This Day in LSB History
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 3, 2011 10:30 AM CDT
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PrintOne year ago today, Adrian Beltre declined the player option on his contract with the Boston Red Sox, becoming a free agent.
I looked at the pluses and minuses with Beltre, and wrote that I thought the Rangers would have some interest in them, but concluded:
It may be that someone is willing to give Beltre ridiculous money, something like 6 years at $90 million, and the Rangers won't have to worry about making a decision on him.
So, yeah...the Rangers gave him a 6 year, $96 million deal (although the sixth year is voidable if Beltre doesn't hit certain plate appearance totals). Whiff there for me.
But there's a lot of interesting discussion at the time (400+ comments) about whether Beltre would be an appropriate target for the Rangers...
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Best comment from Beltre thread one year ago
By 2013, after all the Beltre-replaces-MY-@-3rd drama has faded away …
MY’s rep would soar with the nat’l media about how unselfish he was moving first from SS to 3rd, then 3rd to DH all for the good of the team.
“Don’t let them do this to you.”
by shroomer on Nov 3, 2010 2:32 PM CDT
by Agreen07 on Nov 3, 2011 10:47 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
There's some good predictions in that thread.
He will demand a trade.
And nobody will do it so he’ll fall in line like he did last time.
by TXHC
Heh
I’m looking forward to
Elvis rubbing Beltre’s head.
by bhudson
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
Adrian Beltre is awesome.
Not mediocre. Right about average
A truer statement there has never been.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I remember LL talking about how much Ranger fans will enjoy Beltre playing on their team.
Now I really understand where they’re coming from.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
yup, quickly he's become one of my favorite players on the team
whats not to like ?
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
So far, I'm gonna have to file Beltre under "worth it."
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One of my favorite questions...
Per catcher…
Would anybody do Nelson Cruz for Daric Barton & Kurt Suzuki?
“Dying ain’t hard. It’s living that’s hard.”
“The Influence continues.” Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I bet he still makes that trade.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
My Grade for JW this year is a D-.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
by AceJC on Nov 3, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
But I told you Judy couldn't cut it in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That's why it's not an F.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
by AceJC on Nov 3, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Swing and a big miss although those of you led around the nose by the deeply flawed WAR
would see Suzuki put up a 2.2 while Cruz had a 1.6.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'm not saying it was a bad idea.
Just interesting. At the time reasonable… Barton fell off a cliff though.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Didn't see Barton falling off a cliff and that was before Veet was signed (I believe)
and Frankie was traded for Napoli.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
If you can only extend one of Josh or Cruz...who do you extend and for how much / how long?
And don’t give me one of those bullshit AJM tries to sign Napoli for 3/25 offers…you have to make an offer that one of them will sign.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Probably neither.
I think Josh will cost well north of $100m and I don’t want to pay that to a guy his age with his injury history and only one great year under his belt.
If I could get Josh for Beltre money… I’d be more interested.
Cruz should be cheaper… but power is always expensive. And his leg muscles are made from silly string apparently.
I’d probably let Cruz walk no matter. He’s got all the same worries that Hamilton does without being as talented.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Josh has had a very good year, a great year, a good year and two injury-plagued years.
One of those years in Cincy, he was a rookie and they were still trying to figure out what to do with him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I agree with that.
But as an example… Fielder has had three great years in his career… and he’s younger.
I don’t think you can expect great from Josh… you can expect good and hope you don’t get a shitty one.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Cruz
2 arb years left and I only want 1 FA year with options for 1-2 more
3 year/ 30 million dollar deal base
2012: 7 mil
2013: 9.5 mil
2014: 13.5 mil
club options for 2015 and 2016 at 15 mil each (1 mil buyout each year) and each can vest at certain plate appearance levels
Agreed
I love Cruz but I’m not sure I’m really going to want him after 2014 (age 35). For $15 per year, I imagine we could sign a pretty salty COF in his 20’s.
by Sherman McCoy on Nov 3, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Nelson was really hurt by his .312 OBP and FG/UZR didn't like his fielding this year.
Nelson had a really weird season last year.
I like this:
You think young is really gonna care?
He knows hes not a good 3B, and he will take his $16 mil to the bank all day.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
Beltre only hits in contract years.
Glad we dodged that bullet.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
by Aqua on Nov 3, 2011 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, there's a halfway decent argument that he got unlucky in a non-contract year again:
2011 BABIP: .273
Career BABIP: .292
2011 LD%: 18.1%
But, then again, considering he was just a hamstring injury away from putting up consecutive 7.0 WAR seasons….
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 3, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Ninja proved me wrong by landing Napoli
I think it’s obvious that he’s the best non-pitcher we could get to improve our team
But I don’t think there’s much of a chance that it happens.
by Jobu. on Nov 3, 2010 5:03 PM EDT actions
heh
he proved you wrong on both fronts. a) being Beltre would be the best non-pitcher he could get to improve this team and b) that he would get Beltre
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
but who am i to talk, i'm an idiot
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
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