Washington Nationals sign Andres Blanco
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 16, 2011 5:29 PM CST
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Blanco was purchased by the Rangers from the Chicago Cubs towards the end of spring training in 2010, when the Rangers were scrambling to find a utility infielder in the wake of Khalil Greene's failure to report.
Blanco's calling card was his defense -- he was considered an above-average defender at second base, shortstop, and third base, and that was the skill that Ron Washington indicated he was emphasizing in a utility infielder. His playing time dropped in 2011, however, with Michael Young picking up most of the backup at bats at second and third...Blanco had 316 innings at second base and third base in 2010, but only 37 innings at those two positions in 2011.
Blanco was also hampered by a stress fracture in his back, which limited his playing time late in the season and resulted in his being left off the playoff roster.
The Rangers are still in the market for a utility infielder who can handle shortstop defensively, and will likely have a handful of candidates vying for the job on minor league deals this spring.
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Truly, fare thine well, Mr.White
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Dec 16, 2011 6:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
NOOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOooo...
well, alright.
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by slc ranger on Dec 16, 2011 5:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
It's too bad
He just didn’t have the balance that Henry Blanco had
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partay at ryno's
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by Ryin A on Dec 16, 2011 5:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Not sure if serious
But I want this to happen.
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
by Chewtoy123 on Dec 16, 2011 6:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Someone finally explained to Bowden how this process works
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
Commish Office will not inform bidding clubs on Darvish until Hokkaido Nippon-Ham Fighters officially accept highest bid…best guess Tues.
Also…
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
Favorites heading into the weekend based on industry consensus: Beltran -STL; Darvish -Tor; Gio – TX; Fielder – CHC; Saunders -Det;
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm pretty sure
no one has any fucking clue who won. I just want to see everyone embarrassed at this point.
Also, we should sign Carlos Beltran.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
This is improvement from Bowden. This morning he tweeted Toronto was the winner like a fact and half the world ran with it.
I agree on Beltran…
What do you think about trading for Gio? We spent 400 comments on it this morning.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm against it
In case anyone is wondering
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 16, 2011 6:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think it is stupid
especially since teams who do stupid things – ie Nationals – seem to look at the price for him and say “wow, that’s stupid high.”
I don’t understand the fascination with him beyond the fact that he’s a guy who’s available and controlled for a long time. He’s like that rebound girl. A rebound girl that people are apparently happy to settle for BEFORE being dumped, by the way.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Well I doubt any deal is made until Darvish posting winer is announced.
He just turned 26 and put up mid 3 WAR years in his first two full seasons.
I think if his name was Derek Holland people here would like him a lot more.
Walks a lot and pitches in a pitcher friendly park… but four years of team control for a guy about to hit his prime is a lot of surplus value who has the potential to be very good if his walks go down. Which for guys who can stick as 200 IP pitchers happens a lot. When I pulled the comps for the C.J. article, about half of the 9+% walk rate guys with 400 IP and at least one full season as a starter were able to drop their walk rate significantly.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So let's say that it's best case scenario
and Gio improves like his comparable players. You’re saying you’re willing to give up 6 years of Martin Perez + at least another guy for a 50% chance that the guy you trade for might be good?
Plus, a guy like that has a ceiling sure, but GIo Gonzalez sure as hell has a floor. And that plummet to the floor can be pretty damn steep. He’s 26, still on the periphery of that injury nexus. He pitched in a awful park, in front of a great defense. Add to the fact that his fielding independent numbers have at their best been 2nd starter good, I’d be extremely wary of paying Billy Beane a gaggle of prospects for a guy whose best years have been decent, but not great. The cost vs. the expected payoff is pretty damn poor with a guy like Gio Gonzalez.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I think he's good now.
And yes he has a floor… but I think that floor is higher than any of our other five guys in the rotation for 2012.
And the 50% is a chance for him to be great… C.J. Wilson in 2011 great.
A’s defense was awful last year. I think our infield would be a very big improvement.
I also see value in 4 years of Gio right now instead of 6+ years for a guy who’s ceiling isn’t that tremendous amount higher than what Gio is right now and who’s floor is much lower.
If Martin Perez comes up and posts the 8-9 K/9 and 4 BB/9 with a fair amount of ground balls like Gio… are you disappointed? And how soon would you see that happening?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Let me also say... if we don't trade for Gio I have no problem.
But I can absolutely see why they would.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Funny story
Gio Gonzalez actually threw less pitches in the strike zone in 2011 vs. 2010. The Difference was that he had a slight uptick in velocity and people were missing his pitches 4% more vs. 2010.
If you equalize Gio’s HR rate to 10%, which is what it was on the road last year, he becomes pretty close to 2010 Gio. I don’t think it’s a smart move.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
You say Gio Gonzalez's numbers have been #2 starter good
Isn’t that Martin Perez’s ceiling?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 16, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
Realistic ceiling?
Probably. But Gio has exactly 1 year of #s that can be described as such. If you can realistically say – 2011 Gio Gonzalez is THE Gio Gonzalez going forward and he’s immune to the forces of regression or injury or just plain going from a HR suppressing to a HR conducive park, trading for Gio Gonzalez might not be a bad idea. BUt at the end of the day, he’s a guy who’s had 400 innings with a stable, high walk rate, a guy who has never been known for throwing strikes or clean mechanics, and you’d have to give up at least 1 good and 1 decent prospect to get him.
I think there’s way too many ifs in that scenario to make a trade tenable. For it to work out, alot more things have to go right than wrong.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
that is part of my issue
Gonzalez benefits from pitching in Oak. Do we seriously believe what he has done is sustainable in the ballpark.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
He's actually been better on the road for his career
Allows less FB’s, gets more GB’s.
"So your black people can't make sandwiches?" - GFF typo
He was in 2010, not in 2011
here’s the thing about Gio – the only thing that has been consistent about him is the 4 bb/9
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
He's been a 20% strikeout guy as well...
And he was only 25 years old a couple of months ago. He’s basically 11 months older than Derek Holland.
He’s entering his prime… no reason to think he can’t do better (though no reason to EXPECT it either)
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He's also 2 mph slower
under control for less time and will cost you a whole boatload of prospects.
The thing is – all we have to do to have Derek Holland is to keep him. If we had to give away Martin Perez+ for Derek Holland, he suddenly becomes a whole heck of a lot less desirable.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
What do you think the chances are...
…that Martin Perez becomes as good a pitcher as Gio Gonzalez?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 16, 2011 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
Which Gio Gonzalez?
Really, given what Gio was and what Martin is now, I’d say a whole lot closer than a lot of people seem to think.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Do you need a hard number?
I think he has enough of a chance where if you trade him, you should aim higher than Gio Gonzalez.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Not really worth talking about.
I don’t think he’s available in a realistic sense.
What about you?
What’s your feel on the Gio front?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'd probably trade Perez for him.
I’m not sure this team will be patient enough with Perez to allow him to develop into his ceiling. If they pull the same shit with Perez that they did with Holland for the first couple of years, I’d rather they go ahead and deal him now and save me the hassle of caring.
I quite like Gio too. As I’ve said, I’m a simple man who looks for IP, K/9 and GB%. His walk rate sucks but it’s not out of the question for him to get it in the 3’s somewhere.
I think they should keep Perez in AAA
for 2 more years.
Let him hone those 3 pitches, and bring him up ready to go, and keep him from ages 22/23 – 28/29
Give him a $13M Matt Moore-esque extension if he looks like he’s going to have it, and he has way more value than Gio brings back in his 4 arb years at that price.
I doubt that happens.
I’ll guess Perez will be in the bullpen at some point either this year or the next. I assume after they let Colby go next year, and depending on whether Feliz/Ogando fall on their faces this year, he’ll have a shot at the rotation.
I have no interest in signing him to a Matt Moore contract. He is not nor will he ever be as good as Matt Moore, so the reward aspect is greatly diminished.
This
no one is going to make a young SP with ace potential available unless you pay a lot more than they’re worth.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Not necessarily a hard number
But an idea of what you think the likelihood is.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 16, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
40-70 percent?
I don’t know, I think the chances of that trade really hurting you is greater than the chance it works out.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Holland+
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Even if you were willing to go Perez + Olt for Gio
(which is nuts, to me)
Why wouldn’t you rather do that for a guy like Niese, and send the good prospects to the NL?
Niese has 4 years left and a lower projected FIP next year.
I don't think Niese is really available.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 16, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
Projected by whom?
That’s an interesting contrast, though, since Niese has consistently had high BABIPs that make his ERA worse than his FIP, and Gonzalez is the other way around.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 16, 2011 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think the James projections have much value
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 16, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
Do people really use Bill James projections?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
We all know who does
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
The quote I saw posted had him saying they had until Tuesday to agree to a contract
Laughable. The guy was a GM when Matsuzaka was posted..
I agree with this.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
ugh, I want no part of Gio and what it would cost
As though he is a TORP. If these things happen….I don’t know what I would do but I would be angry, very angry.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Not a huge improvement
Huge cost
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 16, 2011 6:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Andres Blanco
My favorite UIF ever.
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 16, 2011 6:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Hey, I coined that one too!
:)
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Dec 16, 2011 6:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
DeRo is a close second
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 16, 2011 7:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Keep pointing in Washington baby
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Hey Rhads, a Bob Seger segment is an instant tune out
He fucking sucks.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Dec 16, 2011 7:01 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Not true.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 16, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So true
But you acknowledge and argue with the troll that AJM does not have the balls to permoban…so, you go on the ignore list also.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Dec 16, 2011 8:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I won't listen to the Ticket for 2 weeks.
Nothing but spares on their now. Doocy is funny at time, but my god Rhadz sucks. Even at radio.
by TheGritMaster on Dec 16, 2011 10:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We signed Alberto Gonzalez a little while ago
He’s probably your new UIF unless they pick up someone like Keppinger.
"So your black people can't make sandwiches?" - GFF typo
:'(
:’(
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 16, 2011 7:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Indeed....fare thee well, Mr White....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 16, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
fangraphs has an article up about Holland getting an extension
The three pitchers that signed before their final year of cost control (like Holland’s situation right now) all received a $30 million payout over five guaranteed years, with a $13 million
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/derek-holland-rangers-talking-extension/
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@castrovince Anthony Castrovince
There are reports in Japan that the top bid for Yu Darvish was 37 million yen (about $48M U.S.). Not confirmed. #BlueJays
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
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castrovince Anthony Castrovince
OK, let’s try this again: There are reports in Japan that the top bid for Yu Darvish was 3.7 billion yen, or roughly $48M U.S. Unconfirmed.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Wasn't there a report that the Rangers bid about $49 mil?
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 16, 2011 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
Not a report
an Evan Grant guess
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
He put Michael Young in the convo
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 16, 2011 8:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Man, I wish I knew the Darvish outcome already
If $48 million really is the number. Then what is the hold up in Japan? Let’s go!
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
Now that its taken this long
I’d be shocked if they really don’t wait until the deadline.
Of course, the actual deadline is early morning in Japan… so… maybe Tuesday morning ET?
My theory
The Nippon Ham Fighters are ran by a bunch of ninnis.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
ugh....failure on my part.....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 16, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
Gavin Floyd
could you headline a package with Olt to get him?
Olt, Borbon, Scheppers …. would that get him? He looks like he might be a better pitcher than Gio, and while he’s under contract and reasonable for the next 2 seasons…
"I think we just have to wait and see how things shake its way out," -- Wash
he's arguably better than Gio and wouldn't cost nearly as much?
"I think we just have to wait and see how things shake its way out," -- Wash
I'd like to hear the case that Gio is better than Gavin actually
I get that Gio has extra value cause of the extra couple years of control, but as for which will be better over the next couple years, looks like Floyd is the better pitcher.
"I think we just have to wait and see how things shake its way out," -- Wash
I'd like to hear the case that we need another mid level starter
I still have yet to hear a good argument to bring in a Gio or Gavin type pitcher. If we don’t get Yu, we shouldn’t bring in a starting pitcher this season. Stand pat, wait till the crop of free agent pitchers next season.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it" - Thomas Paine
by Eric Prince on Dec 16, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
it is a pretty simple case to make
A rotation of
2 / 2 / 3 / 3 / 4
is better than
2 / 3 / 3 / 4 / 5
especially when the stronger rotation adds an arm like Feliz or Ogando to the BP.
"I think we just have to wait and see how things shake its way out," -- Wash
I agree.
I think he comes back strong if he comes back healthy.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
does anyone actually think yu darvish is going to be good in the mlb?
the blue jays are going to go broke trying to pay someone who won’t even help them contend.
Bobby Valentine
said Darvish will be a top 5 starter in MLB.
"I think we just have to wait and see how things shake its way out," -- Wash
Yes.
I absolutely do.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
Source: Yu Darvish still does not know which team placed the winning bid nor its size. Nippon Ham keeping information very tight, too.
The age of Twitter has failed us...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 16, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck that guy.
He’s been strutting like a peacock all day.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
isn't it almost better to be the supposed bridesmaid?
Imagine how Toronto fans will feel when we actually are the high bid…
Conversely if we end up not winning, it won’t be as disappointing to me because now I’m just expecting that all the smoke about the BJs must mean something.
"I think we just have to wait and see how things shake its way out," -- Wash
starting to hate the thought of trading for Gio
Sign Oswalt for 1/15 and try to nurse him thru 150 regular season ip and have him healthy in Sept/Oct. Farm system remains entirely intact.
Gio just has so much of his value tied to the fact that he is cheap and controllable for 4 years. That should be more appealing to a true small market team that is budget strapped. I’d rather keep prospect powder dry and go with Oswalt, Holland, Colby, Harrison, Ogando/Feliz/Feldman and the depth at the back end of the bullpen and that is a pitching staff I would be comfortable with.
Trade for Thornton, sign Prince and badaboom..
"I think we just have to wait and see how things shake its way out," -- Wash
I'd rather sign Oswalt than trade for Gio too...
but not for 15 mil. Give him 7 or 8 mil with incentives.
His health still scares me.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Nice catch Blanco Nino...
I always wanted to post this for him, but never found the opportunity
Blanco Nino
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Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
Quick Darvish facts. There is a high bid. Nippon Ham knows $$$, but not team. No bidding teams know if they’ve won or lost.
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
More Darvish Facts: I’ve spoken to multiple teams that have bid, the most informative quote I’ve gotten is "we feel our bid is competitive"
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
That's a very Rangers-y sounding quote...
Also, that’s some refreshing honesty for where we are in this situation rather than coming up with a new way of saying “we know nothing” but then speculating and finding your speculation becoming headlines used as fact.
Thank you, Goldstein.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 16, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
We're all getting trolled...
MLB and all the teams had a meeting and said, “Let’s not leak anything and watch ’em go nuts.”
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 17, 2011 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
Wait-- leak something about a team going crazy and bidding high.
Choose somebody that doesn’t matter … the Jays!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
BTW, EG never leaked that the Rangers bid 49+ million.
That was one thing that stuck out to me yesterday. That came from somewhere, but it wasn’t EG. Not as far as I know.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
he said he believes the Rangers bid was in the high 40MM
which is werid, ‘cause nobody w/ the Rangers would tell him anything; so, i guess he just copied someone else’s tweet?
That oddly specific number of 3.7 billion yen is what I'm talking about.
And you’re right, EG admitted this morning he had no idea what was going on.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Which is weird, because I don't know of any place he actually said that number.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
what i don't get is
why Evan would even put out there that the Rangers probably bid in the 40s. where did he get that number? did he just pull that out of his ass?
with what he does as a columnist, i thought he only reported in absolutes and not speculation. But, maybe that is TR i’m thinking of…
What I don't get is why EG threw the "whopper" thing out there one day
And then admitted the next that he had heard somewhere between jack and shit.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
And it doesn't even make sense to throw anyone off the trail anymore...
the bids are already in.
Seriously, MLB is just fuckin’ with us.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 17, 2011 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
The Drama!
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Dec 17, 2011 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
It's really sad how bad Grant has become.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
they probably misread $40 million as $48 million and converted to yen
That, or when they were typing in the conversion, they hit 8 instead of 0.
3.7 billion yen is about 48 million dollars.
So I doubt it is a transcription error.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Right, so someone read EG's post of $40million
thought it was $48million and when converting $48 million got 3.7 billion.
And since the Jays bid a "whopper" that must mean they've won...
And that’s where we’re at.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 17, 2011 12:28 AM CST up reply actions
My gut feeling is that the Rangers might have outbid the Jays
but don’t want to let any hint of that out so there’s no chance of Nippon backing out on the off chance that Darvish had told them he doesn’t want to go to Texas “where all the racists are”. But if Nippon does accept, Darvish would feel more obligated to Nippon to work out a deal so they get the money.
(It'd be pretty shitty, though)
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 17, 2011 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
See, e.g., Napoli, Mike
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
It's probably weird to say this
But I hadn’t really considered that the Japanese team hasn’t officially accepted yet while we’re all supposedly sitting here knowing what the team is.
Darvish could potentially (though I don’t think he would) say “Fuck the Blue Jays. I’m not signing there for anything.” Defeats the purpose of the blind bid process to let it leak like that.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I think whatever leak there was on the Blue Jays end might have really been someone in their office speculating
I read that only two people AA and the assistant GM even knew what the bid was, and I doubt they’d leak and risk screwing things up. It doesn’t really matter how small a chance it would be for a leak to affect the outcome, when you’re dealing with such a large amount of money and significant opportunity, you’d probably want to take every precaution not to screw it up.
Where did you read that?
I’d like to see it if you can recall.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I think it was on mlbtr, but it may have been a tweet by passan or goldstein
or one of the other more respected guys that don’t talk much out of their ass.
found it
it was from the Yu Darvish Nightwatch thread. This is the link to the comment with the quoted piece of an article by Bob Elliot of the Toronto Sun, but there was no link to the actual article
Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun is keeping track of the latest Yu Darvish rumblings, saying that the perception is that the Jays outbid both the Rangers and Yankees for his rights, though it’s unclear what the Cubs, Giants, or Mariners may have bid. The view that the Jays have topped both the Yankees and Rangers is, he says, "shared by half a dozen front offices, but no one at 1 Blue Jays Way is talking. "
"I was told Rogers Communications said: ‘Whatever it costs, sign him,’ " an executive told Elliott. "Only Paul Beeston and Alex Anthopoulos know the number on the bid in baseball operations," the executive added.
It sounds precisely like what George King reported earlier in the New York Post, and while I don’t think ownership would have made a statement like that without a strong on-field case having been made for signing Darvish, it’s intriguing that Rogers may be so interested in bringing in a player like this. It makes sense. Fingers crossed. But it also makes for some great PR for an ownership group with an image problem.
I wonder if that directive from Rogers Communications came down right about the time we suddenly and publicly ran out of money?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
So if the Jays are saying "Whatever it costs, sign him"...
and Evan Grant thinks the Rangers didn’t go above $40-$49 million, then…
Print those Jays probably won articles, writers!
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 17, 2011 1:12 AM CST up reply actions
It could be the Nippon team is holding off officially accepting it
in hopes of there being a definitive leak on the winning team before the deadline. From their standpoint it would probably make them “lose face” to accept the bid then have Darvish not sign.
Darvish will sign.
I don’t think any of the teams linked to him bid to be obstructionary.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Right.
But he doesn’t have any leverage if he truly wants to come over now. They can’t choose a different team for him to sign with this year.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I saw he would be willing to just play one more year in Japan
then come over next year as an unrestricted free agent
Said that it *was* high 40s or that he guesses high 40s?
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
Maybe someone in the FO told him before Yu was posted
Like maybe someone told him where they’d be comfortable bidding, before the process was even underway.
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
Rumor was that they didn't even know they were going to bid until that day, though.
With the weird ownership meeting.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I'd say a mystery team bid from the White Sox could be believable
Also, my guess is that there are only 6 people that know what the Rangers bid, JD, Thad, Nolan, Bob, Ray and the guy in the MLB office collecting all the bids. I’m betting not one of those guys is going to leak the information.
The White Sox are shedding everyone right now.
Major rebuilding mode.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
thorrrrnton
Trade Robbie Ross + Borbon and take $3M/yr of salary
by Jobu. on Dec 17, 2011 9:49 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
a question about the bidding process
do teams see the other bids and keep bidding or do they just throw in one number and hope it lands the player?
nope, no one knows anyone elses bids
only MLB knows them all
when daisuke was posted
The red sox won with 51M. The next closest was something like 37M
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I thought it was 28 mil as the second highest
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it" - Thomas Paine
I think our bid was 28M
But we weren’t the next highest, actually the mets bid was 39M. We were around fourth in that bidding, and at a point through that process we were expected to win much like the jays.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
when was this interview
It doesn’t much matter where he likes, he doesn’t have leverage. All the talk about him being willing to play another year in Japan is all fine and good but if he does go back because he squabbled over a couple million in his contract, he would have cost his team a possible 50M. If he gets posted a 2nd time next year, teams aren’t going to be as desperate for starters (there are more on the market) and it is unlikely he gets the same kind of bid, imo. As much as I would like Darvish, I’d rather go after Fielder then Greinke via trade this season, or via FA next season.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
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Wtf. Meant for comment below
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
It's okay. It was a good comment anyway.
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
I don't like his dad
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 17, 2011 9:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Elvis is going to really have to pick up the horsing around slack now.
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