Wednesday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 9, 2011 10:17 AM CST
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Drew Davison talks to Bob Simpson, one of the moneymen behind the Rangers, about Rangers-related stuff...Simpson says that payroll, incidentally, "will be" in the nine figures in 2012.
Richard Durrett asks whether the Rangers will have a "World Series hangover" in 2012, after coming so close in 2011 then falling short.
Beau Jones, one of the players acquired in the Mark Teixeira trade, has left the organization as a minor league free agent and signed with the Florida Marlins.
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World Series hangover?
Should you really be asking this question for a team that went to back to back WS?
Would have been nice for Beau Jones to make...
…at least a token appearance in the majors for Texas…if for no other reason than for the Teix trade to have given the Rangers five big league players.
"George, why would I, a Julliard trained dermatologist, send him to another doctor?"---Cosmo Kramer
Was Beau Jones the only piece of that trade that didn't contribute to the major league team?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Didn't even make the majors? JD sucks.
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by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 9, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Yep. Trade was a total bust
Just should have keep Tex for another year and see what we would have got for him then rather than panicking like we did.
by LBBRangerFan on Nov 9, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
And gone into the HOF as a pitcher!
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Fire him
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 10:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
MAGIC BEANS
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
Like these?
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Nov 9, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
this should be interesting
o.o
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Nov 9, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
you could argue Salty
but yeah
and Salty gave us Mendez and Salty’s dad, so there’s that.
by elvis1isking on Nov 9, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
NOOOOOO!
Not Beau Jones!!!!
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 10:26 AM CST via mobile reply actions
STAY HARD BEAU!!!
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
I remember why I don't like the OT threads
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 10:33 AM CST via mobile reply actions
AD=Arrested Development?
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 10:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You do IT?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
MLB Trade
is throwing the Rangers hat into the ring regarding Beuhrle, Oswalt, and Edwin Jackson (gross). I think Oswalt is most likely because Nolan seems to like him, and like we’ve been told so many times, what Nolan wants, Nolan gets…
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 9, 2011 10:49 AM CST reply actions
Whatever Nola(n) wants, Nola(n) gets
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
It makes my stomach turn
just thinking about having to watch him throw 117 pitches in 5 innings.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 9, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe we'll get 170 pitch no-no
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 11:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think Oswalt is likely...
if the Rangers miss out on Wilson and Darvish.
And I go back and forth on that. One day I think he’d be a good fit, the next day I’m not so sure. Either way, his health is a concern.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Ridiculous rosterbation happening
What would people’s initial reaction if the Rangers signed Jose Reyes to a 5 year/$100M contract and then turned around and dealt Elvis Andrus and Neil Ramirez to the Brewers for Zack Greinke?
This
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 11:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i love elvis to but i really like jimmy rollins so i would trade elvis for rollins
but i dont think grinke can pitch in our park except maybe in the wiffle park hahaha
by The Texas Rangers numba 1 fan on Nov 9, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Jimmy Rollins is old and not very productive
I would take Elvis over Rollins a million times over.
Unrelated question: how old are you?
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 11:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wow
You’re a decade older than me, yet you type like your a teenager texting your girlfriends.
Start using periods/commas. It will improve you’re life!
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 11:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Andrus is young and on his way up, Rollins is on the decline
last 3 years (fangraphs)
Player / Age / wOBA / WAR
Andrus / 20 / .322 / 3.4
Andrus / 21 / .298 / 2.1
Andrus / 22 / .323 / 4.5
Rollins / 31 / .316 / 3.0
Rollins / 32 / .317 / 2.5
Rollins / 33 / .329 / 3.8
All of Rollins’ last three years are below his career average. His best years are definitely behind him.
I think the only way we get rid of Elvis right now is if Profar is ready, which is still AT LEAST two years away. Hopefully when Elvis hits FA, Profar is ready to take his place (provided he wasn’t traded for an ace).
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Nov 9, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
WHAT.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Have you seen the whiffle park?
Home run factory.
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by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 9, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Every pitch
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 12:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You'd deal a 23 year old SS
Under team control for three more years AND Neil Ramirez who is probably our most ML ready pitching prospect coming off a breakout season for one year of Zack Greinke where you get to pay him $16m (or so)?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Good point.
And I didn’t answer his question…
My reaction would be to set fire to buildings.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Do you think Andrus alone would net Greinke?
And for the record I think the Rangers are better served using their resources elsewhere. I was just curious what people thought considering the multiple levels involved in the scenario. Signing a high-priced guy, acquiring a TORP, trading an LSB favorite, trading a couple young guys under long-term control.
I think given their current contract situations and age.
Andrus is more valuable.
I think the Brewers would jump on that deal.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Especially since
Greinke was a win now, prove to Prince we’ll spend money or at least take advantage of his last year here move.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 9, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
I say we're winning three strait AL championships
I also say that I’ll miss Elvis more than any other Rangers player. Ever.
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 11:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i worry bout feliz
maybe the game 6 was to hard for him and maybe next year he wont be as efective but mike adams is ok / i really wanted heath bell and maybe we win the world series with bell but will never know
i dont want koji in there in the ninth
by The Texas Rangers numba 1 fan on Nov 9, 2011 11:11 AM CST reply actions
YOU ARE SO NUMBA 1 FAN!
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
by Darth Snark on Nov 9, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Punctuation
It is your friend! You’re not a teenage girl texting (or, at least I hope not).
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 11:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
um i have a slash in there and i hit enter to space it
u can read it
by The Texas Rangers numba 1 fan on Nov 9, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
I can sort of read it
But it’s a freaking Nightmare
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 11:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I want to stuff your body in the trunk of a burning car.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
That'll teach him.
"Can the Rangers nail down a title with Derek Holland in Game 6? Not even close ..." -- Randy Galloway, 10/13/11
by CrustytheCowboy on Nov 9, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
how did the Mike E bot spawn a sockpuppet
now that’s impressive AI
The nine-figures comment is interesting:
Is it safe to say that there will be a nine-figure payroll next season?
It will be. Success follows success. By 2015 the goal is that this team will be self-sustaining, but our payroll may be another 40 or 50 percent higher. So that will move you up to a level where you should field a great team year after year. We just need to bridge the gap [between now and the TV contract] to get this great franchise to permanent success.
I don’t know if Simpson means “40 or 50 percent higher” than this year’s anticipated nine-figure payroll, or 2011’s payroll.
If the former, it’s hard to say how high we’re talking, because we don’t know if “nine figures” means $105 million or $130 million. And there’s a pretty large difference between 2015 ranges of $147-158 million and $182-195 million.
If it’s the latter, though, then we’re talking $129-138 million in 2015, which, I think, sums up the Rangers chances of signing multiple high-priced free agents this offseason.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
I think he means around $130m.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think he means $500m+
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 11:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, about 35 thousand million
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by Josh Lile on Nov 9, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
FIFFY
fiffy billion
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Nov 9, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Hahahaha
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 11:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
For 2015? Or 2012?
There’s also this:
We’re expecting from 2011-2014 we will probably spend $40 million on capital improvements and $60 million or so on payroll and other needs.
Assuming all $60 million goes to payroll, that’s $15 million a year (including last season), though I don’t imagine it gets spent in even amounts per season, since the team’s payroll’s getting more expensive. I’m assuming whatever is added from will be above a break-even point for revenue, and ’m really wondering what Simpson views as that break-even point.
Also, I wish we knew more about the TV bonus money…
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
What was our payroll last year?
90m?
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 11:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks
So, obviously, increasing our payroll by 40 million would mean signing two big FAs.
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 11:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Or one very big FA and a few smaller ones, yes.
But I have a very hard time believing they’ll run with a $130 million payroll in 2012.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
I don't if they feel an opportunity is there that is worth it.
I don’t think they want to spend that money regardless… but I think they’ll do it if it makes sense.
Additionally… I think they sign one big FA (and possibly extend a guy or two) and have a bit of room for growth for a mid-season trade.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Not necessarily.
We have a lot of arb raises and contract increases.
We probably could sign two big FA… but they’d have to be structured in 2012 to have lower value. Like the $10m Cliff Lee got in 2011 from the Phillies.
It would also mean Hamilton is definitely gone if we commit to long term contracts at that level.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think the estimate of $95-100 million
after arbitration and raises for indentured servants seems about right.
That would leave $40-45 million for signings, if they run with a $130 million payroll. That’d almost certainly be enough to, say, sign Wilson and Darvish (if he posts). I’m not suggesting they should, but it should be enough.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
I have this weird feeling
either Oswalt or Buehrle ends up here.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 9, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
I think Darvish is what the Rangers want most.
And if we don’t get him… I think we’ll end up either getting CJ on a very team friendly deal (if CJ decides he just has to stay here… low probability) or Buehrle/Oswalt.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It will all depend
on the chain of events. The problem with Darvish is the wait. If one of those guys decides to say screw it and signs, you’ll get a rush of moves similar to a position rush in the NFL Draft.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 9, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think so.
I think all the major moves will wait till Darvish posts or the Winter Meetings.
Darvish can post in November and be done (from a who has rights perspective) before the Winter Meetings.
If Darvish delays posting before the Winter Meetings I think things will shift gears.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I could see a vet like Buehrle say
this is where I want to play and sign. For instance, if he says, okay, I’m going to Miami with Ozzie, that’s one piece off the board. Oswalt could possibly do the same thing. If it does happen, it throws everything into chaos because no one wants to be the team left with no one to dance with.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 9, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
I think JD could live with not adding any starters.
Rather than being pushed to make decision before Darvish posts.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Do you think Darvish is the most likely FA we sign? (if he posts)
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 11:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I think he's who we pursue the hardest.
But since the posting process is a blind bidding thing… I don’t have any idea how successful we’ll be.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
There's always the possibility that someone puts up a huge bid.
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 12:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The problem with Darvish
it’s a long shot you even get a chance to negotiate with him. All it takes is one crazy bid and you’re out.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 9, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Yes... and I think JD will see that through.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think it's obvious
that the Rangers are targeting SP. I don’t know if JD is willing to risk coming up empty in that regard playing 1-10 odds that you get to negotiate with Darvish. Difference of opinion I suppose.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 9, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
It's a timing thing.
I think JD will wait the two weeks until Darvish is likely to post, and the four days the posting will take to find out.
Winter meetings are almost four weeks away. If Darvish isn’t settled by then… I agree he’ll pursue other options faster.
But saying that it all has to be sorted before the Winter Meetings starts is unlikely.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I agree with that.
My point was more I’ll be interested to see what happens if a few of the guys sign before the meetings. I think there is a good chance a SP rush occurs if that happens.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 9, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
True.
And when I say that I think he’s our most likely big sign, I am including as the pool of big signs Pujols, Fielder, Darvish, Wilson, and Reyes.
Maybe I’m forgetting someone.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I don't think Reyes or Pujols
are on our radar. It seems like CJ isn’t very high on the list either for whatever reason. Fielder and Darvish top the list with Buehrle and Oswalt being the more likely gets. Of those 4, I think Oswalt is the most likely.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 9, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Right, and I agree.
I’m just including them in the pool.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
#LOMO
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by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 9, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Oakland will bid $100 million posting fee
then offer Darvish a 5 year, $5 million contract.
When they go to Japan to open their season next year, their players will wear modified Sombrero batting helmets to deflect the downpour of raw fish in Tokyo Dome.
Although personally I'd rather role with the rotation the Rangers have now
Sign a big time hitter. If a big-time pitcher is needed look to acquire one at the deadline or sign one next year. The options aren’t good this year.
hopefuly hes not homer simpson hahahaha
by The Texas Rangers numba 1 fan on Nov 9, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
marge wheres josh
oh hes at church again / marge wheres elvis oh hes in graceland hahaha
by The Texas Rangers numba 1 fan on Nov 9, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I hope you post here every day for the rest of my life.
"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan
by Flynnyrd on Nov 9, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm assuming 100-105 next year, with the number being around 130 in 2015.
by LiamP on Nov 9, 2011 11:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'll wager it's at least $115 next year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Disagree. The only way it even approaches that number is if they sanction a special case signing like Darvish.
by LiamP on Nov 9, 2011 11:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
$100-105 means they let CJ walk.
And don’t add any additional salary beyond perhaps a $3-4m player if they trade Yorvit or trade/non-tender Murphy.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Right.
CJ walks, 2 of TORREALBA, Murphy and Uehara depart and they bring in maybe a Buehrle/Oswalt type.
by LiamP on Nov 9, 2011 11:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think you could get even a Buehrle/Oswalt type.
We’d need to use some of that money to 1-2 LH relievers.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
130 this year, 170 in 2015.
Let’s be outrageous.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 9, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
if our payroll is only 100-105 million next year
It’s going to be a very boring offseason and frankly a huge disappointment
by bigsteve on Nov 9, 2011 11:47 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I will be disappointed
If we dont get atleast one big FA
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 11:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Could we back-load two big contracts
So that we start paying them big when the TV deal kicks in, and when we’re free of Michael Young?
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 9, 2011 11:47 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Darvish article at ProjectProspect
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
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