Friday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 23, 2011 9:51 AM CST
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PrintRichard Durrett talked to Mike Napoli about a variety of topics, including the World Series and Napoli's desire to spend the rest of his career in Texas.
Gio Gonzalez, who the Rangers were supposedly hot and heavy for (at least, before they won the bidding for Yu Darvish), was dealt to the Washington Nationals yesterday for four prospects -- A.J. Cole, Derek Norris, Brad Peacock, and Tommy Milone. A very rough equivalent package from the Rangers would have probably been Martin Perez, Christian Villanueva, Neil Ramirez, and Robbie Ross. Given the price, I'm glad Gonzalez is not a Ranger.
And with Gonzalez and Trevor Cahill both being dealt, while Brett Anderson is recuperating from Tommy John surgery, Oakland appears to be in full-on rebuilding mode, and likely irrelevant to the 2012 A.L. West race.
Manny Corpas signed with the Chicago Cubs, rather than with the Rangers, who signed him to a minor league deal in 2011, and Gerry Fraley seems put out with that decision, saying that Corpus "jilted" the Rangers after rehabbing from Tommy John surgery "at the expense of the Texas Rangers."
The thing is, if I'm Corpas, I'm probably reluctant to sign with Texas because, as I noted yesterday, there's not really much room available in their bullpen anyway.
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Norm was on this morning saying that the Rangers ‘still need 8th inning help’ and that they may need to trade NeRa and Olt for Bailey.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Didn't we trade for one of the best set up men in baseball last July?
Or did Mike Adams die and no one told me?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Dec 23, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
He seems to think that Adams came to Texas and was less-than-reliable
so that warrants bumping him to the 7th inning. His producer didn’t agree and asked the same questions you did.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Good grief....if he feels that way about Adams, how does he feel about Koji?
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Wasn't even mentioned. Nor Ogando back in the pen.
I like you Norm, but…
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Norm doesn't know anything about the Rangers or baseball
This shouldn’t be any surprise that he has no grip on the bullpen situation.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
that is a terrible trade idea
NeRa could likely be a valuable piece out of a bullpen right now, and of course you already know all the arguments about the current players we have in the bullpen that could fill that role.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Olt
Just popped up in minorleagueball’s community prospect rankings. Warms the heart.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 23, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
wherebouts?
can’t locate.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
dig:
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/12/22/2655924/overall-community-prospect-49
I went to little D yesterday, Austintastic. Serious, it’s always a nice break.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 23, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
where do you go when you're in town?
And thanks.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Dec 23, 2011 4:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I record at this dude's house on Anne.
Once I had a bagel at the coffee place.
That’s been it, over five or six trips…
My dream is to have a coffee with shroomer in Denton.
You don’t live there now, right?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 23, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Why, yes I do.
Let me know next time you’re in town and we’ll do it.
Shroom’s down, I’m pretty sure…every time some of us get together he wants to do it…just seems to need a significant heads up.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Rangers would be farther, farther ahead using those prospects to address CF.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
The person talking to Norm (Mike Sirois) asked him about Adams and Norm
quickly said he’d bring in Adams in the 7th inning. Sirois wanted to say “What the fuck?” but had to defer to the Radio HOFer although he had his head up his ass.
If I have Nathan, Bailey, Adams I’m rolling with Bailey as the closer, Adams in the 8th and Nathan as the 7th inning guy (I don’t give a fuck if JD gave Nathan a 2/14 deal0.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Why is so much of the DFW media so bad at baseball?
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Are other media markets better/
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yes.
Baltimore is better, for one. Boston was, at one point, but I admit it’s been years since I followed it. Chicago seems to be better, so far, though I haven’t been around for a full season of coverage yet.
I actually know the answer to my own question, and it’s spelled F-U-B-A-H-L.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Come to think of it, maybe a "W" in place of that "H".
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
There are few W's in DFW football
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I wonder if the difference is having deep roots in baseball.
Chicago has had baseball — and baseball passion since the beginning of time. Baltimore had a long period of success and was once one of the premier markets. Boston has both of those things.
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Could be. Hard to tell, for me, since outside of Fort Worth,
those are the three American cities in which I’ve lived…
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
/centralfloridaresident
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I've only ever lived here...
It’s why I ask.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
FTR, I was mocking CF baseball talk.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
In all seriousness, though. . .
. . . Seattle seemed better than what I can gather from DFW on LSB links.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
That picture of Napoli....
I forget about that ankle injury…..still can’t believe he stayed in the game….
I love the “rest of my career” talk from Napoli….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 9:57 AM CST reply actions
Ladies love Naps like a banker loves gold
Lock his bad ass up for a few more years before the season please. Same for Ian.
by Scruffy Nurfherder on Dec 23, 2011 11:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Cause ladies love "naps" like Babies like stray dogs
Had to look it up
by Scruffy Nurfherder on Dec 23, 2011 12:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't get how manny corpas would ever pitch for the Rangers
even if we did have him. the comment even contradicts itself.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Good story about Dutch....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 10:00 AM CST reply actions
He was on Intentional Talk yesterday w/his family
His mom is pretty damn cute (thought she was an older sister before they said it was his mom).
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Dec 23, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
heh
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Dec 23, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
He is maturing right in front of our eyes
His heart is in the right place. Seems like last year we were worried about his maturity, but this article makes it seem he has learned from his mistakes.
by Scruffy Nurfherder on Dec 23, 2011 12:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
just curious
do we know how much Toronto bid?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
No, and I don't think we will.
It’s been speculated that it would have been anywhere between what the Rangers bid and what the Matsuzaka bid was.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I'd think the Toronto bid had to be close
If it wasn’t that close, I’d still think it would be in the 40s if they really believed they had a shot at winning. I understand, though, that Toronto doesn’t want to reveal their bid at this time so they don’t lose leverage on other FA fronts.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I think they don't want to reveal their bid
because they don’t want to tell everyone that they lost out by 600k
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I understand that
but from a marketing standpoint, they could easily reveal that, and say they went for it, but were unlucky. The problem with that, is that it provides people and FAs with the knowledge they have a lot of money to spend.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
You can say they went for it, but its pretty crappy to know that they wanted Yu very badly
but fell short because they weren’t willing to risk the equivalent of a bench player’s salary.
As it is, I’m sure more FAs and their agents assume that the Blue Jays bid at least in the 40 millions. Clearly, they have enough money to spend on any one player’s salary now.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
as a fan
it would suck to know that your team’s bid was just short of winning, but at the same time if you understood the process, it’s not like they knew what everyone else was bidding. I think there becomes a certain amount of expectation for your team to make a big splash as they were going to try to commit 120M to one pitcher. How come they aren’t spending that here or there, one might ask? Why didn’t they sign Fielder or go after other FAs.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
lots of guys that were saying that TOR won with a bid north of 50
are now scaling back… It seems like they are in the protect their sources mode
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Other than a lefty
What possible humongous hole could we have in the pen that requires trading Olt? It’d be great to have 5 Mariano RIveras, but this is the real world. Compared the rest of the league, we’re in great shape, bullpen included.
If there are holes to fill, getting a good Utility infielder and somebody better/cheaper than Murphy as our back up OF seem like the highest priorities.
Any news on Martin? Getting him up and running would seem to solve our OF problems to a large degree.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
How many 4th outfielders could we get that are better than Murph?
Maybe I just really like Murph. What other potential 4th OF would you take over him that is cheaper and just as productive?
Sports Sad
by ryjadubya on Dec 23, 2011 12:48 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Assuming we haven't tendered Murphy
That’s probably $3 to $4 mil off the books, Offer the Cubs an A ball level prospect for Marlon Byrd and toss in $2 mil, with them eating $4.5 on the last year of his contract.
THe CUbs need to cut payroll and are in rebuilding mode, they’ve got zero reason to have Byrd. His #s, which are declinging, are about the same as Murphs, but his defense is the difference maker to me. Murph’s range is limited.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
The Cubs aren't going to eat $4.5 million of Byrd's contract in exchange for a random A ball prospect
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 23, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe if Daniels asks real nice and polite-like?
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Dudes from BCB are floating Harrison for Byrd.
I chuckled.
Random thought of the day:
Is it possible to trade some of our prospects for cash? Lets say we deem prince is a better fit for our team than any trade target out there, but we don’t have the payroll flexibility to go to a 140-160 million payroll immediately. Then sign prince to a 7 year 160 mil deal, and trade some combination of top prospects for cash to help pay for prince… Instead of trading those same prospects for a lesser 1B option a la Billy Butler.
Random package suggestion: Murphy (or Moreland), Olt, Ramirez, and two prospects not in our top 15-20…for $8 million cash a year over the next 7 years (or $50 mil straight up if they’d prefer). You suddenly have Prince on essentially a 7 year $105 million deal which is a lot more palatable. And we keep Perez and Profar as the gems in our minor league system.
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Dec 23, 2011 10:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions
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Random package suggestion: Murphy (or Moreland), Olt, Ramirez, and two prospects not in our top 15-20…for $8 million cash a year over the next 7 years (or $50 mil straight up if they’d prefer).
No one is going to give you $50 million for that.
Aside from the fact MLB wouldn’t approve it.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 23, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
You don't think??
Hah as I just wrote my counter argument based on Gio being only worth around $20 mil in surplus value and look at what he brought back I realized I was flipping the thoughts in my head and you’re right.
So did we way overpay for Mazara and Guzman?? Didnt we drop around $15 million for them?
Also to get around MLB you could do an nba-style sign and trade maybe? Have a team sign Prince, and then trade him to us while they eat a portion of his contract (it’d have to be a all at once transaction I think)… But I think in essence trading prospects to land Prince could be more efficient than trading prospects to land a lesser player. Plus if Murphy is in the deal that’s $3 mil off the books right? Maybe add Feldman to the deal as well?
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Dec 23, 2011 10:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Did you work for Enron in the 90s?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
it's really the ghost of Ken Lay
JD is a ninja assassin, plain and simple.
by Megatr0n on Dec 23, 2011 2:37 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Rangers spent about $9 million on Mazara and Guzman
Many people believe they overspent. Given that Mazara and Guzman were free agents, if someone was willing to spend more than that to get them, they would have.
And you aren’t going to do a sign-and-trade in MLB.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 23, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Gotcha I guess I'm getting my numbers all messed up.
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Dec 23, 2011 10:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Seems like a solid trade
You should send it in to TR’s mailbag and see what he thinks.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
by Gdawg on Dec 23, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Hurts my heart gdawg...
Probably deserved it though. I like my ridiculous ideas though.
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Dec 23, 2011 10:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
This is the worst idea I've heard in the last week.
But Josey was gone for most of that, so that statement doesn’t mean as much as it normally would.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Things muttered by Mitch Williams on Hot Stove yesterday (talking about UZR and Sabermetrics)
“If I can’t spell it and it involves baseball, I don’t put any stock into it.”
Discussing top 5 UZR rated centerfielders from the last 2 seasons..
Mitch: “This is nonsense. Shane Victorino is not on that list. He’s won X amount of Gold Gloves in the last few seasons!”
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
Saw that.
Multiple facepalms were had.
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Dec 23, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
/my friend Ben when he feels like trolling me about Mike Young
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I laughed pretty heavily over thier UZR discussion
and the ole’ eyeball test…
It is not worth the rant, but some one needs to do a FJM piece on that transcript..
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Larry Bowa's ol' eyeball test got him a sub-.500 winning % as a manager.
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
That's because Larry Bowa's a fuckin' idiot.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
"FJM" has become iconic. Those guys need to get off their asses writing sitcoms and do God's work again
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Dec 24, 2011 12:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
103.7 + York Peppermint Patties = Mitch Williams
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Dec 23, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm somehow not shocked Mitch Williams can't spell something that is literally spelled out when people talk about it.
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Mitch is actually pretty good when it comes to discussing pitching mechanics.
He’s the person on MLB that said all along that Brandon Webb was a failed signing.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
He needs a beta reader before posting articles.
has to I’m pretty sure.
I live to play the devil's advocate.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Dec 23, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Did his head bobble around while he said it?
That guy is a turd.
by Pocket Ninja on Dec 23, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
I can't watch MLB Network analyze baseball most of the time.
Defending Big D Check it out
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
Clubhouse Confidential = awesome
If you haven’t seen the show, I highly recommend it.
I sports hate you CJ.
Yeah, what's the scoop with that show?
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
Solid show where the title means nothing to what it is actually about.
Uses nothing but stats. War, UZR and many other stats are described in detail and used in analysis(e.g. Pujols signing looks sketchy to them due to metrics). Highly recommended for all you “Math Dorks” and “fellators of research,” as J Dubya so deftly bloviates.
I sports hate you CJ.
Feeling better about baseball lately.
Didn’t expect it this soon.
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yeah
I love the Rangers, and will always be interested in what is going on. Saying that, I’ll never get over what happened.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Over Macho Grande?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Dec 23, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No. I don't think I'll ever get over Macho Grande.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol awesome
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I was thinking to myself last night that I need some closure....should probably watch the end of Game 6....CAN'TBRINGMYSELFTODOIT
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Spring Training should do the trick.
Don’t watch Game 6 man.
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
I won't even wear any gear right now for fear that someone will want to talk about it...
I cut people off when they start talking about it….
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
the last sentence is when people in my family start talking to me about it...I just cut them the fuck off
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Talking about it
will probably give you the closure your seeking.
I just got that from my magic 8 ball.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
I still won't wear my hats/shirts/new jerseys
Can’t do it yet. Had a conversation last weekend with someone that ended in me yelling at him, calling him an idiot, and turning my back on him…that was about 11 minutes after I was introduced to him.
"wanna make love in the snow? ill call you a snowl angel and then put a carrot in your mouth and a butt on your nose"
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 3, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
by Suicide Prince on Dec 23, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
OT: On the Jersey front.
Had a ridiculously cute girl in line yesterday wearing a Kinsler jersey.
Told her Young was in the park the day before, and she said “really? That’s cool, but, eh, Ian or Naps would get me going.”
I should have gotten her number and made y’all fight for it.
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She's a keeper.
and i’m sorry to say that Napoli has already been all over her.
I live to play the devil's advocate.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Dec 23, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
She's the girl on the left on the t-shirt.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
Sounds like the type of girl
that would get WAAAAAY too much attention on LSB.
"wanna make love in the snow? ill call you a snowl angel and then put a carrot in your mouth and a butt on your nose"
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 3, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
by Suicide Prince on Dec 23, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Angels Angel came a trollin here last week sometime.
He said something rather painful and very trolly about Game 6. Literally, at that moment, all the pain left me. How dare a douche from HH come over here and troll us about the WS when the Rangers so kicked their ass. It turned pain into focused anger at them douches.
BRING. IT. ON.
I sports hate you CJ.
I do the same thing....still can't talk about it...
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
I'll usually say something like
“Yeah, I’m a Ranger’s fan. The World Series was brutal. It sucked.” That usually stops people there, and we’re past it.
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
Yup.
Still haven’t dawned a Rangers hat or t shirt.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Yeah, I can't.
But I still strike up conversation with every Rangers fan I see at work.
They’re starting to get to the point where they’re so common it’s not cool and unique anymore, though.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
Fuck it
I sport my Rangers hat every goddamn day, World Series pain be damned.
I’m proud of my fuckin’ team, damn it.
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 23, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
word up
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
Me too
Saw someone and was wearing a Cowboys hat and she mentioned she had never seen me in a non-Rangers hat.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Dec 24, 2011 1:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Correction - not a Dallas Cowboys hat
University of Wyoming.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Dec 24, 2011 1:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
*donned
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
My wife and I watched MLB Net's Top 20 Games - #13 1997 World Series Game 7 - Indians v. Marlins last night...
and for her, it brought up the bad feelings surrounding 2011… but I managed to do o.k. with it.
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
I guess, if there is a bright-side...
I don’t think I’ll ever feel that type of sports-hurt again. Nothing in sports will ever hurt that bad.
So I’ve got that going for me…
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
...which is nice.
"wanna make love in the snow? ill call you a snowl angel and then put a carrot in your mouth and a butt on your nose"
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 3, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
by Suicide Prince on Dec 23, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
The what-if dreams have finally stopped.
So there’s that.
I openly wept at sherlocks's last night
Because someone got me to talk about it
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
by jonas m. on Dec 23, 2011 10:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Don't do it!!!
Move forward….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Don't do it!
I watched Hambone’s dong recently and it nearly killed me.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 23, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
after that I went outside and did a mega coyote call....and then...that happened.
meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I'll never look at a Gulf Oil sign the same way again.
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Dec 23, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Yu Darvish helps a lot.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Unless he has a bad first month or gets hurt
Then we’re all back on suicide watch again.
LEAVE ME ALONE!!!
"wanna make love in the snow? ill call you a snowl angel and then put a carrot in your mouth and a butt on your nose"
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 3, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
by Suicide Prince on Dec 23, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I felt like it was a notice that "hey, this FO is smart AND still has money."
That helps.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
Also, I don't think many people here look at it this way, but. . .
. . . so does the Pujols contract.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
That contract
makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
I don't even think about the World Series...
Not at all.
I’m just focused on the upcoming season, and that’s really it. I feel good about baseball, too.
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
It's receded into the dull, gnawing pain familiar from the 2006 NBA Finals.
But overall, I’m optimistic and happy about the Rangers these days.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
If the Mavericks hadn't won it all last year, I don't think I ever would have watched the NBA again
Outside of keeping one eye on the tv when Dallas was in the playoffs
by blakethegr8 on Dec 23, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
I've actually been thinking about how many days it is until Spring Training...
and boy did I not expect that. I also had a dream last night that I forgot to do a Series Preview and that seems to only happen when I care about baseball.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 23, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
DAT YU DARVISH.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
that is going to be one pretty horrible team next season.
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
They were likely going to be pretty horrible anyway
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
This year only 20% of the ESPN pundits will pick them to win the West.
It’ll be an all time low.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Heh
"wanna make love in the snow? ill call you a snowl angel and then put a carrot in your mouth and a butt on your nose"
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 3, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
by Suicide Prince on Dec 23, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting idea
Norris probably needs another year before becoming the full time catcher.
If we dont have the money to sign Prince how about trading Yorvit and prospects to Oakland for Suzuki? Hes under contract at a very reasonable rate through 2013 with a very reasonable 2014 option.
Oakland gets a stop gap catcher and likely Olt would be included in the package giving them their “3B of the future”. Wonder how much more it would cost prospect wise?
We're going to include Olt in a deal for our mediocre back-up catcher?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Why would we trade Olt and Torrealba for Suzuki?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 23, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. That's the question.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I'm not so sure we should want Suzuki over Torrealba
definitely not if we have to include a top prospect for him.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Gio G Trade -> AJ Cole
Keith Law was praising AJ Cole as the new top prospect in Oakland’s system. Does that seem right? I like his size and K’s, but, is he Oakland best prospect now?
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
I think I'd go Jared Parker ahead.
But Cole is pretty legit.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I agree. I think Cole
is solid. His Youtube stuff looks good. If Oakland ever gets a new park, that may take their pitching development advantage away.
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
...unless they build a new park with similar dimensions.
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
Foul Territory
There is no way they will copy that foul territory area. It hurts the view of high-priced tickets. They could move the fences obviously.
These trades will be interesting. With Parker, Cole, Peacock, Norris, etc. The A’s have a lot of prospective talent on the board.
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
Well, Oakland got more for Gio than KC got for Greienke.
I think this is a great deal for Oakland. I certainly would been sad had the Rangers topped it.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I kindof wonder what Harry would get on the market
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Escobar and Cain were major-league ready!
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
What's the consensus around here on 5/65 extension for John Danks?
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
It did happen.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Dec 23, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good contract for both sides.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I wouldn't mind 13 million dollars a year.
I live to play the devil's advocate.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Dec 23, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Anyone else find it strange that there hasn't been more movement on Prince Fielder?
I would have thought there would have been a few offers at this point…not just Seattle saying what they might be able to pay him…
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 10:41 AM CST reply actions
The ninja is incognito.
I’m kinda glad we have heard anything.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
I think the Nats going for Fielder would make a lot of sense
They certainly have the money to do it I think. And after acquiring Gio, adding Fielder to their roster would make them a legitimate contender.
by RangersfaninROK on Dec 23, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
There hasn't been any movement because his contract demands are ridiculous and all the teams
are waiting on him to realize that and lower his asking price. He’s not Albert Pujols and the sooner he stops demanding to be paid like him the sooner he might get a contract.
its not the money
its the length. 10 years for prince is stupid. When he realizes it, then he’ll sign.
I’m hoping it takes longer for him. because I know that JD is focused on Darvish right now, once Yu is signed, then he’ll make a run at fielder.
It might be why Fielder hasn’t signed. Scott is probably telling him, JD will set you up, so just hang tight a bit. (that and all the 5 year deals for $100 million are too little.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
Its both, he wants 10 years, and he wants to be the highest AAV paid 1B ever
Both of those things are ridiculous.
I wonder
if Boras is sitting there listening to him go on and on about what he wants and is saying to himself. “Kid, you aren’t going to get that much.”
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
Yeah that would be my guess
Boras is delusional and Prince is just listening to him
Glad to hear Naps talk about bouncing back
Game 6 took a piece of my soul with it, but I can’t wait for these guys to get to Arixona and get this going again. Sounds like they’re ready, too.
Son, if you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers. - Homer Simpson
by SarasotaRanger on Dec 23, 2011 10:42 AM CST via mobile reply actions
"He has lots of arm"
catchers are fun
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
Regarding Naps
/obligatory TWSS
I live to play the devil's advocate.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Dec 23, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
so are we happy with moreland at 1B this season?
I mean.. on opening day when chuck morgan announces Mitch F’n Moreland as our 1b and 7 hole hitter… i mean are we okay with that?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 23, 2011 11:50 AM CST reply actions
im on the fence since the rest of the linup is so solid...
but imagine a league average 1B…. i want just a league avg 1B on our team.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 23, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
How quickly you
forget how horrendous the first basemen have been over the last 5 years (probably a negative aggregate WAR ). Moreland is an upgrade and I’m not going to complain. If Texas thinks his wrist was the problem then I believe them; he had surgery after all. I think he’s probably a .740-780 OPS kind of guy and I’ll take that in a second in this lineup. After learning about the wrist injury, the only thing that worried me last year was the regression in his BB, SO rates. It is much more likely that Texas will have to shoot their wad on a COF if one of Ham/Cruz leaves. Also, with Young and Napoli here to play that spot as well, 1b is just not a concern for me.
I'd be happier with Prince
as my 5 hole hitter instead.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
this. fuckin this.
JD is a ninja assassin, plain and simple.
by Megatr0n on Dec 23, 2011 2:47 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I believe in Mitch.
I’m def in favor of giving him a real chance to step up and excel.
Prince would be an exciting piece to add, but if I had my way we’d go with Mitch and Mitch would blow everyone away.
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
by Chewtoy123 on Dec 23, 2011 12:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Mitch will never blow anyone away.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
never know dude
he seems to hit the ball a long way when he does make contact.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
I'd put more money on Chris Davis ever putting up a .900 OPS for a season...
than Mitch Moreland, and I don’t think Davis will ever do it either.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Baltimore's problem not ours
The name of Chris Davis will never be said by me again here.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
Why would he hit 7th?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
TBD CF and Elvis in the 8 & 9?
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
by Chewtoy123 on Dec 23, 2011 12:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You think Ron is moving Elvis out of the 2 hole?
What universe do you live in? There’s bunting to be done.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yep, this.
Elvis do what he do.
Son, if you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers. - Homer Simpson
by SarasotaRanger on Dec 23, 2011 12:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If you keep saying it, the universe will make it so.
Try directing your energy in a positive direction… Elvis all the way down to 9.
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
Elvis in the 9 spot
Craig James killed five hookers
Elvis in the 9 spot
Craig James killed five hookers.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
by AceJC on Dec 23, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Depends on what the alternatives are.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
Those fuckin mismanaged Rangers.
Too funny. Another reclamation project, and waste of money. I applaud Corpas for taking advantage of a mismanaged Rangers organization with their priorities misplaced. The other message here is the Rangers need to stop looking for talent in the garbage.
Get sum pitchin’ but stop lookin’ for bargains! rabble rabble rabble
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--iorange555 8/23/2011
Pudge told B&S he'd like to retire with Texas and
and would be willing to take a backup role. WHY is this not a done deal yet?
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
by Chewtoy123 on Dec 23, 2011 12:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Didn't we already do this
a couple years ago?
one day contract
didn’t we just get a guy to be a backup catcher. plus we still have Napoli AND Torrealba. I think 4 catchers might be a bit too much depth.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
Because as much as 14 year old me would love to have Pudge back in a Rangers uniform
he’s a downgrade from Yorvit offensively (and maybe even defensively at this point in his career)
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
How about trade Yorvit and prospects to OAK for Suzuki and sign Pudge to be the backup C
Napoli can play 1B everyday
Napoli catches for this team
because the pitchers just adore him. Which is enough reason for me.
no Suzuki.
Yorvit and prospects for Bailey and prospects.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
suzuki to catch only yoshi koji and yu
am i right?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 23, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
The Bailey talk has me confused. Didn't we cut a pretty big check to a closer recently?
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
which would you rather have
a fourth catcher or another reliever?
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
If the 4th catcher is Pudge...
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
But seriously
Are we about to find out whether you can indeed have too much pitching?
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
so did anyone see the Torrealba story today?
after striking out he attacked the home plate ump in the Venezuelan Winter League.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
I'd rather have Moreland on the field
with Napoli catching than having Suzuki and Torrealba catching
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Suzuki as the primary with Pudge and Napoli as backups
Napoli plays 1B everyday though otherwise
Probably gets his bat in the lineup more to play 1B everyday than if hes our primary catcher
Offensive downgrade from Napoli to Suzuki @ C
Is massive. Esp. considering the only advantage that Suzuki holds over Torrealba is HR. If it’s about getting more production, bringing Suzuki in is a regression.
And then a massive upgrade from Moreland to Napoli at 1B.
Napoli stays in the lineup
Suzuki essentially replaces Moreland
So compare Suzuki to Moreland:
2011
Moreland
60R-16HR-51RBI
.259/.320/.414 (.733 OPS)
Suzuki
54R-14HR-44RBI
.237/.301/.385 (.686 OPS)
Source: baseball-reference.com
Also note: Suzuki is older, and has declined last two years.
People seem to think Mitch is just plain turrible
and that’s just not so.
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
And my trade is based on my belief that Suzuki would hit a lot better here than where he has been playing his career thus far
Hes still only 28 years old so its not like hes a aging player.
Hes healthy and has decent power which would play well here. But most importantly having him here would allow us to have Napoli’s bat in the lineup for probably a extra 20-25 games over what we would have it if hes our primary catcher.
Also I am very skeptical of Mitch’s wrist injury since its been shown that those type injuries can drain a guys power pretty substantially.
I getcha,
But the problem is that Suzuki’s splits don’t hint at a good batter waiting to escape an awful hitter’s park. He’s better across the board in Oakland than he is on the road – HR, AVG, OPS, etc. Even his counting stats are worse when he leaves the Bay Area.
We can re-evaluate Mitch’s condition in ST, but trading him (essentially) for Suzuki is a no-go.
Also
He may not be that healthy:
Plate appearances:
Suzuki
2009 – 614
2010 – 544
2011 – 515
Reference points -
Moreland (w/ injury)
2011 – 512
Napoli (w/ injury)
2011 – 432
steve, your post is irrational.
pudge has no place on the 2012 rangers.. no matter how you twist it.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 23, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
I'm willing to have Pudge retire as a Ranger
if he wants to take a one day contract and retire
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I think having his bat at catcher is more valuable
Moreland is better than Pudge or Suzuki, so we’d be downgrading our lineup for most games where this lineup would be played.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Pudge would be like Treanor was this past year
veteran 3rd catcher
When Suzuki needed a day off Napoli would get the first chance to back him up and Young slides over to play 1B.
Quit focusing on Pudge so much
Pudge or Suzuki
Suzuki is a downgrade in the lineup. No thanks
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Ummm...
and have Napoli refuse to sign an extension because he wants to catch? For Kurt Suzuki?
No fuckin’ way.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Please tell me this won't be your new thing.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Nobody is a defensive downgrade to Torrealba.
Well…except for Face.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
Torrealba is considered to be a good defensive catcher
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 23, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Torrealba is a great guy.
He catches fastballs really well.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
Did everyone see this video of Bobby Scales talking about his former teammate Yu Darvish?
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
hmm... no linkie.
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
Nailed it!
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
/Napoli
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
TWNS
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
I really, really liked what I just heard....
I would like to see more than 10-12 wins but I guess that would be acceptable in his first season…
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
No...for this kind of investment, Darvish needs to be a Cy Young candidate and
one of the very best pitchers in MLB for the duration of his contract.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Only in Joseyland....
I guess you expected CJ to be a CY candidate when he jumped from the bullpen? Or expected Holland to be a CY candidate when he was called up?
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'm surprised he doesn't want him to be Cy Young himself.
JD is a ninja assassin, plain and simple.
by Megatr0n on Dec 23, 2011 4:17 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Rangers were paying CJ only $ 3 million per in 2010.
With an investment of $ 120-140 million, there is no time for adjustments of development. He needs to be one of the very best pitchers in MLB the duration of his contract.
That’s why this is so fucking insane.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
the posting fee is not counted under the normal yearly budget
so if they sign him for the same thing that CJ got (5 years $77 million) then all Yu needs to do is be as good as CJ for that time. and from what it looks like that shouldn’t be impossible. especially since we’re getting Yu at age 25-30 and the Angels are getting CJ at age 30-35.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
I don't agree with this at all.
Just because the posting fee isn’t counted as payroll doesn’t mean that with the large an investment, the Rangers aren’t gambling that Darvish will be better than Wilson over the next five years.
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And, more to the point, this shouldn't just be about Wilson.
Set Wilson aside, for the sake of argument, as a guy the Rangers just didn’t think would be worth a five-year, $75 million investment.
Just look at Darvish. The Rangers are (assuming he signs) going to be expending a certain amount of resources on him. Those are resources that could be going to other players — whether pitchers or positional. The Rangers need Darvish to provide value equal or greater than the value those players could/would have provided or this gamble is not going to pay off.
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Agreed.
The point of evaluating players by dollars spent is judging whether or not those dollars could have been spent better elsewhere.
If the Rangers don’t spend $50 million on Yu Darvish posting, they have that money to spend on something else.
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Not necessarily. JD said the owners went above and beyond for Yu Darvish.
So it’s not like they had the $50MM budget set aside to spend, they just felt that Yu was worth the investment and owners spent money out of pocket.
by Professor Ch@os on Dec 23, 2011 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
If Yu Darvish is the only thing in the baseball world they'd do that for, okay.
But then, that’s weird.
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That's not what I am saying.
All I said was that this $50MM wasn’t just laying around. They felt that Yu Darvish was a player they had to have and paid a sizable amount out of their pockets
by Professor Ch@os on Dec 23, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Then, as philkid3 said,
“if the Rangers don’t spend $50 million on Yu Darvish posting, they have that money to spend on something else.”
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No question over the next 5 years...I fully expect him to be better than CJ
over the next 5 years. I’m questioning JW’s contention that Darvish needs to be a CY candidate right out of the box and I think that is absurd.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
No, no, no, no. You don't ignore the $ 51.7 million posting fee in this investment.
We’ll see what kind of contract he gets, I’m guessing somewhere between 5/70 to 6/90 and that means the total outlay of $ 120-140 over 5-6 years.
He needs to pitch like a $ 20-25 million per pitcher starting in 2012…yes, one of the very best in MLB.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
No way in hell he gets 5/70 to 6/90.
People in the media are throwing around 5/75 because that’s around what CJ got. Darvish will not get CJ money because he has no MLB experience. When negotiating his contract, they will most likely use the Diasuke contract as a baseline. So he’ll probably get 6/60-65.
by Professor Ch@os on Dec 23, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Dice-K got 6/52 and that was 5 years ago. The prices haven't gone down
and Yu is supposed to be superior to Dice K.
I would imagine the Rangers would be shy about committing to 6 years and might go for 5 years with more $$ per year.
I think he’ll get more but even if Darvish gets 5/50, he still needs to pitch like a $ 20 million per year pitcher right out of the gate to justify this investment.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
The rangers FO obviously feels that Yu is going to be the better player over the length of the contract than CJ.
Obviously there is going to be some adjustments that he’s going to have to make coming to the MLB, and the FO is aware of that, but they believe that he can be an ace caliber pitcher. But according to you he need to pitch like an ace from day one, or else it’s a bad investment??
by Professor Ch@os on Dec 23, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
At $ 20-25 million per, he needs to pitch like an ace from day one for the length of the contract.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
So lets say he has a good but not great first year ...
but then he goes on to win the CY young the next year. So, according to you, it’s still a bad investment, because his first year wasn’t great??
by Professor Ch@os on Dec 23, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
He just needs to pitch like the mean ZiPS projections.
4.5 to 4.7 WAR each year will do.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No, he needs to win the Cy Young.
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His first year and every year after that!!
by Professor Ch@os on Dec 23, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
No, he must transcend baseball. He also has to win the Superbowl
Be 3-time NBA MVP; win the Tour de France; and beat Usain Bolt’s record in the 100m. Then, and ONLY then, will this have been a good investment.
JD is a ninja assassin, plain and simple.
by Megatr0n on Dec 23, 2011 7:27 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
No, he just needs to be one of the very best...
one of the top 3-4 pitchers in all of MLB…Cy Young will take care of itself if that happens.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
$120M would be a bargain...
For one of the top 3-4 pitchers in baseball as a 25 year old free agent.
Imagine if Kershaw were a FA right now… all you have to do to get him is spend money. That’s it. What do you think teams would spend? $200M? CC got $161MM as a 28 year old.
For $110 to $120 or whatever the number actually is… that’s not top 3-4 pitchers in baseball for a pitcher of his age… it’s just a very good one. Something around top 10 to 15 over the course of that five year period.
Still a very very high bar… but thinking that a $120M outlay for a 25 year old means he has to be top 3-4 is incorrect.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And I'll be more specific to the point...
Pitchers his age don’t generally ever hit the market if they have a high talent level.
That’s part of what makes his case unique.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
We'll see what his final contract is and then
it should be much easier to speculate what would be acceptable. It might be $ 100 million, it might be $ 140 million.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
I think it's more likely we offer him a 1 year deal at, say, $5MM.
We’re broke.
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Sure.
But just think about what Kershaw or Felix or any other young top pitcher would get if they posted.
The Yankees would pay $80MM just to negotiate with Kershaw and then give him $120 without blinking.
Darvish needs to be good to justify the cost… but he doesn’t have to be Ace good. if he is Ace good, we got surplus value.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If they spend 5 / 120 and they get a middling
pitcher….180 IPs with a 4.50 ERA…that’s not surplus value.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
That's also not a top 10-15 pitcher either.
I said he’s surplus value if he’s an Ace… or a top 3-4 pitcher.
What you’re describing is a top 50 pitcher. Yes… that would not be surplus value.
I’m not sure why you even posted that comment… it has nothing to do with what I posted at all.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
A 25 year old pitcher who you
invest 5/120 into needs to be a top 3-4 pitcher for all 5 years of the contract.
There’s no time for development, transition or adjustments. He needs to be a polished bad ass on Day 1.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Do you think...
That the pitchers that are capable of putting up top 3-4 pitcher performances for 5 years would only cost $120M if they were on the open market at 25 years old?
You are partially right… he does need to be good right away and for the duration of the contract.
You are wrong on how good he has to be. Pitchers that do what you expect of him cost much much more than we will pay for the first five years of Yu.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If he has a Hideo Nomo career and
is good (not very good, but good) his first 3 years and then STBF after that, it’s a failed investment.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
I don't disagree with that.
But that’s very different than saying he needs to be Verlander, Felix, Kershaw or Halladay for 5 years.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Really?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Right now? Yeah, a good bit.
I mean, he’s obviously sunk in, isn’t even rationalizing what he is saying correctly, and hedging everything he’s stating.
At no point is there going to be an outcome from this back and forth that will be productive.
Watching you two is like watching a medieval artillery firing arrows and cannons from 2 miles away, and the castle doing the same. You’re both hitting the ground thousands of yard in front of each other and have no chance of hitting anything.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
And it'd be tolerable if it was a n00b or
some other poster who doesn’t do this that often. But you know the results, and you continue to interact in the same tail chasing arguments. Hiding behind the “I’m too argumentative for my own good” thing isn’t really a good defense.
If you know the result, which 95% of the time is nothing, I don’t your desire to continue doing this.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Here's the thing.
He’s not my audience. He’s giving information that some people may consider some degree of valid based on their own fears of the cost of the investment.
I’m trying to provide a reasoned point as to what the investment really needs to bear in order to be worth it and provide detail so that it’s understandable.
It’s even possible that Josey may come around on the concept as well… but even if he doesn’t, a few posts back and forth with rational baseball points seems pretty reasonable to me.
And if you think that makes me a beating… I don’t really give a shit.
I will avoid baiting or talking shit (because I enjoy it just like Josey does) with him because that grinds people into the ground…
But this is still a Rangers baseball blog that I contribute to and if I want to have a reasoned discussion about it, I’m going to.
Feel free to utilize my script.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
lol
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Can you spell "agenda" tonight?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
agedna
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
For the record, I prefer "Hoops" over "Pussy."
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
"Hoops" is solid.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Your constant bitching about Darvish is going to be fucking annoying.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I won't bitch about Darvish as long as he's worth the investment.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Moved it to $140 million now with your RAMPANT and PURELY SPECULATIVE numbers.
Wow, you are trying to hard. Let the game come to YU, J Dubya.
I sports hate you CJ.
Please do not judge him on wins.
Please.
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I'm not....I want him to be productive and improve throughout the season...
I want him to do what Holland did last season….mature and grow with each outing…a transition has to be expected and there’s no way the FO expects him to come in here and win 20 games with a sub-2.50 ERA….
The wins will be there….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'll take my chances with 225 IPs and a sub 2.50 ERA.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
We're all aware of the affiliation you've chosen....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Come again?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
All you're going to do when Darvish pitches is complain about
the signing…i hope this is not the case but I think you are going to be silently hoping for failure….we get it, you wanted CJ but the reality is that Darvish will sign here…deal with it and get on board. They chose Darvish because they believe he’s going to be a better investment over the next 5 years than CJ would have been.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
If he's one of the top 3-4 pitchers in all of MLB, I won't complain.
There’s no adjustment or transition period for somebody like this.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said earlier...only in Joseyland....
I would venture to say that no one on LSB, the FO or all of MLB expects Darvish to be a CY contender this season….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
I don't expect him to either...that's why I think the signing makes no sense.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
It makes sense...
There was no one in free agency available with at his age with the upside that he has.
You need to give him a chance. Your expectations out of the gate are ridiculous.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yu will cost less money...
Than the Yankees gave CC.
That’s the kind of money you spend on a top 3-4 pitcher… $160+M… more if they are even younger than 28.
$120M is what you spend for a 25 year old with great stuff that you feel confident he can be a top 10-15 pitcher over the next five years. If you really thought he could be 3-4 you’d spend a hell of a lot more.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't understand you, sometimes.
Also, did you get my email?
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No, I did not.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I sent you an email instead.
Ha!
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Exactly....
Signing any FA pitcher is a gamble….the smart money was spent on Darvish…
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
I don’t think you can say the smart money from our perspective. We just have to hope that Rangers scouts in Japan know what they are doing. We’ve got good reason to have confidence they do (Lewis, Colby).
I mean… it’s still a tremendous risk considering the cost. I’m just trying to level set what that cost actually means.
Expectations should be high… but not ridiculous either.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I guess I meant "smart money" meaning
I would rather spend it on Darvish than on CJ and Buerhle…you’re right, the risk is huge and I’m as nervous as can be about it but it also got me on the edge of my seat waiting for ST….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
And if you would rather spend it on Darvish
than both CJ & Buerhle, Darvish needs to be better than those two to justify the investment.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
And to be better than them, he doesn't need to be a CY level pitcher in year 1.
Also, you realize he’s 25, right? You realize that CJ and Buehrle are a LOT older than that, right?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Darvish Signability
Darvish might not be to excited about playing for the Rangers. It might take more $$$$ than expected and the Rangers pass. I think that’s what’s gonna happen. Rangers need to advance the negotiations to make that determination rather than taking it all the way to the end. Gio is gone, the list will be dwindling, the options reduced to improve the club the longer they wait.
disagree.
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 23, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
You're clearly very well informed.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You waited 14 days to formulate your first comment
and this is what you have to offer?
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Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
by Atticus F on Dec 23, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm so disappointed the Rangers didn't get stuck up in a deal for Gonzalez, too.
I mean, if that’s the price the Nationals paid, imagine what Beane was asking from a divisional rival…
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Weren't they asking for Perez, Olt, and Garcia?
by Professor Ch@os on Dec 23, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
I saw a lot of speculation -- nothing confirmed, of course.
Given what Washington paid, I wouldn’t be surprised if the package the A’s wanted from the Rangers was bigger, even, that Perez, Olt, Garcia…
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooo
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
I was thinking the same thing.
Especially after seeing the “If I’m [insert player/agent name], I’m telling the Rangers [x]” construction.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
LOL
Been following LSB for many years lurking. Not a fan of JW, but there seems to be alot of over reacting. I have had many good laughs at the back and forth. All that being said. Yes…..my real last name is Josey. However, my first name is not Wales…..not let loose the fury.
Yea, who in their right mind would want to play
for the reigning AL champs? (Sarcasm for those of you that need some help)
JD is a ninja assassin, plain and simple.
by Megatr0n on Dec 23, 2011 3:00 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's frustrating how people form opinions about Darvish without having seen him pitched ...
here is an article comparing Yu Darvish to Cj.
Sorry if it’s already been posted
by Professor Ch@os on Dec 23, 2011 2:00 PM CST reply actions
Developing a roster of blogs-to-be-read-regularly is good for the soul.
Otherwise you wind up reading opinions like these on “The Outside Corner.”
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Yea it's really annoying. People everywhere just want to compare him to Diasuke when they are nothing alike.
BTW, if you know some good Baseball blogs with intelligent analyses, not just people pulling shit out of their asses, I’d appreciate it if you could the post links
by Professor Ch@os on Dec 23, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
A partial list I use:
Here and BBTiA for the Rangers, of course
For baseball more generally — warning! heavy sabermetric bent:
Inside the Book (Tango and Co.)
Neyer
Posnanski
FanGraphs (not always good, but…)
Baseball Analysts
Baseball Think Factory
HardballTalk at MSNBC, especially Calcaterra’s stuff
The Hardball Times
Lookout Landing
Baseball Musings
Praiseball Bospectus
And the big newspapers (New York Times, for example) have some stuff worth reading, as well.
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by Snark on Dec 23, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Might take way more than $75M
Ranger have a hard time attracting free agent top pitchers. Darvish is one of those.
No, he's not.
And the reply button is your friend.
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Rangers have the leverage. We're the only team he can negotiate with. I say rangers get it done in the $60-65MM range
by Professor Ch@os on Dec 23, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't Darvish have other options up the road
In a couple of years couldn’t he be a free agent?
He'll be a free agent in 2 years, no posting fee, etc.
Putting the $ issue aside, the guy is an elite athlete. Surely he wants a shot at playing with the big boys. He’s got nothing to prove in Japan.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
2 years is a long time.
What makes you think Darvish wouldn’t be excited to pitch for the 2 time AL champs who will have a Japanese pitcher or two on their team.
There were reports he is excited about Texas winning the bidding. Now his agent isn’t going to say he hates Texas if he did, but theres no reason to assume he does just because the Rangers used to be a team with one lifetime playoff win. Thats a different era. The park is still tough but plenty of good pitchers choose to pitch in tough parks or in a tough division like the AL East. They don’t all flock to Petco or something.
Darvish reps saying all the right things
Puts them in a position to let the Rangers decide what to pony up. What are the risks to Darvish if he passes on Rangers offer. Injury of course, but negating that, would his value be lower in 2 years, and would he have more options. I’m skeptical about just how much leverage the Rangers really have to negotiate a deal that will be acceptable to the team. Darvish may have more leverage than estimated.
His value could be lower because he's two years older, first of all.
And he would have two more years of starting pitching on his arm.
And the chance of injury can’t be negated just because.
Basically, Darvish would have to be willing to forgo a guaranteed salary (less what he earns in Japan) now, for the change that the guaranteed salary in two years would (a) be significantly higher (whatever significant means to him); and (b) offered by a team he’d prefer to sign with (possibly on the West Coast, I guess).
If Darvish winds up with $50-75M over five years now, from the Rangers, how much would (a) and (b) have to be worth to him to wait two years?
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CJ got $75M+ on an older arm possibly less talent
He turned down more from the Marlins. If I’m Darvish, waiting 2 years gets me in a more competitive situation, plus not posting fee taking away from contract $$$$. I think the Rangers let him walk at more than $75M.
.
Wilson got $77.5M on the basis of a major-league track record that Darvish still won’t have in two years.
Also, in five to six years, Darvish will be about the same age as Wilson. In other words, if he signs now, he could get a Wilson-like payday after this contract ends.
How much more do you think Darvish can get in two years, as a free agent, and why do you think that’s worth passing up the guarantee of getting $50-75M now?
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How much more in 2 yrs for Darvish?
Not sure, would depend on which clubs are competing for him. Marlins wanted to pay CJ way more than LAAA. Who would have thought CJ could command that much, so it all depends in 2 yrs. With the posting system, it sems like its like the draft before the labor agreement, where if the recruit doesn’t accept the offer, he goes to college and plays for free. Darvish goes back to Japan, plays for millions, is a superstar there along with the endorsement $$$$$. He has better options than the HS draftee i.e. Purke
I agree with the last sentence, but it seems obvious, anyhow.
The Marlins’ reported offer to Wilson was, what, 6 years, $120 million? So about 43 million more than he got (with an extra year). And, of course, his other option was also guaranteed — that was what the comparison for him was all about.
So if you’re Darvish, you’re seriously turning down a 5-year, $65 million offer, knowing that if anything happens over the next two years, you could be costing yourself years, money, and prestige — and with no guarantee that some team’s going to step up with a 6-year, $120 million deal even if you do succeed over the next two years? Plus the knowledge that if you sign now, you could get another, Wilson-like deal if you succeed in the first five years?
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Could Darvish negotiate a contract that made him a FA in 5 years?
Or does the team have control for 6 years, no matter what?
I sports hate you CJ.
It's extremely difficult to pass up close to $60MM guaranteed, in hopes of getting more money 2 years down the line.
Not to mention all the pressure from his Japanese club to successfully negotiate a contract with the rangers. It’ll get done. Just like his posting fee was a little higher than Diasuke’s, he’ll get a contract for a little more money than Diasuke. If I had to guess, I’d say 6yr $60-65MM contract, probably closer to $60MM than $65MM
by Professor Ch@os on Dec 23, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
If I'm Darvish, I hedge that bet with insurance policyon my arm
Puts me in a better leverage position for negotiations. Rangers may need him more than he needs us. Ups the cost.
What sort of insurance policy do you think Darvish can get on his arm?!
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Not sure, Ballclubs have done it with high dollar players to reduce injury risk impact.
Not sure how much it costs and if Darvish could afford it, however, it might be a possibility
So he's going to spend money on that, if it's even available,
which it might not be — rather than just taking the guaranteed contract, in hope of making how much money?
Are you an Angels fan, by any chance?
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No Angel fan here. Rangers fan since '72
If I’m Darvish and I want to come to Texas, all the better for the Rangers. The Club needs to get that figured out sooner than later, just like they did with CJ, when it became apparent to them that he was not going to accept thus no offer was made and they were moving on. If the Club needs to be moving on to something else with Darvish, better to do so sooner than later. I do not see how leverage can improve waiting until the last day of the negotiating period.
Where are you getting your information on Wilson?
You make it sounds as if he wasn’t going to accept any offer from the Rangers, and I’ve seen no evidence that that’s what happened.
And I wouldn’t bet the Rangers think their leverage improves by waiting until the last day of the signing period.
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Everything I heard said
Including what Thad said on the radio
that the reason they didn’t offer CJ a contract was that they weren’t going to go to 5 years, and CJ indicated that he wasn’t going to sign for less than 5 years.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
That doesn't suggest he wasn't going to accept any offer
from the Rangers; it suggests the Rangers didn’t value him as highly as other teams did, and chose not to make an offer that Wilson would accept.
Pretty different.
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You've come up with a narrative and are trying to come up with reasons to match it
Ichiro signed. Matsui signed. Daisuke signed. The only significant guy who didn’t sign is the one with Oakland last year, and Oakland has been accused of not offering a serious contract and merely bidding to block in that case. He wanted to be posted for a reason.
While sure a player would prefer to get all the money himself, I do think they see SOME value in allowing their team to departure and waiting is a big risk.
Texas is not a bad situation anymore, there is no reason to expect him to try o seriously avoid playing here.
thinking about it I cant actually remember for sure
if Matsui/Ichiro were posted or did reach international free agency or not.
None the less, most that are posted do sign.
Yeah the track record shows the Japanese pitchers usually signs.
The Oakland debacle the exception. I do not think the Rangers will low ball, but Darvish may hard ball. I’m not trying to paint the Rangers current situation as a bad one, just that it may not be preferable to Darvish for similar reasons that other top pitchers might not want to pitch here.
I think the Rangers low balled CJ, no doubt. I think they knew that CJ was not going to accept as he had other options. I think Darvish has other options too. While it would be an insult to low ball Darvish, and I do not think the Rangers will do that, his demands may exceed the Club’s expectations. It would be better to find that out before options expire to improve the club through other means.
For nearly 40 reasons a big part of that was the team was not viewed as a playoff contender
yet alone a world series contender.
They are now back to back AL Champs with a good roster, a high payroll and a good farm system. And a good defense for pitchers.
It completely changes the FA equation, you can’t assume pitchers don’t want to come here. They’ve tried to sign 1 guy, who met with them repeatedly and appeared serious before choosing another attractive team (in a hitters park too..). Didn’t make a real attempt on CJ.
if he wanted
to become a FA he would not have agreed to be posted. End of discussion.
Plus it cannot be underestimated what means to him to bringing huge money to the team.
Honor, respect for his team & countrymen; it makes him look proper in a society that values team first. Imagine you played a sport where the big money came from you going to another country like soccer. You would want the team to benefit. You are leaving in your prime. The league weakens, the fans lose out on prime, etc. It isn’t necessarily the first thing on his list, but it is a factor in the decision. Like Goyo said, he wouldn’t allowed himself to be posted if he wasn’t prepared to come.
I sports hate you CJ.
Hes not a free agent, kind of a big deal
Besides, the Rangers had a tough time attracting free agent pitchers when they were a bad team. There is plenty of positivity around the Rangers now, you don’t hear about the Rangers not even contending for these guys. They are more often listed as a preferred destination.
Rangers didn’t seriously try to sign CJ, Cliff Lee is the only guy they tried to sign and failed. So did the Yankees, doubt their ability?
STOP IT.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Is there discussion of the Beltran signing elsewhere?
Surprised not to see some comments about it, but I haven’t checked all the other threads…
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Well it happened yesterday heh.
There was some discussion, though not hundreds of comments or anything.
I would have liked him at that price, but he only fit a very specific plan so if the Rangers have another one no big deal.
GoET summed it up pretty well.
“Fuck the Cardinals!”
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
OK, now I'm pissed
scottrlucas Scott Lucas
Smart folks say Texas’s non-tendered former 1st-round RHP Eric Hurley has signed with Halos. Was out 2.5 years, then shaky in AAA in ’11
Well then
Time to finally hope kok is right about Eric Hurley.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
RangerMad pissed?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
Blog comparing
Goes to highlight CL’s 1st two years vs DH’s 1st two years….Derek has the better strikeout and k/bb ratios fwiw
These comps... oh, these comps.
For the love of Pete O’Brien, people, stop with the comps.
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I don't get it
Why would anyone make that comp? There is almost nothing similar between them other than they weren’t good once but now are really good.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Same physical make-up, actually.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Heh. As I look into it even more, they also have pretty much the same assortment of offerings.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Fastball, curveball, slider, change in common.
Lee throws a cutter. That appears to be the only major difference (that, and the frequency with which each guy throws the aforementioned pitches).
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
And the velocity, which is sort of a big deal.
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(So that's two sort-of-a-big deals. Plus the pitch qualities.)
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I don't think the comparison is all that lazy. I've certainly seen lazier.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
OK.
We disagree, then. I think the difference in their pitches is a big deal, and you don’t, which probably goes a long way toward the disagreement…
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pre-injury Oliver Perez closer?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Because the only other starting lefties with Holland's FBv that I can think of are Kershaw and Price.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I'm sure there are comps we could come up with,
the question is why? We’ve seen enough of Holland to know what he is, what he can do, and what he probably needs to do to get there. Right now, he’s not a “Lee starter kit.” He doesn’t need to be. If he reaches his potential soon, it won’t be because he became Cliff Lee.
(If Holland starts having temper tantrums after losing or pitching poorly, gets into an altercation with Napoli, gets sent down to Round Rock, and then comes back as a bad-ass? Then we’d be talking…)
I mean, I see why the author draws the comparison, but saying “look, Cliff Lee struggled with command as a young left-handed pitcher of about the same build as Derek Holland, and then became an ace — that’s a good comp for what Derek could become!” just doesn’t do anything for me, especially because of how different Lee and Holland are and were as pitchers…
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Same physical make-up; Holland debuted at 23, Lee at 24...
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Different amateur trajectories.
Also, this doesn’t deal with assortment.
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Biggest difference is their mechanics.
Holland’s windup is long and complicated, leading to command and consistency problems.
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
Lee's windup hasn't always been as refined as it is today.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
True...
but lets not pretend Holland’s mechanics are ever going to end up close to picture perfect like Lee’s.
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
Why shouldn't we pretend that?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
You seriously have to ask that question?
No one pretends that Holland has ideal mechanics. He has room to improve his command by tightening up his mechanics, but his mechanics will never be as clean as Cliff Lee’s unless he does a complete overhaul. Even if he did that, there’s the risk that it would completely change him as a pitcher in a bad way (see Blake Beavan). Considering how incredibly unlikely it is that he completely changes his mechanics AND remains the same pitcher he is now, we shouldn’t “pretend” it is going to happen.
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
x
“His mechanics will never be as clean as Cliff Lee’s unless he does a complete overhaul.”
Why not? More specifically, why would a complete overhaul of his delivery—rather than, say, a few tweaks—be necessary to match Lee’s repeatable delivery?
“Even if he did that, there’s the risk that it would completely change him as a pitcher in a bad way (see Blake Beavan).”
How do you value that risk right now? Is it more or less likely to diminish his effectiveness than enhance it?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
The first questions would take way more writing than I'm willing to do right now.
I could fill a fanpost comparing the mechanics of Lee and Holland. Here’s a writeup someone did on an extinct SBNation blog, Driveline Mechanics:
The most compared pitcher as far as mechanics is Lincecum, though there are still very significant differences. Most of Holland’s problems relate to tempo and arm action. Specifically, forearm flyout. Holland’s arm action is very long, causing him to accelerate the ball towards first base before he accelerates towards home plate. This puts more stress on his upper body than needed. Here’s a quote from what I linked that is almost prophetic…
I wouldn’t be surprised if he skips a start or two due to a fatigued shoulder or inflammation in the pitching elbow
Remember when he missed a good portion of 2010 due to shoulder fatigue?
As far as the risk of making a major adjustment to his throwing motion, the risk outweighs the reward because Holland has already shown the ability to be a well above average major league pitcher. If he made a major change, they’d likely have to send him back to the minors to allow him to adjust.
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
Heh. It's true.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Heh.
The next time Holland goes head-hunting out of sheer spite, or throws his glove (or any other piece of equipment or uniform) into the stands out of anger at being taken out of a game, it’ll be the first…
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Speaking of hunting
The next time Holland goes hunting, and does 1000 situps in a deer stand, it’ll be the first…
You obviously didn't watch him play in Norwalk Little League...
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It's a nice, easy, lazy comp.
Other than that, I don’t now.
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*For the love of Lyle Overbay
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I'm curious when he'll sign.
Beltre signed on 1/5 and he was the last big FA.
Still have Fielder and Madson out there and a whole lot of middle of the road guys.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It can't be good for Madson that he is still unsigned, right?
Curious how much money he will have lost from the reported deal with the Phillies.
This is just pure speculation on my part, but I think it will be after Yu Darvish signing period is over ...
Simply because if the Rangers fail to sign Yu Darvish, they’d probably look at Fielder. No team currently is willing to pay Fielder’s asking price, and that shouldn’t change anytime soon. However, if the Rangers, for whatever reason, are unable to agree a contract with Darvish, I can see Boras using the Rangers perceived interest as a leverage to get a better contract from one of Fielder’s other suitors. (Or perhaps the Rangers may even actually try to sign him).
So it would be in Fielder’s best interest to wait for the Darvish saga to play out, unless of course someone offers him the ridiculous contract that he is demanding before then.
by Professor Ch@os on Dec 23, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Fielder won't wait till January 18th to sign.
No way. Just because the Rangers won’t be resolved till then doesn’t mean other teams will wait.
By that point in the winter most teams have their budget pretty well settled.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Like I said pure speculation ...
So do you think he’ll agree to a shorter contract before then? Or some desperate team will pay his asking price?
by Professor Ch@os on Dec 23, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think he'll have to sign a shorter/smaller contract....
I think someone would have stepped forward by now with at least 7-8 years…
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
Scott Boras is agent.
That will generally provide you all the answer you need.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't know...he was ARod's agent when he opted out...ARod admitted that was a mistake
He’s Weaver’s agent…Weaver went against his advise…
If Fielder starts to see that his demands are not going to be met, I think he will seek a shorter deal.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
So... speaking of Yorvit, as we were a few hours ago
He hit/punched/struck an ump in Venezuela.
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
I like players who argue with umps
As long as they play on my team. Otherwise they are whiny babies who need to sit down.
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
Besides, that wasn't a punch. I've seen parents smack their kids harder than that
by dolphinpuncher on Dec 23, 2011 7:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And dolphinpuncher would know from a real punch
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
by Chewtoy123 on Dec 23, 2011 8:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You could hang laundry on my jabs.
by dolphinpuncher on Dec 23, 2011 8:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I for one think that this sort of behavior is unacceptable.
It’s one thing to argue with an umpire, but it’s not okay to strike the guy. The umpire is just doing his job, and he’s human so he’ll get a few calls wrong. Deal with it that’s baseball.
by Professor Ch@os on Dec 23, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
I think teams should be allowed to punch an umpire once per game...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 23, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
paging Jerry Layne and Ron Kulpa......
La naiba cu Monkey Rally !!!!!
- That would Romanian for F*ck the Rally Monkey....
by Captain Fubar on Dec 23, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget Dale Scott....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 23, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
We need to get this into the next CBA
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
by Chewtoy123 on Dec 23, 2011 8:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he didn't get the call wrong. there's video on yahoo.
Yorvit struck out, was mad at himself and then the ump threw him out. And that’s when it all started.
JD is a ninja assassin, plain and simple.
by Megatr0n on Dec 23, 2011 8:26 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I suspect he was annoyed with previous calls
That made him feel like he had to swing at that one.
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
by Chewtoy123 on Dec 23, 2011 8:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
that may be, but it's still speculation and it's not like he hasn't
experienced it here in the MLB
JD is a ninja assassin, plain and simple.
by Megatr0n on Dec 23, 2011 8:50 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm just saying it doesn't matter if the call we saw was wrong
He was probably annoyed cumulatively and that’s why he snapped; not because of that swing and miss.
Ian: If you didn't try to hit for average--or be the hitter that you are--and just tried to hit homers, how many do you think you'd hit this year and what would your average be?
Face: 74 home runs and, um... prolly hit around .370
Ian: ...Wow. Um... let's do that.
by Chewtoy123 on Dec 23, 2011 9:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was expecting an uppercut or something...
not that what he did is excusable….but it coulda been worse.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Forgot how bitchin' Nomo's first season was....
191 ip
124 h (5.8 h/9)
236 k (11.1 k/9)
150 ERA+
Year 2 was impressive as well (not as)…
He threw a dirty ass split/fork, right?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Yes... and didn't throw nearly as hard as Yu or with as much control.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
nice windup
impossible to pick that ball up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjgUha0IwW0
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I remember rumors that Mike Scott sliced the webbing in between his fore and middle fingers to get a better grip on the ball for his split...
I was like 12 years old…were those rumors legit?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
@DKnobler
DKnobler A’s seem to have done well for Gio. But some A’s people hoped Darvish didn’t go to Texas, because they thought Rangers could offer more.
Okay I didn’t believe this was possible, but now I’m even more glad than I was before about getting Darvish and not biting on Gio.
by RangersfaninROK on Dec 23, 2011 11:26 PM CST reply actions
I thought Olt + Perez was an overpay...
But one I was prepared to accept.
Washington gave up more than Olt + Perez.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
My points exactly
That sounds like they were expecting something like Profar + Martin + Perez + Olt
by RangersfaninROK on Dec 23, 2011 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
No... not Profar.
More like Perez + Olt + Ramirez + Ross.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yup.
And, as I wrote earlier, if that’s what the Nats paid, imagine what Beane was demanding from a division rival.
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This is conspiratorial.
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Dec 24, 2011 1:26 AM CST up reply actions
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