Thanksgiving Eve Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 23, 2011 8:41 AM CST
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T.R. Sullivan has a story on the Rangers' signing of free agent Joe Nathan.
Joey Matches details the problems with the new CBA, in terms of how it impacts teams like the Rangers that have invested heavily in amateur talent.
Jon Heyman writes that the Rangers are "only pretending" to be interested in C.J. Wilson, given the size of the contract he's going to be able to command.
That would be consistent with Jon Daniels' comments yesterday, where he says the Rangers "will probably go" with a rotation of the five guys they have right now -- Colby Lewis, Derek Holland, Matt Harrison, Alexi Ogando, and Neftali Feliz, with Scott Feldman as the long man.
Richard Durrett is at #3 on his "Dazzling Dozen" series, and highlights Derek Holland's Game 4 World Series start.
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I think "pretending" is too strong a word
I think the Rangers woul welcome CJ back if only the price was more reasonable. CJ pitched himself into a contract that our FO has deemed too expensive and thus we are moving on which we demonstrated by signing Nathan and moving Feliz to the rotation.
“Pretending” makes it sound like we have no interest in him coming back at all
CJ: I'll come back for 4y/20m
JD: no can do, we’re just pretending.
This would NEVER happen, because it makes JD sound like an idiot.
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Nov 23, 2011 8:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think they have an interest, bigsteve.
It seems…this is a key word, seems….like JD has never been a big fan of CJ.
CJ’s 2009 season was kind of back n forth. He was really good when he was pitching on rest but not so much when he had to pitch on consecutive days. I don’t know how you qualify that season…he was probably somewhere between slightly above average to good…nowhere close to what Mike Adams is right now.
So when CJ broaches the subject of starting with JD (only after Nolan gives the green light) he’s told that he’ll be back in the bullpen unless he proves in Spring Training that he’s one of our two best starters.
CJ goes out and proves that he’s an excellent pitcher, somewhere between an ace and a really good #2 pitcher.
When the Rangers have an opportunity to sign him last off-season, they act like they’re at the bargaining table with Colby’s agent and make an embarrassing offer that CJ swatted out to half court.
CJ goes out and has another stellar year. Not only proves he can pitch in Arlington, he’s a bad-ass on the road.
So when it comes time to pony up and pay CJ what he’s earned…the Rangers go get a 37 year old coming off TJ to be their closer and then move a completely unproven Feliz to the rotation.
If CJ gets away, this was completely misplayed by JD or he never had an interest in bringing him back.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 23, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
why does it have to be a misplay?
it could just be an organizational decision not to go 5 years on a 31 year old pitcher and that 31 year old pitcher thinking he could earn a 5 year contract.
It looks like CJ will have earned that contract, but beating this drum of yours regarding JD mishandling this is offbase.
by elvis1isking on Nov 23, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is silly. The market will determine whether the Rangers are interested in CJ.
I don’t really see what you intend to be evidence in support of your claim that JD seems to never have been a fan of CJ. It’s clear they aren’t a fan at the sticker price of an Ace, and it’s clear that were uncertain he could take the next developmental step to be a near-Ace when they offered him the contract. That’s all you can say from what you’ve posted.
The Rangers have as complete of a scouting report on CJ as anyone could possibly have, and I’m certain they very highly regard his talent and abilities. They aren’t going $100M on CJ, and that seems like a reasonable stance to me. It appears Cashman isn’t going $100M on CJ. If the Royals or Pirates or Diamondbacks want CJ to be their Ace and pay him accordingly, that’s fine with me, and the Rangers should let him walk.
It will be interesting if the market pushes a 5/90 contract for CJ. I don’t know what the Rangers would do with that. With the emphasis of the new CBA on FA rather amateur players, he could be the first to reap the benefits, and it seems like the market may come to this.
I would be disappointed if CJ signed in the $80M range and the Rangers were not the team to sign him. North of 5-yr and/or $90M, I get nervous, especially now that the CBA penalizes teams for investing in amateur players. There is less room for error with big contracts when young talent is less likely to be as deep on the farm, thanks to these penalties.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
I, personally, don't want to pay $18M+ per for CJ
that’s just me. I love him, but I don’t think that is money well spent. Like you said, there is less room for error on big contracts for teams like the Rangers.
I, also, think trading really good prospects becomes a bit harder with this CBA. I would think those top end prospects would become more valuable, but I suppose so do proven players that are cost effective or at least under team control.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
For a guy who picked the Rangers to miss the playoffs and be a mediocre team...
You sure are hard on other people being able to predicting the future.
I don’t think JD misplayed it at all. Hindsight makes a 4 year deal for $13m a year look good now.
But in 2010 CJ was a good #2. He wasn’t “between an ace and a really good #2”… he was just a good #2.
Last year is when he started approaching that #1 territory… but it comes down to how confident you are that he can maintain or repeat that.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
"For a guy who picked the Rangers to miss the playoffs and be a mediocre team..." Nice shoehorn.
I also nailed their record on the nose in 2007 and said they’d go 76-86 in 2008 (they went 79-83 but Pythag had them at 76-86). The same person was the GM back then (but didn’t have Nolan Ryan’s guidance).
None of that really matters. 2011 is over.
We need to see how this plays out but if JD’s best offer last off-season was 3/36 in early March, that’s a screw-up if CJ goes somewhere else.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 23, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
What did you want them to offer CJ after one good season? 5/60?
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 23, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
I've said 4/56 for a long time...think I said that last spring.
That would have been an offer that CJ would have had to think about for a long time.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 23, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
You did say something similar in the spring.
You definitely get credit for calling it before his bad ass 2011.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Again
If CJ was seeking a 5/70 (as eclou suggests) or 5/80-85 like national people have suggested there isn’t much to think about if your offer is only 4/56
Eclou said that CJ was considering a 4/50 counter offer to their 3/36
Take it with a grain of salt… but I do believe that eclou has a level greater than 0 of inside knowledge.
That doesn’t meant that he would have signed a 4/56 if offered… because he did want 5/70. But he might have… the thing is… personally I wouldn’t have even offered 4/56. I think the gamble was too high for his limited track record and having a good year… but also leading the league in walks.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
4/56 would have been a fair, serious offer from the team that CJ would have needed to consider.
A 3/36 offer in early March is a fucking joke.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
3/36 is about as much as I would have felt comfortable offering
A guy who only had one year of starting and led the league in walks.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Ted Lilly got 4/42 or so after 2006 and he was a #2-3 starter.
3/36 was a “I’m covering my ass by making an offer for many millions but there’s no way in hell you sign it” contract.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Also known as an "Opening Offer"
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Apparently it was the "only offer" of last off-season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Spilt milk...
But I wonder what would have happened if CJ’s camp came back with 4/$50.
I still think that’s scary money.
My Matt Harrison comp is applicable… I agree that it isn’t apples to apples. CJ had more experience… but it’s close. Different risks… but it does put into perspective
A) How good a year Harrison had
B) That CJ in 2010 wasn’t really a TORP… just a good pitcher
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Nov 23, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nolan was doubtful that CJ could replicate his season
so he was weary of offering any ore money
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
Whether he had to think about it or not is irrelevant.
Whether he would have signed it eventually is relevant. And from all appearances, it wouldn’t have made sense knowing what we knew at the time to offer what CJ would have signed.
There is a space here where both sides acted reasonably under the circumstances and we still end up where we are.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Please read my
signature. May sound familar. Im sure the same applied for 2011.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Nov 23, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Not only that....CJ himself has said in interviews that the money is not
the most important thing because he already has a good life…you know, his cars, his 100 inch TV. 13 million (nearly doubling his salary) seems like a pretty good bump…have you considered that CJ might not want to pitch here as much as he says he does? He has said he would like to play in the NL so he could bat….he’s a California guy….
I just love how you place the blame on the FO for everything…..
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 23, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think this can be overstated
I think that now that he’s felt out the offers and interest from around the league, it would not surprise me if he was interested in moving West and moving to the NL
He has the option now, and the contract he signs likely covers most of the rest of his career.
I’ve said for awhile, my out of the blue gut call is the D’Backs for 6 years
I guess I've just never understood why you hate Jon Daniels so much.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Right?
I feel like he’s a pretty likable guy. Especially as a Rangers fan. He’s helped turn our franchise around. How do you not love everyone associated with this team, right now?
Well when you spend the last 6 years trashing every single thing the guy has done
Its tough to go back and realize that he has brought this team more success than in its entire history combined.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
by Gdawg on Nov 23, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I think that's the reason JW does it
I still don’t understand why you’d let your pointless (no offense, everyone) bloggings dictate your feelings about your favorite baseball team.
Crotchety old bigots will do what they do
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
by Gdawg on Nov 23, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So when you have nothing else, you pull out the Crutch of the Unsophisticated
and play the race card.
It means you have to disregard the fact that nobody in here was tougher on Tom Hicks or Chris Davis than me.
You also have to disregard the fact that Sandy Koufax is an all-time hero and that I consider Jackie Robinson one of the most important Americans of the 20th Century.
You have to disregard the fact that I thought Curtis Granderson & Ryan Braun should have been MVPs this year.
You also have to disregard the fact that Michael Young is one of my all-time favorite Rangers.
The only thing JD is a victim of with me is his track record from 2006-2008.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Josey
I too was ready to throw JD to the wolves for moves he pulled in the early years of hid tenure here. But I have since turned the corner on him as a GM.
I don't think of him as incompetent.
Everything about This Thing (including JD) became better after Ryan came aboard.
Although he’s been good to very good the last two years he’s still had some missteps.
I view his failure to properly evaluate CJ last off-season as another misstep…that doesn’t mean I feel the same way about him now that I felt after 2008.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Okay Josie, we all get it.
Please stop saying the same thing over and over.
And the rest of you, you know better. Josie is not going to be persuaded by anything, whether that be statistics or logic.
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Nov 23, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't like the job JD did from 2006-2008. He was profoundly incompetent and in over his head. He's also admitted he wasn't very good at the job his first two years and the proof is in the standings.
He was pretty much out of the way in 2009 while Nolan Ryan fixed the mess JD created (967 runs allowed in 2008).
Since 2009 ended, JD has had some missteps but overall he’s done a good to very good job.
This bullshit about me supposedly hating JD needs to end because I have acknowledged when he’s done well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 23, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
But do you understand that from our standpoint, it always looks like you're taking shots at Jon Daniels, and never at Nolan Ryan?
That’s not a criticism; it’s just an honest question as to whether or not you recognize our point of view. If we’re mistaken, that’s one thing, but I’m curious to see if you see where we’re coming from.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
by ghtd36 on Nov 23, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Why are you ignoring how complimentary I've been towards JD the last two years?
Yes, he’s had missteps and deserved everything Michael Young did and said to him last February but I’ve been largely complimentary of the job JD has done since 2009 ended.
Once the mess at hand was cleaned up, JD has mostly done well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 23, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta keep you honest with the chin music.
Nolan Ryan would approve.
You’ve swung and miss badly two straight years on the two best teams in franchise history… predicting the future ain’t easy.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I gave JD an A- for the 2010 off-season / in-season and a B+ in 2011.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 23, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
After you saw the results or before the start of the season?
No one is impressed that you can say how well a GM did at the end of a season, merely cupping the balls of hindsight.
by Jobu. on Nov 23, 2011 12:17 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Go find a LSB Do-Gooder to suck on that bottle of research per 2010
because I can’t remember but I wasn’t very happy going into 2011.
A few of the the reasons I wasn’t happy heading into 2011 is because the bullpenis was in shambles and neither CJ nor Josh were given extensions.
I was worried the Beltre Contract was going to keep us from signing either one of them.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 23, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
But as it turns out,
that offseason led us to another WS.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
I remember
You hated on Colby and then predicted that JD’s poor off-season would lead to another non-playoff finish.
The same thing you predict ever year.
You remember wrong....I rode the fence on Colby...couldn't figure
out why he signed the contract he signed.
I said he either had the best or worst agent in the history of professional sports.
Try again and stop lying.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Oh really.
I’m not expecting anything of quality from Cobra Lewis and if Oakland, Seattle or LAAA had signed we’d all be laughing our asses off at them.
That was right after he signed.
And
yes, this signing is without a doubt another clear example that JD isn’t submitting anything to this off-season to Nolan Ryan for approval.
He’s counting on somebody who has never had success in The Show to be a part of the rotation next season.
That’s how you know it’s JD’s move all the way.
From the same thread.
We can keep going here, too. With this one, and this one, and this one (all of those are from the very same subthread), and this one (worth looking at for sure)…
What about all of those?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
by Aqua on Nov 23, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Box quote fail. Damn.
But just to be more clear about it, I’ll post the quotes where you made specific predictions.
There are several players in The Show who have played in Japan
which makes me assume there are also several teams scouting the Pacific Rim for talent, especially pitchers.
So who’s bringing up the Nolan / JD Dynamic now? Certainly not me.
Make no mistake, no matter how Lewis does in 2010, this (and the entire off-season has been) is a JD deal all the way.
JD loves pick up a player or pitcher and then require them to do something they either didn’t do last year or has never done in their career.
Colby Lewis turns 31 this season, has been in 5 different major league organizations and has a career 6.45 ERA in 217 IPs in The Show.
Yet, he’s been given nearly $ 6 million and a spot in our rotation by JD.
This should end well.
I don’t think anybody else in MLB
shares your vision of Lewis getting 175 IPs with a 4.00-4.50 ERA.
Pitchers like that on the open market cost a lot of money. See Suppan, Lilly, Meche. They all received $ 10-11 million per for at least four years.
If the Orioles felt the same way, why wouldn’t they make a play for Lewis at $ 3.5 million and use the rest on somebody else?
It’s been a very active off-season and JD has definitely “looked busy.”
I don’t think we’ve moved backwards but I’m having a hard time figuring out where we’ve improved. Our glaring team weaknesses of 2009 are still just as glaring.
Colby Lewis seems like somebody who should be considered AAA depth and nobody that you’d be giving $ 6 million and the ball every 5 days.
If he was really good, more teams would have been after him and he would have been a helluva lot more expensive. That is, unless the Rangers Pacific Rim Job knows more than everybody else.
I’m not a fan of Brandon McCarthy at all but he’s a better pitcher than Lewis. I’d rather see Harrison, Holland or CJ being given a chance to start than watching a 31 year old Cobra Lewis throw down a 6.00 ERA while killing our bully every 5 days.
I will be shocked if Lewis can
give the Rangers 150 IPs with an ERA below 5.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
by Aqua on Nov 23, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LET'S KEEP GOING!
My stance right now on Cobra Lewis is heavy skepticism. I’ve never seen a pitcher struggle in The Show as a pitcher, find it in Japan and come back as a 31 year old and be successful in The Show.
Doesn’t sound like riding the fence to me.
Which is exactly why I’m not convinced that Lewis is going to give us 175+ IPs with an ERA under 4.50. Those pitchers cost a lot more than $ 2.5 million per.
If Lewis puts up those kind of numbers in 2010, I will give him kudos a la Darren O’day for a job well done.
So says the person in a circle jerk celebrating the fact that Cobra Lewis and K Green are both Rangers.
There is a logical voice in this baseball wilderness.
I will say this…IF Lewis can give us 175 IPs with an ERA of close to 4.00 and Harden gives us a 165+ IPs of his usual stuff….I’m going to need to give JD some serious pats on the back and full credit.
I don’t know that I said nobody else wanted to sign Colbyashi.
What I said is that if teams really felt like Lewis was going to pitch 180 IPs with an ERA around 4.00, he either would have cost a helluva lot more than 2 years / $ 5 million or he has a really shitty agent.
IF Lewis does put up 180 IPs with an ERA close to 4.00, that’s a major kill for JD.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
by Aqua on Nov 23, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Did you expect a response?
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Nov 23, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
I love how the numbers kept changing.
For when JD would get credit.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Hardly...those responses essentially say how on the fence I was with Lewis.
I was very skeptical about Lewis.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Maybe if the fence was in Round Rock.
Colby Lewis seems like somebody who should be considered AAA depth and nobody that you’d be giving $ 6 million and the ball every 5 days.
I will be shocked if Lewis can give the Rangers 150 IPs with an ERA below 5.
SHOCKED.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Didn't you just repeat this week that you'll admit when you're wrong?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Didn't I say....
“My stance on Cobra Lewis is heavy skepticism….” ?
It’s right there for everybody to see, ’Stick.
I have no problems admitting I’m wrong when I’m actually wrong.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
What youve said has been clearly quoted above
“On the fence” means you think theres about a 50/50 shot of him succeeding vs failing.
Tell me how those qoutes show you are 50/50 on him succeeding?
"My stance right now with Cobra Lewis is heavy skepticism."
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 24, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Spin Spin Spin...
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Nov 23, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
CJ said
the day after game 5 that if he was to come back, someone needed to tell Nolan to step up to the plate. I had taken it from his comments that morning that CJ felt it was Nolan that didn’t want him back.
i don't think it's that JD doesn't like CJ
i just think he thinks that the incremental salary of CJ’s (over his replacement) is better spent elsewhere because CJ’s incremental production (over his replacement) is not as great.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
So much for the Evan Grant = Josey Wales theory.
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Nov 23, 2011 10:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was really tough on EG for his stance with CJ...I thought it was unprofessional.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 23, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Have you ever considered that they just don't want to overpay CJ in a weak SP free agent market?
Perhaps they would rather roll with this rotation this season and sign a younger FA in 2013 (Danks, Greinke, Hamels)…maybe they believe Perez will be ready in 2013….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 23, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
I believe they don't want to overpay CJ in a weak SP free agent market.
That’s why you don’t fuck around like they did last off-season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 23, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
In hindsight, you are correct. Looking forward in the moment last year, it's hard to argue
that giving CJ a contract approaching Weaver’s would’ve been a sane approach. There was too much unknown at the time.
To quote Nate Silver from one of his greatest 538 entries on how to predict things:
These models are not that good, so my view is that if you’re going to build one, it ought to have a nice wide confidence interval that is designed to apply in the real world and not just in the software package.
A wide confidence interval last off-season certainly would’ve contained the possibility of CJ falling flat on his face this year as well as the very good year he had. If the Rangers couldn’t afford the financial hit from CJ falling flat on his face, then they made the right choice last offseason to not go big on CJ.
This season moves the lower bound of that confidence interval up. It doesn’t seem at all likely that CJ will ever fall flat on his face. It makes sense to go big, but the question is whether he is now out of the Rangers range for a 1B to 2.
This is a delicate situation for the Rangers. They need CJ. They really do need him to maintain their position as the Division favorite. They really need CJ and Darvish to be head and shoulders above the Division going into the season. But, they also have a plan in place to get to a revenue standing that will support a 130-140M payroll, and they are not to that point. They can’t just beat the market on whatever player they would like to have.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
Are you ever going to change the 82 Brewers part?
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I hope so.
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lol
I was expecting it to be more like 90s Indians or something else
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Fine. Let's play this game.
You say it didn’t seem like JD liked CJ and that JD misplayed this. We have no idea what JD thinks of him but that’s cool for this exercise.
Who is more responsible for CJ getting away? JD or Nolan? Nolan is team pres, a part owner so he’s partly responsible for paying CJ’s salary and a hall of fame pitcher so I’m guessing he knows something about pitching and pitchers. Or is this all JDs call as you allude?
If you think this is all JD then I guess all the “massive change” talk can go fuck itself. This is an instance where Nolan should have his fingerprints all over it. Nolan will be the guy that dropped the ball. If this is instead JDs call then he has a lot more to do with the overall success of the franchise than you give him credit for. You can’t have it both ways.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Nov 23, 2011 2:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who is the GM of the team?
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Straight up trolling
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by TheDutchOven on Nov 23, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
CBA Question
I’m seeing a lot of commentary as to how the new CBA will harm small market, low payroll teams by preventing them from offering a lot of money (but still less than a Free Agent MLBer would require) to amateur prospects in the form of bonuses above slot and to international prospects.
International prospects aside, I don’t think I get the same read on the end result for the amateur draft.
Say Pittsburgh gets the #1 pick this year. They like a kid that many other teams like. They are prohibited from offering him, say, a 7 million dollar total that would lock him into a signature. But they pick him anyway and offer him the slot price (or just barely above).
Does the kid not sign? Choose to go to school? Choose to go to a second-sport (how many 2-sport stars are there nowadays)? If he chooses not to sign/ go to school, then he enters the draft again next time around, yes? If he’s good enough to merit a #1 selection… so what? The next year, whoever has that #1 can only offer him slot or just above, yes? It doesn’t matter if it’s the Yankees, Rangers, or Royals.
So my conclusion is that the kid either quits playing baseball in favor of some other, more lucrative sport – the possibility of which I’m willing to admit, but which still seems unlikely – or signs anyway.
International issues are more concerning to me. But can anyone tell me why this crushes small market teams on the amateur draft side? Where’d I go wrong?
The "choose to go a second-sport"
Is a big one. The Royals picked Bubba Starling in the first round this year. He had a commitment to go play football at Nebraska. If he can’t get the money he wants in baseball… he’s going to college and play football.
The bigger concern is the international limit to me. Those kids are all going to go play soccer now.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
What percentage of high draft picks have that option, though?
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
Probably more of the truly elite guys than you'd think.
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by Aqua on Nov 23, 2011 11:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm really curious to see how the amateur players and their agents handle it
It seems to me like you won’t be able to waffle on whether you’ll sign, or not, anymore.
If you are a questionable signing, a team won’t pick you. They can’t afford to bribe you to stay, anymore.
Exceptions:
I wonder if there will be the ability for a Strasburg-level player to say, I’m going to bust your draft budget open… cost you luxury tax… and cost you a 1st and 2nd round pick.
That might force them to a team like the Yankees or Red Sox
Exactly.
Teams that never wanted to go over-slot now have cover not to do so, but teams that did have now had their ability taken away. So demanding over-slot just means teams won’t pick you at all. And if you fall, you are guaranteed to lose money.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
by Aqua on Nov 23, 2011 11:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder if the new rookie contracts restrictions in the NFL will level that playing field out
Say a HS prep star who is picked mid first round. They could either take the 1.5 mil bonus (pure rough guess) and start playing pro ball on a road to the majors or go to college and play 3 years of college football hoping hes good enough to be a top 1st round pick and then only get a marginal bump in bonus.
Add in the shortened career span of NFL as opposed to MLB players and I think we are going to see more and more 2 sport stars picking other sports besides football
That may be true
But these developments certainly don’t help that situation. Baseball could have more easily reaped the rewards of what you’re talking about by leaving the system alone and letting teams that want to pay those guys pay them.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
It's deeper than that.
How many kids will spend more time as a 14 year old dedicated to another sport and not hone their skills because the big pay days aren’t as immediate or prevalent?
I’m not saying all will… but if you begin a trend of 2-3% of kids thinking a different way, it has a long term impact on the talent level in your sport.
You want to GROW the talent pool… not shrink it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Nov 23, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
eh
I doubt it’ll affect that many. It isn’t like college football is looking more profitable daily; the nfl is tightening the rookie Salary pool.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Nov 23, 2011 11:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
good point on the NFL rookie salaries
I wonder if that helped the MLB be less afraid of the impact.
by Jobu. on Nov 23, 2011 12:06 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
The 2% was thinking about all the kids that will spend more time playing soccer
Internationally
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The money he wants is also based on the system in play.
If he can still get 5 mil in this new system why wouldn’t he sign?
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$3-5M guaranteed
Is still a lot more than risking his health in football. Plus, you can always go back to school and play football if baseball doesn’t work out later.
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 23, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
It's hardly that easy.
Especially if you want to play the second sport successfully as a pro.
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by Aqua on Nov 23, 2011 11:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It helps that the bonus ranges are based upon historical signing bonuses rather than
the slot recommendations MLB put into place.
Where small market teams get penalized in the amateur draft is the signing pool they are allotted. I haven’t seen all of the details, but here are some of the low points:
The range of the Signing Bonus Pool is from $4.5 million-$11.5 million.
The more picks a club has, the larger the pool becomes that the club will have to work with.
The size of the pools will standardize more from club to club after next year’s class of free agents.
The size of the pools will be dependent on the number of picks a club has in a given year and where those picks fall within each round. A club with the first pick of the Draft will have the largest pool.
Here are some thoughts from BA on this.
And, here is BA’s assessment that aligns with the main complaint I have:
This change is a blow to teams like the Pirates and Royals, who don’t have the money to chase prime big league free agents but can afford to outspend anyone in the draft. Pittsburgh paid a draft-record $17 million in bonuses last year, and the new system means they’d incur a penalty unless they didn’t give $5 million to second-rounder Josh Bell and find another $2 million to trim. Kansas City couldn’t have given $1.5 million to third-rounder Bryan Brickhouse and $575,000 or more to seven other non-first-rounders without a hefty tax bill and the loss of two future first-round selections.
It’s also easier for wealthier, more successful teams to swallow a penalty by paying the bill and giving up lower first-round picks than it is for other clubs, who would surrender more valuable choices.
Basically, the Royals can choose either a really high-end guy or a bunch of high-talent, long-development types, but they can’t choose multiple high-end guys.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
spread the wealth...
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Nov 23, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Actually, I think this is Bud finally instituing the intent of contraction, which is
to move franchises out of small revenue markets.
Prospects and low-budgets are a rallying cry for the Royals, Rays, Pirates, Brewers. It will be interesting to see which of these small-ish to small markets can survive when money HAS to be spent on FA MLers.
I’ve posted in a couple of other places that I think Bud’s plan is to grow revenue by moving out of small revenue markets. He couldn’t get contraction, and now he’s got a system in place that discourages small market teams.
I hate Bud so much.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The draft changes, while stupid, are not nearly as stupid as the international changes
They just clubbed Dominican and Venezualan baseball like a baby seal.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
by Aqua on Nov 23, 2011 11:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
See I dont think they did
The top guys are still going to get paid millions of dollars.
What it does though is it puts a emphasis on all teams to enhance their scouting and identifying those 2nd and 3rd tier players down there. The Rangers have had success at those levels the last few years while also splurging on big guys as well.
It effectively eliminates one or two teams from grabbing the top guys but I dont think its going to have the serious reprocussions the initial shock led people to believe
Blatant appeal to authority following
But every knowledgeable observer I’ve read so far of international prospects says this was just about the worst of MLB’s available options. Ben Badler knows what he’s talking about in international baseball, and he abhors what has happened.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
We'll see how much this actually hurts those kids
Yeah the initial shock of the new terms made it seem like international prospects are getting shafted but after taking a step back it seems at least that its not going to substantially affect them. Its going to spread around the top talent and allow teams that put more emphasis on scouting find those 2nd and 3rd tier guys and sign them for 50-100K still.
So, if the Rangers don't make a big Free Agent signing (CJ, Yu, Prince, or Albert)
do we see new contracts for some guys instead this winter? Josh? Naps? Elvis?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I'd like to see a Naps extension
and Elvis would be nice, but no thanks to Hamilton. I want no part of that injury history for the money it will cost.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
heh, just saw Newberg's note:
Jon Heyman (Sports Illustrated) wouldn’t rule Texas out on Pujols or Fielder, though, noting that last winter’s Adrian Beltre signing came late (and out of nowhere). Heyman believes, however, that the Rangers’ current focus is "to try to lock up Josh Hamilton."
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
that's where I think Heyman
contradicts himself in his own post. you don’t know the team’s focus. Even though, they claim right now that it is the bullpen.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I am big time on board of not re-signing Josh
as much as it would suck to see him go. No telling what he’ll be after the surgery and I think he’ll command a lot going forward. I
sorry that should say
I am big time on board of not re-signing Josh not re-signing Josh next off-season next season. I am willing to gamble re-signing him now, because I am willing to play wait and see. I can deal w/ the pain of a possible bad deal better that wouldn’t suck as much as it would suck to see him go.
Just depends on the cost
If we can sign a very team friendly extension, I’d be excited about it. If he’s trying to mirror what he could get in FA, I’m not even a bit interested.
Would you sign him right now for 4/60?
Bigger question….would he take it?
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 23, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
No and no.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
I'd sign him for 4/60, sure
I don’t think he takes that, though.
If we’re intent on not signing Pujols, there isn’t a good Hamilton replacement available for the foreseeable future.
Regardless of risks of Hamilton, he’s a plus-defender and baserunner, and his last 2 injury-filled seasons have still resulted in 8.5 WAR and 4.2 WAR.
I think they're signing Fielder....
Hamilton re-signing will be a moot issue…..
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 23, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I'm really hoping that's what they do
That way they have both next season, and someone going forward. Even though Fielder has his own set of concerns going foward.
And I hate to say it because I absolutely love Josh and what
he’s done for the organization and would hate to see him go.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 23, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I truly hope so.
Fielder is the exact thing I want this off season.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Nov 23, 2011 2:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No way he would take it
I’d do it in a heartbeat though
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
Really? How much do you think Hamilton will get on the open market?
He’s already getting $12 mil (I believe) and if he returns to 2010 form………….oh, boy………
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 23, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Indeed....like I said yesterday, I expect a big season out of Hammy since he will be healthy and playing for a contract...
BTW…What’s up, hateball? Good to see you stuck around….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 23, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Napoli and Kinsler is my hope.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
5 years, $75m is a good price.
4 years, $60m with a $15m option is a better price.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I go 5/$80
and probably 5/$85, but I’m a CJ fan, so some bias is expected.
I would agree with most that based simply on statistics and what we could normally expect from someone his age, experience, etc. that 5/$75 should be the deal, but I do think his unreal health/workout plans make him somewhat of an outlier.
I'm with you.
I’m guessing the Rangers bow out if the 5th year has to be guaranteed, which, to me, suggests it is inevitable that they let him go, because I think he’ll get that 5th year.
I wouldn’t quibble with the Rangers decision if they gave him a 5/85 contract, all of it guaranteed. I would be ecstatic if it were 4/70 with a 5th yr option in the 18-20 range.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
But I am being hopeful
I think the Rangers are planning for life w/o him. I also think the Angels of Lower Manhattan,West Texas,South Central CA are pulling a Yankees move by engaging in talks w/ him.
Agreed....he'll get a 5th year....
I’m hoping that won’t be the difference, though….5/85 is Weaver money and, as has been discussed, CJ’s no Weaver. I think it comes down to how much they trust this rotation. I think JD is comfortable rolling with this rotation into next year…if he can get CJ at 4/60, great…if not, they are gonna roll with this rotation and probably look at getting someone at the trade deadline to counteract a potential Feliz downturn like Ogando had in the 2nd half.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 23, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not all that comfortable with this rotation. I think Feliz will likely need to start out in AAA.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
Or $75,000,036?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I'd sign him for 5/$80.
5/$75 isn’t my final offer… but it is a good price for him.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
the 5th year as an option is what I like
it’s also what I bet the Rangers FO likes.
But it only takes one team to guarantee that 5th year… and only one other team to offer a 6th year as an option.
by elvis1isking on Nov 23, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
One way to get around that situation is to offer a signing bonus.
If you offer a $10 million signing bonus, then 4 years at $60 million, and an option year (hopefully performance based) of $15 million, that front loads the contract, and possibly gets the Rangers out of a fifth year if he doesn’t meet performance values.
That’s what I liked about the Phillies contract with Lee last year, some really difficult to obtain performance standards to activate the fifth year. The problem always is with somebody in their 30s is how well will they perform five years down the road. If they are doing well in the fourth year, no problem on their fifth year. If they are terrible in the fourth year, the fifth year has to hurt!
That sentence makes mah brain hurt.
5/$75
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the Weaver deal
I know Weaver gave a discount and wasn’t on the open market, but he’s also better than Wilson.
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that league must fucking suck
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Nov 23, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
I think of Arias as a poor man's Chris Davis
Rakess against minor league pitching, as much as stick thin utility infielder can, but hits a wall when he’s facing the big boys.
No offense to Chris. Rooting for you big guy.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
by Buttermaker on Nov 23, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Arias is my least favorite texas ranger of all time.. and thats an easy one.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Nov 23, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
he was
but I never want to see German ever again. It was bewilderment with Arias, but German boils up anger in me.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
i remember that german game where he went 5-5.. and made a badass defensive play at 3rd
but seeing freakin esteban german get at bats in the world series made rage.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Nov 23, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
my god that league is terrible
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
What's his line?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
"...and boy are my arms tired."?
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
ACTA Sports "Things to be thankful for"
24 – That is the number of different teams, out of 30 total MLB franchises, that have reached the playoffs in the last 10 years dating back to 2002. Furthermore, there have been eight different World Series champions in those 10 years. While there may be some degree of luck involved in getting through the playoffs and winning the World Series, it is an impressive accomplishment to sustain success over the 162-game regular season to make the playoffs. That level of parity is a reason that every fan should feel hopeful that their team could very easily become the next great contender. Even Cubs fans have reason to hope!
Wow.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Well thankfully the new CBA will make sure we get more parity
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
Just throwing an idea out there...
Is it a possible strategy for the Rangers (or another team) to decide to forfeit the 2 first rounders and pay the tax and sign all of the over slot guys one year? Let Boras and a couple other influential agents know your intentions, have them get a couple of their high talent guys fall to you in the first however many rounds. It comes down whether you could get 4 or 5 high bonus high talent guys that would make up for the 4-5 singable guys you would’ve gotten in those slots, plus the 2 first round picks forfeitted plus the tax. Certain years it seems this might be a feasible option, especially when the first rounders will most likely be late first round.
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Nov 23, 2011 10:54 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Yes, it is (though moreso for the Yankees)
But ooooooohh boy is selig gonna rage when it happens
by Parker20 on Nov 23, 2011 11:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Guys won't fall like they used to because signability isn't as big of an issue with pseudo hard-slotting.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
by Aqua on Nov 23, 2011 11:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
that's why the agent needs to be in the loop with the plan...
think of Purke a few years ago, a top 10 talent but not top 3? Have his agent tell everyone he’s only signing for top 3 money, if not he’s going to TCU. No one would pick him because of the pseudo-hard slotting, which means a team willing to “break the rules” could pick him in the 12th round and say screw next years draft picks we’re paying him, and 3 or 4 other guys like him.
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Nov 23, 2011 11:50 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
or, they might could choose to pick him
And just pick 10th rd guys with their 2nd-4th picks, for instance— which have a lower chance of turning out, anyway
by Jobu. on Nov 23, 2011 11:53 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Pretty sure MLB would see through the master plan when guys started falling and getting scooped up
Void the deals, and then still dock the picks.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
by Aqua on Nov 23, 2011 11:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Based on Profar's picture
I’m pretty sure he stayed across the hall from me at the Windmill suites two spring trainings ago.
If you ever do go to Spring training, I recommend that place, it’s where the cooky lady and a few Rangers and a lot of the young minor leaguers stay. FYI, be nice to the cookie lady, she usually has the inside scoop on who’s going to be at the A and B games, and being next to her improves your getting an autograph chances. The players love her.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
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