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The Impact of Yu Darvish

So, the Rangers have won the rights to Yu Darvish, with a bid of $51.7 million. They now have 30 days to negotiate a deal with Darvish. I expect that on January 18, 2012, there will be a fair amount of angst over the fact that Darvish hasn't signed, with people tweeting that Darvish is prepared to go back to Japan if he doesn't get what he wants, columnists writing that the Rangers may not be able to sign him, and similar drama.

And then he'll sign at the 11th hour, and all the drama will have been for naught, and we'll move forward.

So let's assume now that Darvish signs. That raises several questions...

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Where does Yu Darvish slot into the rotation?

I don't know that we can say definitively at this point that Yu Darvish would be the team's Opening Day starter...in fact, at this point, were I to guess as to who I think the Opening Day starter will be, I might say Colby Lewis, rather than Darvish. This isn't a reflection of Darvish's talent, but rather, an acknowledgement of the fact that Darvish is coming to a new country, pitching in a new league, and will be the subject of an immense amount of focus and attention. I don't think it would be unreasonable for the Rangers to decide he'll pitch Game 2 or Game 3 of the regular season, giving him a chance to get a little more acclimated and experience a regular season game on the bench before being thrust out there on the mound.

That being said, the Rangers don't make the sort of financial commitment that Darvish requires if they don't think he's a legit number one. The Rangers are acquiring Darvish with the idea that he'll be that ever-elusive ace, the guy who would pitch Game One of a playoff series. He may pitch Opening Day, he may pitch Game 2 on Saturday, or Game 3 on Sunday (and who knows...from a marketing perspective, the Rangers may prefer him going on Game 3, since he'll generate more buzz and more ticket sales, and the first two games are likely to be sellouts anyway).

But he's joining the team to be the #1 starter.

Who gets bumped from the rotation to make room for Darvish?

Good question. Marc Normandin examines the issue at SBN Baseball this morning, and narrows it down to Matt Harrison or Alexi Ogando, who I think are viewed as the most likely candidates to lose their rotation spots.

I think there are three likely scenarios: either Colby Lewis, Matt Harrison, or Derek Holland get traded, Alexi Ogando gets sent back to the bullpen, or Neftali Feliz goes to the minors to work on transitioning back to a starting pitcher.

Taking the last one first, Feliz to AAA would seem to be the least likely of those scenarios to come to pass. In a theoretical world, it probably makes a lot of sense, since Feliz hasn't started regularly since early in the 2009 season, and letting him spend the first half of the season getting used to the heavier workload and working on his offspeed pitches could make him better equipped to perform going forward, along with potentially postponing his free agency eligibility until after 2016.

On the other hand, we're talking about real people here...Feliz was supposedly already very affected by his 9th inning blown save in Game 6 of the World Series, he's a former Rookie of the Year and one of your best pitchers, and sending him down to the minors could deal a blow to his psyche and send a bad message to the rest of the club. It would be difficult, from a p.r. standpoint (both with the fans and the players), to send Feliz out.

Ogando back to the pen is an intriguing option. His repertoire is more reliever-like than starter-like...according to Pitch f/x, Ogando threw his fastball and slider a combined 95.7% of the time in 2011, making him, essentially, a two pitch pitcher. He seems to profile as the type of pitcher who is better out of the pen than as a starter. And while he had a successful season in 2011 as a starting pitcher, he slumped in the second half of the season, losing command and seemingly wearing down as the year went on. There's also questions about his mechanics, and whether his body can hold up to the wear and tear of starting every fifth day season after season.

Then there's the trade option. Lewis has one year left before he can become a free agent, and given that he's owed just $3.25 million for 2012, he would be an attractive trade target for a team looking for a cheap, reliable veteran starter for their rotation. On the other hand, dealing Lewis would mean going with three pitchers (Holland, Harrison and Ogando) entering their second full season as major league starters, and two pitchers (Feliz and Darvish) who have never started a major league game. I suspect the Rangers are going to want Lewis's veteran presence in the rotation.

Holland and Harrison are in similar situations...Harrison is arbitration eligible and is under team control for just three years, while Holland is not arb-eligible and has four years of team control remaining, but they are both pitchers who profile as solid mid-rotation starters, and who now have experience performing in playoff races and in the postseason. When you look at the type of return Trevor Cahill and Mat Latos have generated, you have to wonder if the Rangers might not quietly be shopping Harrison or Holland, seeing if a team is willing to give up a substantial prospect package for one of the Rangers' spare starters.

At this point, my guess is that Ogando goes back to the bullpen, where he joins Joe Nathan, Mike Adams, Mark Lowe, and Koji Uehara as part of one of the deepest and most potent bullpens in baseball. But I also suspect that Ogando will work as a starter this spring, and will be ready and prepared to be in the Opening Day rotation if another starter goes down.

How much better does this make the Rangers?

Richard Durrett, at the ESPN Dallas blog, summarizes and excerpts a piece by Dan Szymborski behind the ESPN paywall regarding what ZiPS thinks of Darvish. In essence, ZiPS pegs Darvish as roughly a 4.5 WAR pitcher for each of the next five years. That's better than what anyone currently in the Ranger rotation likely projects to, but it is also a downgrade from the 5.9 fWAR C.J. Wilson gave the Rangers last season.

The problem, however, as Szymborski points out, is that there's so little data about pitchers transitioning from Japan to the U.S. that it is much harder to project how a Japanese pitcher will perform going forward, compared to a pitcher already playing in the States, be it in the majors or in the minors. There's a certain amount of culture shock involved, with players leaving the country they've lived in all their life to come to a foreign country with a strange language and different customs. Some players can handle that better than others.

Darvish is a rock star in Japan -- Kevin Goldstein says he is a bigger star in Japan than any athlete in America -- and there seems to be a sense that his personality and ability to deal with the limelight will allow him to make the adjustment better than some other pitchers who have tried to make the transition.

The Rangers clearly think that Darvish can be a 5-7 WAR pitcher going forward, and it wouldn't shock me if he performed at that level. If that's the case, the Rangers have made a significant upgrade to their rotation, and re-established themselves as the favorites in the A.L. West.

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what would we be trading one of holland, lewis, harrison for?

a viable CFer or 1b ???

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by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 20, 2011 11:07 AM CST reply actions  

Wouldn't a 1b make more sense?

We have Martin at CF preparing for his time in the bigs.

by RangersfaninROK on Dec 20, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

You can never have enough CFs

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by Gdawg on Dec 20, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I imagine if they shopped Harrison, they could get Morrison and more. Or Rizzo and more. Etc etc.
Harrison is very good and controllable.

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by Conjunction on Dec 20, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Holland untouchable

IMO

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by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

i wouldnt say untouchable.. but I would want to be wow'd to move him

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by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 20, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, probably

For a young OF bat who’s also untouchable

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by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

They will laugh in our face

and turn away, look back at us, and then laugh some more.

Then they will say no.

by RangersfaninROK on Dec 20, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's hope the Reds tank and think about dealing Bruce or Votto

Obviously, we can’t get either of those guys with Holland or Harrison centerpiecing the deal.

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I doubt they'd deal Votto now that they've dealt Alonso

Wouldn’t be shocked if they try and lock him up long term actually

by bigsteve on Dec 20, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Saddening.

I think you’re right though. Are there any cost-controlled hitters even out there?

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Why will signing him take so long?

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by jam0152 on Dec 20, 2011 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

Same reason it takes so long to sign draft picks.

There is a deadline out there and no incentive to sign before it.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

And the same reason it took so long for them to announce us the winners of Yu Darvish Sweepstakes.

I’m already getting ready for all kinds of rumors flying about in the Twitterverse about us and Yu.

by RangersfaninROK on Dec 20, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

If lawyers are involved

It will take time, bet on it

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by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

So you're telling me there's no way around the next 30 days of people posting

“OK, I’m ready for the Rangers to sign Yu”?

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by jam0152 on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Because I was recently reading about Tunisia, probably.

And it seemed nice and far away from baseball right now.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Because that's where the polar bears end up.

Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.

by Chewtoy123 on Dec 20, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Shhhhhhhh.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a LOST joke.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

/fp

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by Rodney on Dec 20, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

And in Northern Africa, which means it's cold and icy during the winter months, much like New England.

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Or, say, Hudson Bay.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

More than that, don't expect any Rangers' news at all for the next 30 days

as pretty much every other transaction, (short of contract extensions), gets put on hold until Yu signs.

by MikeEl on Dec 20, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Because each side wants to hold out for the best deal possible.

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by slc ranger on Dec 20, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

The only leverage Darvish's team will have

is the threat of him going back to Japan. This danger of his walking away increases as they get closer to the deadline without signing. That would encourage the Rangers’ team to offer more money and/or years as the 30 days run out, in the hopes that a sweetened offer will secure a signature. It’s basically inevitable – it’s why opposing negotiators don’t pick the exact middle between their two positions and agree right away – but none of that happens without exhausting the entirety of the alloted time.

by bafusilier on Dec 20, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Moving Ogando to the pen is the logical choice.

Rotation: Colby, Holland, Yu, Harrison, Feliz
Pen: Nathan, Ogando, Adams, Koji, Feldman, 2 LH(DO, & Gonzalez)
Depth on the farm: Lowe, Tosh, Perez, NeRa

This plan has quality depth/options in case of injury or performance issues.

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by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

Where did Yoshi go?

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm a big fan of keeping the depth

You want a stout bullpen to hedge the variability of the talented but not-so-predictable rotation. And you have quality injury insurance in Ogando and Feldman.

Lots of upside while helping support your floor, keep the depth unless the return is very juicy.

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by t ball on Dec 20, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Amazing to be able to say...

“Lots of upside while helping support your floor, keep the depth unless the return is very juicy.”
about the Rangers pitching and be serious. Thank you JD/Nolan and owners.

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by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

That's my opinion as well

Roll with what they got with Ogando to the pen. Depth mitigates injuries and if someone calls and really wants someone they listen but no reason to actively shop anyone more aggresively than normal.

Feliz is still my main concern. I would say I probably doubt Feliz’s ability to smoothly transition into a starter more than anyone here.

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by WyoRanger on Dec 20, 2011 12:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Totally, 100% agree.

I’m rooting for success (duh!), but not expecting it like most here. I don’t think his stuff translates at all, especially when he dials back the fastball as a starter.

What happens when Feliz is only giving you 3+ innings of wild, high pitch-count baseball (ala Rich Harden)? How quickly do people call for Ogando and Feliz to switch roles?

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by Midnight Sun on Dec 20, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

wouldn't it make sense to let Oliver go to get the supp. pick?

given that picks will be so hard to come by after next year

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by Baseball North on Dec 20, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

We still need LHRP options and DO fits.

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by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Marteen called up for the 'pen in June?

let him build up his sexyness in the pen like Buerhle and Johan did

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by Baseball North on Dec 20, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed but we still need LH until then.

Make Perez earn the promotion and push the vet out.

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by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

ya, makes sense

what type of return are the Sox looking for in Thornton? salary dump?

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by Baseball North on Dec 20, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Just guessing here but...

Olt or NeRa plus 2 lower prospects would be about the price.

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by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Way too much for Thornton

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by Brian Thomas on Dec 20, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

From what perspective?

Chicago is going to ask for one prospect in the top 10 from any team. I doubt they get a teams top prospect but the price is going to be someone with value.

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by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Top 75 prospects don't get moved for overly expensive setup men in the winter too often

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by Brian Thomas on Dec 20, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Correct.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Take a look at Thornton's age and salary.

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

No way no how

He’ll draw a larger prospect, obviously, if they eat the salary.

But Thornton at $6M per year over the next 2 years, is not going to get that much in terms of prospects.

Neither Olt nor NeRa should be involved.

by Jobu. on Dec 20, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Loogy's aren't a must have

I’d rather have a great righty out there than a mediocre lefty. Come trade deadline, getting a loogy becomes more needed, assuming we’re in the hunt.

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by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Considering the rest of the pen

having 1 or 2 LH’s just makes sense.
While I agree they are not a must have… they sure are useful at times.
Is DO a Loogy in your opinion?

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by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

It makes sense

but its something you can get by without especially in the early parts of the season where you are still basically auditioning guys in the rotation and bullpen.

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by Gdawg on Dec 20, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Oliver isn't a LOOGY.

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by Brian Thomas on Dec 20, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

both.

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by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Finance or Roster room?

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by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I am not 100% on which of the relievers

still have minor league options or if we have room on the 40.

So you may be correct. I would still prefer 2 LHRP if possible.

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by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

D.O.

Let him go, get a pick, and you get the added benefit of not having to watch Wash misuse him.

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

you're assuming that oliver wouldn't accept arbitration

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by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Now more than ever

In Nolan and JD I trust

Whether Feliz is ready for the rotation yet is still in question IMO. Until he does it, we won’t know. I’ll let Nolan and the Maddux brothers worry about that. Colby the most tradeable, a solid innings eater with a low salary. Besides, I want to keep the young guys, every one of them. Hate to see Colby go too because he’s been solid though when it counts.

Assuming Moreland is healthy, or main need is a young corner OF, since Josh and or Nelly aren’t going to be around in the future.

Locking up Kins and Napoli would be nice. Profar will be set to take SS just as Elvis gets expensive.

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by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

Considering Wash's love for veterans

I would doubt we trade Colby. Harrison makes the most sense to me if we were to trade a pitcher.

by RangersfaninROK on Dec 20, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Harry is making minmum

and Colby is a FA next year I think.

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by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

So we can receive a bigger haul with Harry

His trade value is very high right now, you must admit.

by RangersfaninROK on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, but I don't think we are going to trade

our post-season wins leader. Wash/Nolan are going to want some veteran grittiness at the head of this thing.

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by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh crap. Responded in the wrong place.

I agree with you though. I don’t want to lose Harry either. Harry developed some consistency that could be very helpful not only next year but in 2013 when Colby likely leaves in FA.

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by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Thought it was a bit weird

you saying someting about post season win leader.

At least we agree :)

by RangersfaninROK on Dec 20, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't make sense

He’ll be an FA after next year anyway. Get a year of Colby’s veteranocity and playoffariness, then let him walk.

by nivarsity on Dec 20, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Wash doesn't make decisions on who is dealt.

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by slc ranger on Dec 20, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

He doesn't make decisions that's true

but I think it’s fair to assume he at least has some say in it.

by RangersfaninROK on Dec 20, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

heh JBL is going to be pissed

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't really want to trade Colby....I suspect he will be better than last

season and they need him in the PS rotation.

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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 20, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

4.5 WAR projection

I think it’s important to note that it’s doubtful Wilson projects better than that over the next 5 years. If I were projecting CJ Wilson, I’d project maybe 4.5 for 2012 and then a gradual decline of .5 WAR per year, which means about 4-5 WAR less than Darvish over that time.

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by t ball on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 AM CST reply actions  

Top ten pitchers with the highest WAR for the last five seasons

Roy Halladay 35.2
CC Sabathia 33.5
Justin Verlander 29.2
Dan Haren 28.3
Tim Lincecum 27.9
Cliff Lee 27.9
Felix Hernandez 26.3
Zack Greinke 25.9
Josh Beckett 22.7
Jered Weaver 21.7

If Darvish averages 4.5 WAR for the next 5 seasons, the total will add up to 22.5 WAR at the end of that five year period. That will put him in a league of very elite pitchers.

by RangersfaninROK on Dec 20, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

9+ WAR in 2009 is a lot.

And his MEH seasons are still better than you think.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

ugly W-L total, but still a great FIP, which I believe is the input for fangraphs WAR if that was what was being used.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 20, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

CJ will likely have a great year

but on average, he’s at the age where the decline should be starting. Yu, knock on wood, is entering his prime.

I also suspect the higher mound will benefit Yu more than most Japanese pitchers who are tend to be sidewinders. With You’s high arm mechanics, the higher mound likely means more velocity.

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by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

He has been pitching in the pros for 7 years

and thrown a ton of innings… so that’s probably a higher mileage 25 year old arm than usual.

But I don’t feel like being any kind of naysayer right now, so I’m going to call that seasoning on a perfectly aged piece of steak.

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by jam0152 on Dec 20, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

That's actually a good point you make there

but I don’t think we are allowed to say anything negative at this moment about Yu. So yeah, seasoning on a perfectly aged piece of steak it is.

by RangersfaninROK on Dec 20, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

but how high stress were those innings

given his proclivity at avoiding baserunners? I’m not that worried about it.

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by t ball on Dec 20, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Lots and lots of pitches.

It’s a concern, but not a huge one, especially given the raves about his mechanics…

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

A 25 year old pitcher in our farm system

would’ve thrown a lot of innings too. His mechanics and the fact that he’s coming off his best year makes me think there is probably plenty of tread on the tires. Plus with Japanese hitters, and the way he can locate, he can afford to nibble, then go after guys when he has to. He’s going to have to be more aggressive now.

Prediction… His ERA will rise about 2, but it won’t hit 3.5.

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by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

WAR projections tend to be bearish

And it’s hard as hell to project Darvish, anyway.

by nivarsity on Dec 20, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

less than zero

Simpson and co. would not put up that posting fee if they had no intentions of signing him. They want him, we want him, and weez a gunna get him, sucka!

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by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 20, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

If it goes down to the wire

Nolan headlock.

Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?

by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Threaten him with a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick.

He’s from Japan, he doesn’t know any better…

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by utlonghorn24 on Dec 20, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Won't his team back home put alot of pressure on him to sign?

I thought i read somewhere that they put alot of pressure on them b/c they obviously want $51+ million and there’s no guarantee it’ll be any higher than that a year from now (plus time value of money and all that stuff).

Go big or go home!!

by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

lets see Yu doesn't sign and has to go back to Japan next year

when can he repost again? do they make him sit out 2-3 years or posts again in 2012?

Seňor Octubre

by Baseball North on Dec 20, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

He can repost next year, but not again this year

Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.

by Chewtoy123 on Dec 20, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd say 5% - 10%.

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by slc ranger on Dec 20, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

To put it in lamens terms : This is heavy, Doc.

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by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 20, 2011 11:25 AM CST reply actions  

DELETE

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by jam0152 on Dec 20, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's not do this...

I love Yu as much as the next guy, but too much skin is too much skin.

by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 20, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

bbtia is the gay Ranger site

somebody post a hottie now so I can explain my hard on

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by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Trading Holland wouldn't seem to make sense

considering we were working on a 5-year extension with him, right?

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by cmkelly29 on Dec 20, 2011 11:33 AM CST reply actions  

right, better to keep the depth until at least May

in case of injuries, let Harry pitch out of the pen for a few weeks

Seňor Octubre

by Baseball North on Dec 20, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

This the happiest most excited I have been about baseball since Game 5

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Dec 20, 2011 11:42 AM CST reply actions  

Okay don't remind me about WS

I don’t need that at this moment.

I do get what you mean though.

by RangersfaninROK on Dec 20, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't care about vetereness...

I still think trading Colby is the best option. Harrison and Holland have too much upside and are under control for too long. I’d love to see them stay.

Of course if you’re going to deal Harrison for a young position player who fills a need and has that upside and team control that the Rangers should be looking for, I would be okay with that as well.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 20, 2011 11:46 AM CST reply actions  

And how long do you have to pitch to be considered a veteran?

Our young pitchers are battle-tested (if we’re matching cliches here).

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by jam0152 on Dec 20, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

That's what bugs me...

he’s a veteran just because of his age.

Holland, Harrison, Feliz, and Ogando have been here most of the last couple years, just like Lewis. I understand that Ogando and Feliz have spent a large part of that time in the ’pen, but Holland and Harrison are just as veterany as Lewis imho.

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by slc ranger on Dec 20, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Lewis's presence is more important to Wash than anyone.

Harry grew tremendously last year. He was the most consistent pitcher not named Wilson in the rotation last year. Not necessarily spectacular, but steady. Holland was more hit and miss, especially early. More high end, but also more low end. If Holland follows Harry’s path to consistency (and probably more brilliance), then Lewis is indeed expendable. But I think they want to make sure of that fact.

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Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.

by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

he can point him to the best sushi places in Dallas.

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by Texfan1996 on Dec 20, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I know, I just can't figure out who I'd want to trade

I love having Ogando on the team and think he’s a great pitcher, but I almost wonder if he might be the best candidate to be traded.

by MikeEl on Dec 20, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's not forget the Maddii....

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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 20, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely, he was.

But Colby was apparently hurt most of the year. And Colby, for whatever reason, seems to be the only starter we have that can win a playoff game (with the exception of Holland’s Game 4 of course). I just think you can never have enough pitching depth. We used an unbelievably low amount of starters last year. That might not happen this time around.

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Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.

by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Is there any guarantee that Lewis will be fully healthy this season?

I’ve seen no reports on treatment, or even really on the injury.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed.

I’m not assuming he’s fixed just because time has passed.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Time may heal all wounds,

but a balky hip is a different story.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

I don’t think we ever heard final word on treatment.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Can someone run down the timeline

on the injury? I can’t quite recall. He didn’t seem injured in the playoffs…

I don’t remember people blaming his trouble with FB command/HR on his hip, am I wrong on this.

by Goyogringo on Dec 20, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

"fb command..."

in the first couple of months of the season…

by Goyogringo on Dec 20, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Try

this.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Its tough to say defnitively without knowing these guys personally

but if I had to guess, what Lewis and Ogando have gone through make them the true veterans of the rotation.

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by Gdawg on Dec 20, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

And another option...

if you are moving Ogando to the ‘pen the Rangers could look at shopping Feldman to shed that contract. He obviously doesn’t have as much value as Harrison or Lewis, but you may be able to get a useful piece for him and use that money elsewhere. Perhaps towards Beltran.

The hard part with Feldman is his value right now is probably higher to the Rangers than other teams.

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by slc ranger on Dec 20, 2011 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

The last line is key.

Feldman isn’t going anywhere.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno...

there are some pretty spare BORPs out there.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Perspective on the Joy of our pitching options...

No Pedro Astacio’s or Ismael Valdez in this group. YEAH!

You can only be young once but can be immature forever!

by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 11:53 AM CST reply actions  

Several months ago I was thinking of Colby as the most likely starter to be traded

but I’m wondering if they might not want to keep him around to help the Darvish transition from Japan to MLB. He’s a guy that Yu is probably familiar with, and Colby would have useful advice as a starter in both Japan and the US.

Yoshi and Koji would help too, but they also are not starting pitchers.

by MikeEl on Dec 20, 2011 11:55 AM CST reply actions  

Great point

You can only be young once but can be immature forever!

by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

he’s not really familiar to Mr.Lewis, he pitched in the Central League while Darvish was on the Pacific League.

by Omigawa on Dec 20, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, didn't know this

He’d still have some insight as a starter who’s pitched in both Japan and the US though.

by MikeEl on Dec 20, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet there are many knowledgeable japanese baseball fans now lurking on our Ranger sites

Would love to hear some of their perspectives on this.

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by blalock84 on Dec 20, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I've been thinking this, too,

but the issue is that any team truly interested in Colby is going to be a contender. Seems like trades between contenders happen much less often.

He’d be a great fit for Detroit.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Really

He’d be a great fit for Detroit, NY, or Boston.

All seem incapable of increasing payroll and in need of a SP, badly.

by Jobu. on Dec 20, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

That being said,

We aren’t sellers. If we are flipping him for prospects, he needs to go to the NL. We’re competing against these teams.

by Jobu. on Dec 20, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

That was sort of my point.

Marlins, maybe?

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Why not the Nationals?

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by Josh Lile on Dec 20, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Thought about them, too,

but I’m not sure they would be interested in a one year guy right now.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh,

I’m less confident of him in hitter’s parks.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Wakefield started a lot of games last year

I think Red Sox would love to add Colby to their staff.

by Jobu. on Dec 20, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahah

Fair point.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes,

but they don’t look to be contending next year.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

How is Colby's Japanese?

Anyone know?

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by WyoRanger on Dec 20, 2011 12:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

From rain delay theater last year, it's not bad.

He said he can speak it somewhat.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Not good

When he first came back he said he learned enough to order food or give directions in a cab but not much more. Also seemed to favor Korean bbq so I’m not sure he’ll be much help in the Sushi department.

by Rotofan on Dec 23, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I love this having this problem

because you can NEVER have too much pitching. All it takes is one blown shoulder or ligament and the picture suddenly shifts. Some teams have a great rotation provided that nothing bad happens and when it does they are left scrambling to fill the void.

What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher

by Texfan1996 on Dec 20, 2011 12:01 PM CST reply actions  

AMEN!!!!!

You can only be young once but can be immature forever!

by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

This.

The amount of starters we used last year was in single digits I believe. That never happens.

"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11

Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.

by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Not only the amount of starters

It was FIVE starts all season outside the Rangers’ top 5 guys.

You’d have to guess that number goes above 20 next season, just with the way pitching usually goes.

by todmod on Dec 20, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

The fact that they would have Ogando and Feldman in the BP ready to start

at a moment’s notice is reassuring….

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 20, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

You can have enough pitching.

It’s just hard to do.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

or maybe at least

you can have enough pitching that it makes sense to trades some of it away for increased value at another position that badly needs an upgrade.

Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin

by t ball on Dec 21, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Spring training is gonna be insane.

What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher

by Texfan1996 on Dec 20, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Yu Feverish

"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve

by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

you are still around?

I thought the image gate got you for sure

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 20, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Still round

"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve

by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

well I guess you learned your lesson

post pics of cloth covered bouncing boobs instead in the future

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 20, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Never banned.....

"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve

by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yu have my word..

"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve

by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

heh

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

equal overseas

but Texas should clean up in local and national sales.

advertising right on the other hand…

and lets also not forget about the ASG voting edge

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 20, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, ASG voting edge!

Suck on that Boston and NY!

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by blalock84 on Dec 20, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

Anyone listening to this return music on BaD radio?

What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher

by Texfan1996 on Dec 20, 2011 12:14 PM CST reply actions  

yes

awesome!

"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve

by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

What?

No I want Yu to want Me?

What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher

by Texfan1996 on Dec 20, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Slow clap

"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve

by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

The most logical scenario if the right trade isn't there to me is:

keep the pitching depth and start Feliz out in RR. It is what needs to happen to start 2012 as it is. That being said, it isn’t going to happen because he has already been up for 2+ years and been relatively successful during that time. Unless the FO can convince him it is necessary and will help him in the long run.

by casew on Dec 20, 2011 12:16 PM CST reply actions  

That's what like to see

I don’t care about fragile egos and shit like that. Do what you’re told and do it as well as possible. He could use some polishing in games that don’t affect the Rangers playoff chances.

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Dec 20, 2011 12:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Personally...selfishly...I needed this.

After the WS and after watching CJ and Pujols go to LAAAAA, this is incredible….

I’m getting excited about baseball starting……..

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 20, 2011 12:16 PM CST reply actions  

Yu are not the only one.

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

drool
DKnobler DKnobler
Could the Rangers add both Yu and Prince? @JonHeymanCBS says don’t be surprised if they try: bit.ly/sqd0RQ

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 PM CST reply actions  

Drool?

i would cum in my pants.

What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher

by Texfan1996 on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Yu didn't already shoot powdered milk?

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by Josh Lile on Dec 20, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that a challenge?

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 20, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

challenge accepted

/ninja

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I think a lot of us were saying that about Darvish not too long ago

Though I do agree that logic tells you that ain’t happening.

But after Yu happened I don’t know what to believe.

by RangersfaninROK on Dec 20, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought that way about the Yu posting.

Glad to be wrong right now.

You can only be young once but can be immature forever!

by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Not going to happen

But, if we had the money, that would be amazing.

Holy cow, that would be amazing. 100+ win team

by Jobu. on Dec 20, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

rec

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 20, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure it's safe to ever predict a 100 win team,

but yeah that team would clearly be one of, if not the, best team in the majors on paper heading into 2012.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

The best

/just sayin

I was talking with LSJ about this yesterday.

  1. offense, #1 bullpen, Top 10 Roto, Top 10 defense.

by Jobu. on Dec 20, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not clear to me that they would be the best offense.

They would still have Elvis and CF-du-jour in the lineup and some candidates for regression [I think, though haven’t investigated clearly]. The Yankees should mash next year. Probably the Red Sox, too.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

The CF issue is a serious one

but Elvis wasn’t that bad offensively last season for a SS and if he took another step forward with the bat, you’d be looking at a top 10 SS offensively.

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by Gdawg on Dec 20, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Do what Philly did with Cliff's deal

Only like 10 mil in 2012 and then 26 or 27 mil per for 4 more years. 5/115 total?

by bigsteve on Dec 20, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds good to me!

You can only be young once but can be immature forever!

by Bigfan16 on Dec 20, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Well i mean you cant just get it all worked up and then leave it.

It will just hang around until you let it have it’s way.

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by Texfan1996 on Dec 20, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

JonHeyman be trolling.
Texas is a threat to win Fielder, too, provided that the Rangers are willing to make the financial commitment it would take, as it is a desirable landing spot with an already stacked lineup and fine hitting ballpark.
Word is, Darvish is seeking a deal for about $75 million over five years, which would be on top of the $51.7 million posting fee Texas would be required to pay the Fighters should they sign him, as expected. If they were to pay Fielder, say $206 million, they’d top the Angels in expense for their two players.

The Rangers were not interested in Pujols but do like Fielder because he is only 27 years old and would fit into their star-studded lineup. Texas is also trying to lock up several of their own stars, including Derek Holland, Ian Kinsler and Josh Hamilton.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure it has nothing to do

with being a known Scott Boras mouthpiece…

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

sounds like someone actually has ZERO sources with the Rangers

and he is throwing shit out there for daddy Scotty B

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 20, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Mmmm hmmmm.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

The whole premise is absurd.

I can see a few scenarios in which the Rangers pursue Prince, but this is getting ridiculous.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know that Prince will now get

the kind of contract Boras was hoping for.

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by Texfan1996 on Dec 20, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

We'll see.

There are still teams with money to spend.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I think passing 200M gets you into the absurd.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Boras is awesome and Prince is the best player on the market by many orders of magnitude.

A total contract value of 200mm really wouldn’t surprise me, although I imagine it’ll be less.

by LiamP on Dec 20, 2011 12:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Not really.

Something like 8 years at $26M per year would entail an incredible amount of risk.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh. Similarly distasteful.

Boston operates at another level. Their home park seemingly limited the defensive contributions that Crawford could bring, but I think we view that even worse in hindsight because of how badly he plummeted this past year.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Crawford only got 126 though.

Fielder at 206 is pretty ridiculous comparatively.

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by Josh Lile on Dec 20, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

While the first two are true,

you also have to acknowledge that the market is severely suppressed by 4-6 of the top spending teams being out of it.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

This

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure, although #6 is still very much in the game.

Add one other team (SEA) with the financial capability to add that kind of deal and a wild card in the Jays and that’s enough to get the ball rolling for Boras.

Again, don’t think the number is likely but it’s hardly unattainable.

by LiamP on Dec 20, 2011 12:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Speaking of...

I feel like Cameron is going to give us the #6 curse this year.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

We should have been higher last year too.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Weren't we 4 last year?

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought we were 7.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate you for making me look this up.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Apparently you are correct.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

STORY OF MY LIFE BRO

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Hah.

This is funnier after OWS.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

IT guys that work for financial companies don't do quite that well.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

It's looking like there won't be enough suitors to drive Prince's price up to 8/200+

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be absurd

Everyone has obvious concerns about Prince, his weight, and his lack of consistency.

Tex got 8/180 on an open market, as a GG 1st baseman, with no weight issues, from the Yankees.

I will be floored if Prince gets more than 8/180

by Jobu. on Dec 20, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh,

I think $/WAR has jumped since then.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Szymborski said $4.7 in his article last night.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

That’s the ballpark. It’s been creeping up there the past few years after being stagnant for a bit.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh. I see what you meant.

Yeah, for the Rangers it’s absurd. I meant for Prince.

by LiamP on Dec 20, 2011 12:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah.

Maybe the Mariners pay that premium because they have no choice.

by octoberty on Dec 20, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet he gets creative input.

That $206M bit seems too dumb for Boras.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I want Yu

I want Yu so bad…

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by Texfan1996 on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 PM CST reply actions  

I think knockoutking got JW banned at HH

now that is some funny shit.. or Rev actually did us a solid for once.

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LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 20, 2011 12:28 PM CST reply actions  

Ahhhh.

I was just thinking that banishing JW to HH was the perfect fit.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if he ends up at the A's blog by default?

He would last 20 minutes at LOL with Jeff and Graham

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 20, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take the under.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a jab at you

but I don’t get why he’s still getting mentioned. Just enjoy it.

by sprite on Dec 20, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Is he banned for keeps?

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by Texfan1996 on Dec 20, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

the irony

was the cockroach that wouldn’t die and how is the fatted calf being slaughtered everywhere

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 20, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

did it really happen?

that would be special

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

omg Android app just kicked in yo

It’s pretty wonderful.

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by Keynes on Dec 20, 2011 12:35 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Just downloaded myself.

Still no ‘z’ function…other than that seems pretty user friendly.

by lost in space on Dec 20, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

There's an workaround for that function on iPads, fyi.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, seems like a good plan.

If it’s not a significant upgrade, you can probably get an iPad2 [which is much, much better than the first] for prices that aren’t too much higher than the Kindle Fire.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

mine has 'next unread comment' at the bottom

works just like z.

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by Keynes on Dec 20, 2011 12:47 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

yup

The only drawbacks I’ve found are it not always placing comments in the proper subthread and no access to FanShots

by MikeEl on Dec 20, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

That function is there

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Android

Is it an SBN app, or does it make LSB easier?

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by hightowersmith on Dec 20, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

much easier

really quick so far

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

The Ninja is not done.

There will be at lest one more move if not two. There will be a trade that will shock the baseball world.

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by boomer1 on Dec 20, 2011 12:36 PM CST reply actions  

I am wondering if it will be some lesser known player

who is a good fit. I’m just trying to identify who that might be.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotta think position player, no?

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Could be a reliever I s'pose.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

LHP

1b, CF (RH, preferably)

by Jobu. on Dec 20, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Still have 2 LHP?

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh.

Ok.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

My guess would be a CF/utility OF type then

I’m thinking Ryan Spilborghs.

I also still wouldn’t be shocked to see Murphy traded this offseason.

by MikeEl on Dec 20, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps.

Even if Martin or Borbon don’t hit that well, their defense (along with Gentry’s) means that the position won’t be a true black hole. And the odds that all of them are black holes seem small to me.

I’m thinking 1B. Something like a Billy Butler or Rizzo or some of the other names that have been bandied about perhaps.

Maybe do something at catcher instead.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I could see that too

but I have my reservations about Rizzo. I think there’s a reason San Diego gave up on him.

by MikeEl on Dec 20, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah,

I was more trying to address the general quality of player, not specific players.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, you'd like a little more pop.

Useful player and all, but…

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you think the price would be for Michael Morse?

I’m not sure he repeats what he did last year, but I also don’t know how Washington values him.

by MikeEl on Dec 20, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been proposing him as a trade target for a while.

Yeah, upon initial searching last August, I felt like the Nats valued him fairly highly, so I didn’t think there would be a great match, but that’s the perfect sort of player for this I think.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Who did the Mariners trade him for?

I was just looking over his stats and it looks like he put up a couple of good AAA seasons going back to 2006, but then never got much time in Seattle.

by MikeEl on Dec 20, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Chase Headley?

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't get a "harrumph" out of that guy!

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, that's a name I can get behind

Lot of potential there, given his H/R splits.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

no, I do not think he will sustain a 4% HR/FB rate. That’s a very, very interesting buy low candidate.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

You worry about the cost though

the best fit right now is a team that has both a FO that will make deals and one that doesn’t ask for the moon.

Isee Nationals, Twins, Royals, White Sox, Rockies, Pirates, Astros as potential deal partners. Maybe the Orioles as well.

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

DO NOT WANT CARLOS LEE

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

well duh...:p

Bud Norris would be a fun get. They really have no one else.

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Altuve for backup MIF?

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

altuve will be out of the game by 2015

mark it

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by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

You just want to see Goldstein cry.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

well, yeah

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by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

blah blah short joke blah blah

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

No one else

they’d be willing to trade, I mean.

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

May I once again

submit Mark Reynolds for consideration as well.

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Ehhh....

I guess it could work, but….blah.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

you can submit him

doesn’t mean we’ll take him.

If we wanted a Mark Reynolds-type we would have just kept Davis.

by MikeEl on Dec 20, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Mark Reynolds is a far superior player to Davis,

unless you restrict the metrics to ‘ability to do the splits’

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Difference is

one player has a consistent history of walking and hitting HRs. The other has a lot of minor league quality power but no actual ability to hit HRs.

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

You'd be getting him on an even year

and he doesn’t do so well with even years

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by Gdawg on Dec 20, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Walk Rate matters so very much in this case.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

What the hell are we going to do with Mark Reynolds?

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Platoon him vs, LHP at 1B

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Young full-time DH and Naps catches how many games?

Seems like we already have our platoon guys at 1B

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Nap, Young, Reynolds, Moreland

rotating around 1B, C, DH

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm having trouble figuring out how this works, assuming Naps and Young both play 155 games

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Moreland takes the most hit in terms of PT

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think there's any way Napoli plays 155.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

this

but I don’t see why Mark Reynolds makes any more sense to play any more games for us.

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

what I mean is

Mark Reynolds doesn’t make sense for this team unless he is a bench player, and I’d rather not do that.

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

140 seems like an optimistic cap.

120 more realistic… maybe 130.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Also...

Not all at catcher.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea.

Maybe 90/30 or some such.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

100 at C, 20 at 1B, 35 at DH?

Doesn’t his bat need to be in the lineup almost every day? If he can’t C 100, fine, but he needs 620+ PAs

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Catchers don't see that kind of work load.

Even when they mix in DH or 1B generally.

Plus… Napoli has a bit of an injury history.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, you can find some full-time C's with 540+ PAs, so if we limit him to 85 games behind the plate, I'd like to think he could appear in 150+ games

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

540-550 PA is very reasonable.

Assuming health that’s about what I expect we’ll see.

But that’s not 150 games… that’s 120-130.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I want to use Naps the way the Indians use Santana

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather see Naps catch more.

And Santana is younger.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

A person can dream, right?

Although in reality, I don’t think Kershaw is available and I think if he was the package could get him would have to be massive.

by casew on Dec 20, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

LIST!

Old young guys with upside:
Charlie Blackmon, CF, Rockies
Adam Loewen, CF, Blue Jays
Travis Snider, OF, Blue Jays
Clint Robinson, DH, Royals
Chris Marrero, 1B, Nationals * (INJURED)

Guys coming off of injury
Denard Span, CF, Twins
Shin Soo Choo, RF, Indians
Chase Headley, 3B, Padres

Guys who are underappreciated
Ryan Hannigan, C, Reds
Mark Reynolds, 1B, Orioles

Give me some time to think of more

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I would love me some Choo

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Choo's glove

how many more years is he signed?

Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?

by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Like the way you think.

We already know they were in on Blackmon last year, no?

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

He was part of the rumored package for Young

which they were apparently close to consumating

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what I thought.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

i wonder if the indians would be willing to panic sell on Choo's shitty season

Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck

btho Iowa State

by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

they need Sizemore to be healthy before they even consider it

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, they seem to be committed to trying to win now, so...

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Ubaldo trade...

So much to push them to .500.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

travis snider desperately needs one of those whatchacallits

changes of scenery

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by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Adam Loewen? The fuck?

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by Josh Lile on Dec 20, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Young CF

good walk rate, good power, good defense. Unproven.

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

He has really improved as a hitter

The fact that no one offered him a big league spot is a bit telling, but he has really come on as he’s moved up.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 20, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Another

Franklin Gutierrez, CF, Mariners

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha.

Now that I do not see. I’m not sure they ever really figured out what was wrong with him and he’s one of the few guys on that team with the POTENTIAL to be a league average hitter.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Potential league average bat

good CF defense, short term commitment. No way they’d actually trade him though.

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Right.

I see his value to the Rangers, but they would have to hold open auditions for hitters next year if they traded him away.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh god don't get FB started on Span.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

You are limited in your interpretation of value

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

From that list, I just don't think many of those guys

have enough of a chance at being better than what we have now to justify giving up anything of value in return for them.

by MikeEl on Dec 20, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

No, just one.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I like that having a Cy Young candidate

is no longer a pipe dream, but a baseline.

Strike that, I love it.

My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen

by Keynes on Dec 20, 2011 12:49 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I don't think that's the case at all.

At least, not for 2012.

Also, remember that the Rangers fair poorly in Cy Young competitions for the same reason that they fair so well in MVP competitions.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Do what you want, but if

Mark Hamburger isn’t in the Cy Young conversation I’ll be very disappointed.

(That was your supposition for a Rangers Cy candidate too, right?)

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by Keynes on Dec 20, 2011 12:55 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Best PR campaign ever.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Evan Grant?

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Dec 20, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

for Kershaw

I would give up whatever they wanted. You want our top 10 prospects? no problem

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

ESPN Radio in Tyler has spent about the last two hours talking about Yu Darvish.

Quite a few fans calling in that are very excited about him coming over along with a few that wonder why we didn’t just pay CJ “because he can pitch in the heat, you see!”

The only troubling part is that almost everyone says this was Nolan’s decision and that Nolan must really love the guy. To Nolan be the credit.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

I think that's the way JD wants it

My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen

by Keynes on Dec 20, 2011 12:51 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

The important people know who runs this baseball organization.

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by jam0152 on Dec 20, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

From Maury's article over at BaseballProspectus
But, in speaking with two sources that were close to the negotiations on the television deal yesterday, they say that the original figure of $3 billion is closer to the truth… and possibly then some (the sources would not elaborate as to the total but said that based upon certain escalators in the deal, the package could be worth more).

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

wait, the rangers TV package?

that is Prince money!!!

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by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 20, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Multiple sources.

I think Evan had it among others. It’s annoying that we can’t pin down a discrepancy this big.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I want Evan to go back to D Magazine. He was so much better there.

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Dec 20, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I really loved Inside Corner.

But even there I was critical of Evan’s analysis. Still, I liked that Evan a lot better.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

How long ago has it been since he left D?

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Dec 20, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

MJH made him better.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I had a couple of meetings with some the D Magazine folks

several months ago. First, a couple of them are LSB readers/posters/P1’s, so that’s cool. Second, they LOVE Evan Grant. Was interesting to hear their take on the whole thing.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 20, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Their take on what whole thing?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought it was a great experiment.

It was a shame they couldn’t afford to trump the DMN’s offer.

I hope they were happy with the results, even if they didn’t have the bankroll to keep it going…?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

The thing I loved most about it, I think,

is that Grant and Hindman seemed to work so well off each other. They accentuated each others’ strengths, freed each other from having to write from relative weaknesses, and even got some good-humored jabs going between them at times.

It was a really good pairing.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Also, it was cool how accessible Grant and the other writers were on Inside Corner. Think about that level of accessibility as you stare at the DMN paywall….pretty stark difference.

Moreover, it was neat to see a guy leave “the establishment” and try to build an online community from the ground up. Everything Grant did was an effort to nurture that community and make it work.

The lurker/poster formerly known as "ncrangerfan." I don't live in Hickory anymore....

by Midnight Sun on Dec 20, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a shame that the size of our media deal must be shrouded in mystery.

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know.

Maybe it somehow helps the Rangers confuse other teams.

Ugh.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea, having an extra 1.4 Billion in your back pocket that no one knows about

can come in handy.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi

by blalock84 on Dec 20, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

easy to pin it on the base vs easy to reach escalators

and now we are reaching into the more difficult escalators.. WS appearances were probably a part of it

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 20, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

But would FSN really gain that many eyeballs from the Rangers making WS?

I guess the next year?

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Isn't it more of making the Rangers a brand vs the actual results?

The Rangers are starting to actually be a destination.

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by Josh Lile on Dec 20, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

That's hard to value IMO,

which makes it hard to put into a contract, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, they set a few all time viewership records on FSSW in '11, no?

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Dec 20, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey now!!

Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.

by Chewtoy123 on Dec 20, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

so are opening day ticket prices going ot be outlandish with YU pitching opening day?

would we roll him out there on opening day??

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by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 20, 2011 12:45 PM CST reply actions  

so ticket prices expensive and no rolling with yu on opening day?

"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011

"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011

by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 20, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I really don't think he's going to be the opening day pitcher....

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 20, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

With that comment about Darvish's popularity...

…for some reason I immediately pictured him as the bad guy from The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift.

by FuturePants on Dec 20, 2011 12:45 PM CST reply actions  

OK, I'm ready for the Rangers to sign Yu.

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by jam0152 on Dec 20, 2011 12:55 PM CST reply actions  

Rank the Rangers starters next year in terms of fWAR contributed to the team.

Go.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 12:58 PM CST reply actions  

Hrm. Off the cuff.

Holland
Harrison
Darvish
Colby
Feliz

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Can you put up a DBR?

I have a few clippings done already.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I can later?

About to feed my son.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure thing.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude, priorities

Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?

by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

x

Darvish
Harrison
Holland
Lewis
Feliz

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

x

1. Holland (5.1)
2. Lewis (4.4)
3. Darvish (3.9)
4. Harrison (3.8)
5. Feliz (2.3)

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Lewis

Darvish
Holland
Harrison
Feliz

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

This is where I was going to go.

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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.

by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

You guys have more confidence in me that he'll be healthy.

If I had confidence in his health… I would agree (but flip Harrison and Holland)

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

x

Holland
Darvish
Lewis
Harrison
Feliz

by RangersfaninROK on Dec 20, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

Holland
Darvish
Lewis
Ogando
Feliz/Feldman

(assuming Harrison is traded, if not replace him with Ogando/Lewis)

by MikeEl on Dec 20, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to assume Harrison is not traded, but agree with the rest

Holland
Darvish
Lewis
Harrison
Feliz

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by jam0152 on Dec 20, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

x

Holland
Harry
Yu
Lewis
Feldman

by RangerMad on Dec 20, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Holland, Yu, Harrison, Colby, FelizZ

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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM

by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

x

Darvish (5.1)
Holland (4.3)
Lewis (4.1)
Harrison (2.6)
Feliz (2.5)

Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck

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by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

x

Holland
Darvish
Lewis
Feliz
Harrison

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 20, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

If it ends up like that, we'll have the best rotation in the AL

I think Harry’s floor is something like 3 WAR

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

sexy, ain't it

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 20, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

x

Darvish (5.3)
Holland (5.1)
Feliz (3.7)
Harrison (3.1)
Lewis (2.9)

by liamluong on Dec 20, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's do this

Holland
Darvish
Harrison
Feliz
Colby

by graymax on Dec 22, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

why

is Holland mentioned as a possible trade candidate?

by rangersfan32 on Dec 20, 2011 1:00 PM CST reply actions  

Because everyone but Yu is a possible trade candidate right now.

JD said this morning that he’s open to offers, but isn’t making any moves right now.

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by jam0152 on Dec 20, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I should say he isn't initiating any moves right now.

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by jam0152 on Dec 20, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

King Felix maybe

But Felix is more of a rental at this point. Everyone and their Uncle is whipping out the checkbook for Felix’s FA.

Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?

by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Felix has 3 yrs left

that’s not a rental. He is, however, owed, 18.5M, 19.5M, and 20M the last 3 years of his deal.

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I know my love for Felix is irrational...

but I’m surprised how many feel that deflates his value.

60 mil over 3 years for a true ace and one of the top 5 pitchers in the game isn’t bad at all. Now I wouldn’t give up Harrison/Holland, Profar, Perez, Olt, and Ramirez for him because of that. However I would give up Harrison, Perez, Olt and someone like Buckel/Jackson/Loux.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 20, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

If they took your second

I would be ecstatic. Profar is the only prospect I think I come to regret trading if I were the Rangers.

"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales

by Michael Cave on Dec 20, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

so will koji, yoshi, yu all have 3 separate interpreters?

also, do the inerpreters sit on the bench/bullpen with the guys and let them know what the managers are saying? would an interpreter be allowed to run to the mound with ron washington and interpret?

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by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 20, 2011 1:05 PM CST reply actions  

I would guess they have different interpreters

I doubt you’d see an interpreter go to the mound unless it’s another player already in the game.

by MikeEl on Dec 20, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

Did you think she was because she’s Japanese?

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow they do have a population problem then

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

AND SHE'S REALLY OLD!

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it a population problem now?

I knew they’ve had a birth rate issue for a while…

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Good on Darvish to lock her up, then.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Except they're splitting.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Rich Phillips does

Life is pain - we've got to scrape the joy from it every chance we get.

by jshcmp on Dec 20, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Rich said last segment that the new Rangers ownership hasn't committed the big money

to a player until now, but showed the willingness to try when they went after Cliff Lee.

It’s amazing how people forget about Adrian Beltre.

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by jam0152 on Dec 20, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Hah.

Or the contracts that have been offered.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

He's divorced, and no.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Or, at least, divorcing.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

That

is obviously a porn star.

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by jam0152 on Dec 20, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Aki Hoshino?

I don’t think she’s an AV idol… just a model. I could be wrong, though, I don’t keep up.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Yu probably know more than I do.

The standards in Japan are clearly very different than they are here.

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by jam0152 on Dec 20, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

anyone see this?
jay_jaffe Jay Jaffe
HOLY SHIT RT @Deadspin: Legendary Columnist Bill Conlin Resigns Over Forthcoming Philly Inquirer Bombshell deadspin.com/5869737/

bad stuff appreantly

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 20, 2011 1:11 PM CST reply actions  

I think I read that he's been accused of molesting children.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Always hated that fat, swarthy fuck.

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow

OK, at this point, who in sports hasn’t been molesting children or murdering hookers?

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- Wash

by RCCook on Dec 20, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I don't know it for a fact

But we certainly can’t say that Craig James hasn’t been murdering hookers.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

It has not been proven that Craig James murdered five hookers.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

It certainly hasn't been proven that Craig James didn't brutally murder five hookers while he was playing for SMU.

Reports are unclear about the number of hookers murdered by Craig James in cold blood.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Craig James

You know, I’ve been to the area around SMU a couple times recently, and didn’t see any hookers. Now there could be a number of causes for that- the hookers congregate elsewhere, Craig James murdered them all, or there just weren’t any hookers around SMU in the first place, but clearly, someone needs to get to the bottom of this. Lives are at stake, people! Hookers’ lives!

"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."

- Wash

by RCCook on Dec 20, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Or maybe he like Cocaine and Hookers because....?

Just asking

Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?

by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure he found his way to Harry Hines Blvd.

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Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.

by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay. This made me laugh out loud

which kind of bothered some of my students trying to finish their final.

by other_shoe on Dec 20, 2011 3:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

and Craig James is apparently going to run for the Senate

terrible

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Only because his dumping ground hasn't been found yet.

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by boomer1 on Dec 20, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

"Conlin drew criticism for failing to include pitcher Nolan Ryan on his Hall of Fame ballot"

between this and Child molesting, he’s dead to me

Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?

by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

My biggest problem now with our rotation is that I want Napoli to catch 4 of the 5.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 1:19 PM CST reply actions  

Which one do you feel confident in letting Torrealba attempt to catch?

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Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.

by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Lewis and Harrison, maybe Darvish

I definitely don’t want him catching Feliz or Ogando.

by MikeEl on Dec 20, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree with Lewis

I don’t see him being able to catch Yu’s breaking stuff.

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Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.

by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Lewis.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

how do you people feel about ranking japanese imports on prospect lists?

i mean he’s our easy number 1

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by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 1:25 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think he's a prospect though.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm curious as to how they will approach that.

It makes more sense to me to leave him off, but I could see them putting him one because it helps increase their hit rate.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Goldstein talked about this in his piece for BP.

Darvish isn’t a prospect because he doesn’t require development. He won’t pitch a game in the minors that isn’t related to injury (if it happens, knock on wood). He’s a finish product that can improve, not a prospect.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

*finished

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

matsuzaka was baseball america's number 1 whenever he came over

wonder if they do that again

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btho Iowa State

by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Who wins ROY?

Matt Moore or Yu Darvish?

Who has more WAR over the next 5 years?

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Darvish for the former

Moore for the latter.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Moore

For WAR and neither wins ROY

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

who would be your ROY then?

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Trout

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Hard to win ROY

When you spend half the year in AAA because of Vernon Wells and Bobby Abreu.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Abreu

IMO will be traded. Salary and roster dump

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

No one is going to take on his salary.

Angels will have to eat almost all of it.

But they may for the roster space.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Abreu

Somebody will take him for the right price

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

$5 and a bag of balls

And some single A kids I was about to release

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by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I've *warned* you about imprisoning those single-A kids.

Damnit, Buttermaker, don’t make me call the cops.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Abreu will be gone

but there is still Hunter, Bourjos, and Wells in the OF and Trumbo/Morales at DH

by ok.fester on Dec 20, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

My guess

trumbo/morales one will be gone as well. Trout is gonna force their hand. But it is the Angels, they might just waste him for another year.

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Trout or Bourjos play center?

Aren’t they suppose to both be good defensively?

by ok.fester on Dec 20, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

If the played Hunter, Bourjos, and Trout together that would be a nice OF. Let Wells be the 4th and part time DH.

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

and then they still have Abreu

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Abreu

Won’t be there. He has already said he is open for a trade and I think the Angels eat salary and dump him

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

they very well could

i haven’t been following them very closely.

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Their roster

is still a big cluster F. I hope they don’t figure it out, but i think the next 5-8 years that we are gonna have a strong rivalry going on with them.

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

just depends on a whole lot

they need more than just Pujols to fix that offense.

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve

by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Moore will win ROY

And will edge Darvish slightly in WAR over the next 5 years. I’m thinking something like 26 to 24

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

he's our easy number 1

and he will be number 1 overall on many of those lists

by Longhorn on Dec 20, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Goldstein won't put him on the BP lists.

We’ll see what Callis and others do.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I read this as "Cahill and others," for some reason.

And thought, “Man, when did Cahill become such an influence on matchst1ck?”

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh. I miss Cahill.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Overlapped for maybe 3-4 months.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe longer than that... I started in January last year and I think he was here through the start of the season.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh

I doubt he’s #1. Trout, Harper and Moore are too good.

He’s #4 on my list, which is still hella good. I could be wrong though.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 20, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Dammit.

Stupid LSB. I look at an Excel model I’m working on that now has a broken result and see a lone “z” sitting in a cell.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:26 PM CST reply actions  

HAH

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

that is fucking awesome

what are you modeling and what alogarithm are you using?

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 20, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Just something for work.

Financial data for my bank.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

YUUUSSSSHAAAA!!!!

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by FirebatM3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

too much pitching is such a nice problem to have.

Ogando to the pen seems like such a waste to me. but until he throws that changeup consistently it seems the logical choice (also since the time to see what Feliz can do as a starter has finally come).

by SteveP on Dec 20, 2011 1:34 PM CST reply actions  

JD is going to ninja Sean Marshall away from the cubs for a bag of balls and leury garcia

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btho Iowa State

by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I would really like Sean Marshall.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

of course

that would be amazing

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by t ball on Dec 21, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

and to think

Beltre was once a top 10 Rangers prospect

by RangerMad on Dec 20, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be wonderful

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Adams and Uehara get lefties out as well as any LOOGY

so having 1 lefty is enough outside of these two.

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

very good point

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by willamos2 on Dec 20, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I say sign Fielder..trade Feliz and maybe cruz to atlanta for jurrgens and prospect

cuz i think after world series mental break its better to trade feliz before his value bottoms if he cant refocus

by capps1 on Dec 20, 2011 2:21 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Sigh

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Or

Cruz and Feliz for Cain

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

heh

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Feliz for Jurrjens...

No.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I think he capps1 just wants lotion (and a prospect).

IT RUBS THE LOTION ON THE SKIN OR ELSE IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

*the capps1

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

oh my god

Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck

btho Iowa State

by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

feliz and cruz for jurrjens?

HE’S NOT EVEN THAT GOOD OF A PITCHER

Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck

btho Iowa State

by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

IT'S JUST SO BUTTRETARDED

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btho Iowa State

by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

*serious condition

Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.

by Bface on Dec 20, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Sez Bface...

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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Dec 20, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

im thinking we arent gona be able to afford Cruz and im not that confident in Feliz as a

starter..and JD sure moved quick to snag Nathan so they arent that sure of Feliz themselves in my opinion

by capps1 on Dec 20, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

they snagged nathan so Feliz could fulfil his destiny in the rotation, yo

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btho Iowa State

by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe..but what makes you love him as a starter?..right now he is a 1 pitch

pitcher..ogando is farther along than he is and i prefer him in the bullpen

by capps1 on Dec 20, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

the potential for the 60 changeup and breaking ball with the 8 fastball are still there

just needs reps

Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck

btho Iowa State

by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

DAT SLIDER.

AND DAT CUTTER.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Dat

lack of control

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

again..maybe and if he recovers and progresses..jurrgens is pretty solid

or maybe not him but Gio or another solid starter thats proven..im just not sold on him as starter..and Rangers talked last year about he could be closer for years..ala rivera..but they sure jumped ship quick to start the off season

by capps1 on Dec 20, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Le Sigh...

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Dec 20, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know, I prefer Aveeno.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen

by Schultzy on Dec 20, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

capps1

You really don’t understand baseball do you? Go back to fb or the DMN blog or where ever you came from. You are not wanted here. If you do not leave I will set fire to your house/apartment or just fuck your mom I’m still undecided.

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Dec 20, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

My dad is dead.

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
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by boomer1 on Dec 20, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Lol

Please give us more of your baseball knowledge.

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by boomer1 on Dec 20, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

people who say Feliz only has one pitch don't know much about Feliz

They also forget strike 3 against Arod in the ALCS and that Feliz was easily the best starter in ST last year.

by das06h on Dec 20, 2011 2:38 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

1 consistent pitch..he got in trouble last year after several blown saves

cuz he no confidence in the others..id rather him be ready as a starter..start in RR for a few months..we have to many guys that are more ready as starters..and thats if he gets his psyche straight..thats all im saying..ya know

by capps1 on Dec 20, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

so lets trade him for a mediocre pitcher.....good grief.

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

He only has one.....

that he can control. He misses his spots badly with the others. Yes strike 3 was great versus Arod but where was that pitch in the WS. It wasnt!

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

motherofgod.jpg

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

no this is too serious for Thornysunglasses.jpg

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btho Iowa State

by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 20, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

x

Dallas Stars Examiner
used to be under name hinduplaya

by MayurP on Dec 20, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

only 1 number

that’s weird. After reading this I expected at least 4 or 5

by elvis1isking on Dec 20, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

His logic....

is right the trade target is off. Feliz might never come back from being soft in the head. But Feliz+ for a upper tier SP a good idea. Feliz, Olt+, for Gio and Bailey

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 2:27 PM CST reply actions  

I need to know more about the "+" part of that proposal, but I'm listening.

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats what JD is for

to figure out the “+”

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope. I'm thinking something that begins with a "Clayton."

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Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.

by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

You want fucking Clayton Richard? You want to deal Feliz for Clayton fucking Richard?

Sheesh. N00B.

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

HAHA.

Kershaw. That is the only Clayton I would entertain trading Happy for.

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Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.

by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Look

I dont even like Gio but he will be better than Feliz over the next 3 yrs. I’d love to have Kershaw but thats not possible now. Then when Kershaw is available Feliz will be worth less.

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Gio > Feliz?

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Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.

by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, that's not crazy.

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah..since they have decided he isnt the closer anymore..id look to upgrade

cuz as starters go..i dont think he is ever gona be much more than average..JD has been great at moving guys for upgrades..Cruz..how much is he gona cost and will we be able to afford it

by capps1 on Dec 20, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

yu crazy

lets let Feliz have a year of starting before we decide he sucks.

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

The point is...

Not that he sucks, but that you could upgrade your rotation for the next 3 yrs by dealing him.

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

The point is that Texas could upgrade its rotation for the next 3 years by dealing him and other valuable pieces.

If there were a piece-for-a-piece deal out there that gave the Rangers a better starter than they thought Feliz would be over the next 3 years, I’d imagine they’d have pulled the trigger on it by now — wouldn’t you?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

heh

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

But we are trying to win now. Feliz wont help us in that regard for 2+yrs. Feliz+ is worth it for a rotation upgrade.

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

why not win now and still set up for future?

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

B/c

Perez, Ramirez will pass feliz by in the next 3yrs. Long term he doesnt fit here. So win now and you still have a pipeline of talent for the future.

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

You really can't say Perez and Ramirez are sure things.

And what if Oakland asks for Feliz, Perez, Ramirez, and Olt?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

You can’t say Feliz is a sure thing either. Far from it.

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I never have.

Far from it.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

They're trying to win in the future, too.

Would you trade Feliz, Profar, Olt, Alfaro, and Martin (or, for that matter, David) Perez for Gonzalez and Bailey?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

WTF, no.

Fucking hell, no.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

You don't have to do the capitalization.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Which capitalization?

All of it, or just the AquaMAN part?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The MAN part.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, but I do.

I really do.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Why you trollin', lost?

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Just don't call him, "Aquadude."

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Waterfriend?

Does that work…

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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Dec 20, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

He's no friend

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by Schultzy on Dec 20, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't hate, Schultzy.

It’s unbecoming.

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by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh

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---Merlin Olsen

by Schultzy on Dec 20, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

hell naw i wouldnt

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

And *that's* the point.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

But

Cruz, Feliz, Olt gets you Cain. would you do that?

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I would not

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

For one year of Matt Cain at $15 million?

With the possibility that the Rangers are on his no-trade list, to boot? (Though I’d hope they’re not…)

Pass.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough but there are pitchers to be had

Shields, Garza, Danks….somewhere you could flip Feliz for an upgrade for a reasonable cost…and that’s the point

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

"For a reasonable cost" is the point.

How much more than Feliz do you think those guys cost?

Would you trade Feliz, Profar, Olt, Alfaro, and Martin (or, for that matter, David) Perez for Shields, Garza, or Danks?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

IMO the cost wouldnt be that high.

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

IYO, what would the cost be?

You think Feliz gets you one of those pitchers in return, piece-for-a-piece?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I would think

That Feliz, Olt, plus one from this pool: Ogando, Cruz, Martin, and another from this pool: Feldman, Lowe, Koji, bourbon, beltre. Would get you a nice SP

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Which nice starting pitcher?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

And I'm assuming you mean Martin Perez,

not Leonys Martin?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

You assumed wrong

I wouldn’t trade Perez unless Felix or Kershaw was coming back.

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

You think Perez is nearly untouchable...

But not Feliz?

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Feliz

does not have the mental toughness needed to be TORp or to pitch in this ball park. he is a flake

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I see.

You’re one of those. Okay… carry on.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

w/out perez in the deal

you aren’t getting Garza, Danks, Gio or any other SP of that caliber

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

If you included

Feliz you would. So your saying you think Perez has more trade value than Feliz?

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

nevermind....I'm done w/ this

your logic goes out the window when you want to keep Perez over Feliz.

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

That isnt crazy

Perez will be a servicable starter here before Feliz is. I personally don’t think Feliz will earn a spot out of ST.

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow.

Why?

And what would Feliz, Olt, Martin, Engel Beltre get you, in terms of starting pitching, do you think?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Gavin Floyd

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe with Will Lohman as a throw-in.

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Shields

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

ok would you do this:

Feliz, Perez, Olt, Ramirez for any one of them because thats what these teams want back……reasons why we haven’t made a trade.

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

We

Havent made a trade b/c we were waiting to get Yu 1st

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

You think if the Rangers had seen a piece-for-a-piece deal, Feliz for another starter, and they thought the other starter would be better than Feliz for the next three years, they wouldn’t have pulled the trigger because they were waiting to see if the Blue Jays were crazier than they are?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

the Rangers more than anyone look into other players

JD knows full well the asking price of all those pitchers. He isn’t willing to pull the trigger and thats good enough for me. You could way worse than having Feliz as your #5 starter.

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I agree.

I also think that if the right deal comes along, and it includes Feliz, then Feliz is gone, baby, gone.

And I’d be fine with that, too.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

heh we are the same page

others…..not soo much.

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by shock00 on Dec 20, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

No

i think we havent done a packagedeal b/c of Yu

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is nice speculation.

I see no evidence to support it.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

of course

its speculation. as is 90% on this site

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

But some of that speculation

is supported by evidence.

For example, there is a good deal of evidence that the Rangers have looked into the possibility of trading for both Garza and Gonzalez, and that the prices the Cubs and A’s (respectively) were asking for those pitchers was very, very high.

If the price had been lower, what evidence do you have that the Rangers wouldn’t have made one of those deals already?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

True

but to counter the Cubs supposedly wanted Feldman in any deal plus other players. So there are other players besides those you list that have value. Imo they are waiting for things to shake out right now. I could be wrong.

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I am somewhat skeptical

that including Scott Feldman was what really nuked the Garza deal.

I mean, really. With Garza (and without Feliz or Wilson or Darvish), the Rangers still would have had Holland, Harrison, Lewis, and Ogando.

Was Scott Feldman’s potential to step in as a sixth starter (or to send Ogando back to the bullpen) really enough to nuke an otherwise attractive deal? Especially given the money freed up by getting rid of Feldman?

I have a really hard time believing that.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I didnt say nuked

I said the cubs think feldman has value. In regards to the fact you think only our top 5 guys can be thrown in on a trade

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't say that.

But, again, I’m done; this isn’t going to end well for either of us.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh. Danks.

Garoonic.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed.

Depending upon the “+,” it’s a deal we jump at.

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

no it isn't

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 20, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Gio or Feliz who has better WAR next 3 yrs?

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 2:49 PM CST reply actions  

yes as starters

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

This year Gio. Especially if he is still in Oakland

I think Feliz has potentially more upside that could come into play by 2013. The problem with Feliz starting is that there are a lot of unknowns. He has pitches which demonstrated great potential that have gone undeveloped as he was closing. I think he is at least serviceable this year. How much more than “serviceable” would Gio be in the jetstream at Arlington?

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by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd prefer

we trade Feliz in a package for a better Sp than Gio. But the during the time we would control Gio he’d have more value than Feliz. Also he less of a risk than Feliz.

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by Spadedsnake on Dec 20, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

with our rotation

we can handle the risk of Feliz, especially with the depth. I don’t get why you would trade a the type of pitcher like Feliz for a crappy package before you know what you have of him as a starter. He has Ace potential. You don’t just trade that away.

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Wrong thread

A burden should never be something out of your control.

by benjihana on Dec 20, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, indeed.

You guys.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

How snarky of you

A burden should never be something out of your control.

by benjihana on Dec 20, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

The song sucks. I'm sorry.

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

YOUR FACE SUCKS

A burden should never be something out of your control.

by benjihana on Dec 20, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Solid. Solid.

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by JDT217 on Dec 20, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Congrats

guys. My buddy is ecstatic as a Rangers fan, and I’d be lying if I said that I’m not looking forward to seeing what Darvish can do.

Oh, and thanks for keeping him away from the Cubbies.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 20, 2011 3:06 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks.

Is this the first time we’ve seen a Pirates fan on LSB?

by lost in space on Dec 20, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

They do exist!

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by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll bet his last name's Garoon.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Made up name.

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by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

For a made-up fan.

There’s no such thing as a Pirates fan.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

The Rangers social media guy is Herbie Palotta.

He comes here regularly… http://twitter.com/herbie

He’s from Pittsburgh and is a Pirates fan too.

You are not alone.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh. I made the imaginary Pirates fan sad.

I feel bad about that.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

OK?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just wondering:

how many of those championship seasons can you actually remember?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Problem?

No. I really was just wondering.

I find this sort of stuff interesting. As a Cowboys fan, the two Super Bowl wins in the 70s gave me backstory, but they weren’t something I took any satisfaction in. And the Super Bowl losses to the Steelers in the same decade aren’t really painful, since I was too young to experience them.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

(My earliest sports heartbreak:

The Catch. Derek Harper dribbling out the clock is probably the second earliest.)

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh

No. I wasn’t even alive for the first 4 superbowls and the first 2 stanley cups I was 1 and 2 years old.

Notable heartbreaks include the Steelers losing to the Patrios in the AFC Championship when Kordell Stewart was our QB, the Pens losing the Red Wings a few years back in the Cup Finals, WVU losing to Pitt in 2007 with a trip to the NC on the line (I was there) and WVU losing to Duke in the Final Four as Da’Sean Butler blew his knee up.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 20, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

That's good to know.

PNC looks like a beautiful park. Definitely on the bucket list of MLB parks.

"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11

Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.

by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Every time you post something

The voice in my head is Gregory Peck.

Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?

by Buttermaker on Dec 20, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I look kinda like that, but not that voice.

"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11

Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.

by Atticus F on Dec 20, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It still hits me every so often that we won the posting.

And that it is very likely Yu Darvish will pitch for us…

It’s hard for me to wrap my mind around.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 3:54 PM CST reply actions  

I know.

I didn’t think we would. I really didn’t. Then Passan’s magical tweet came down the wire and BAM, he is ours.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.

by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I fell asleep about 930p on the couch

and woke up around 4a. I had a few texts saying we won, so I opened up LSB.

It looks like you guys were having fun.

…and yeah st1ck, it’s hard to believe we’re finally a team that is associated with any big move within the MLB.

by lost in space on Dec 20, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

x
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
RT @AndrewMarchand: Source with knowledge of the bidding: Yanks bid less than $20M for Darvish.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.

by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 3:56 PM CST reply actions  

Huh. Why bother?

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Then again: Why not?

I guess.

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by Snark on Dec 20, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

That was my point when I thought the Rangers would bid like $25M

Bigsteve and others would rather us not and save the embarrassment… I thought of it as a free lottery ticket… unlikely but you never know in a blind process.

You’d hate yourself if you didn’t and someone else won with nothing.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting article over at Grantland on overvaluing prospects.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7370324/the-mlb-prospect-bubble

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.

by Aqua on Dec 20, 2011 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

Good article.

I definitely get that feel from prospect-o-phile fans that can’t bear to part with their “kids”… but it’s a nice article to show GM’s with a similar mindset.

I don’t know that the examples he cites are quite a “market inefficiency”… but it does have a feel of being an over correction on prospect value.

Cashman has been gripping his prospects like his life (or job) depends on it.

And of course… this reinforces the importance of proper talent evaluation internal and external… and how your prospects are valued and knowing what they are worth.

Professor Parks words this July stick with me every time a trade is discussed “Do what you need to do to help the big league club, the farm will survive.” Obviously not carte blanche to do a stupid trade… but important to understand that trading prospects is part of the game as well.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Dec 20, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that second sentence.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 20, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd kill my farm for Kershaw

Not Felix.

A Good Safety - Will I never see you in a Cowboys uniform? Stop the bleeding Jerruh.

by SportsDrunk on Dec 20, 2011 6:43 PM CST reply actions  

the Ranger position themselves as big winners.........

after Yu Darvish is in the stable the other great news will follow. it will crush the Halos but they were second place anyway. that’s s great place for them. remember – Wilson gave up the home run in the All Star game to Prince Fielder that gave the N L the home field advantage. Wilson’s last win was posted 09/11/11 vs Oakland. he didn’t win a game after that. he either had ND or losses. the World Series ended on 10/29/11. that’s a month and a half without a win. what does that say? I’d say the # 3 pitcher on any team by any name.

you don’t think he had something to do with the Rangers ability to close out the World Series? I do. he choked.

by Russell E Scott on Dec 20, 2011 10:16 PM CST reply actions  

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