Thursday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 22, 2011 9:49 AM CST
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PrintAnthony Andro writes that the Rangers and Angels are tilting the balance of power in the A.L. from the East to the West.
Drew Davison's notes at the S-T talk about the Luis Martinez trade, Josh Hamilton's accountability partner, and the signing of Matt Kata to a minor league contract.
T.R. Sullivan also has some notes on the additions of Martinez and Kata.
MJH is filling in for Joey Matches this morning, and offers his thoughts on the Rangers and how they are being run, and how it relates to Yu Darvish.
Randy Galloway has an entire column about how he can't get Nolan Ryan on the phone to talk to him about Yu Darvish (Nolan is on vacation), but he's assuming Nolan wasn't in favor of getting Darvish, apparently because Galloway isn't in favor of getting Darvish. Galloway also reluctantly concedes that Jon Daniels and the front office have "good reputations" but that they are putting them on the line with "an unknown kid out of Japan."
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Oh Randy
If you had dropped 100k on plastic surgery you could have had the Skip Bayless career path.
He's not THAT bad.
Galloway doesn’t really hide the fact that he’s doing a bit.
by blakethegr8 on Dec 22, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
God bless you
for reading Galloway so the rest of dont have to. Of course, since RG hasnt had an orignal thought in decades you might not be reading him either and are just bluffung us out
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
Grandpa Yurine
Can’t get Nolan on the phone because Nolan doesn’t want to give it to him.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 22, 2011 9:55 AM CST reply actions
My brother had dinner right next to him on Saturday night in Georgetown.
I was totally pissed he didn’t tell me until afterward because I was going to have him ask about Darvish and if we were going to get him or not.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
let a guy eat his dinner in peace
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
ok, a little note
“hope Yu are enjoying YUor dinner”, or just wait for him to sneeze, then jump and yell “bless Yu” and look at him, slowly nodding.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Why would Nolan Ryan extol the virtues of Yu?
They’ve got contract negotiations going on, and if says too much positive, that could inflate the pitcher’s contract. And if he doesn’t say something glowing about him, then the fans are going to wonder why they spent so much money on the bid. I guess Galloway expects media star treatment from someone who probably doesn’t care whether somebody is a media star or not.
x
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/12/22/2654904/lsb-offseason-community-prospect-ranking-22
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Galloway is such a beating
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Galloway is such a beating
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
heh woops
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
This deserves to be said twice.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
by Atticus F on Dec 22, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Miserable old man
thinks people actually care about his opinion.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
That's it!!
Einhorn is Finkle! Finkle is Einhorn! JW is Galloway!!
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 22, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
BRILLIANT!!
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
i'll leave this rec right here
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
You know who reminds me of Wales when they're a guest on the radio?
Kevin Mench. He pretty much shits all over JD at every possible opportunity.
by blakethegr8 on Dec 22, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
And how has that worked out for him?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I now think he's a bitter asshole who has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to baseball.
So there’s that.
by blakethegr8 on Dec 22, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Hahah.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Can't blame him
since JD threw his crappy ass off the team twice
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
It wasn't Mench's fault
that his shoes didn’t fit.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 22, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
He does interviews from time to time.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Seems like an odd guy to interview...
besides throught he would be back home in the lovely state of Delaware when the playing days are done.
They interviewed CJ Nitkowski
anyone remember him? I didn’t think so.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
So does this mean
we are the “Matt Kata Rangers” again?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
hell fucking yes
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
hell fucking no
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Dec 22, 2011 10:15 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
hell fucking maybe?
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
hell fucking Yu
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I don't read Galloway much
Does he always write in that choppy, 1 sentence, stream of consciousness style? Cuz it’s a beating.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
yeah
even without the terrible opinions, his writing just blows
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
You actually listen to that mumbling drunk?
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
Sometimes.
If there’s a commercial on the Ticket. I would much rather listen to Galloway than Greggo.
by blakethegr8 on Dec 22, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Really?
Greggos been pretty good. It’s Richie that’s a fucking beating, but Greggo’s personality is pretty much back to what made him so entertaining at the Ticket. His opinions aren’t always great, but he doesn’t take himself too seriously, and he’s very self-deprecating. On good behavior and sober, he makes good talk radio.
Richie is a complete fuckhole that is doing his damndest to follow the Skip-Bayless-contrarian-dumbass-opinion path to success.
Maybe a lot of it is Richie, but that show is a beating.
The girl on there is a beating too.
by blakethegr8 on Dec 22, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
So when the Rangers invest ~$100M in Adrian Beltre,
we hear that they need to invest in pitching.
When the Rangers invest a similar amount in pitching, we hear that it’s a bad idea and could get the GM fired.
….
=|
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Hindman's article was really well done.
Smart piece.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yes, I don't always agree with Hindman,
but he seemingly never fails to make me think about things in a different way for the next few hours.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
and of course the investment in Beltre was a massive investment in pitching anyway...
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Dec 22, 2011 10:16 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
No it wasn't,
it was a shot across the bow or some nonsense.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
With that hot corner defense
I think it could be said that it was an investment in pitching…or is my sarcasm meter broken?
At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.
by TargetField on Dec 22, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Yes.
GB was giving the dumb argument. He agrees with you… wrote more than one article citing the value of Beltre’s defense on BBTiA pre -signing.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Bah
I am sicker than a dog from my Vegas trip, I will be coherent again in a few days.
At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.
by TargetField on Dec 22, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Quality video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFIKk6o0W2U
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Keep in mind that these people are shaping the opinions of North Texas Sports Fan.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Casual North Texas Sports Fans
JD is a ninja assassin, plain and simple.
by Megatr0n on Dec 22, 2011 2:36 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Who decided to put those two faces on TV?
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
No.
That man’s name is Scott Feldman.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Dec 22, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wouldn't surprise me if they did.
But this is the first year where you could legitimately argue against it. They’ll probably be more focused on backup IF.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
I want it to be Luery Garcia so badly.
I know it’s impossible, but my heart wants him to be the team’s UIF so much.
How cute would that be? With his teeny little jersey?
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Dec 22, 2011 10:22 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Hahah.
I’d rather them wait a bit before depending on him that much.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
I'm thinking there is still a chance Feldman gets traded
With 2 year deals that the likes of Bruce Chen and Capuano are getting I would think a team would like Feldman at the back end of a rotation if we kicked in say $2m
He's a candidate,
his salary falls right into that range of guys who are getting paid too much for what he does here but would be paid appropriately for another team.
You’re probably looking at a (quasi) contender with black holes at the back end of the rotation, though. Hrm…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
no because somehow they always end up in a game
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
This made me think
that we’d likely be giving Tommy Hunter away if we hadn’t nabbed Koji with him.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Dec 22, 2011 10:20 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
You might get one of those guys signed to a minor league deal
and they’ll be in AAA to fill out that rotation, but I can’t imagine a Dave Bush/Brett Tomko guy gets any innings in ST starting in A games.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
OT
That AJM quote is actually a Lewis Black quote.
At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.
by TargetField on Dec 22, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Of course.
We need those quality starts, baby.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
My initial concern about the total investment for Yu
has given way to a coolaid sipping excitement about his debut season. I am very anxious to see how what his contract looks like. I also expect at least one major trade from JD this offseason, as is his wont.
On Rangers teams of yore, we’d be pretty excited about having Neil Ramirez join next year’s rotation based on his success in AAA. This year he’s not even in the discussion. In fact, he’s no better than 7th on the depth chart. Insane.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yep.
On the one hand, I can see how it isn’t that exciting because I’m not sure how much better than Ogando Yu will end up being this year.
But then you think about how is gained from the depth of Ogando in the bullpen and backing up the starting rotation and it becomes easier to see how much this helps the team for 2012…and then there’s the future value of Yu.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, something I initially underrated
is the impact of moving Ogando back to the pen. That’s worth quite a bit of money right there. With Nathan, Adams, Ogando and Koji in the pen, I find it hard to believe our FO would feel pressured to overpay within the division for Bailey.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yes, though we still hear rumors.
Plus how many teams have SP depth like Feldman and Ogando?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
None. Absolutely none.
Feldman alone would be a valuable member of many teams’ roto.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
I don't know about 'valuable',
but I think he could not suck. Especially if they had a good IF defense.
He’s getting paid a decent amount, so there’s not as much surplus value as you’d expect.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Depends on which Feldman they'd be getting
If its the 2009 version or the late 2011 version, they’d be getting a decent amount of surplus value on that contract.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
If he's a 1.5-2.0WAR pitcher,
that’s like 7.5-10M, very approximately.
He makes 6.5M next year with a 0.6M buyout or 9.25M in 2013.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
You forget that silence sorrounds Jon Daniels
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Dec 22, 2011 10:35 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Daniels and Co.
I bet they keep talking to the A’s, Cubs and whoever else is trading away players this offseason, and to the point that it causes some consternation on this board and amongst a lot of Ranger fans.
But I bet part or most of the reason for those conversations would be to keep a good pulse on what the market looks like and what teams are asking for their Gio’s, Bailey’s, Garza’s and such. If the price stays high, and there are teams interested, JD can then turn the situation and start talking to those teams about how much they’d pay for any of our excess.
And he will probably be included in your "major" trade
scenario. NeRa that is.
"I've got a Harden!"
by ghostofPeterGardere on Dec 22, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Irrationally...
I think Perez gets dealt before Ramirez.
Of course I also think Ramirez will end up having the better career for no good reason other than gut.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I bet there's more variance of opinion on Perez
in other teams’ FO’s than we’d expect.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Given that Goldstein...
Put Perez on his July list of overrated prospects… we should expect that variance. He specifically said lots of FO are down on him.
Just have to find one that overvalues him and take advantage.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Interesting.
Yeah, he needs consistency. Hopefullly he can develop that this year in AAA.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Or at least wait until June/July
when he’s got a few months of AAA domination under his belt.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Well, unless someone does view him that way
He’s the guy it’s probably best to hold on to. If he’s not viewed as a future top of the rotation starter, you definitely don’t sell low on him now.
I was just looking at his page on Baseball Cube, and it’s startling to see how many guys he’s walked in his career. And it’s still surprising to see just how young he is. He’ll get another shot at AAA this year, as a 21-year old, so unless some team does value him like his top projection, and given our roto depth, he’s a perfect candidate to let mature for at least another year before making any moves.
Maybe,
but each year over the past few years, they have added quality major league players that now results in them being a good team with a very high ceiling and good depth. That depth doesn’t always work out, but the ability of this team to use it’s farm system for >ReplacementLevel production [Moreland, Chavez, Gentry] and address needs via trade is remarkable.
And it’s carries forward. Remember how big of a concern catcher was a year ago from today?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Give Ramirez and Perez one more season in the minors....
You want a glut of pitching at the ML level? Wait until 2013…..
Darvish
Holland
Feliz
Ogando
Harrison (if not traded)
Ramirez
Perez
And then imagine signing Hamels…..
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 22, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Plus Hamburger
dammit, you mention Mark Hamburger when you talk about 2013.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Dec 22, 2011 10:26 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Hahah.
How’s that bandwagon?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
It is glorious.
The Hamwagon is fantastic.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Dec 22, 2011 10:31 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Crazy how he has apparently looked pretty good as a starter thus far
Mark Hamburger for 2012 Rangers minor league pitcher of the year?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
JD needs to play hardball with Yu
Sign him for exactly what we want to sign him, no more.
Simply put. he either signs for what we want or, Sayanora Yu, have fun in Japan, enjoy the Ham, see ya next year. And we get our $50 million back.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
Damn
Galloway must have lost a ton of cash on the Series.
He’s be seriously trashing the Rangers ever since.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
by CrustytheCowboy on Dec 22, 2011 10:20 AM CST reply actions
Galloway needs to retire to Mount Crumpit
by erudy on Dec 22, 2011 10:21 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
The Grinch's small liver grew three sizes that day!
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 22, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Verbal Steatorrhea
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
I'd love to see the team try to sign Brad Hawpe or Ryan Spilborghs to a minor league deal
I’ve always liked those guys, especially Spilborghs, and we could use the depth.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I don't disagree,
though it also wouldn’t surprise me if between Martin, Borbon, Gentry, Murphy they feel like they have decent depth there.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Martin needs to play full time in AAA next year.
Gentry is an ideal fifth OF, but I still like the idea of bringing in Spilborghs for some camp competition. We need to find another Endy Chavez, a guy who can bounce between AAA and Arlington and fill in at any OF spot when needed.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yep.
I can’t believe we’re not even to January and we’re already focused on backup IF and AAA OF depth.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with clark that there's probably an unexpected move out there somewhere.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
As happy as I am with the Rangers team right now,
the CJ move still befuddles me a bit. If nothing else, was there no way for them to not piss him off (and maybe get him to think about a non-division rival)?
But yeah, I didn’t really start doing initial back of the napkin projections until yesterday and….yeah, the Rangers are going to be good.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Do you think this team could realistically afford
C.J. and Darvish with the upcoming young guys salary increases and needs to replace Hamilton/Cruz?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm not sure.
Would have been fun, though, no?
Still, I’m a bit uncomfortable with it all because if they lose the Yu bidding, which was entirely possible, we’re in a much different mood going forward.
JD: Aggressively Awesome.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
If we lost Darvish...
We trade for someone. I have zero doubt of that.
Darvish was Plan A. Plan A won out.
Normally posting takes place well before winter meetings… I think the only way we were going to keep C.J. was if we KNEW we couldn’t have Darvish (someone else wins or he officially decides not to post).
As long as Darvish was on the table… we weren’t going to do anything to impact that. It’s a bit of a gamble… but he was working trades out as a back up just in case.
I love this front office.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The only thing that didn't go according to plan
For Daniels and Co. was exactly what you said : Darvish posted late
I think they wanted to know if they won on Darvish before CJ signed, so he could be plan B. And I think they were trying to drag things out as much as they could to have it work that way.
Or we can forget WalMart and roll up to Northpark
and sign Beltran.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Dec 22, 2011 10:29 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
And play him where?
because he ain’t playing center, and that means Hamilton in CF full time.
also, he’d hit 8th here. and I don’t think that really plays into Beltran’s plans for world domination.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
If we're going to NorthPark why not go to the Gucci Store
And get Fielder?
JD is a ninja assassin, plain and simple.
by Megatr0n on Dec 22, 2011 2:52 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah, he'd be a fine get on a MiL deal
but my Beltran boner breaks bigger boundaries.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Dec 22, 2011 10:49 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Seriously, if you told me 5 years ago, that in 3 years
we would win back to back American League Pennants, and go to the World Series two years in a row, but lose them both. I’d have a hard time not being ridiculously excited, even with the losses.
Tell me we have a League MVP, new ownership, tons of stadium improvements, a new TV contract, OH and J.D. and most of the front office/scouting department are still in place. I’d have a hard time wiping that smile off my face!
"I've got a Harden!"
by ghostofPeterGardere on Dec 22, 2011 10:26 AM CST reply actions
Is this the list of all the things we are thankful for before we got Yu (and Nathan) ?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
I sort of wish we had one a world series, though
I can’t shake the feeling that we’re the Bills.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
If there was ever anything that would convince me we will win a World Series...
It’s clark comparing us to the Bills.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I can only hope
my power is that great.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Nah.
The thing that nobody talks about with the Bills when they mention those losses is that they were never even the 2nd best team in the NFL those years.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
They were the 1st best team in 1990.
Giants won through effective gameplan… not talent.
They were pretty even in 1991 against the Redskins… but you could argue others too.
Bills were a clear step below both Cowboys and Niners in 92/93. I’d like to argue Raiders too, but the Bills beat them.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Ah, ok, I wasn't as sure about the 1990 one,
my earliest football memory was Norwood Wide Right.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Norwood wide right is the
equivalent of Cruz missing the catch on the Freese triple. /clark
"I've got a Harden!"
by ghostofPeterGardere on Dec 22, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
I thought this statement went away....the Bills have 2 more SB losses......
And never forget…..losing the WS is horrible but I would much rather lose the WS than be out of the playoff race in May…..every other team in the majors would (except for SF and StL) would love to be where the Rangers were over the last 2 seasons.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 22, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Tis better to be the Bills and gone...
than never have gone at all.
/Cleveland Browns
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
by Atticus F on Dec 22, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I would have gone with the Jags myself.
JD is a ninja assassin, plain and simple.
by Megatr0n on Dec 22, 2011 2:59 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
You hush your mouth! Forget the Bills!
We are on the right path. JD and Co. are revolutionizing the way things are done in this game. New CBA be damned. JD is the guy I feel the worst for, he has absolutely busted his ass the last 5 years!
"I've got a Harden!"
by ghostofPeterGardere on Dec 22, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
When are we going to sign David Aardsma
as our obligatory rehab case for 2012?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Zumaya's still out there too, no?
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Dec 22, 2011 10:50 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
My official irrational bargain bin free agent crush of the offseason
is Hong-Chih Kuo, the lefty who was recently non-tendered by the Dodgers. The guy has an incredible K rate and never had serious control problems until last year. He recently had some bone chips removed and he’s definitely an ongoing injury risk, but the upside is there.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Money for Yu
Does anyone think that the large amount of money that the Rangers are spending on Darvish might be showing a slight shift in the Rangers philosophy regarding international signings? With the new CBA’s restrictions on the amount of money you can spend on Latin America signings, I think the Rangers see Japan as the new area where they can evaluate the player and if they feel like it outbid everyone just as they have over the past couple of years in Latin America without the new restrictions from the CBA. This is definately more expensive than Latin America and there is not as much talent coming over from Japan as there is from Latin America but I would not be surprised if until something changes with the posting system that the Rangers put in the winning bid on many Japanese players.
Yes...
I’ve commented as such.
We can’t spend money in LA or in over slot bonuses… might as well shift it to getting the potential Ace out of Japan.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I can has Cespedes?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Cespedes
is going to end up being a circus since he is a true FA. I wonder if Soler will sign before or after Cespedes.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 22, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know much about Soler
other than Firebatt desires him greatly.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
I don't either.
Just a random thought I had about if he’ll let Cespedes set the market and be the consolation prize or will he try and sign before in order to be in front of the Cuban OF craze.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 22, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Cespedes
is going to end up being a circus Yankee since he is a true FA.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Probably true.
But the bidding is going to be entertaining.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 22, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah,
unlike Yu, we’ve been hearing rumors of the Yanks preparing to show their money penis for this one.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Marlins are going to money swordfight them
A Cuban star in Little Havana? That will move some fuckin’ tickets.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
NEVER TOUCH THEM TOGETHER
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
if they sign Soler now
is it part of the new CBA? Or does that start with next year’s J2 period?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
from ask BA
The new CBA provides for a $2.9 million international cap for each team for the 2012-13 signing period, which doesn’t start until July 2.
hurry up and sign him!
as soon as you legally can, that is.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
could be fortunate timing for the kid
As the last guy that can actually be bid on like old, he might land himself quite a pay day.
I haven’t heard that much, but I’d love to get another high upside position player under the age of 20 in the system
You'd think
Texas would be interested both he and Cespedes with no true power-hitting COF prospects in full season ball next year and with Cruz and Hamilton coming up on FA.
I'm sure they are
but I get the feeling that they feel Cespedes’ price is going to outrun his value.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I think the Darvish signing had more to do with
them seeing a possible TORP pitcher than a shift in philosophy….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 22, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
I think that Darvish being a possible TORP had a big impact in the amount they are going to invest but
I think going forward they are going to put a lot of their money into the Japanese market since they won’t be able to go as crazy on LA signings as they have in the past.
I'm not sure the Japanese market is that good of an investment
Not many guys like Darvish over there and when they are there, its not that much cheaper of an investment then signing big FAs here.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I think this is sort of a isolated thing
LA produces hundreds of lotto tickets every year. Japan does not produce 25 year old TORPs with six year track records every year.
But I agree that us being neutered in the LA market probably helped justify the shift in spending in the short term.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I don't think it's isolated...
In that the Rangers will always seek opportunities everywhere… including Japan.
But I do think it’s also a once in a lifetime type of talent thing too.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I hadn't thought of this way... but if Jamey's point is correct... wow.
If A.J. Preller and Don Welke and Josh Boyd and Jim Colborn and Joe Furukawa — all of whom were instrumental in the decision to sign Lewis — believe Darvish is worth stepping out on, as a pitcher and as a competitor and as a person and as an athlete capable of making adjustments he’s never had to make before, that he’s the Dirk Nowitzki to Nomo’s Detlef Schrempf, then I have a hard time getting too worried about whether this hill will be too much for him to climb.
via Newberg
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That comp...
needs to be taken seriously and only used in special circumstances.
And I LOVE it.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Dec 22, 2011 10:52 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
It's really hard to predict.
I think you’re better off just tuning out the nonsense for the next 3 weeks.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Yu Darvish debut.... Monday April, 9 against Seattle?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 22, 2011 10:56 AM CST reply actions
I expect Sunday rather than Monday.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
u think I should get Sunday and Monday then? I already am getting opening day...
hmmmm…. maybe i should just get the first 5 home games?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 22, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
I'm planning on going to every game of that homestand for the first week.
You’ll also want to see Feliz make his first start too.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Probably depends a lot on spring training.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
or Holland
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
I like Monday because of the whole Irchiro/Yu thing, plus it lets Yu get a relatively easy start
But I also want to break up the lefties.
by blakethegr8 on Dec 22, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
So who gets the start vs Round Rock?
Yu or Feliz, I presume. I wasn’t going to bother this year, but if Yu is making the start, I’m all over it.
I like pretty dark haired women and breakfast food. - Ron Swanson
by Axe Em Rangers on Dec 22, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Anybody watch the MLBN top 10 postseason countdown?
Seemed odd to put the Matt Moore ALDS game 1 on the list. Price v. Lewis in game 3 was the most important and best game of that series.
Dongs.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
all i remember from that game is me and futurepants ripping CJ...
that game was awful.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 22, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Not available
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
If you like 4-lettered-first name starting pitchers,
perhaps you’d like to take a look at this Wade Davis, currently on sale (and still overpriced)?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Just had a thought:
Do Yu think that ESPN is going to create a media frenzy for Yu like they did for DiceK?
This makes me wonder if we’ll get more national games, especially early on.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Agreed. Matsuzaka frenzy was in large part due to him playing in Boston.
by RangersfaninROK on Dec 22, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
But you do have the 2 time defending AL champs
Plus Hamilton. There’s a lot of national media love for the Rangers right now.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Agree that this will be an interesting development to watch
To start, I’m obviously more interested in how he looks as a pitcher in the ML
But I’ll be curious to see how the ESPN/East Coast media deals with all the hype. There seems to be a storyline developing that the West (more specifically the Angels/Rangers) is a hotter cauldron of competition than the East, and the AL West has 2 emerging/dominant organizations. So maybe that gives them their lede to go with.
But the initial reaction from several points on that East Coast media dial were typical: Texas paid too much, he’s going to be a flop just like Dice-K and this is just the Rangers doing like what they did for A-rod
I saw a couple spots where the talking heads were chuckling …
lol Beetleberg
Tyler Chatwood brought the Angels a frontline catcher in Chris Iannetta.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Erm...
…well, I guess the potential is maybe still there…somewhere?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Jobu thinks he is.
Jobu has a bet with me that he puts up 3 fWAR this year.
3 wins is a front line catcher.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I believe there were around 10 catchers that put up 3 WAR in 2011 in all of baseball
If Iannetta indeed puts up 3 wins in 2012, that will be a huge improvemen for the Angels in that position. That may spell a lot of trouble for us. Hope you win the bet.
by RangersfaninROK on Dec 22, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
The Rox
have been waiting for this to happen for years
As a part time fan of the team, I have to say, I’ve been waiting for that to happen as well.
The tools to put it together are there, but they’ve been there for years now, and the real step forward has eluded him.
We’ll see …
well, he will be a starter
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
former ranger 1st rounder kasey kiker has been released
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 22, 2011 11:26 AM CST reply actions
little Timmy
was tops on our board, as the story goes, but he got plucked right before we drafted that year
Maybe we do have a chance...
BizballMaury Maury Brown
I would look for Fielder to get at least a 5-yr deal. If that’s the contract length look for between $110M-$130M, maybe more
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Ok,
as an admitted anti-sign-Fielder guy, I’m intrigued.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
5/130 is a no brainer
imfo
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I couldn't say no to 5/110 for Fielder
5/130 gets dicier, but I’m still not sure I’d say no to that.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
The Money Penis
Shall explode once more.
JD is a ninja assassin, plain and simple.
by Megatr0n on Dec 22, 2011 3:09 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Buster Olney's "The Jays weren't even close" comment
So he followed up on it in his column today, and it shows it was a complete guess based on finances and a very flawed understanding of game theory:
There’s no way Toronto made a bid at those numbers. And the educated guess here is that Texas blew everybody else out of the water, including the Blue Jays.
Going into the Darvish bidding, executives with all teams understood that for a high-end talent like a Matsuzaka, or a Darvish, the bar had been set by the Red Sox offer. If anyone intended to be aggressive, to make sure they would win, they would probably need to place a beyond north of Boston’s bid. It’s logical.
So it would have been completely illogical for the Jays to bid $50 million. That would be like the Marlins tendering an offer of $100 million to Albert Pujols at the winter meetings, well below what St. Louis had offered last winter, or if the Yankees had offered C.J. Wilson three years and $45 million. If the Blue Jays were jacked up and flush with money and were going all out to win, they would have bid $51.5 million, or $55 million, or $60 million.
So if only 1 team made the $51.7 million bid, it apparently would be illogical to bid around $30-40 million. Of course that bid will lose… except if everyone thinks that way. Oh and then compare it to a completely different style of free agency – where the player chooses the money to accept. So stupid.
x
There’s no way Toronto made a bid at those numbers. And the educated guess here is that Texas blew everybody else out of the water, including the Blue Jays.
Going into the Darvish bidding, executives with all teams understood that for a high-end talent like a Matsuzaka, or a Darvish, the bar had been set by the Red Sox offer. If anyone intended to be aggressive, to make sure they would win, they would probably need to place a beyond north of Boston’s bid. It’s logical.
So it would have been completely illogical for the Jays to bid $50 million. That would be like the Marlins tendering an offer of $100 million to Albert Pujols at the winter meetings, well below what St. Louis had offered last winter, or if the Yankees had offered C.J. Wilson three years and $45 million. If the Blue Jays were jacked up and flush with money and were going all out to win, they would have bid $51.5 million, or $55 million, or $60 million.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I seriously don't care what other teams bid on Yu now
Our scouts have been evaluating Yu intensively for quite a time now.
Our ability to evaluate international talents is the best in the business.
If our guys decided Yu was worth bidding $51mil for, then I’m sure he’s worth that much.
What others bid on Yu is totally irrelevant at this point.
by RangersfaninROK on Dec 22, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
The Andro piece put the biggest smile on my face.
The best part was “If you can’t beat them, at least you can pick up their pieces.”
El oh el
JD is a ninja assassin, plain and simple.
by Megatr0n on Dec 22, 2011 2:18 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
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