nov 20, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget noted LSB leader...the unforgettable Joe Poz.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait a minute...

You use road ERA to prove in your mind that Dan Haren can’t hold CJ’s jock… but ERA is bad for CJ’s 2010 postseason?

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Nov 20, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

What's the difference in the innings pitched?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

And Haren couldn't hold CJs jock the last two years.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Of the many odd opinions you have... that's up there.

CJ’s been very good… but so has Dan Haren.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Nov 20, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Dan Haren has been good the last two years...he just couldn't hold CJs jock.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

What the hell does that mean exactly?

If CJ is a number 2 bordering on a number one… you think Haren is a 4 bordering on a 3?

Because if they were both FA… you’d see Haren get a bigger deal with more suitors.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Nov 20, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

It means exactly what I wrote...CJ was far superior to Haren the last two years.

If you’re going to evaluate players by the deal they get, Zito, Soriano and Werth are all going to Cooperstown in the next 15 years.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Far superior?

Okay…

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Nov 20, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Far superior. Per the last two years...

Wilson is hampered by his home park but has dealt grief on the road….2.50ish ERA on the road the last two years in 210 IPs.

Haren is protected by his home park but he has a 4.15ish ERA in 227 IPs on the road.

2.50 is far surperior to 4.15, wiseguy.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

"Wiseguy?"

Are you Italian, matchst1ck?

 ; )

"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz

by AceJC on Nov 20, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Uh...oh, I may have to appear again before the Committee That Points Out Racism.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

You've already appeared, had an opportunity to be heard, and been afforded all of the process to which you were due.

Your claims were denied, and your denials judged to be incredible.

"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs

by JDT217 on Nov 20, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

May a mean spirited leprachaun jam 10 lbs of corn

beef laced with Jameson straight up your expansive ass.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

For some reason I read this as candy corn the first time.

Not sure why.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Nov 20, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Give me a choice between the two

I’d take Haren. Give me the guy who doesn’t walk anybody and Ks a lot of guys. Haren spent half of 2010 in a very HR friendly park, along with the 2 years before that and he was dominant.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Nov 20, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He also spent that half season pitching against pussy NL teams,

predominantly teams in the uber pussy NL West.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

28 to 120 something.

What’s the difference in level of competition?

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Nov 20, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Also... for CJ's 2010 post season...

ERA is his best number… his FIP and xFIP are much much worse.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Nov 20, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Who gives a fuck about his FIP or xFIP?

He did an excellent job in 3 of his 4 starts.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Excellent?

If CJ did an excellent job… what word describes Cliff Lee’s non World Series starts?

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Nov 20, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Koufax

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

If we had signed Koufax at 31?

Not good.

"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington

by 3Bagger on Nov 20, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

If you use things besides ERA to evaluate his 2010 postseason...

It don’t look so great.

5.17 FIP, and 4.64 xFIP (actually higher than this year’s 4.51 postseason xFIP) and a 5.65 tERA.. Lots of fly balls, not so many groundballs, not so many strikeouts. If it wasn’t for his .188 BABIP last year the “CJ can’t pitch in the postseason” meme would’ve started a year earlier.

by LSJ on Nov 20, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Ceej

I’m really going to miss him.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Nov 20, 2011 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

I can buy the argument that CJ is not the level of pitcher one would want

to build post-season hopes around. And one could make the argument that that is what the Rangers need.

THat isn’t really based on his post-season numbers; rather that is based more on the fact that he’s not a top tier #1 – he’s probably in that 15-30 range of pitchers in baseball. And those #1s at that level are great to have, but you really can’t rely on them to carry the team on their shoulders in October.

Of course, look at how much Halladay, Lee, Verlander, and Sabathia helped their teams last year…

If CJ wants Ace money, he probably shouldn’t get it because he’s simply a solid #1/2 who is getting older. That has nothing to do with the postseason

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Nov 20, 2011 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

not gonna lie... matteo25 drank me under the table last night

"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011

"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011

by I am Neftali Feliz on Nov 20, 2011 1:14 PM CST reply actions  

fucking hell... wrong thread.

"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011

"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011

by I am Neftali Feliz on Nov 20, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Anyone know when the Rangers release their

Spring Training schedule?

~Chicks dig the BOOMSTICK~

by eastbaysd on Nov 20, 2011 2:27 PM CST reply actions  

they're always real slow about it

Maybe in December? But you can know most of their dates already by looking at other teams’ announced dates. One place to see a compilation like this is here: http://springtrainingonline.com/features/master-schedule-cactus.htm

Believe in each other... Have each other’s backs... Do what the game asks you to do... All for one and one for all. In that attitude is a lot of strength. That what’s gonna get it done. It’s nothing but a baseball game... enjoy yourselves. -- Wash

by imjustsayin' on Nov 20, 2011 3:59 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions   1 recs

they are playing the cubs in vegas this spring.

"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011

"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011

by I am Neftali Feliz on Nov 20, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

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