Saturday a.m. Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 9:58 AM CST
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The talk for a while has been that the Rangers are going to focus this offseason on locking up their "core" rather than spending big on players from outside the organization (or, apparently, re-signing their own free agent who they apparently didn't consider part of the "core").
Jeff Wilson's notes include the news that the Rangers have contacted the agent for Ian Kinsler about a contract extension. Kinsler is under contract for next year and has a team option for 2013, and is quoted in Wilson's piece as saying that he wants to stay with Texas.
Joey Matches writes this morning about how good Kinsler has been -- his bWAR from age 26-29 is the tenth highest in major league history for any second baseman -- and looks at the pluses and minuses of locking Kinsler up, along with the cost (he estimates $51 million over three years, which seems reasonable to me).
The biggest concern I have about extending Kinsler is that he hasn't been durable, and second basemen seem have durability issues anyway (Bill James speculated once that that may be a product of the wear and tear that comes with being the pivot man in the double play). But if they can lock Kinsler up this offseason with an extension, I'd like to see that happen.
T.R. Sullivan's notes discuss the addition of infielder Alberto Gonzalez on a minor league deal, Joe Nathan's contract, Craig Gentry and David Murphy being honored, and the importance of February 22.
Craig Gentry suffered a strained thigh muscle in winter ball that has sidelined him. The organization apparently asked him to go to winter ball to get some more ABs.
And Angels beat writer Lyle Spencer -- known as the Jeff Mathis "27 outs" guy -- has a column about how the Angels and Rangers stack up favorably with the traditional powers in the A.L. East.
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well... I guess Joe Nathan was it...
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 10, 2011 10:04 AM CST reply actions
That's not where Nintendo comes from, right?
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Yep. So. JD's Plan A: Payroll at 105-110 without losing talent plus set up cost savings for 2013-2015
It’s not sexy, and it’s surprising to me, but that appears to be Plan A.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I would really prefer getting Napoli done before Kinsler.
Cruz, too, maybe.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Cost certainty with arb avoidance.
Plus I don’t see the impetus behind rushing to line Kinsler up. We still have two seasons, and I don’t see his value appreciating greatly during that time while it could certainly depreciate (same story for Nelson, though, I suppose.)
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
You either want to extend him now or next offseason
If your intention is to keep him here long-term, I don’t think you want to wait until after 2013.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
I'm with Keynes on this
let him play another year, see how his health holds up, and then work out the negotiation next offseason. No reason to negotiate with a guy coming off a career year when he’s locked up for two more. His value at this point can only come down.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
not really
and I have been very vocal about valuing him based on this year’s numbers. But he’s a FA after this year, so its sort of a now or never situation. I’m hearing a lot of 4/50 projections, which make me very nervous.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Only way 4/50 makes me nervous is if he spends significant time on the DL
If he can play 140 games and catch 100 of them for the life of the K, he’ll be worth every penny of that kind of deal.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
He's played 140 games once in his career, in 2010
He’s never caught 100 games.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
You still think Napoli would sign a 3/25?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure I never said I thought he would
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
But I thought you said that would be your offer, no?
I linked that not too long ago and you didn’t comment on it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Then why didn't you ask if that would still be my offer?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
So you're saying your price and offer would change
from a month ago?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
You asked me if I still believe something that you then turned around and acknowledged I never said I believed
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
This is what I found...
“I’d offer him 3 years, $25 million
Maybe a 4th year team option at $12 million with a $2 million buyout.
If that doesn’t do it, then I’d do a one year deal and re-evaluate after 2012."
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2011 11:03 AM EDT
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/11/1/2529726/tuesday-a-m-rangers-stuff
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
A 3/25 offer to Napoli isn't something he's going to be enticed to sign.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
He could be the catching version of Edgar Martinez?
“It’s not where we start in life, it’s where we finish.” – Douche B. Jacobs
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
He has very little mileage on those knees at this point, because Sosha decided he was a part-time player.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Maybe Napoli peaked in 2011?
I can’t think of many catchers who went from the part-time role to consistent All Star in their 30’s? Am I missing someone?
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
You're not missing anything.
And I’m pretty sure 2011 represents his production ceiling. He does not, however, have to produce anywhere near that level over the life of a 4/50 K in order to earn that K. I think the team plans on him catching 100 games next year. Let’s see how it goes.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I'm aware of that
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I think he could've played more games
Scioscia was determined to get Mathis in there. Don’t ask me why.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
by Buttermaker on Dec 10, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Ummm...
No reason to negotiate with a guy coming off a career year when he’s locked up for two more.
Really? There’s no reason?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
There's no reason to do it this offseason
when you can do it next offseason. How likely is it that he repeats his 7.7 WAR next year given his injury history?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Your mindset seems to be that unless he duplicates his 2011 season, his price will go down
I don’t know that that’s true.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Sure, if you let him cross the Rubicon into the market, crazy things start happening.
But I think that thought applies, and moreso, to Cruz as well.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Cruz is older and, I think, has less value due to his position
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
I also don't think he's in the stratosphere of a 17mm AAV.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Cruz is old enough that I'm not sure I'd want to extend him anyway.
I might even consider trading him when he’s close to becoming a free agent. He’s shown no ability to stay healthy over a full season and will only be getting older. He’s a great hitter when he’s in the lineup but it’s also a big blow to the team every time he pulls a hamstring.
Kinsler is locked up until 2013...yeah, I'd love to have him here beyond that
but …..Josh? Napoli? Cobra?
Kinsler will be 31 years old on Opening Day 2014….no freaking way he signs a 3/51.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Kinsler is more important to our future competitiveness than any of the other players you've mentioned.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I understand he's very important but he's on the backburner.
It’s also painfully naive to believe he would be interested in signing a club-friendly 3/51.
JD gave Face a 5/80 that started when he was 32 years old….Kinsler has already given This Thing a club-friendly deal…he’s looking to cash in after 2013, at least 5 years, probably 6.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Alright, I'm bookmarking this for when you blast JD for not locking Kinsler up prior to hitting FA.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Did you bookmark what I said back in November?
You know, worrying about the Angels signing CJ for a 5/75 or 5/80 deal?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Here's another bookmark for you, Tiny.
And if the Angels make a run at CJ it won’t be more than the 5/85 that Weaver got.
Maybe 5/80 or 5/75.
How in the fuck are going to replace 121 IPs on the road with a 2.31 ERA?
“Dying ain’t hard. It’s living that’s hard.”
“Don’t become the ’82 Milwaukee Brewers.”
“You want false modesty? F that.”
by Josey Wales on Nov 12, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/11/12/2556535/saturday-morning-rangers-stuff#82645662
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but that 5/80 is bad, bad contract.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
If magic happened and he became a free agent today and tomorrow he got a 3/48 deal from an AL club you wouldn't point and laugh at that club?
Because I would absolutely point and laugh at a club giving 48 million human money dollars along with a no-trade to Micheal Young right now.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
He has 2/32 left not 3/48
He wouldn’t get that, but it was looking like it would be a total disaster.
So far (ignoring the annoying trade episodes anyway) its been a modest overpay that will probably be worse for the final 2 years… but not exactly a catastrophe.
Oops.
Still, I would point, and I would laugh.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Well, almost every contracts last 2 years are bad.
Would you point and laugh for the first 3 years of the extension?
3.1, 2.8, 3.8 WAR – contributed on the field to contending teams including two world series appearances?
Now if only he had actually done something in the postseason and not thrown tantrums in the pre-season…..
Of course, all this is judging based on results rather than the decision. It was a pretty bad decision to give him that contract even if its turning out reasonably ok.
Which was my ultimate point in regards to the idea that Young's contract should be some kind of benchmark for Kinsler to shoot for
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
as well, the WAR point
There were 50 some odd position players and 25 pitchers with higher WARs than Young in 2011, and 21 players with higher salaries. It breaks pretty similarly if you look at 2008-2010.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
He's only got 2 years and 32 mil left on his deal
According to Fangraphs hes been worth 41+ mil thus far in the first 3 years of his deal
if he gives us 20 mil worth of value over the last two years and ends up giving us 60+ mil of value over the life of his 5 year deal that along with the PR and fan angle easily makes it a good deal for us. It may not have been a good deal for another club where he wasn’t the FOTF but for us its been pretty good
You think "the PR and the fan angle" and whatever other intangibles
that Michael Young brings are, in and of themselves, worth $19 million over 5 years?
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I'd say its worth enough to make the deal as a whole not be bad
Maybe not 20 mil worth but 10-12 maybe.
Even a $10 million "loss" over 5 years is nothing to sniff at.
I don’t think there’s any good way to measure what intangibles Young has/will have brought to the table over the course of his contract. But even after his performance last season — which was genuinely great — I don’t see a strong argument that 5/$80M was/has been a bad deal for the Rangers.
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3/51 is only club friendly in the sense that its only 3 years
And he’d be signing it 2 years before he hits FA which is a concession he is probably going to have to make.
I’d go 4 if thats what it took but his injury history gives me pause to go further than that. Young got a 5 year deal when he did but he did not have any injury issues
you'd probably have to add on some options at the end of that
He’d be giving up the long termness of a deal right now to add the security aspect
Team options make it less attractive to Kinsler, not more
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
yeah
But he’s not going to get a 5 year guaranteed deal like Young got due to his injury history.
You could make them some sort of vesting option based on PAs or something where if he stays healthy he gets a 4 or 5 year deal out of it but I wouldn’t guarantee over 3, maybe 4 years but I think it’ll take 4-5 years to sign him
He'll go to free agency, bigsteve.
V Wells Contract comes off the books in 2014 and I’m sure Arte wouldn’t mind sticking it to the Rangers again.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Thats possible
But of all our upcoming FA’s I think the club realizes Kins is one they have to keep and will get it done.
Hes not going to get a 5 year guaranteed deal due to his injury history. but the gap between his request and our offer shouldn’t be so far apart we cant make it work.
I’ll guess he gets 4/60 with a 5th year vesting option based on PA that has a 4 mil buyout. I dont see why he would get more than Beltre got in AAV as a FA when hes got two years until then so a 15 mil AAV with a similar deal only 1 less year sounds like it should work
You're undervaluing Kinz.
You don’t think his agent is going to play the Top 10 bWAR card?
Say he has two more years like this past year, no fucking way he goes for 4/60.
It’s more likely 5/90 or 6/108.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
And if he doesn't have 2 more years like 2011?
Like with Napoli, if you want to pay them top dollar before they hit FA based off a career type year thats fien but you are going to be overpaying when you are the only one in the bidding.
if Kinsler or Napoli are so confident in themselves that they will forgo millions of guaranteed dollars in very reasonable deals for both sides to try and get mega paydays fine then they probably walk. But it shouldn’t force you to overpay based on a career type year.
Kinsler has a very obvious and lengthy injury history. Last year was the first year he didn’t go on the DL in his career. At this point in time im not willing to guarantee more than 4 years on top of the 2 hes already guaranteed and based on what Adrian Beltre got last winter as a free agent im not willing to pay Kinsler more than 16 mil per right now either.
More specific, please.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
5/90? 6/108? Was the post stupid for shooting down 4/60?
Whether or not his agent will play the Top 10 bWAR card?
Kinsler signed his club-friendly deal, Adam….he’s looking to cash in next time and Young’s 5/80 offered in 2007 will be used.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
The idea that we have to sign Kinsler now because we're afraid Arte Moreno may moneywhip him in 2014 is dumb
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
I'm the one that said Kinsler is on the backburner...he's not
my priority right now.
One year from now, he becomes my priority.
Thinking he’ll sign a club friendly 3/51 is naive….somebody else, maybe Arte…will offer him more if we bungle the Kinz negotiations like we bungled CJ’s.
Also, ESPN said yesterday that the parameters of a deal to CJ were a 3 year deal with a club option for a 4th year for a total of $ 50 million – fucking brilliant.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
The Rangers didn't want CJ back
I’ve been saying that for months. Why are you acting surprised about that?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
I can't imagine they didn't want him back. Just look at his stats...he's a great guy in the community, keeps his ass in shape and was quite a mentor to the other young pitchers...you can pitch in Texas but you better prepare yourself to do it.
Scott Servais is right there next to DiPoto and brand new to his job…think he wants to screw the pooch on this one?
No, I don’t. I think he told both DiPoto & Moreno that there were no problems with CJ.
The problem is not that they didn’t want CJ… the problem is that Rangers spent their money last year and now apparently can’t afford CJ.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Do you have a better explanation as to why they'd
let him go?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Face has a direct pipeline to Nolan and he doesn't like JD either...you're going to
need a better explanation than that.
They spent their money last year, Adam. Nothing else makes sense.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
I likely could come up with dozens.
Because that’s pretty terrible reasoning.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
If it was a matter of whether or not they "wanted" CJ...
why the hell would they make him an offer last March?
Why would they talk to him about “parameters” for an offer?
The problem is they couldn’t afford him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
It wasn't a matter of "wanting CJ" it was a
matter of could they afford CJ.
If you want an example of a player the Rangers didn’t want…look at Marlon Byrd after 2009. He was cut loose without any “parameters” for a deal being discussed.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
How is that different than CJ?
Haven’t you yourself been claiming that Texas didn’t make an offer to him?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Not sure what you're asking, Ben.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Hold on...maybe I understand it now.
The Rangers did make an offer to CJ last March…supposedly 3 years.
My understanding from listening to CJ and his agent is that JD never made a 4/48 offer to CJ but did talk about parameters for a deal they would be willing to make. ESPN later said it was a 3 year deal with a club option for a 4th for a total of $ 50 million.
That’s different than cutting somebody like Byrd, Andruw Jones or Hank F loose. Those were three players the Rangers didn’t want.
If the Rangers didn’t want CJ, they wouldn’t have made him an offer last spring or talked parameters for a deal the last couple of weeks.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
What if the Rangers wanted CJ if the price was right?
To them that meant 12-13 mil per for 3-4 years
That means they were very consistent
with CJ and completely mis-evaluated everything about him and his ability throughout his entire career in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Nolan's baby.
Well, some of them contracts are getting to look like retirement contracts. My comfort level on free agency is three to four years and they think nothing of agents, nowadays, asking for seven. So, I don’t know, I don’t know how you justify something like that.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
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by vfn on Dec 10, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ninjas don't blame Nolan.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Bookmarked for use later in the offseason.
You’d better hope we don’t make a play on Darvish and/or Fielder.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Did you also bookmark what I said about the Rangers
making no more than a 3 year offer to CJ?
I took a lot of heat in here for that one but was ultimately proven correct.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
No, I didn't bookmark that one.
I’m bookmarking a lot of what you’ve said in this thread.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Here's another good one to bookmark, Tiny.
That’s why I don’t think they’re eternally fucked by the Wells Contract.
These are smart people and they must have thought this through…plus they signed Weaver.
They must feel the new core for the team are the Big Three in the rotation plus Bourjos, Trout and perhaps Morales if healthy or Trumbo if he’s not.
“Dying ain’t hard. It’s living that’s hard.”
“Don’t become the ’82 Milwaukee Brewers.”
“You want false modesty? F that.”
by Josey Wales on Sep 29, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up actions
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Nope. Didn't bookmark that one either.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Well you're not doing a very good job.
NOW HIRING:
Someone to bookmark all of JW’s replies.
by lost in space on Dec 10, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Here's another really good one, Tiny...guess we found out Moreno's feelings and then what he was going to do with all that money coming off the books.
“Is Arte Moreno pissed off and going to make TReagins his scapegoat? Does Morales come back healthy and if so, what happens to Trumbo? What do they do with the money that’s coming off the payroll (Kazmir, GMJ contracts)?”
by Josey Wales on Sep 29, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up actions
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/9/29/2457564/thursday-a-m-rangers-stuff#78788118
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
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"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
by JDT217 on Dec 10, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Keeps his ass in shape?
Yu gayernhell
by mh420800 on Dec 10, 2011 12:16 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Young was about as durable as could be so 5 years could be justified
Beltre has been about as durable as could be when he hit FA (except for that whole testicle thing) and he only got 5 guaranteed years and a playing time based option
Kinsler has played 1 full season without a DL trip in his career. If he thinks hes going to get 5 guaranteed right now when hes 2 years from FA then there probably wont be a deal done and im fine with that
He'll go to FA even if we offer him a 4 or 5 year extension?
This is gold, Josey. Gold.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Prospects
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/12/10/2625864/lsb-offseason-community-prospect-ranking-12
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
I still have a feeling we end up with Fielder
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Cubs
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I don't think we can afford to acquire the entire Cubs team.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think the Cubs will land Fielder.
…
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Cubs, Mariners and Blue Jays seem like the only real competition here
and I agree that the Cubs are likely to be the stiffest competition. That said, at some point I’m hoping our state tax situation and our competitive team actually leads a player to want to play here.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
The tax thing is wildly overblown.
The competitive team thing seems only to matter to guys who are on their last deal. Like Lance Berkman, who wisely chose the clearly superior (and ultimate world champion) St. Louis Cardinals over the clearly inferior (and world series runner-ups) Texas Rangers.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
The good news is
neither AA, Jack Z nor Theo seems that likely to go apeshit and give him a 7th or 8th year.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I'm curious about this.
If Fielder simply can’t find a deal for that 7th or 8th year, does he sign a 5-6 year deal at $22-24MM per, or does he sign a shorter-term deal and hope to grab the big deal at age 30?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Thanks. Didn't see that.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Boras won't do a short term deal with Prince because he knows what's
going to happen to his weight in 3-4 years…this really isn’t that hard. The sonofabitch is morbidly obese.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
I'm more worried that he works less hard once he has the money
For athletes, that isn’t always a problem. But, what if he throws on another 25 lbs?
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John Waters and Divine...
what a handsome couple.
by lost in space on Dec 10, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Of course he'd say that, though
But if his options are 5 @ 22/yr or 8 @ 16/yr, I wonder what he picks.
Thats the "FWIW" part, heh.
And Im sure he’d take the 5 year deal in that scenario, but theres no way the gap between years/average is that huge.
Across the board, you're right
I could see a team having such little confidence in his “shape” that they are okay with $22M for the first 5 years, and only 11M for the last 3.
Wait....
A player was quoted that he wants to stay with his current team? Stop the presses. This is unprecedented. He’s not going anywhere.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
Fielder makes too much sense now.
"I've got a Harden!"
by ghostofPeterGardere on Dec 10, 2011 10:30 AM CST reply actions
Not really
We have enough offense.
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"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Well...
when have you ever known what makes sense?
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Dec 10, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Said CJ, before he became a starter reminded me of Kenny Rogers and that I thought
he had the capability to eventually become that good.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Or beer, or friends, or toilet paper or starting pitching.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Starting Pitching
is in-place – by way of – our system. Signing one guy with 2 years experience for $80 million is not the “system” that brought us to 2 World Series appearances. What $80 million pitchers did we have in 2010 and 2011?
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
I don't look at it that way.
There will be new CJ Wilson’s and Cliff Lee’s – if we work the system. Using the farm to trade in July – as necessary. Developing the new class of pitchers each season.
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
And what's your offer this off-season for Cobra?
3/30?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I dont offer Colby this winter
I ride his ass in 2012 and then thank him for his service and wish him luck wherever he lands.
And you don't make signing Josh a priority either I presume but you also don't
want to trade him this off-season, correct?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
probably not with the offense the Angels have now
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
No I dont want to extend Josh
Not for what hes going to command
I only trade him if we have a backup plan in place (ie: sign Prince)
I only trade him for a established player who would help us in 2012 at least as well no package of prospects (which i doubt you’d get too high a package anyway)
If we were to sign Prince and wanted to trade Hamilton for Greinke or Hamels I would be ok with that
Why don't you want to compete in both 2012 AND beyond?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
What does this mean?
The Rangers have gotten to that point where more runs scored won’t make a difference?
Holy hell the Soriano deal is bad.
For some reason I was entertaining a B & 2 C prospect trade for him and cash and wondering how he would fit as a DH with some COF time.
There’s 3 years and 54 million left on his deal, for his age 36/37/38 years.
That is bad.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
they would give up that contract for a box of baseballs.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Aside from the contract, he doesn't hit well enough to be a DH or a COF
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Which I was mildly surprised to find out, as well.
I guess I just thought he was younger and better at baseball than he is.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
And also paid less money.
I do very much like the idea of Soriano I had without any tangible evidence to back it up, though.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Guess who was mad that the Rangers didn't give him that contract?
I’ll give you a hint…it rhymes with Mosey Tails.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
LOL!
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Dec 10, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
You know, I was just thinking that the version of Soriano I had in my head was pretty much Mike Young
So, that jives.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Not true, Adam. You know it's not true.
I thought JD screwed the pooch when he traded Soriano for Wilkerson….which is a trade I do believe you thought was a really good one.
How many HR’s did Soriano hit in 2006?
Yeah, 46.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Which he hit in Washington
Because even in 2006, no one was interested in parting with significant talent to get Soriano.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
And you thought it was a major coup for the Rangers, no?
I thought you were a big fan of Brad Whifferson.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't want Soriano here for the contract he signed either.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
From MLBtraderunors
•An NL executive heard that the Rangers have interest in signing Prince Fielder and trading Mitch Moreland to the Rays for Wade Davis. A person with knowledge of Texas’ plans say neither scenario is close to being done, however. The Rangers checked in with Scott Boras about Fielder during the winter meetings.
•The Rangers also have interest in Casey McGehee of the Brewers to play first base, which would still allow them to make the Moreland-for-Davis swap. Matt Moore’s new extension means the Rays won’t have to send him down to the minors for service time reasons, giving them six starters (David Price, James Shields, Jeff Niemann,
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Dec 10, 2011 10:44 AM CST reply actions
I just read this as well
Yes, please.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
If it's Moreland for Davis straight up then, well, sure.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
What are we going to do with Wade Davis?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'd feel good if Newberg would hop by and say
‘Davis? Very flippable…’
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Dec 10, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Package him with Derek Holland as part of the Gonzalez/Bailey deal
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
What's your WAR projection for Holland over the next four years?
I tweeted Dan Szymborski and asked what ZIPS thought.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Stop it.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
This Holland/Gio talk
is getting to be like you bashing Endy this past season.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
by Eric Prince on Dec 10, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Not even in the same ballpark.
This is much worse.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Endy Chavez after Julio Borbon was activated from the d.l. and optioned to AAA
.271/.291/.367
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
he's so adorable though.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
better than what Murphy would have done, and we didn't have to give anything up
in a trade to get someone at the deadline. With the rest of the offense, I was happy to have that line coming out of our number 8/9 type hitter.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
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by Eric Prince on Dec 10, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
He was a better value
than I believe we’d have gotten elsewhere.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it" - Thomas Paine
by Eric Prince on Dec 10, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Trading Holland talk is nothing new.
And it’s not like Adam invented it… Holland was included as piece in like every trade the Rangers have considered for the past three years.
He was offered for Cliff Lee and Matt Garza. Probably was for Zack Greinke.
That said, Holland had a good season last year and should have more value.
Now… if you have serious concerns about Holland’s future that makes this a good time to deal him and sell high.
My issue is that I think even a pessimistic projection of Holland has him giving you at least 10 WAR over the next four years.
If he makes 15M through that time via arb (450K, 2.5M, 5M, 7M) that’s still a 30M surplus in free agent dollars at 4.5M/WAR.
Any return on trading Holland needs to provide better value than that floor in my opinion… especially when you factor that Holland could give you 15-20 WAR if he progresses.
That’s why Holland for Garza swaps right now don’t make sense to me. Garza’s going to make 20M over the next two years via arb and had a big jump in WAR last year (Holland’s 2011 would have been Garza’s career high prior to 2011). So let’s say you think you get 9 WAR for Garza in those two years (which is optimistic IMO), you’re paying 20M for 40M worth of wins.
There is some additional value in getting that value in two years instead of four… but that’s a very hefty premium.
And again… requires you to be pessimistic on Holland and optimistic on Garza.
Gio’s cheaper than Garza with four arb years left… but his walks and suspiciously low BABIP make me nervous.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Dec 10, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Better have a good backup plan if your planning on McGehee as your 1B
Ben Broussard might be available to platoon
Meh.
BNightengale Bob Nightengale
# There are now 4 super powers in #MLB, all w payrolls over $170m:#Yankees, #RedSox, #Phiilies,#angels
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
One of those teams has won one playoff series in the last 6 years.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
"core", I think, is defined as a player the Rangers want who will stay on a below-market contract during peak production.
I don’t see the Rangers doling out a Beltre contract to their “core” players.
It seems the Rangers will have to follow the model of overpaying a little before the player peaks in order to get a bit of a discount during peak. I see very little ability for the Rangers to pay many Beltre-like contracts, that is peak market value, for their homegrown players.
Clearly, the Rangers are staying away from peak market value for #2 starters as much as they possibly can. Their going to have a rotation full of them, if they can get Gio.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Yu Darvish
he is a risk, but I want him. He’s a different pitcher than Daisuke and it will be interesting to see what the bids are after what happened with Matsuzaka
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yeah I think all the teams are playing down their interest right now
I hope the Rangers get him, but at this point I think it may take a more excessive bid than they’re willing to go up to.
Fielder
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
No way do I want to give Fielder an 8 year deal so that's a no brainer
Darvish 5/100.
Also I doubt Fielder ends up getting more than 6 years wherever he signs. Boras is shooting for at least 8 years, but I’ve seen nothing about teams interested in him for that long. He’s going to have to lower his asking price sooner or later.
I read that they're don't want to spend so much money on Fielder that they won't be able to extend Zimmerman
so they might not go that long either.
They have enough money to extend Zimmerman
and sign a big guy. Mike Rizzo wants to start competing in the near future.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
The Nats are fucking loaded
Richest ownership group in baseball.
Northern Virginia's all time world champion Rangers fan of all time and all of Northern Virginia, and the rest of Virginia too. Mayor of Greatestfanville, Virginia.
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
by Brian Thomas on Dec 10, 2011 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
If you can get Fielder for a 6 year deal
maybe even a team option 7th year, that’d make sense
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I might be able to live with a 6 year deal for Fielder
I’m slowly warming to the idea.
Team option won't be a good idea
For him, I think either a vesting option or a player option would be more enticing. With Boras there, a player option, if he’s done well in the latter years of the contract, he could forgo his option and get one last multi year deal.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it" - Thomas Paine
by Eric Prince on Dec 10, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Vesting option
with performance incentive could work. Something like what Beltre got.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
People around here are in love with options.
Want to make up a contract proposal? Throw an option at the end of it and speculate wildly.*
*I’m talking to others more than you, FB.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I can't say necessarily no on Fielder at 8
but not at 25 per.
Maybe something like 8/170
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
It's the years that worry you
not the dollar amount.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I wouldn't be THRILLED with it
but if the contract number is manageable I wouldn’t be all OH HELL NO.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
No 8 years is a very good reason
to say hell no. Why would you be worried over an extra 30 million dollars over the life of a contract vs. 2 years of extra commitment?
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Well...
If its 6/158 or 8/170… then I don’t see the 6 year contract as that big of an advantage.
Thats just adding on 2 years 12 million… pretty good bet Fielder will still be able to get that in his mid 30s, you could trade him if you are tired of him.
scratch that
of course it wouldnt actually be 2/12 since it’d be balanced.. that number is only relevant to the rangers keeping him throughout not trading him.
and the difference in a 6 and 8 year contract would really be bigger anyway
just saying, there is a point where a longer contract could be considered better heh.
Darvish
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Prince
If he starts to break down at all, we can somewhat protect him by DHing him. And it would put our offense over the top, no matter who we faced. Darvish, I’m still not convinced anyone knows what you’re getting. Plus, with Darvish, in my mind, you have to factor in the posting cost. Say $40 to $50 million. While that is a one time cost, it is a cost all the same. We have 3 number 2 pitchers right now in my mind, and a number 3 and a guy transitioning that could eventually be a number 1.
To sum it all up, Prince is, in my mind, the better value at those prices, despite the length of the contract.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
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by Eric Prince on Dec 10, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
He's a morbidly obese 28 year old DH right now...you don't pay those kind of players $ 20-25 million per.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Relatively agreed
but you do pay potential MVP candidates, potential 40 to 50 HR guys with decent plate discipline that amount
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it" - Thomas Paine
by Eric Prince on Dec 10, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Darvish
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
hard to know what's real and what's smokescreen
when i hear teams consider him more of a #2….i don’t see the bids being all that crazy
I think
the only ppl talking about him right now are the Yankees. I don’t think there’s a consensus of how good he is.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I think it's all smokescreen
with all the interested teams trying to convince the others that they’re not that interested in hopes of keeping competing bids down.
Agreed. I doubt anyone sees his ceiling as #2.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Payroll
So I wanted a spreadsheet since Cot’s doesn’t have it fully worked out for 2012 as things are being resolved.
If all of our arb players get what MLBTR projects for just the people we have on the roster, our payroll will be roughly $111M without factoring in Leonys Martin since I have no idea what the terms of his $15M / 5 year deal were.
All this talk of signing Prince… that puts our payroll in the $130M range unless we shed salary.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The one that's hurting right now
is the Young contract. But we’re not gonna be able to shed it, and he only has 2 more years. Then the TV deal kicks in anyways, and his contract is off the books.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
by Eric Prince on Dec 10, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks.
Updated the spreadsheet… now it’s almost $113M.
Now I think our money lamentations over the past few days are also more about underestimating what our existing players will cost.
Almost a $20M bump from last year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
What big talk, specifically?
Because based on what I’ve seen, they haven’t really contradicted themselves.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
x
What’s the big-picture financial plan? The [$3 billion] TV contract steps up in 2015, and we understand as owners that the goal is to try and permanently take the Rangers to this competitive level. We’ll kind of attack that three different ways. We [the owners] will put up capital. We’re expecting from 2011-2014 we will probably spend $40 million on capital improvements and $60 million or so on payroll and other needs. We’ll fund the deficit of the team from the owner’s pockets unlike teams, such as the Dodgers, who have taken money out of the franchise. So we’re going to put $100 million into it over a four-year period to supplement the team. During that time period, we’ll also need to increase revenues from fans and get their support to keep this level of play. Then our contract will step up in 2015, and our goal is it will be self-sustaining at a higher level at that time. That’s the overall plan we’ve agreed to.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
So: what there frustrates people, in terms of a $105-110M payroll in 2012?
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$105 seems impossibly low.
It’s going to be more like $110-$115.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Obviously depends on arbitration and any further deals.
And also, Young’s full $16M may not count against the 2012 payroll, if it’s true there was deferred money.
$105 seems like the very least they could go — if, say, Young’s contract counts $12M, they get a bit “lucky” in arbitration (say, to the tune of $1-2M), and they trade Uehara or Torrealba for cheaper pieces. That’d take them down around $8M, right?
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If David Murphy is a 4th outfield come opening day
at 3M I will punch a puppie.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
I think you are very likely to punch a puppy.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm not sold on Torrealba being back
but at least he pays a premium position. If you can’t find a .700 OPS backup outfielder for under $3M, and you’re a fucking middle market team, which it’s becoming apparent the Rangers are, then you’re doing a piss poor job of resource allocation.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
But think about the PR, fan angle, and intangibles!
Those have to be worth $1-2 million a year in and of themselves, right?
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See, that's how I see it with Torrealba
both arguments have value, though.
There’s a reason Murphy has averaged over 110 games and 440 AB’s over the past 4 years.
He’s not your typical 4th OF.
Nix put up a similar season at the plate last year to Murph
and he just signed for 1.25 a year.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Which is a good reason to explore his trade value.
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I firmly think
especially if this payroll is as static as we’re now believing it is, that if Murphy isn’t traded, he will be non-tendered Monday.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Which is sort of frustrating,
since he didn’t exactly light the world afire last season.
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I believe Simpson was quoted in a interview saying they would increase payroll by 40-50% over the next 2-3 years
And were prepared to invest roughly 60 million of their own money into payroll while not really making a profit off the club for the next few years
And, again, how does that definitively suggest a 2012 payroll above $110M or so?
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I'm not calling him a liar
I’m saying don’t make big statements to your fans that you are infusing capital and increasing payroll, when they aren’t planning to try and make a single splash in FA.
I don’t think it was malicious, but you have to know when you make statements like that to the public, you’re talking to more than just Snark and Ghetto, who have a fine understanding of our payroll structure.
You’re talking to Jobu, as well, who gets easily excited about these things.
Heh.
I don’t know that Jobu was their target audience, either — how many Rangers fans, reading that quote, knew that the Rangers came in with about a $92M payroll in 2011, and did the math to come out with, say, a $125M expectation for 2012?
I’d bet if you poll a representative sample of the fans, they’d be all over the map in terms of what they think the Rangers’ payroll is and should be…
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Some think the Phillies...
Despite the Phillies having nearly 500K more in annual attendance and likely more current TV revenue.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Right,
But, I bet you most of them hear an owner talking about increasing payroll 40-50% and putting their own capital in and get excited, inferring FA signings of the superstar level.
The Great Chuckie G talked about the Rangers being with Phillies in terms of payroll last year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't $4M of MY's deferred?
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Yup.
And if they really are locked into a $105-110 payroll for 2012, this just adds more credence to the idea that the Rangers “#want” of Wilson was only part of the story.
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It's definitely going to be interesting to see how he pitches in 2012.
Because I think this season’s the one that really matters, on that front.
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Updated the spreadsheet again
With 2013 commitments and rough guesses on arb raises.
$81M in salary without Josh, Napoli, Feldman, Adams, Koji, Lowe, Torrealba, Colby and assuming we non tender/trade Borbon
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So: I've seen very little written about the Yankees-&-Wilson angle.
Wilson expressed surprise that the Yankees didn’t make a serious run at him, which seems to confirm the reports that New York wasn’t interested.
Given their pitching situation, and their payroll, and what Wilson eventually signed for: is anyone else curious about why Cashman & Co. weren’t in on the bidding?
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They didn't think he's that good
Or that he’d be a good fit in NY, in terms of personality, etc.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I'm curious why they weren't more in on Buehrle.
I wonder if for hidden reasons they are hitting budgetary issues (which I have a hard time believing)
Or they’re going to blow everyone out of the water on Darvish.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I can't imagine they'd let his fit in NY, personality, etc., stop them from signing him
if their talent evaluators were high enough on him, and if they thought that 5/$77.5M was enough of a bargain…
It’s one thing to have to money-whip Buehrle in order to sign him — 4 years, $60M doesn’t sounds so appealing for him, no matter what club you are. But Wilson… I am really, really curious to know what their talent guys said about him, and how that compares with what the Rangers’ talent guys were saying.
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I really want to know the answer to that question as well.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Sadly, we're almost certainly never going to find out...
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Well, in that case, I think we should speculate.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Yes. Extremely.
Or Buehrle for that matter. They have been way too quiet this offseason.
I don’t know what that says considering their rotation.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Don't they have to do something
They can’t be confident of a 2 thru 5 of Nova, Burnett, Hughes, and Garcia winning a World Series
You would think so, wouldn't you?
But I hope Yu wouldn’t.
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If the Yankees weren't interested with their needs, CJ must not be all that good.
That’s how this works, right? The Yankees are infallible and make all the right decisions?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I think it makes you question their budget more...
Than their talent evaluation.
Or that they are loading for Yu.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
This is very interesting.
It makes you question the Yankees budget, and yet the consensus around here seems to be that the Rangers had the money to sign Wilson — they just didn’t want him/value him enough?
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I think it means both teams looked at the money it would take to sign him and said "Not worth it."
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
That's somewhat different than what matchst1ck is saying, though, right?
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A bit.
Though the sentiment Aqua is saying is applicable… but I’m not sure what would be more shocking to me…
That the Yankees have a budget ceiling or that they thought C.J. was so shitty that they shouldn’t even talk to him.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think the latter is going to an extreme.
Maybe they, like the Rangers, had financial issues.
Maybe they, like the Rangers, had a good idea that what they were willing to offer Wilson wasn’t going to be especially competitive with what other teams would offer him.
Maybe it’s some combo.
I do think it’s interesting, though…
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Not exacty apples to apples in teams.
The assumption is always the Yankees have the money to sign anyone no matter what.
And their talent evaluation can’t be too far off 5/77.5 in value… and even if it was… they didn’t pursue him in the slightest.
For the Rangers there was an assumption they can afford him as well… our lack of pursuit has many questioning their money. I don’t care about consensus.
Now I wonder if we should do something similar (even though it sounds crazy) for the Yankees.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I didn't mean it to be a personal challenge.
I agree with you, though I’m also wondering what sort of “budget issues” the Yankees could possibly be facing, in terms of adding, say, $35-40 million (say, Wilson at $18M, and Darvish at $20M) to their payroll. I mean, based on some quick calculations, that would put them at around $225-235M in 2012. Is that really so much more, for the Yankees, than the $205-215M they’ve been spending over the past few seasons?
I guess it could be…
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... or maybe this is further evidence of an MLB governor on the NYY Maybach.
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And then turned around and told the press he was surprised they weren't serious players?
I don’t think so.
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It's actually very easy for me
He’s an Angel.
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 10, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think that's what happened.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So with the posting system...
How do you think it works logistically?
I have this idea of all the interested owners being on Skype together, and in Jeopardy-fashion, they write their bids on a white board and turn them around one-by-one.
Alternatively, fancy envelopes that the Japanese owner opens in some kind of ceremony.
I think everyone has known their bid for a while.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I misread your question...
I saw “whiteboard” and thought you meant the determining how much to bid process.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Definitely the latter.
And it’s supposed to be blind, too, to make sure the highest bid gets accepted no matter which team submitted it.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Makes zero sense for the Mariners
Their ballpark means they shouldn’t have to pay a premium to get good pitching. Instead they need to be excessive to get good hitting.
Ownership does care about the Japanese market though, and
an Ichiro —→ Yu combination/transition is nice.
Granted Im still not sure how much the japanese market actually helps a teams bottom line.
With that logic, they should trade Felix?
I talked about this in another thread, but Ichiro is on his way out.
Also, I found out on Cot’s that they have a Japanese owner—didn’t know that.
I'm not sure what I'd do if I were them
But they are paying a shit-ton for that pitcher at $20M per year, AND the ability (seemingly) to be able to acquire any package of prospects from any other team in baseball.
While putting together a competitive team is priority number 1
I think they still have a responsibility to give their fans SOMETHING to watch, and of course it helps their attendance/tv viewship.
They have to trade Felix at some point, but I don’t know that the package would be enough better now than in a year or two to make it necessary.
They should listen though, if that miracle package is in fact offered.
They should, but if they did, no one would ever go to their games.
I used to live in Seattle and he was pretty much the only thing the fans would get excited about and the big motivation for going to games.
Rangers at 48.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I'm more and more skeptical of this every day.
Sigh.
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I was kind of wondering what would happen if all the teams got together during the winter meetings
and decided the highest bid would be $25 million, and there ended up being six teams with that bid. Is it then up to Darvish to pick which team he wants?
OT: My 2-year old just dropped our iPad roughly 12 feet from a stairway landing.
Now has a giant pixellated band across the screen. Fixable?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Seriously, though: a trip to the nearest Apple Store's probably the best way to go.
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Yeah. About to head out.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Ive got money on you returning with a new iPad 2 if you can afford it
after they offer to repair it for 360 dollars.
ARRRRGHHHHHHHHHHH
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I'm a real cheapskate, until I walk into that store.
It robs me of my will.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I want to figure out a way to do a neuro-imaging study
of folks before, during, and after their trips to Apple Stores.
SCIENCE.
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I'd love to see that.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
You can find someone on ebay to repair it for about $150
or probably someone local for a little more.
I do some ipod repair work, but usually stay away from the ipads because everything is so expensive with them to begin with.
HA!
The iPad. The 2-year old is incorrigible.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Probably not.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Not really, even if you were an expert the parts are very expensive to get
And paying to have it fixed will barely be any cheaper than getting a new updated one with a new warranty and all that.
I assume my prior warranty doesn't cover this sort of event...
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Maybe if you bring your two-year old to the Apple Store with instructions to act very, very cute and regretful.
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He'll have to be physically restrained.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Heh.
Right: it won’t do you any good to get a free replacement if he breaks every other iPad in the store…
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DON'T TALK ABOUT THOSE OTHER PRODUCTS. Must. Stay. Focused.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Oh man.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I really want one of these.
We have a perfect wall for it, in a perfect room. We watch basically zero TV (or, at least, current-run shows), so the bulb’s small hour limit isn’t nearly as big a deal — I figure by the time we actually burned a bulb out, we’d probably be able to buy something better and cheaper, anyhow.
I might hold out to see if there’s anything better coming onto the market in the next few months, but… damn
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Yeah, and the price really isn't that unreasonable.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
its generally one year, and while they used to be generous with replacing user breaks
I think they have a new policy not to since they are offering a higher cost warranty that does.
My ipad 2 has two bent corners with the glass sticking up slightly, Im going to take a shot at getting it replaced for one reason or another before the year is up.
Refurbs?
He’s just going to break the next one too. Eventually.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
iPad refurbs are excellent
They replace the case/glass so its only the internals/battery that are old, and that doesn’t really matter.
I don’t know if iPad 1 refurbs would still be available.
This looks like a good deal
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FC770LL/A
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Is there a nearly indestructible protective cover?
This one had the generic cover on it
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
It's dead pixels in the LCD. You'd have to get that replaced.
It’s probably also not covered by your Apple warranty.
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"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
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Damn
I just signed up for Insider at 19 a week ago.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
That would suck...it's the only reason I subscribe.
I seriously don’t think I read one magazine during my last scrip
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I had to do that a couple years ago.
I don’t think I’m renewing my subscription this year though.
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
MLB Network really hard to stomach right now...they're introducing Pujols and CJ to their fans at LAAAAA Stadium.
“Thank you, Arte”, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap “Thank you, Arte”
Vomit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2011 1:39 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
why would you even watch that?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Fuck, he's probably fapping to it.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Ignoring is going to do what?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
it's not that you're ignoring it
when you know they are already signed, and we know you aren’t ignoring that, but WHY would you watch the introduction?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
wait, Albert and CJ signed with LAAA?
Sorry, I didn’t realize they were a real team. Seeing as they’re stuck in so many levels of A ball
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it" - Thomas Paine
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MikeBacsik
@Evan_P_Grant I’ve heard the Rangers are willing to pay $100 million total for Darvish on a 5 year deal. Posting + Salary
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Hmmm, I'm very skeptical that they'd be willing to do this. We shall see.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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