The impact of moving Alexi Ogando to the bullpen
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 22, 2011 12:01 PM CST
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PrintThe (presumed) addition of Yu Darvish to the Texas Rangers rotation has resulted in a strange and unusual situation for Rangers fans...wondering what the team is going to do with six starters for a five man rotation.
Numerous solutions have been bandied about. Ken Rosenthal, among others, suggested that Texas go to a six man rotation. That's a terrible idea, and the less said about that, the better.
One of the other popular suggestions has been to put Alexi Ogando back in the bullpen. There are several reasons why that makes sense...he was effective as a reliever in 2010, he's a two-pitch pitcher who profiles better as a reliever than as a starter, and while he started off great in the rotation last season, he faded badly down the stretch. You also have to be worried about Ogando's ability to hold up for 32 starts in 2012 after his greatly increased workload in 2011.
However...there's a wrinkle here, as well. Here's the Ranger bullpen at this point:
Some lefty
The Rangers almost certainly aren't going to go with an eight man bullpen. Of course, I say that now, but they started the 2011 season with an eight man bullpen, which included Dave Bush, Mason Tobin, and Arthur Rhodes. So I guess it is possible there's an eight man bullpen to start the 2012 season, though it is highly likely it will be seven for most of the season.
And of course, the Rangers are supposedly also interested in adding Oakland closer Andrew Bailey to the mix.
But let's assume that Bailey isn't added, that the Rangers go with Ogando to the bullpen, and they stick with a seven man bullpen.
Who do you drop from the bullpen?
Feldman? You'd have to pay the bulk of his contract to get another team to take him off your hands, and then you don't have a long man.
The random lefty? That's unlikely...the Rangers aren't going to go with no lefthander out of the bullpen. Even going with just one lefty is unusual, although if you have Koji Uehara in the bullpen, who is effective at neutralizing lefties, you could probably get away with it.
Or are you going to trade Uehara? The Rangers were reportedly looking at moving him earlier this offseason, but if you move him, you increase the need for another lefty in the bullpen. There's also a supposition that the Rangers would like to have Tateyama and Uehara on the team and in the clubhouse to assist Darvish in his acclimatization to the United States and to MLB.
Either Lowe or Tateyama would appear to be the odd man out in this scenario, Tateyama because he's limited primarily to facing righthanded hitters and has an option, Lowe because he can probably be traded (albeit for not much of a return) and he'd be pretty far down in the righty setup/middle relief pecking order if Ogando goes back to the bullpen.
This is working off the assumption, of course, that all your relievers are healthy come the start of the year. Someone could tweak a hamstring or strain an oblique and end up on the disabled list to start the season, which would allow you to punt off the final decision for a while. These things often have a way of working themselves out.
Nevertheless, while moving Ogando to a relief role would relieve the logjam in the rotation, it would create a new one in the bullpen.
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I think this is the most likely result.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Throws some heat though
and has some upside. Definitely a good guy to trade for a fringe prospect, cash, or a UIF/backup SS.
Yeah he throws hard
They hit it hard, too. I’ve never thought that guy would amount to anything.
by Black Francis on Dec 22, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Nope.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
You cannot do that to Feliz He
by Mantis Be Praised on Dec 22, 2011 12:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Stupid iPhone
Anyways Feliz will start this year in the rotation no matter what. Lowe or Yoshi has ro be dropped. I still have faith in Yoshi
by Mantis Be Praised on Dec 22, 2011 12:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
btw
looking at those pitchers… they really need Ogando in the pen in a fireman type of role. I got no faith in Lowe or Yoshii
but you do in Koji?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 22, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
People who judge Koji on such a small sample...
Aren’t doing it right.
For almost three years Koji has been one of the best relievers in baseball.
Do you think Michael Young is going to hit .200 next year because he had a shitty post season?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Dec 22, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know that it's the fact that Koji had a meltdown in Arlington so much as what kind of meltdown he had that bothers people.
Koji’s always had flyball problems, and that has historically meant trouble at the RBiA.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
He will always be dong prone.
But he also strikes out a ton of people and almost never walks anyone.
I do think something was off for a bit… but I also don’t think it’s some permanent problem.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
agree
it was the loss of his splitter that killed him
He went through a rut and couldn’t get that pitch to drop. It was sitting at the top of the zone, coming in at 80 mph, and it got tattooed … a lot
I see no reason why he can’t revert to better control of that pitch
I never really followed Koji before he came to Texas
But what about the idea of starting him at AAA Round Rock? That would give him a chance to gain some acclimation to pitching in Texas, while also giving him time to figure out his control issues.
I just don’t feel too comfortable dropping one of the more consistent pitchers (yoshi mainly) for Koji right now due to Koji’s postseason performance.
Plus, I like having a hometown boy in Lowe, but that might be because I attend his alma mater. =|
How is RR going to acclimate him to RBIA?
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Dec 22, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Koji's been great before coming to Texas
but his time in Texas has been so epically bad so far, that I find it hard to blame someone who doesn’t have much faith in him. I wouldn’t trade him and I’d give him a second shot with the new season, but its not like people who are hating on him have no reason to do so.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Yes... a bad reason is different than the absence of a reason.
Judging a pitcher with as much data as we have on him based on 2 months of performance is a terrible idea.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That's not *entirely* true IF the data reveals that his biggest weakness has been amplified to intolerable levels after moving to the RBiA run environment.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Does it reveal that?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It's a huge red flag.
I know it’s an SSS, but it’s the exact kind of data we should be concerned about.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
There's been a significant amount of research...
Into HR/FB rate and how variable it is in small samples… it’s why xFIP was created.
Simply pitching in Arlington will not make his weakness amplified to intolerable levels. Koji gave up HR on the road too when he was pitching poorly for us.
The concern with Koji is how he actually pitches… not where. The amount of additional HRs he’d give up in Arlington if he pitches like he did for the past three years over a 60 inning season is probably at most 3… and that’d be a big jump.
Run environments do not explain the issues he had last August and October. Or why his September was fucking awesome.
He wasn’t missing bats and he has to in order to succeed. I’m not going to assume he magically lost the ability to pitch for the rest of his life… it’s possible… but unlikely.
Expectations should still be of a quality reliever for Koji.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He gave up 5 HRs in 18 regular season innings
and got destroyed in the playoffs. With the inconsistency of every RP in baseball, I don’t see why its so wrong for someone to not have that much faith that Koji’s HR problems will just go away because they weren’t as bad in Baltimore. You’ve been saying how we shouldn’t just assume Colby’s hip is okay, so why is it so different and wrong to not just flatly assume Koji will not be as HR prone as he’s been? It would be far from the first time that a RP has just imploded and never been the same.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Very big difference
In a medical issue vs someone pitching poorly.
Do you really think probability favors Koji pitching like he did in that small sample versus the larger in a player with his experience?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No
but I don’t agree that you can just rule it out. There’s a reason xFIP exists, but there’s also a reason xFIP isn’t the final say on pitching stats. Much like with Holland when he was pitching here to start his career, I think there’s a reason that Koji gave up as many HRs as he did. That reason wasn’t bad luck, but simply bad pitching. Its very possible given his track record that whatever was wrong with him is fixed, but I’m not going to take it as a guarantee.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Let me be clear...
I don’t think he suffered from bad luck. I think he was pitching poorly.
I do not know the reason why… perhaps he was just uncomfortable… I dunno.
And I agree that you cannot guarantee it won’t be an issue next year too. It could be.
I’m talking probability… I think the probability favors him pitching closer to the nearly three years he did prior to coming to the Rangers than the 2 months after we got him.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
What do you put the probability at?
With RPs, I’m never too gung ho about giving them all the benefit of the doubt especially when they implode as badly as Koji did here.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
My feel...
I’d say something like 75-80% that he pitches around 85-90% of what he did during 2010 and 2011 in Baltimore.
I think the HR park factor of RBIA will lead to a few more dongs and higher ERA… in the 2’s instead of the 1’s.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm not that confident
I think there’s like a 60% chance he’s back to his Baltimore self, maybe 65%. A good ST showing would be great to see, but my confidence in him (and possibly his confidence in himself too) took a big hit this past September/October.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Let's not go overboard on the experience thing. He's pitched, what, 200 innings in the big leagues?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
And several years in the NPB.
He has spent a long time on the art of pitching. That experience counts too…
See Darvish, Yu and Lewis, Colby.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Well, experience can also be a bad thing
when you’re talking about a guy getting up there in age.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
That's not an issue with experience...
But one of the human body.
Each body is different… his decline was too sudden and in the middle of a good year to make me think it was related to him suddenly getting old.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It doesn't need to be a "He got old, thus he sucked"
but when you’re talking about bouncing back from the “he sucked” part, age plays a role.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
That is a very fair statement.
I just meant that experience in and of itself isn’t a bad thing.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah, I didn't mean to make that point
Love me some experience that hopefully leads to more craftiness (like when Omar intentionally dropped an easy pop up to get the faster baserunner in Ichiro out).
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
probably right
but when your fastball is 89-90, the margin of error is so much smaller. if he loses just a little something off the splitter…. I just have to think he was just way overhyped coming over to a playoff contender midseason when serving up those big fat hanging splitter gopherballs.
and xFip…don’t those guys with abnormally high homerun rates on flyballs often simply get selected out of the league rather than revert to league avg?
i didnt judge him... I just asked him if he had faith in koji
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 22, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
what? he's not????
JD is a ninja assassin, plain and simple.
by Megatr0n on Dec 22, 2011 1:26 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
One of the dumber contract extensions
Pretty ERAs and W-L records make people dumb. I place it above the MY extension.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Dec 23, 2011 2:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do you not remember all the shit Darren Oliver has taken from people here...
despite being one of the best relievers in baseball both years?
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
I've only been here one year...
And I think Rhodes got more grief in 2011 than Oliver. Of course Rhodes probably absorbed a lot of the FF hate that I’ve heard about.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
it's the curse of relief pitching
bad memories stick out way more than good ones, and relievers get fewer innings in which to erase them and/or level out their stats.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Very good point.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
DAT PITCHING DEPTH
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Lowe
While I like Lowe and what he can give to a bullpen we just don’t need him. Ogando-Koji in the 8th with Nathan in the 7th is the perfect set-up. If we can get a Melo (great upside but very raw) or a Blanco with him then do it and don’t look back
What's the rumpus?
Nathan in the 7th?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
No way Nathan is in the 7th inning.
No freaking way.
by RangersSD on Dec 22, 2011 12:24 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, I'm just seeking some clarification.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
are we forgetting about mike adams?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 22, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Yes.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I don't think we're paying Nathan $14 mil over 2 yrs to pitch in the 7th
by RangersfaninROK on Dec 22, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
The continued rumors about Bailey make me thing this might not wind up being far from the truth
I wonder
Do I love you - or the thought of you?
Koji
So now do you think Koji will be ok and not the one we saw last fall?
by frankhowardfan on Dec 22, 2011 12:27 PM CST reply actions
Trade Ogando?
I see lots of talk about a potential trade of Holland/Harrison, but why not consider trading Ogando? He is coming off of a very solid year as a SP, and his value may never be higher. I believe Ogando’s role is truly as a reliever (whereas Hollad and Harrison are definitely SPs), so why not consider trading Ogando while he’s young-ish, cheap and under team control to a team who views him as a SP.
by Topgun22 on Dec 22, 2011 12:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah I think this is a option that has been overlooked
If you can find a team that views him as a SP I think we should look into trading him. We may not be able to get a Latos type package back but I bet we could get a couple really nice near ML ready prospects and depending on what team it is those could line up with weaknesses we have in our system.
Or you just keep him
Knowing that it’s unlikely we’ll get the same kind of reliability (in terms of injury) from our starting five this year.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
This is where I'm at.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Me too
I think we really need all that depth in our pitching department. I don’t know what to expect from our starters next season. Especially Feliz and Yu. We need Feldman and Ogando to step up in case something goes wrong with one of our guys in the roto.
by RangersfaninROK on Dec 22, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Well, Feldman and Ogando don't both need to fill that role, right?
I would think that Feldman could fill-in for any injured starters, and if we have multiple injuries, then we find someone on the scrap heap to give us some spot starts.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Value...
Right, so we can’t assume the rotation stays as healthy this year. So, the job if the FO is to decide if Ogando has more value to the team as a 7th inning RP/6th SP, or if there’s more value in what he would bring back in trade. Especially considering the Rangers have other viable candidates for both roles Ogando would fill as the team is currently constituted (ie Koji in 7th, Feldman as SP6)
by Topgun22 on Dec 22, 2011 12:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If someone blows you away, you obviously do that.
Of course.
But what makes you think that’s going to happen other than hope?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Ogando is better than Feldman.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I dont believe Ogando will be anything more than a emergency option at starter in 2012 if hes moved to the pen
We have Feldman who will be the primary spot starter whenever we know we need another starter due to injury/illness etc.
I also think we will sign a veteran type starter to stash in AAA with a opt out clause should more than 1 of our starters go down within the first 6-8 weeks of the season.
Once June rolls around I believe Perez and Ramirez will be looked at and used as replacement starters if needed.
Ogando will be a reliever first and foremost and likely solely in 2012.
Ogando > Feldman
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
No argument here
Although I think a healthy Feldman is not too terribly much worse than Ogando
But just because Ogando is better than Feldman doesn’t mean he will be the first spot starter
Its much easier to use your long man as your spot starter than take a integral part of your late inning relief out to make him a spot starter
This
One thing that was made apparent last year and I think could tip the balance in the war for the west this year is depth. The Angels bought themselves another starter in CJ, but beyond him and Williams, they don’t have as much to fall back on if there are injuries in their roto or pen.
For 2 teams that stack up pretty close, depth could be what decides the division.
Unless there’s a real steal of a deal out there for Ogando, Harry or Colby, the marginal value of keeping your depth to help win the west if probably more valuable.
Feliz
So how does Adam’s description of Ogando differ from Feliz? They are both better suited for the bullpen. I think that should be the discussion….Feliz or Ogando in the pen?
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
What makes you say that Feliz is better suited for the bullpen?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Well Ogando spent his minor league career as a starter throwing an offspeed pitch.
And Feliz is a converted position player with no real starting experience before last year with only two pitches.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
OH WAIT.
THOSE TWO THINGS ARE ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE OF TRUE.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
HOLY SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT!
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Feliz is not going to the pen.
0% chance
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
by Bface on Dec 22, 2011 12:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yup
I think we’re paying Nathan $14 mil just so that we can have Feliz start.
It would make no sense at all to put him back in the pen.
by RangersfaninROK on Dec 22, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
0%
Is that like when meteorologists say that we have an 80% chance of precipitation for a certain day and then when that day comes, there isn’t a cloud in the sky.
No.
It’s like when you put a letter in the mail to Kate Upton asking her to have sex with you, but you don’t put an address on it and it says “K8 Uptown” on the front.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Seems like a good porn name.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Change it to "Downtown" and it is
JD is a ninja assassin, plain and simple.
by Megatr0n on Dec 22, 2011 1:31 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Nope. It's nothing like that.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Better chance of them trading Feliz
Than of asking him to go back to the pen
And I’d peg the former chances at less than 5%
You're probably right.
JD and team are forcing Nef’s hand to start. We’ll see how that turns out.
"It was wrote." by boomer1 on Jul 12, 2011 3:41 PM CDT
by bagsofnothing on Dec 22, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Well, for one thing
the team has said they want Feliz in the rotation in 2012. The team knows a lot more about Feliz than we do, so I’m going to trust them on this until they say otherwise.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Too early
I don’t see why the Rangers need to make that call right now. I get the Feliz-as-a-starter thing, just cuz that guy needs to get his focus right after the drama he had last ST. In ST someone will undoubtedly need a T-J or be in-effective for the Rangers, or another team. If we brought in a Bailey or other late-innings guy, I’d have to think Adams would be an interesting name to see what we could get in return.
I never want to see Mark Lowe pitch in a Rangers uniform again.
Completely irrational, but I’ve got some pretty deep wounds here, you guys.
so much blood loss from those last 2 games
I can’t bring myself to think about it long enough to make any one player shoulder that burden
Lots of fail to go around with that type of collapse
Yup, and technically I have a hard time blaming Lowe
Washington should have never put him in that position. IIRC, that was his first appearance since returning from injury. It’s really unbelievable.
Trade Something
And get a decent 1stbaseman. it could be a combo of starters or relivers for some 1stbase person. Mooreland needs to go, make him part of the trade as well. the black hole at 1st base is glaring.
suggestions
oh wait, we could just sign the one left-handed, power-hitting 1B who doesn’t have a job and probably is getting close to giving the Rangers some sort of discount …
No, he might very well be worse
AND he’d cost more money. How is that good?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
According to Fangraphs last year
Loney was better then Moreland in most offensive categories. Avg, OBP, OPS, and woba. So, how is Moreland better then Loney ? Also, Loney plays in a super pitchers ballpark. He ought to cost more because he’s better. Still, he would be a lot cheaper then Prince. I am not a Loney fan, I just think he’s better then Moreland, and Moreland needs to go.
because we have more info to go on than just 2011
when Moreland was suffering from a wrist injury. Until Moreland’s injury he was outperforming Loney by a good measure (wOBA in the .350-360 range in the year from his ML debut until late June this year). And again, Moreland is cheaper.
If you make a change at 1B, it is NOT for someone like Loney.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Moreland only has a little more then 2011 to go on
So, i f you include 2010 and 2011 Loney is still better. How can you say Moreland is better?
This Loney biz-ness is Looney.
The marginal upgrade (even if it is there) is not worth the extra $4+ Million it would cost.
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Dec 22, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Moreland, for one
he’ll make less than $1 million. Who can you get for less than 1 million these days? Moreland’s career OPS pre-injury was .833. Loney’s career OPS is .778. We have a LOT of data that says Loney is a very below-average 1B. We have a little data that says Moreland might be better, and he costs a lot less for a team that is already hugely increasing its payroll. It pays the Rangers to give Moreland a chance to prove himself. It does absolutely nothing for the Rangers to take on a more expensive player that is has shown for several seasons that he’s not very good.
Upgrade 1B? Sure, but pick a much better player with which to do so.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
So
who would you upgrade 1stbase with? I could see M.Young getting more time there then Moreland,
by SanDiegoKev on Dec 22, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
I'd play Moreland
rotating in Young and Napoli from time to time just like they did last year. If Moreland doesn’t cut it you consider an upgrade, but you give Moreland the chance to show what he can do when healthy again. If the 2010-11 pre-injury guy was the real Moreland, you have a backup outfielder in addition to a pretty decent 1B cheap, allowing you the flexibility to sub in the OF and use money to upgrade in other areas if needed.
Upgrading at 1B really only makes sense if it’s a slam dunk upgrade, and that costs a lot of money and potentially reduces your flexibility on the field and on the payroll.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
x
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
have heard #indians considering every 1b or OF "not named prince.’’ so that includes beltran, d. lee, kotchman, c. pena.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I got more faith in the Boob than Heyman
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
If we sign Prince for 5 years...
And end up with Darvish, Fielder and Feliz in the rotation…
I’m declaring greatest off season ever.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Oh, definitely.
Are we still going to Darvish’s first start?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Absolutely.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If Fielder's in the rotation,
Then Wash really does need to go.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
That would be interesting.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Didn't you see him strike his Dad out
In that old McDonald’s commercial?
By the way, if Fielder gets thinner in the near future, it’ll be his first days on the planet as a non fat guy (spoken from one who has some scale-related challenges himself). Prince has been chubby all his life.
And ...
then Mitch Moreland and some farm pieces to the Rays for BJ’s last year before FA?
All right, maybe I’m going a bit far here, but …
that would be awesome
but I have been wanting him since last year…
Plug him in for a year and if he flops you got Lyones waiting in the wings.. if it all clicks you have another nice trade piece…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Wellllll duuuuh
Except for the Feliz in the rotation part.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Dec 23, 2011 2:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm trying to rationalize the belief that this will make Choo expendable, but I'm having a hard time. Someone help me.
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loves me some Choo
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I want to help, but I can't
No way they trade him away when his value is this low when he has good chance to bounce back next year.
Would love to have him though. He’s a great player.
by RangersfaninROK on Dec 22, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Lowe can go.
His FB is a Carpenter’s Dream—Flat as a board, easy to nail.
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Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
x
Flat as a board, easy to nail
LSJ’s dream girl
by elvis1isking on Dec 22, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
x
@Buster_ESPN
Buster Olney Oakland moving closer to a Gio Gonzalez trade, with the bidding down to two teams — Washington is one, perhaps MIA or BOS the other.
by RangersfaninROK on Dec 22, 2011 1:17 PM CST reply actions
Strasburg, Gio, Zimmerman, Lannan, ?
With the position player talent they’ve got… 88-win team? 2nd WC?
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NL East
is starting to get quite competitive
Phillies have no offense but don’t really need it
The Marlins, well, they have an offense, and a pretty good team if Johnson bounces back
The Braves are pretty solid too
Only the Mets are in rebuild mode
I wanna be in the club too
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Dec 22, 2011 1:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not a believer in the Nats
There aren’t good enough up the middle with Espinosa and Desmond. Rizzo’s a dumbass too. He lucked into Strasburg and Harper.
This is fun!
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Dec 22, 2011 1:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do they have the pieces to meet Beane's demands?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I like this quartet more than what the Pads got for Latos
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btho Iowa State
Per the quote..
“There’s also a supposition that the Rangers would like to have Tateyama and Uehara on the team and in the clubhouse to assist Darvish in his acclimatization to the United States and to MLB.”
I understand the sentiment but that won’t play well in The Room unless Yoshi & Koji earn their spots on the team.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You're back
And I see you brought your infectious optimism and agreeable dialogue.
by erudy on Dec 22, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And the odd capitalizations of random phrases
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Omar Beltre
will he be able to contribute this year?
He's a minor league free agent I believe.
We dropped him from the 40 earlier.
With his medical issue… he may never pitch again for any team.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He suffered catastrophic injury two days after declaring myself the driver of his bandwagon.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
This is why bandwagons need to have those things you blow into to start the bus.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Dec 22, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Nice.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Like this?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Now we're talking. Is Nick Markakis still good?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Holland.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I saw on MLBTR
The Orioles wanted Jair Jurrjens, Martin Prado and at least two of Brandon Beachy, Mike Minor, Julio Teheran, Arodys Vizcaino and Randall Delgado from the Braves.
by RangersfaninROK on Dec 22, 2011 2:03 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Oh come on
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
delusional
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btho Iowa State
ZUMAYA
do you think the Rangers will take a chance on him?
Where's Brandon Webb?
Shouldn’t he give a free year after last year’s disappointment?
by Scruffy Nurfherder on Dec 22, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
.
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #RedSox trying to get G. Gonzalez, Bailey in “monster” deal. #Rangers, #Rays also on Bailey. #Nationals team to beat on Gio. #MLB
So, if we're in on Bailey, that means the FO wants Feliz AND Ogando in the rotation, and Harrison will be dealt, right?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I think it means the FO wants to be damned sure
someone out there can get that elusive final out.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
We're going to give up real value to acquire a "proven closer" in Bailey after signing Nathan to a 2/14 because we need insurance for the 9th inning?
I just don’t know about that. I think the Bailey acquisition must be a precursor to a bigger (probably multi-player) deal. Now I’m starting to wonder whether Konerko or Gaby are potential trade targets.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Should have been Gaby/LoMo
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
god I hope they don't trade Xander Boegarts to the AL West
but that fits with the A’s wanting the 3B of their future
unless Boegarts can stay at SS
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btho Iowa State
Bogaerts*
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btho Iowa State
Nope. Still fake. Maybe faker.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
.260/.326/.506 in Greenville at age 18
almost as impressive as the son of judeska and chesmond
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btho Iowa State
and Xander is an easy 70 name
Bogaerts kinda detracts though
still plus overall
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btho Iowa State
Heheh
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
And he's projected to play 3B?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
i know mike newman thinks he can stick at SS
mixed though
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btho Iowa State
That'
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
hell
that’s pretty damned good, but crazy thing is, that’s not nearly as impressive as Profar, especially considering his defense
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
yep
that’s why Profar is a top 5 prospect and Bogaerts is a top 50 prospect
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
while he looks enviously at Bogaerts 30+ HR potential
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btho Iowa State
Nah.
His Pedroia like leadership means he don’t even care.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And he knows that he has a better chance of sticking as a Middle Infielder
So he doesn’t need to be as pull happy to generate power
Like we're supposed to believe "Xander Boegarts" is a real person.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Jurickson Profar
would like a word with you
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Gio Traded
@keithlaw
keithlaw
Gio to Nats for Cole, Norris, Peacock, and Milone. Love this for Oakland.
Josh Hamilton doesn't daydream. He's too busy giving the Yankees nightmares.--- Josh Hamilton Facts.
what a great haul for Oakland
fuckers
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btho Iowa State
Yeah... really glad we won the Darvish bid.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Exactly my thought.
Would be a bitch of a package to bid against.
by LiamP on Dec 22, 2011 3:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's a lot.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Like what the A's are doing
going all in for 2014 when we start having to reload and Pujols contract looks like a nasty 100 pound cancerous tumor
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
2014 is when we win 120 games.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Exactly
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
by September
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Wow. That's a good haul for Oak.
I like my Fielder to the Nats prediction even more now.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Washington's 3, 4, 6, and 9th best prospects
and they still have Rendon and Harper
underrated system IMO
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btho Iowa State
What's your Rangers comps on these guys?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
don't have one for Norris or for Milone, really. Wieland would have matched up
Millone = Wieland
Cole = Perez
Peacock = Neil Ramirez
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btho Iowa State
point:
it hurt Washington and it would have hurt us
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btho Iowa State
but Gio is good and the NL is easier so
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btho Iowa State
Norris seems like a pretty nice little C prospect too.
Damn. That’s a haul.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
His ceiling is Napoli
tons of power, tons of discipline, tons of strikeouts
and the reports on the defense are improving annually
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btho Iowa State
Yeah, the Napoli/Tettleton comps made me jelly
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
They've already moved Harper off C
What are they planning to do there?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Wilson Ramis is good
3.1 WAR in 113 games. 109 wRC+
24 years old
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btho Iowa State
Good call, totally forgot about him.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Oakland's top prospects now (IMO)
1. Jarrod Parker
2. AJ Cole
3. Michael Choice
4. Sonny Gray
5. Brad Peacock
6. Grant Green
7. Renato Nunez
8. Chris Carter
9. Michael Taylor
10. Ian Krol
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btho Iowa State
Getting deeper.
Though they’ll lose 100+ next year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Those last 3 are pretty interchangeable. I'd have Norris in that group as it stands
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btho Iowa State
also i sorta called this
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/12/19/2647546/yu-darvish-the-decision#86168456
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btho Iowa State
is so!
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btho Iowa State
;_________________________________;
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btho Iowa State
Seriously great haul for Oakland.
Shit, Nats.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Nats.
If they go out and sign Prince, they become pretty legit.
by LiamP on Dec 22, 2011 4:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Definitely an interesting squad.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Yep
Braves haven’t improved, the Mets suck, and I don’t think what the Marlins did will be enough
meanwhile, Philly grows older
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btho Iowa State
What a no-brainer for the A's...
That group is going to be worth way, way, WAY more over the next few years than just Gio Gonzalez. Dang, Washington.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 22, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
Bailey to the Red Sox makes a lot of sense for both sides...
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btho Iowa State
What happens to Madson?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
see, that makes sense for Boston too
dunno
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btho Iowa State
My Red Sox buddy
said Madson was too expensive.
(by buddy I mean source)
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Dec 22, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
We can go without a lefty for while
I’d be more concerned with quality and depth than lefty or righty. Come trade deadline, assuming we’re in the playoff hunt, we could get one internally or by trade. There’s always some good lefty on a sucky team that’ll make a deal. I’d say Lowe’s probably going to be traded, as having two other Japanese players likely makes Yu feel more comfortable this first season.
Until we see how he does in ST, I don’t see how anyone can assume Feliz is a lock for the rotation. There’s a decent chance his secondary piutches aren’t sharp yet and Ogando or Feldman starts the season in the rotation, on the idea that Feliz will be ready after some time in AAA.
I hope Feliz is ready of course, but if he’s not, Ogando or Feldman are the likely choices.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
Of all the guys who aren't a lock b/c they haven't done it before ...
I’d say Feliz is a lock. The team went out and signed a closer, so they could move him to the rotation. They didn’t even have to do that, as Adams is obviously capable of closing. But they did it anyway, to make sure there was no turning back.
Even if he struggles, and he’d have to struggle an awful lot for several months, I bet they’d be more inclined to send him down to Round Rock to work things out (depending on what was ailing him) than move him back to the bullpen.
I think the only way he goes back there for us, is if he struggles, gets hurt and then comes back to the pen. They are 100% committed to getting starter value out of his talent, as they should be.
Boy George is gay.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
This is one damn good problem to have
We have too much of almost everything. The Texas Rangers. Have too much of almost everything. Wow that feels weird.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it" - Thomas Paine
Yoshi would be the one to go for me.
Not a big fan of Lowe but after his demotion and before his injury he was pitching very good. Always nice to be able to bring in a guy who throws 100.
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