Wednesday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2011 8:28 AM CST
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You wanted the Rangers to go get an ace? The Rangers got themselves an ace.
Of course, it is someone who hasn't been an ace in ten years, and who will be a special assistant to the general manager rather than pitching for the team, but still...
T.R. Sullivan has a story on Greg Maddux, who says that his main role will be to assist his brother, Rangers pitching coach Mike Maddux, in working with pitchers at the major league and minor league levels.
Jeff Wilson's notes talk about the addition of Greg Maddux and Thad Levine being granted permission to interview with the Houston Astros.
Sullivan has a story about Jon Daniels' plans for the offseason, with the gist of it being, Daniels plays his cards close to the vest, and no one outside of his immediate front office circle really knows what the Rangers' plans are right now.
Richard Durrett talks about the possibility of the Rangers trading for Matt Garza. Bruce Levine wrote yesterday that the Cubs may be willing to part with Garza, although he says they'd want "four or five" players back in exchange for him.
Last offseason, the Rangers reportedly offered Derek Holland, Engel Beltre, Frank Francisco, and Robinson Chirinos (who the Rangers would get from the Cubs as part of a separate deal) to Tampa for Garza.
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I don't want any part of Garza at that price.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2011 8:30 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'd give the Cubs that
Engel Beltre, Chad Tracy, Joey Butler, and the ghost of Joaquin Arias.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I'll take Holland and Napoli, thank you very much.
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 8:31 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Our pitchers are so lucky
What would be better than working with Nolan Ryan and the Maddux Brothers (sounds like a bad name)?
Would the plural be "Maddii"?
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 30, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
because of how secretive and ninja like JD is...
would there be a bigger effect on our front office if someone on the inside like thad left and became the GM at Houston? Potential for leaked information to other teams? Or swooping in and taking potential trade targets that we have lined up. Is there any sort of precedent for things like that?
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Nov 30, 2011 8:39 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Well for that to happen...
The Astros would need a farm system.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
I doubt Levine would leave and promptly tell every other team the Rangers' secrets
That would be a good way to get a really bad reputation in the game.
As for swooping in and taking potential trade targets, the Astros are a 100+ loss team in complete overhaul mode, and the Rangers are trying to get to the World Series again. They shouldn’t be targeting the same things.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
that makes sense...
another thought I had yesterday was who should we be rooting for to land the Gm job in Houston if it for sure going to be Friedman or Levine. Friedman has proven capable of turning a franchise around and into a winner, so it seems like a guy we would want far away from a top position with our new division rivals. But losing Levine would hurt our front office, and I think we all expect him to be a pretty good GM, just perhaps not on the same level as Friedman, at least not right away.
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Nov 30, 2011 8:57 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
If either one ends up in Houston its going to be good for that franchise
But no matter who it is its going to take them quite some time to get it back to a contending team. Especially now moving to the AL and specifically this division where besides TEX they have to face LA which, regardless of our hate for them, have been perennial contenders for most of this century and are in much better shape than HOU currently is both short and long term.
The normal thought when losing a member of the FO to another team as their new GM is that that person has close knowledge of our system and knows our minor leaguers better than anyone else. But since Houston is now in our division and a rival its not like we are going to be trading very much with them anyway so Levine wont have the opportunity to use his knowledge of the system to hurt us much.
I'd be shocked if Thadwick would get the nod over Friedman.
Not hatred towards Brice Cummings, it’s just that Friedman was an actual GM who took a cellar dweller to the World Series and went thru the AL East to do it.
I think Friedman may be THE best GM in the game.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
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There is no more than a “10 percent” chance that Rays GM Andrew Friedman could be convinced to take the Astros GM job according to one executive that spoke to Friedman and ESPN’s Jayson Stark (Twitter link).
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
The worry is not that Levine would get the nod over Friedman
but that Friedman will listen to the offer and they just stay in Tampa, then Houston would turn to Levine.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
i would do pearings if Levine left for fucking houston
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
The only way it affects the secretive nature of the FO is if the person they bring in to replace starts leaking stuff
And given how well the system has worked in the past I would bet that anyone who was brought in is well aware of the way things work and if info starts leaking out I would suspect that person to be dealt with quickly and harshly
Does anyone else think that Durrett's opinion on acquiring
Garza is out there a bit far? After reading it I was left with the impression that his proposal was crazy. But the more I thought about it the less crazy it became.
What if… the Rangers cough up a package like Harrison, Moreland, Perez and two other prospects. Then follow that up with the FA signing of Fielder?? It would be an ALL IN move for the coming year or two.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Seems like too much for Garza
Is the difference between Harrison and Garza worth Moreland and Perez plus a couple lesser prospects? I don’t think it is.
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
Agreed.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
No thank you on Garza.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Is it Garza you don't want or is the price too high?
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
I agree and have argued with this logic
yet, the org has claimed it’s still primarily concerned with acquiring pitching, at this point.
With the logic, it isn’t going to make sense to acquire anyone short of Zach Greinke…
or alternatively, I wonder if the club is down on Ogando…
or alternatively, is the club looking to acquire a back-end rotation guy?
(just thinking)
I don't think the rangers are looking for back of the rotation pitchers.
I believe they have pitching depth and are looking for someine to take the ball in game one of a palyoff series.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
I don't see why we should get back of the end, either
I wouldn’t mind a Dave Bush-esque pitcher that would be okay with pitching in AAA for us.
I fully expect a NRI from JD again this year as insurance.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
I hope they're not looking for back of the rotation pitchers because
they’re about to lose a stud 1-2 type who could survive in Texas.
If you’re really serious about cutting Josh loose after 2012 (for draft picks?!?!?!?), you need to go all in this next year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I don't understand the "(for draft picks?!?!?!?)" part
You act like if people don’t want to re-sign Josh because they’d rather have draft picks than Josh.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have Josh than 2 draft picks because that
gives us a better chance of winning after 2012.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Unfortunately, the decision isn't just whether or not you want draft picks or Hamilton
And things like money play a huge factor in it.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Only because we overpaid for Beltre
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
If he puts up 4 more years resembling last year we didn't
At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.
by TargetField on Nov 30, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Hell, if he puts up 3 years resembling last year we didn't
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Whoosh
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
We didn't overpay for Beltre if we win a championship
and he plays a big part in it happening.
If signing Beltre means we don’t sign CJ or Josh and we don’t win it all, it’s a bad signing to a ridiculous contract.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Best third baseman in baseball last year.
What more can you ask for?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Not to breakdown and miss nearly 40 games.
It’d also be nice if he didn’t wait until September to get his Road OPS above .700.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Nailed it.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Well... if he just took October off two years in a row he could have been an MVP candidate.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Duh.
A championship. We didn’t overpay if we win a championship (and if he’s a big a reason why). We overpaid if we don’t win a championship. Cup the balls of hindsight and play along.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
"Duh"
Not very becoming for a double majored liberal arts student, doncha think?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Nailed it.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I think the dispute
is over how much having Hamilton in 2012+ is worth, contract-wise….
not whether we’d rather have draft picks or Hamilton.
lol nuance
At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.
by TargetField on Nov 30, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
so you severly want to overpay hamilton then possibly crippling the team for years
it could happen….I like our financial situation but its not like they have bottomless wallets… i just dont want to pay for an always injured hamilton 20+ milllion a year.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
The choice isn't nearly so simple.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Oh, but it is...
it’s either Hamilton or 2 draft picks. Pick your side…NOW!
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Fair enough.
Correct me if I wrong but you are in the pro-Fielder signing camp right?
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
In the past I would be in the seat beside you leading that convoy.
Take into account two things. First I have been consistantly wrong in the past (I was so pro Zito siging Iit is embarassing.) Second I don’t think the Rangers do anything major this offseason.
I am probably wrong again this year and the Rangers do something big.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
I am just glad to be wrong on Zito now, and last year and the year before.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
I think that depends
Personally, I’m not all that confident in Ogando repeating his 2011 performance. If landing Garza means Ogando back to the pen, where he seems like he’d be better suited, I’d be on board with that.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
the innings would be valuable
It’s not wise to count on the starting 5 being as healthy as they were last season, or for Ogando to repeat his success, or for Feliz to be even average right away.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I have more confidence in Garza being a 3 WAR pitcher
than any guy currently on the Rangers staff. Holland would be my best guess as the Rangers pitcher that would do it, but Garza is probably a better bet
Considering all the questions surrounding the rotation, I’d say he offers more than a “marginal upgrade” to the current set of guys.
by elvis1isking on Nov 30, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
Oh i agree I think hes underrated by a lot on here and would be a really good pitcher for us if we got him
But I also think Colby will bounce back with a healthy 2012 and Holland and Harrison will continue taking steps in their development and improving.
I think Harrison is the most likely to have a 3 WAR year of our current starters.
His 2011 was pretty damn good.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
but his track record before that isn't
his SO/BB ratio worries me. Regressing his HR rate worries me.
I enjoyed his 2011 season very much. I’m not at all convinced about his ability to carry that forward for 2012.
by elvis1isking on Nov 30, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Oh me either.
But of our five starters I still think Harrison is the most likely to give you 3 WAR. They all have giant question marks.
I think Holland is the most likely to give you 4.5+ WAR
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm not too concerned about his HR rate
It might rise a bit, but he’s a GB pitcher who’s never been particularly HR prone. As long as he’s pitching effectively, I wouldn’t expect him to go back to his previous HR rates.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I would imagine the price is going to be very high and I think Garza may be
a tad overrated. FO types see his size and that arm and fall in love with him.
And then they want to trade his asap.
I want hard throwing LH pitchers with a track record of success if I’m coughing up top prospects.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
don't think Kershaw is available
so the Rangers shouldn’t try and improve their team otherwise?
by elvis1isking on Nov 30, 2011 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
Did I say that?
I just don’t want to give up a shit-load of prospects for Matt Fucking Garza
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I agree with this statement
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Ok once again im gonna need names
What hard throwing lefty with a track record of success would you cough up prospects for?
Liriano. Duh.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Just setting up his bitchfit for when CJ leaves.
That’s all he’s doing.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
yes, you constantly and consistently say that
you constantly and consistently post vaguely about what you want without any real examples.
Not talking about Kershaw? Fine. Who then? What hard throwing LH with a track record of success would you cough up top prospects for. And, who out of that list is available?
Given that your requirement probably isn’t available, does that mean the Rangers should not try to improve themselves? Or better yet, what is your offer to the Cubs for Garza?
by elvis1isking on Nov 30, 2011 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
Lester, Price, Kershaw, Hamels
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
None of those guys are available for trade
Not even close.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Then maybe you should have been a lot more serious
when it came to signing CJ a year ago.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Oh, I see. So its just another way to bitch about JD then
And here I thought you were trying to look at lefties with track records who could be top starters here. I guess you couldn’t find any that can be traded for.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I just listed LH starting pitchers.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
The question you were asked
What hard throwing LH with a track record of success would you cough up top prospects for. And, who out of that list is available?
Looks like you swung and missed. Its alright, happens to everybody.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I wonder if Hamels could be had via trade.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
ugh
just another attempt to shoehorn this in?
I’m done. Thought we were going to have an interesting baseball discussion. My mistake.
by elvis1isking on Nov 30, 2011 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
You're the one saying that I don't think the Rangers should improve themselves
and accused me of making vague statements.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
yep sure did
and was willing to have a conversation with you about trading for LH power arms with a track record of success.
Hamels is an interesting idea.
However, you couldn’t resist a chance to shoehorn your tired position about how you think JD handled the CJ contract. I have no interest in responding to that.
by elvis1isking on Nov 30, 2011 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
He fucked up the CJ contract. There is no doubt about that.
Now that CJ has hit the open market and proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that he can thrive and survive in Texas, JD doesn’t want to pay him and admit that he was wrong because he knows he could have had him much cheaper a year ago.
So now instead of paying CJ, we have to gut our system for another pitcher who may or may not be able to survive in Texas.
I’d rather pay CJ and keep the prospects for something else.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
There was no guarantee CJ was going to improve or even do as well.
You have the benefit of hindsight (and to be fair you called it before it happened too) but it was still very risky to commit $50+ million to a guy who only started one year and led the league in walks.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
and there certainly is no guarantee
Wilson will be as good as he was in 2011 again. And no guarantee he’ll be worth 5/$85 or so.
The Rangers would have been stupid to offer a huge contract before 2011 and Wilson would have been even stupider to take anything less than a huge contract right before he hits free agency in a year he was likely to the best starter on the market. Josey is the only one surprised by this.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
No he didn't fuck up the CJ situation
You can only say that using 20/20 hindsight
had he signed CJ to a 5 year 70-85 million dollar deal (what CJ was seeking I dont care if you would have offered 4/56) after 2010 you would have been on here ripping him for giving that much money to a unproven one year wonder when Josh is a FA after 2012.
There is significant doubt about that.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Nolan didn't want to resign CJ.
He is The Boss
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
You got it wrong.
Nolan took the wheel of the car and cleaned up the 2006-2008 mess in 2009.
Nolan took JD out of his car-seat after 2009 and gave him another chance.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
If it weren't for JD
Nolan wouldn’t have nearly the exposure he has now. Why? Because the team wouldn’t be any good.
2006-2008 is the skid mark in JD's
underwear that won’t go away.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Well... that Teixera deal is widely considered
One of the best deals by any GM in recent history.
I know you discount it because we gave up “a future HOF” (and maybe he will be) but you’re in the minority on that not being a big win for the Rangers considering the haul we got back.
That Josh deal worked out alright too.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
How old was Mark Teixeira when he
was acquired?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
By the Braves.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Did the Braves package a 30 year old guy
Who gets injured every year?
The point isn’t that you can’t get the guys you want… you just can’t trade a guy like Nelson Cruz at this point in his career to get them.
You have to give prospects… like the Braves did.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Did the Braves get younger with that move?
They traded a wave of all stars for a few months of Tex
by Jobu. on Nov 30, 2011 12:55 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Braves had a really deep system
and were so devastated by the trade they made that they were able to get back to the playoffs the same year the Rangers did.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Because the Braves are smart.
They know that you maintain success by having a strong farm system…
Just like we do now!
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I like how you say this
Less than a minute after you recognize two of his most genius moves that were made during those years.
by Jobu. on Nov 30, 2011 12:51 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
967 runs allowed, the most errors in
the AL, 8 losing year out of 9, dwindling attendance, fan apathy = not so much genius.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
They did really well after Nolan Ryan
cleaned up the mess and gave JD a mulligan.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Why are we blaming JD for things that happened before he ever got here?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
It's the same reason Nolan gets all the credit the minute he joined the FO.
Immediate actions create immediate results, ODB Master!
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
This is more like saying "Derek Holland isn't good, look at how Dave Burba pitched in 2001."
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
The first game that got me interested in baseball
was his complete game against Toronto.
/csb
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
JD wasn't THE problem.
He was part of the problem.
967 runs allowed was pretty much all on him though.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
A typically mindless response.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Because he was pitching? Or was he in the field?
Oh, those were his guys in there who were fielding and pitching?
Wait, none of that is true. I’m so confused how 967 runs was pretty much all on him.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
The architect, Ace.
2008 was the afterbirth of a lot of front office incompetence.
Let’s move forward because JD has done really well with his mulligan.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
2010 and 2011 were the birth of a lot of FO competence
with 2006-2008 being the awkward, sexual encounter with a really ugly girl.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I view 2006-2008 as a pair of underwear covered with skidmarks.
JD went commando in 2009 and has been very hygienic since Nolan gave him a new pair.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I think part of the reason you discount JD pre Nolan so much
You don’t give a shit about the farm system. It’s a vague concept for other people to worry about.
You know it’s important… but you don’t exactly follow how the sausage is made.
The work JD did to build up this farm system happened well before Nolan got here. And that was the groundwork for all of our success in 2009-2011.
I’m not saying Nolan had zero impact. I think he probably did help. I’m glad we have him.
But you’re underestimating how important getting good young talent was prior to Nolan.
A part of why those runs went down in 2009 was putting Elvis at SS. What did Nolan have to do with that?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Immediate actions create immediate results, number cruncher!!!
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I do give a shit about the farm system.
Our farm system was stocked when JD arrived.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Your definition of "stocked" and my definition of stocked
isn’t even close to the same, apparently.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Start with CJ, Danks, Feldman, Kinz, AG.
Who had more plumbs in their system in October 2005?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
plums, dumbass
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
According to BA
Half of the teams in baseball.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Which teams had players that actually contributed
in The Show that were better than Kinz, AG, CJ, Danks and Feldman?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Loaded questions are loaded.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Which team named the Rangers had players that played on a baseball field poorly in 2008?
See, JD sucks.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
which teams acquired
more players that helped them win since then?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Best question to ask.
Which team has been to the playoffs more times over the last two years than the Rangers?
Forget about 2006-2008. JD made mistakes and struggled. It isn’t 2006-2008. Move on.
Nolan gave JD a new pair of boxers.
Let’s move forward.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Ahhhh,
Josey has a new meme just in time for the holidays. How cute…
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 30, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
and JD gave Nolan a roster
stocked with talent.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
and at the start of 09?
Hamilton, Cruz, Elvis, Harrison, Feliz, … Yada yada yada
by Jobu. on Nov 30, 2011 1:19 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
which players in that stocked farm system
Contributed to our WS teams?
What about the prospects acquired by JD in 06-08?
by Jobu. on Nov 30, 2011 1:05 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Look at the rosters of
the 2010 and 2011 playoff teams. How many of those players were NOT acquired by Daniels?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
As are you with LSB.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Days like today...
…make me wonder why AJM doesn’t ban Josey permanently. Especially when he repeatedly calls people a dumbass. Really odd behavior by el heffe.
Didn't you call me Skip Bayless first?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Do you think being called Skip Bayless is an insult?
And if so, is it more or less offensive than being called a dumbass?
In his defense, calling him Skip Bayless
is pretty much calling him a dumbass.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Worse than that,
a lying sack of shit, cocksucking dumbass.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You behave EXACTLY like Skip Bayless
You spout opinions without any evidence or fact. You take opposing positions with ill-reasoned arguments based on pre-determined agendas. You beat the same drum over and over regardless of people’s counterpoints.
You ARE Skip Bayless. If that offends you, don’t blame me. Act differently.
Thanks, Sandusky.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
They were in the World Series the last two years.
So yes, it went away. And it went away because of JD’s shrewd moves.
You have it wrong.
Nolan is the Alpha and Omega in that front office.
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
I don't think this is an attempt to shoehorn an insult at JD
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 30, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
When I want to insult JD, I will.
I don’t need a shoehorn.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
And away we go........
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 30, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps the best and most timely post of the day!
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
CJ didn't fit your criteria a year ago
I want hard throwing LH pitchers with a track record of success
Hammels might be
he’d be an interesting guy to trade for.
by elvis1isking on Nov 30, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
So the discussion is back on?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
There is no way the Phillies are looking to trade Hamels
They’re all in right now, just like the Rangers.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I could see them dealing him for a younger starter and some offensive help
With Halladay and Lee locked up a 3rd ace is a luxury not a necessity. Losing a little going from Hamels to whoever they trade for could be made up for by who they acquire offensively
agreed
I could see a swap of Hamels for some ML offense.
Probably not a match with PHI if this is what they’re looking for, but still. It’s interesting.
by elvis1isking on Nov 30, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
maybe he means Jason Hammel from the Rockies
It would be foolish, but that could be who he’s talking about…
We'll see if we're all-in.
Losing CJ makes me wonder about that.
The off-season needs to unfold but I hate, hate, hate losing somebody like CJ.
He’s proven he can thrive and survive in this ballpark.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
All in isn't where I want the Rangers to be.
That means win or bust.
The Rangers are in the “win for a long time” mode. Not just “win right now”.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
They better get younger if they're truly in for a long time.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Signing Josh Hamilton and C.J. Wilson is the exact opposite of getting younger.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
funny how it works that way
keep Josh. keep CJ.
get younger!!
The Josey-Go-Round is fun.
by elvis1isking on Nov 30, 2011 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
You can keep CJ & Josh and still
get younger.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
You need to dangle Nellie Cruz
and some prospects.
It can be done.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
to get who?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
2 years of Nellie at his age and injury history
isn’t really that intruiging. Besides it would open up a hole that would have to be filled.
if you do trade Nellie what type of player are you targeting? Are you looking for a young guy with already a year or two of ML expereince or are you looking for a package of near ready ML prospects?
Players aged 24-28 years old
with a track record of success in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
what team will give that up
for an older player with a significant injury history?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I'll give you Justin Upton
but I want Nellie Cruz back!!!
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 30, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Ok
so let me ask you this. Serious question here.
Why would a team want to trade a player that fits that criteria for a player like Nellie + prospects?
Maybe they have a better prospect
that the 24-28 year old is blocking?
Maybe they feel like they need an upgrade in the OF or from their RH hitters?
Maybe they want to kill two birds…bring in a productive major league player AND upgrade their minor league system.
All Serious Answers.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Ok
I would like for you to go do some research and go find me a couple names that you believe could possibly be had, that fit your age bracket criteria, for Nelson Cruz + prospects.
Because just simply saying thats what we need to do isn’t good enough if nobody fits that bill.
There are lots of players who fit that bill
but I don’t feel like doing the research or guessing which players teams are willing to move.
It may be harder to acquire players aged 24-28 but it’s not impossible.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
So basically all you have is another vague theory
One which you will run into the ground yet not name any specific names in order to actually discuss.
Nothing vague...we discussed this the other day.
I’d talk to the Yankees about Gardner + stuff or to the Phillies about Hamels+ stuff.
Even though Cain is RH, I might talk to the Giants as well
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Oh hell no.
Cain in our park would suck.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And pretty much all the guys you spoke of the other day are terrible choices
Some dont fit your age criteria and the ones that did there is no reason for their team to move them except for possibly Markakis.
And Cain is like Hamels in that hes a FA after 2012 so unless you were locking him up long term (which is one reason to target young guys is for the guaranteed team control years at a low salary) you dont trade away much to get them.
I'd love to have Brett Gardner in Texas.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Brett Gardner is one of the Yankees best players
And the Yankees are a contender and he’s cheap. Why would they move him?
Why would the Angels give up Napoli?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Why would the Angels trade for Wells?
Some things can’t be explained…
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 30, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
But you're acting like it's impossible when it's not.
How old was Josh Hamilton when he was acquired?
How old was Nelson Cruz when he was acquired?
How old was Michael Young when he was acquired?
How old was Joey Bats when he was acquired?
How old was Andre Eithier when he was acquired?
Don’t be a dumbass…it’s not impossible or unrealistic.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
HAHAHAHA
Nelson Cruz wasn’t established. He bounced around in the minors for a couple more years before breaking on the scene. Let’s not forget you liked Teagarden and Boggs better than him.
Michael Young hadn’t sniffed the show.
Bautista was a journeyman
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 30, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe you live in a fantasy world
where magical things happen just because you think they should.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Do we get Kershaw in that world?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
you would be forced to get younger
because with those two salaries you’d limit your options.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
All in probably isn't the best way to describe the Rangers
I was more talking about how the only deals they’re going to be interested in is one that gives the team a better chance at winning a WS in the next couple of seasons. That doesn’t mean make stupid deals though, just not trading players for prospects or making deals that weaken the ML team.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Yeah, you've made that clear.
Move to something else.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
This isn't ODB...you're not wearing a badge.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, right.
You don’t have anything else.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
OH MY GOD
MARK IT DOWN if the rangers don’t re-sign ceej that means they have given up on the 2012 season everyone save your $$$ and don’t go out to RBIA this year
Give Me A Fuckin Break
"I always thought that there was going to be life after baseball, and so I designed that in my life I would have other interests after baseball that I would be able to step into. And I didn't realize the grip that baseball had on me and on my family."
Nolan Ryan
They haven't given up on 2012 but I don't know
who is out there that can replace him.
What was it, 210 IPs on the road with a 2.50ish ERA or somesuch?
And a pitcher who could also survive the hottest summer this place has ever seen?
He’s going to be very difficult to replace and this all could have been avoided.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Prove it
using actual cited or linked stories. No personal opinion is allowed. I’m grading you on a scale of 1-4 like the TAKS Test.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 30, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hit the showers, Woodcock.
By yourself.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Are you planning on coming in after me?
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 30, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Disagree...
He’s a FA after this year and the Phillies already have a lot of big contracts on their team going forward. I’m not sure they want to sign him to a huge deal as well.
That said, I wouldn’t part with too much because he’s probably going to be a rental.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
And the Rangers should try to improve themselves.
Letting go of CJ Wilson and then gutting your system for Matt Garza is not improving your team.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Matt Garza wouldn't "gut" our system.
We might have the deepest system in all of baseball.
Not that you actually follow those types of things.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Depends on the package.
You think we’re giving up Profar, Perez & Olt + ML Talent?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Perez for sure I would imagine
Then it depends on what Theo wants to do. If he wants low level high ceiling guys it could be something like Odor, Alfaro, and a couple pitching prospects
if he wants something closer to ML ready it may be like Olt, Matt West, Engel Beltre (remember he was with Boston when Theo gave him up in the Gagne deal and that was the big hangup until Theo relented)
I don't think either of those hurt a lot.
They are expensive… but it’s not like the cupboard would be bare afterwards.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I doubt Lester or Kershaw are available
Hamels is a FA after 2012 so any trade for a package of prospects would require a extension
And Price has been my darkhorse (no racist) for a guy we will trade for this winter for awhile now
What kind of package would you give up for Price?
I doubt Price is available
probably Shields, but I doubt Price.
be nice if he was though.
by elvis1isking on Nov 30, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Why would they deal Shields and not Price?
Shields is a known cost over the next 3 years at very reasonable, borderline cheap, prices.
Price has 4 years of arbitration in front of him likely starting at 5-7 mil this year and going up
For a team like TB that needs the cost certainty I dont see how Shields is more available than Price unless Price signs a long term deal this winter
But for a team like TB cost certainty plays a HUGE role
Difference in ability is negated by the uncertainty of how much Price will make over the next 4 years
I disagree that Shields is a TORP.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Price isn't getting $7 million as a first year arbitration case
He’ll probably come in at around $4 million.
Shields makes $7 million this year with options at $9 million and $12 million the next two years.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
this
and trading Shields opens payroll to extend Price (assuming he’s willing).
by elvis1isking on Nov 30, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
So you scoff haughtily
at this?
Northern Virginia's all time world champion Rangers fan of all time and all of Northern Virginia, and the rest of Virginia too. Mayor of Greatestfanville, Virginia.
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 30, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
4 million?
Way low IMO
Lincecum got 8 mil as a Super 2 at the same age. he had 2 CY Youngs and better numbers than Price theres no question but given that was 2 years ago and Price’s numbers aren’t that much worse than Lincecums to give him a little more than half
And that was with Lincecum asking for 13 mil
Giants offered 8 and they agreed on a 2 year deal. He likely would have gotten 9-10 as a one year deal unless he went to arb which he would then be guaranteed 8 at least
Why in the world would the Rays trade Price?
You keep going back to this.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
ive laid out my reasons and none of them are blasphemous
if you dont agree fine
I only think theres a small chance it would happen to begin with but i do believe he is a guy we should be targeting and one that could be a good fit for trade.
Yeah, the Rays are so broke that they'll trade away one of the best pitchers in baseball
so they can keep paying Shields. That’s pretty blasphemous.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
They aren't broke
But to a team like them cost certainty is a huge deal. Shields they know exactly how much hes going to cost for the next 3 years and if they want they can cut him loose at anytime.
Price is under team control for 4 more years and can also be cut loose at any time. but hes in line to probably make 7 million in this first year of arbitration and thats only going to go up from there.
Couple that with the bigger return you can expect from trading Price and I dont think its at all out of the question that hes available for the right price
Except the Rays want to win just as badly as we do.
And think that they can right now with Price on the staff. Since they won’t be signing a FA or getting near equal present value for Price, trading him would be doing significant damage to their team this year, which doesn’t make sense for them.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I dont think their shot at winning now goes out the window if they trade Price over Shields
It diminishes it some but the package you could get would also increase your chances of winning for the future more than a package Shields could bring you.
And looking at their club they aren’t in a “all in” type mode like they were seemingly in in 2010 when they had a couple key guys leaving in FA afterwards
Regardless of what they should do...
…Shields is the guy they are supposedly shopping, not Price.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with this
but i doubt price is untouchable (and yes I know that no one is truly untouchable but I think they would be open to discussing Price not just lip service)
Wow, I actually agree with you, it's shocking.
and I’m now a little worried about myself
Magic beans
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
price too high for me
I wouldn’t mind him being here
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Thanks and I think you are right.
Still there is a tiny bit of doubt and ’overpaying" for Garza whould not be a total shock.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
i wouldn't be surprised if they traded for him but would be kinda mad about the prospects given up
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Agreed...when I brought up a Garza trade a couple of weeks ago, someone correctly said
the Cubs are selling high on Garza….it would take too much to get him here.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 30, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
You have to give the Cubs credit for selling high.
That does not mean we have to pay the price if we don’t want to.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Oh...by all means....
I just don’t want the Rangers to be the team overpaying for him….I’d rather see the Yankees or Angels do that…..
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 30, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
Did the Royals get 4 or 5 prospects for Geinke?
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
A similar Rangers package is probably...
Martin, West, and Olt?
Something like that maybe? The Rangers don’t really have ML ready guys like Escobar, Cain, and Jeffress. Comparing might be impossible.
yeah it would be difficult
One reason we weren’t in position to get Greinke last year was we didn’t match up with them in terms of what they wanted
How small of a chance is there that the
Rangers go all in and trade Martin, Olt and West on the theory that they have another year or two and the younger prospects will be ready in two years?
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
what younger prospects would be ready in 2 years?
Profar maybe.
But if I am looking 2 years out to see who may be ML ready im not looking any lower than High A and thats only for the top top guys.
I think you are correct
I was left with the impression from Durrett that the difference that Garza brings to the rotation would be more important in the playoffs. After listing a sting of stats he finished the article with: "Still, if the Rangers want to look at pitchers who have the stuff to be a No. 1 or No. 2, Garza fits the bill. " I was just left wondering if Durrett was on to something here or just throwing stuff out there?
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Why would we give up all that
I wouldn’t expect more than a small gain (if any) in going from Harrison to Garza in the rotation
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
no reason to give up Perez at this point
unless it’s for a legit #1 that will be around for several more seasons. Garza isn’t that guy.
by elvis1isking on Nov 30, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Valentine
Bobby Valenrine to the Red Sox. Is that their best option to bring in a former Yankees/Rangers/D-Back manager. Did he manage anywhere else?
by Ryan2907 on Nov 30, 2011 9:05 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Mets
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
That was his main gig
Heh
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 9:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Don't forget the Marines
He’s like a demi-god in Japan or something
by Mantis Be Praised on Nov 30, 2011 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
I think this hire goes one of two ways...ends right away or Bobby V has a Stengel/Torre end
to his baseball career and knocks down multiple championships.
I’m a big fan of Bobby V – Watched him cut his teeth with the Dodgers (he was supposed to be the hot-shot can’t miss prospect from a great, great class) and listened to the game where he broke his leg with the Angels.
He’s also one of the most important men in the history of the Ranger franchise. This Thing was trying to die in the mid 80s and he breathed some life into it…that ’86 team was one of my faves.
Yeah, I know…csb.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I loved him when I was a kid.
Those late 80’s teams with Ruben and Inky…
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Oddibe, Scooter Fletcher, Booooshell, LP, Mitch, Mohorcic, O'Brien....I guess that '86 team was a fluke
but they were fun to watch.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Yep, they sure were.
I went to a lot of games in ’86…it was a fun year.
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Nov 30, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
i met him and got his autograph as a kid
cs,b
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I once broke into his house and watched him sleep
C-est S, B
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 10:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You are thinking of Buck Showalter.
Bobby Valentine never managed the Yankees or D-Backs. He only managed the Rangers, Mets, and the Chiba Lotte Marines.
Dude, 'retarded' is not the preferred nomenclature. "Asian-American", please. -jam0152
They both had ESPN gigs
BTW, Hershiser will be getting a AL east gig, soon.
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 10:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
do the Rangers have a Minor League Pitching Coordinator
or is that basically what Greg Maddux will be now?
I don't think Maddux is doing anything that time-consuming or formal
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
Maddox
will be like the Alec Baldwin character in Glengarry Glen Ross. “I’m here from Downtown…Put the coffee down…”
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
It's Maddux not Maddox
Why do people keep thinking it’s Maddox?
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Die hard fans of Tommy Maddox?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
If anyone suffers from obsessive-compulsive disorder, also known as OCD...
Try this exam…http://www.adaa.org/living-with-anxiety/ask-and-learn/screenings/screening-obsessive-compulsive-disorder-ocd
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
Heh.
That’s a good reply, I did laugh.
But seriously… it’s Maddux.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
We gonna be mad if the Angels give CJ $100 mil?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Yes
If he goes to the Angels, it better be for 120+ million
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
nope
we will laugh at them
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Mad??? no.
irritated but only because I will see him so often.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Napoli+Kins+Cruz=
CJs worst nightmare
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 10:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
CJ's pitched pretty well against good offenses.
I think you’re underrating CJ.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Our offense has also been shutdown by Brett Cecil.
Twice.
I know how good our offense is… but that doesn’t mean that we dominate every pitcher every time.
Can our offense do well against any pitcher? Absolutely… we have one of the best offenses in baseball.
But CJ has pitched well against the top offenses in baseball the past two years… so the other side of that is: Can CJ shutdown a top offense? Absolutely.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I still don't want to see a division rival
acquire such a good pitcher.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
This.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It would be hilarious if he absolutely sucked
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 10:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know why you're already rooting for failure on a guy who hasn't signed anywhere...
And has given this franchise several very good years.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He isn't rooting for failure.
He made a hypothetical comment about the humor in seeing the Angels overspend for another guy who ended up sucking. Lighten up Francis…
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 30, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not angry...
Just having a conversation. I’m far more Bill Murray anyway… maybe Harold Ramis. But I’m not that tall.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
What about Sgt. Hulka?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
This
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 10:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's not a choice for me to point these things out to you GFF. ;)
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Oh, shut up...
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 10:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I love CJ
I just think it would be funny if he did that for LAA… Because I hate LAA!
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 10:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think our rightys will crush him
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 10:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If you think that, it has nothing to do with CJ.
That means you think the Rangers will crush every pitcher no matter who it is.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That's not true
I think Kins and Naps have really good eyes and would fare well against him. There is that soft-tossing-lefty-first-time thing, though…
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 10:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Again... that has nothing to do with CJ
Kins and Naps really good eyes fare well against EVERYONE.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I realize that
But I feel like CJ wouldn’t fare well against them… His nibbling wouldn’t work.
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 10:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
No
It means our guys have seen him pitch for quite awhile and have a pretty good idea of what he throws. Our coaches know more about him than anyone else. And our hitters generally do well against leftys especially ones that throw hard. we have a few guys who wouldn’t bite at his nibbling. just because we think Cj would be a good matchup for our offense doesn’t mean we think we will crush every pitcher
CJ doesn't throw that hard.
And he also knows our hitters…
He’s the type of pitcher we generally have a harder time crushing because his weakness are hitters who work the count and get walks off of him… which we don’t do.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Kins and Naps do...
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 10:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I will be for like two years
And that will be about it.
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 10:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'll burn my CJ jersey.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Matt Thornton
I’m getting a little more intrigued about him if he’s available. That 32% career K rate vs. lefties is sexy, and his numbers against righties are decent as well. One way to reduce the impact of a high variability rotation is to stack the bullpen. He’s expensive, guaranteed $12M over the next two years, but adding him to the late innings mix would be exciting.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I wouldn't be opposed to that move at all provided Chicago doesn't try to bend us over a barrel.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Are we getting money back?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You'd have to
to give up that much.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Dont know
We gave up Erlin and Weiland for 1.5 years of Adams who we will owe probably 6 mil to over that time
So I think a upper level near ML ready pitcher and a low level lotto ticket is probably a decent match
We may get a couple million to offset 2013’s cost
maybe, hard to say
but $6M over a year and a half is a lot less than $12M. For Ramirez and Odor, off the top of my head without using any of the value estimators out there, I’d want a little salary back.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Yeah thats why i say maybe a couple mil to offset 2013
but the extra 4 mil or so would be what we would have to pay to have him for a full two years rather than 1 year and a couple months like with Adams
Don't you think Thornton ~ Adams?
If so, NeRa for him seems about right.
I’d certainly try to push Chi towards a package of 3/4 lower level guys that we have so many of.
e.g., Sardinas, Odor & Buckel
by Jobu. on Nov 30, 2011 12:44 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Hell no.
Why would we trade a starter who is close to being ready for a bullpen arm?
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 30, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Absolutely not
Not given the fact that he’s 35 and is owed $12 million over two years.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
What if they pay half of that?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't see why you'd trade NeRa for Thornton
If Ramirez is as good as people say he is, why trade him for an old, expensive reliever? The Rangers already have a good bullpen.
I’d rather kill two with one stone by trading Ramirez and another prospect to get a starter and move Ogando/Feliz back to the bullpen.
Then go find a better deal
Thornton isn’t nearly what I’d hope to get for a guy of Ramirez’s talent and potential.
thats fine
But I think thats the type of talent you have to give up to get a guy of his skill
Unless they are just doing a salary dump in which case you can probably get him for pretty cheap although if that was the case we would have probably heard more rumors about him
I don't think the Rangers need a guy like Thornton
Would he help? Is he an improvement on the options the Rangers have available? Yes.
Is he what the Rangers need to use their best available resources for? No.
What they can really use is long-term upgrades in the rotation, outfield, and at first base. Go get it.
Well
As it stands right now we have 4 guys in our “rotation” who are all under team control for at least 3 years.
We have 2 SP prospects in AAA so one of them is excess. Granted there will be injuries and there are question marks surrounding a couple of those guys already in the rotation but I think a guy like NeRa is a perfect guy we could trade without it really harming us too much.
Whether we should trade him for Thornton or not is another question
I kinda agree.
I think NeRa is a bit too expensive…
But at the same time… NeRa may flame out in AAA next year as well. It’s not like he’s a sure thing.
Erlin was more of a sure thing and a better prospect.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yes...
How about… Erlin had a higher floor than someone like NeRa.
I think before he was traded Erlin was the starting prospect closest to the majors.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think the White Sox may be looking for more salary relief than that
They have about a $110+ payroll after arb/rookies unless they deal Danks.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
age
forgot he was 35, yep, that’s a factor as well. Two years older than Adams and twice as expensive.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Seems kinda young to me.
/JoeNathan
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
/Koji
/Yoshi
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 10:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
/Ollie
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Ollie needs someone to play Canasta with.
Dotel?
I like pretty dark haired women and breakfast food. - Ron Swanson
by Axe Em Rangers on Nov 30, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
indeed
always play lots of that when my parents visit, great fun, though the parents are obviously more reason for the fun than the specific game.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
My mother taught me how to play when I was eight.
By 13, I was at the Moose Lodge placing in tournies against men who have played it for 40+ years.
I love that game.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
my dad is very good
he wins most of the time when we play.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I've found about 40-60% of the success
is dependent upon the communication and playing styles of you and your partner.
And I’m assuming you’re playing 4 handed pinochle.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Yes, but my wife
is a beginner at pinochile, but is a very slashing, risk-taking partner. Communication is not difficult with her, her hints are breathtakingly obvious, which is all in fun with family. She’ll bid up to 30 just hoping the 2 or 3 cards she needs are in the middle.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Hell no...
I’m very interested in Thornton, but you don’t give up a top 5 prospect with a system like the Rangers have for a reliever with that contract.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
No Odor.
Never. Untouchable.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
that's stilly
Odor isn’t untouchable. You trade him only if the return is right, but he’s far from untouchable.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I voted him #1 prospect in the system.
I’m joking.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I've seen sexier numbers
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 30, 2011 10:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You just have to thiink the Chisox are shopping Thornton while his value is high.
Yes he is old (35) and expensive $6Mper for 2 years for a LHRP. But he also brings the heat and has nice stats that many find attractive. Much like the Cubs/Garza situation I think the Chisox are selling what pieces they have that ’may" be overvalued. It makes me wonder what pieces the Rangers have that they would sell/trade while their value is high. Napoli comes to mind but can you imagine LSB blowing up if that happened?
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Wheres vfn with the new prospect poll
these next few should be interesting with plenty of discussion. Need them up early
Garza
Their need is 3B. What do you have to add to Olt?
He’s not enough to headline, but could maybe co-headline.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 30, 2011 10:45 AM CST reply actions
C'mon Bigsteve...
Add Moreland and then sign Fielder!
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Perez and Olt
I’d think long and hard.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 30, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Then move Ogando to the pen or do you trade on of the 6 SP already here?
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Always a good problem.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 30, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
You made me laugh.
Only one thing as nice as good pitching….MORE good pitching.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK THAT
Garza can eat a fat fucking dick at that price.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Yeah...
this Holland/Harrison/Perez + Olt for Garza stuff is garbage. Fuck that.
I’ll say the same thing this year that I said about Garza last year. Pass.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
That's really deep.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
If only you had a nickel for everytime you've said that to another guy...
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 30, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
I thought you were above the insult, Woodcock.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Who said it was an insult?
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 30, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Prospect
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/11/30/2600337/lsb-offseason-community-prospect-ranking-3
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/11/30/2600337/lsb-offseason-community-prospect-ranking-3
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/11/30/2600337/lsb-offseason-community-prospect-ranking-3
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Cubs sign DeJesus
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 30, 2011 11:52 AM CST reply actions
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