C.J. Wilson to Anaheim: 5 years, $77.5 million
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 8, 2011 10:08 AM CST
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UPDATE -- It is 5 years, $77.5 million
Jon Heyman is reporting that C.J. Wilson has agreed to a five year, $75 million deal with the Anaheim Angels.
Okay, remember how I said that I thought the Pujols contract was a lousy contract and would hurt the Angels long-term?
Don't feel the same way about this deal. 5 years, $75 million is a fairly reasonable price for C.J., and I would have been happy if the Rangers' locked him up for that amount.
I've been resigned for a while to the fact that C.J. would be leaving, and been okay with the idea that he was going to the Angels, because I assumed the Angels would be moneywhipping him. They didn't, though...they signed C.J. to a reasonable deal that gives them a pretty stacked rotation.
This is a problem. I still don't think that the Angels are better than the Rangers, but this Wilson contract is a pretty good signing for Anaheim.
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Yeah...
…that sucks.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
If we can't match 5/$75 for CJ...
I’m pretty concerned.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Does it?
Maybe we’re assuming the Rangers can spend more than they can.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think the Rangers are just more prudent
than we would like them to be in a case like this. I think they just see their current rotation as a better value going forward than spending on CJ.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Depends on if we spend that money elsewhere
We apparently were willing to go 12-13 mil for Buehrle so I dont see why 15.5 for CJ was that big a stretch.
if we come out of this and go sign Prince it’ll lessen the sting but if we sit on our hands and go “spend” money on Hamilton and Nelly extensions its going to piss me off. For one thing their salaries are already budgetted into next years payroll so it wouldn’t really be adding anything onto that.
Beuhrle at 3 years
was different than CJ at 5.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Im fucking tires of worrying about 15 million dollars in 2015
Thats what small market clubs do
do you think the Angels are worried about Pujols’ contract in 2017 right now?
No theyll worry about that when the time comes. We currently have ZERO committments beyond 2015 and a very strong farm system along with a supposed big money tv deal to be in effect by then. Stop pinching pennies!!
(they should)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
no offense but
not having a forward looking perspective regarding payroll is not a very smart way to run an organization.
by elvis1isking on Dec 8, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
A-Rod?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
I have a forward looking perspective
But I also see a ownership group that has said they intend to raise payroll and keep a competitive team. I see a tv deal that is supposed to give us the ability to maintain a high payroll level. I see a farm system that is the key to being able to handle a bloated contract or two.
And I also see a FO that apparently is pinching pennies and letting a homegrown TORP walk for a very reasonable deal and also apparently not even remotely interested in a 28 year old elite hitting 1B when the competition for him is at its very lowest.
trust in JD
I do think they have a plan. They have players to extend this offseason. They built a farm system to replace players that leave via FA. I’m not going to panic, yet. :)
I understand this thinking,
but building solely from the farm and extending players is not a way to have consistent success. The FO seems to be very hesitant on spending any money. The Beltre deal was great, and the Napoli trade was smart, but other than that the FO has not done much. That typically does not lead to long term success
by Mantis Be Praised on Dec 8, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
But other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Our farm system isn't built to replace guys in the next couple years though
Our farm system is built to provide us with a plethora of young good pitching but on the offensive side most of our positional prospects are 3+ years away from cracking the majors while our current roster will be FA within 2 in most cases.
We have Profar, Olt, and Martin as guys who could possibly help in the next 2 years.
next year's class
features Hamels, Sanchez, Cain and a few other top arms.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
true
but I don’t see them in dire need of positional players, and if they want something they can also trade and they do have prospects coming up that give them options.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
They're not going to sign Hamels and you can
bank it that PS Koufax is going to tell him how hot it is in Tejas.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
how rainy is it in seattle though
that is the important question.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
37 degrees and mostly cloudy right now.
High in the next 15 days is 47 degrees with no sunny days in sight.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
but did cliff lee tell you?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
And trading depletes that farm system
possibly taking away some of that potential near term positional player help.
I wouldnt want to trade that for Konerko at 1B
xx
And I also see a FO that apparently is pinching pennies
remind me, does the season start at 11a on 12/8?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
As of right now we have only signed Joe Nathan to a 2/14 deal
And let CJ Wilson walk to a division rival for 5/77.5
As of right now it looks like we are pinching pennies yes.
THE SEASON STARTS TOMORROW EVERYONE
GUESS WE BETTER RUSH OUR NEW KERSHAW TO THE MAJORS!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Please stop this
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
i cant think of anyone else who would compare cody fucking buckel to clayton kershaw
at any level.
you have to be the only person in the entire world who would do that.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
do i need to link to your post?
even though it was “for fun”
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
you need to be smarter than to compare their stats in the first place
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
You need to not take everything so damn literally
Someone yesterday posted Martin Perez and David Perez’s numbers in SS A ball. Was that a criminal offense also?
if i saw it
martin perez != kershaw.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Stop arguing, guys.
This is a great day for the Halos….whoops, wrong board.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Actually
It was funny once.
Now just kind of Joseyish
you have clearly not been around josey much.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
I think you are being obtuse
to the inherent risks involved with CJ and certainly Prince.
Going whole-hog for Prince is a bad fucking idea. Get over it. There’s a decent enough chance that he’ll enter a decline phase sooner than normal and could decline at a faster rate than normal that it’s stupid to give him $20+ million for the next 8 to 10 years. The risk to payroll is just too great.
I do think they should have signed CJ at 5/77, but we don’t know that they didn’t offer that to him (or something close). Stop being so over-reactionary and accusing an ownership that has publicly stated they want to grow the payroll and remain competitive of “pinching pennies.”
It’s dumb.
by elvis1isking on Dec 8, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Ive never advocated anything more than 8 years for Prince
You and I obviously disagree on how Prince would help this club thats fine.
But allowing a guy like CJ to go to a division rival without apparently offering a comparable package makes it appear that we are pinching pennies. if we had offered a comparable package I dont think we would be hearing CJ say “not really” when asked if we offered a contract.
link me to our offer
non ben and skin link please.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
close enough
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
x
But allowing a guy like CJ to go to a division rival without apparently offering a comparable package makes it appear that we are pinching pennies
no it doesn’t. It does show that they wish to use their resources in a different manner, but pinching pennies it does not show.
by elvis1isking on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
I can see you're dug in, fine
but no it doesn’t
by elvis1isking on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
You shouldn't fuck tires
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
I'm impressed if he can do that.
unless it’s those really small tires from model cars or legos or something.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
$105 million payroll looking more and more likely.
Obviously, that’d change if they manage to sign Darvish, but…
This was not a good way to wake up.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
No.
I think Nolan’s comments and the others from the FO suggest pretty strongly that they simply didn’t want to offer this.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
that is what i would think
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
The Rangers had a major opportunity last off-season but didn't act on it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
with who? lee?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Do you just cut-and-paste these same memes from some Word doc every day?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
by K.S.B. on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yes.....yes, he does....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Theres no way we offered 4/60 and let him get away for 5/77.5
I cant believe our FO would allow a guy like CJ, a homegrown guy who has shown success here, to walk over 1 extra year on the contract.
Lee last year I could understand. Hell Philly doesn’t like giving out deals longer than 4 on pitchers but they bent their rules for Lee and thats what we should have done here
CJ lives a few miles away from Angels' Stadium.
I think he would have signed there even if we had a better offer on the table.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
I would feel a lot better if he turned down a 5/75 or 5/80 offer from us for their offer
But from all reports we didn’t come close on the offer which pisses me off
Apparently, we didn't even make an offer.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You're incorrigible.....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
link me to the reports of our offer
and i dont mean from ben and skin
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
why?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
yep
I think if we had made a comparable offer and CJ just chose LA he would say something to that effect
choose not to != cant
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
I’m pretty sure we just chose not to. Not sure why and I’m guessing we’ll never know.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
But you don't know that for certain.
And the first word of my sentence is “If”… I’m starting to wonder if it’s not really a full choice for us. Because not competing with a 5/77.5 offer seems like an odd choice to almost everyone.
There is something we don’t know… either about C.J. or about the Rangers finances or both.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I have my tinfoil hat on while I type this,
but I don’t think the Rangers wanted CJ back that bad. Something about him made him expendable in their eyes.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Right... that's part of "What we don't know"
I lean more towards the money… but I think it’s possible someone did not like him. Nolan… JD… Young… someone with pull.
Or we really don’t have that much money compared to what we thought.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I agree with you.
But I don’t think it’s money. I honestly think there were some very important people in the organization that were tired of CJ. Something about him rubbed them the wrong way.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Yep, I think this one was personal.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Ben & Skin just said they asked CJ if they made him an offer.
CJ supposedly said “Not really.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I actually agree with this.
If our best offer was 4/60 then, in light of the existing market, I’m led to believe someone with significant in our organization simply didn’t want CJ back in Arlington. My guess is that this person was Nolan Ryan.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Nolan Ryan was one of CJ's biggest fans and personally greenlighted
the CJ Becomes A Starter Project.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Nolan was pissed
about CJ’s interviews with The Ticket rigth after Game 6 and 7 losses where he was talking about his racing team and his computer programs and all that other stuff. It changed Nolan’s mind about him.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
that doesn't mean
he wanted to commit to him for 5 years.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Please don't let it be this....
Or we really don’t have that much money compared to what we thought.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think it's that.
we may have underestimated how much money LAA was willing to spend. My God, they just spent 325 million on 2 players over the next 10 years.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
I hate when people quote total contract numbers.
This is probably the most annoying part of sports reporting… “THEY’RE PAYING HIM 12394012934 dollars over 932 years!”
Not a rant at you, just everytime we see this. Overall number makes no difference, year to year does.
A burden should never be something out of your control.
Oh i know that.
It’s just a staggering amount of money to tie up and it amazes me that they can do it.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
You won't be after the 2012 season
and CJ regresses to mediocre
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
CJ...
product of Mike Maddox. And a great defense behind him here to roll’em up.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
thats not correct
all his peripherals suggest that CJ is legit
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
i guess...talk me off the ledge
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
So you loved Michael Young's defense at 3B in 2010?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I liked our defense up the middle
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
Might that explain why CJ had better numbers in 2011 than 2010?
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
To some degree there may be a hint of truth.
It’s easier to throw it over the plate when you’ve got more confidence in your defense.
But I think it’s a pretty marginal thing compared to the massive improvement he had from 2010 to 2011.
Beltre was worth something… but not that much of a jump.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And wasn't Face over at 3B for 35-40 games last year as well?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I disagree with the decision.
But (and call me a homer), I’m willing to defer to Nolan and JD’s decision.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
That's silly
Angels got a bargain.
I’m now pissed.
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If it only took $75M I don't understand the Rangers passing
I think there is a very good chance Wilson is worth every penny of that contract even if he’s not quite as good as he has been the last two seasons.
The Angels have a ton of money coming off the books next year, with Hunter and Abreu contracts ending and guys like Aybar and Kendrick reaching their FA years. They’ll still have money to spend for 2013. The AL West just got a little tougher to win.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
5/75
Is a good deal. Now that sucks. I really want Darvish.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Dec 8, 2011 10:14 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I want Darvish, too
but not at any price. I want the Rangers to submit a bid they feel is the right price, not just beat any offer.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I thought it was much more reasonable to sign cj than go 100mil on darvish
especially at this contract
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
yep
I’m quite surprised that other teams weren’t in on CJ at this price, not just the Rangers.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
What does that say?
He really wanted to pitch in California and unless some other team wanted to blow away LAA offer he was signing there.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
based on rumors the marlins beat the offer
i think it was always down to texas and the angels for him
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I think it says
that other teams would rather a) pursue trade options or, b) wait until next offseason when a whole bunch of sexy names will be on the market.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I'm convinced of it.
Other teams would have done that contract in a second.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
If they don't get a guy they know for that money
you think they will go and get a guy like Darvish?
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
That really is a good deal.
I have a hard time being mad about it, and I’m certainly not mad at CJ for agreeing to it, but I am very curious.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
i still want to see our offer
i think he took a nice discount from LAAAA vs Marlins to go there.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
He turned down more money from the Marlins to go to his hometown.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Marlins offer was reportedly $80 over six
More than $1M per year average than what Buerhle got
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
It's Heyman
consider the source.
I bet CJ’s agent is putting that out there because wishes he had taken that offer before Pujols signed. Can the Angels really pay Pujols + Wilson? I doubt it.
"There's no money in triples!" -- C.J. Wilson, 2010
You can doubt it all you want, it just happened.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
they can backload the contracts a bit
and have plenty of money to afford it. In 2013 about $50M comes off their payroll commitments. They have quite a bit more money than the Rangers.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
This is bullshit...
they want to give Pujols a horrible contract, fine go ahead and do it.
But how the hell do you let your best starter go to your division rival in this market for 5/75? Buehrle just got 58 million for crying out loud! What the hell are you thinking Nolan and JD? How do you not offer Wilson 5/75-80? What the fuck!
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
that is basically meaningless
to the players. They pay taxes in every state they play in, and it amounts to pocket change when comparing a 5-year contract offer. Wilson reportedly turned down a 6th year to go to LAA, what makes you think state income tax mattered more?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
yes it is
I didn’t know the dollar amount. Is that speculation or has it been confirmed?
It doesn’t change what I said about the state income tax, though. It’s not a big factor.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
CA state income tax is 10.3%
and half the games will be played there instead of 1/2 the games being played in a no state income tax state… sounds like a little more than 5% difference in pay.
That only matters
if the Rangers make an offer that close.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
but also
Going into a negotiation and saying “we’re only offering slightly less than LAA because of the income tax thing” would be incredibly fucking lame. Any player would feel disrespected by such an approach.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
definitely the exception, though
and not something a team could use as a strategy. It’s one bullet point among many, but hardly something you focus on.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
If the Rangers weren't going to give BGL 80 mil...
they aren’t going to give Darvish 100 mil. It’s not gonna happen.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Nolan and company...
have already said they don’t like the big deals for FA pitchers. I don’t think they’re going to give a big deal to a guy who hasn’t even pitched in MLB. Even if he’s only 25 and the scouts like him.
I just don’t see it happening, I guess we’ll find out though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
You guys can keep your hopes up on Darvish...
and not only the Rangers signing him, but him being a TORP type guy. I’m not buying it.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
O woe!
O Woeful, woeful, woeful day! Most lamentable day, most woeful day That ever ever I did yet behold! O day, O day, O day! O hateful day! Never was seen so black a day as this. O woeful day! O woeful day!
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
OK. Let's take a deep breath for a moment.
Next year is going to be the Angels’ best chance. With their payroll — Weaver’s deal, Pujols’ deal, Wilson’s deal — they’re going all in for basically the next two years. They’re locked in to what they’ve got right now. No FA signings next year, no extensions, no trades where they take on money. This is their team, period, for the next few years, and presumably, with Pujols and Wilson hitting their respective ages, next year is their best shot.
So this year will be very telling. It’s acceptable to be very worried about the Angels in 2012 and probably 2013. But beyond that? They’re hamstrung.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
they are not hamstrung
go look at their payroll commitments at Cot’s Contracts over the next few years. They will be fine.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
This.
Many of their albatrosstic contracts are due to expire in the next year or two.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
and aren't they negotiating a new tv contract soon?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
yes, because bigsteve can see into the future
BUT DONT WORRY GUYS, WE HAVE THE NEXT KERSHAW IN OUR MINORS — AT LEAST IF YOU GO BY THE NUMBERS WE DO!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
I think we resign most of those people...
(Kinsler Naps and Colby are m y highest priority)
by Mantis Be Praised on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
do you really think that young will be an above 100 wRC+ guy in 2014?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
xx
And by 2014 we will have lost Josh, Napoli, Nelly, Colby, Kinsler, and Young to FA
you are the one who brought FOTF into it
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Ok
how does his wRC+ come into play?
The OP said the Angels window is 2 years and I pointed out that ours is likely just as long given who we look to lose in the next 2 years. Young being part of that group
i dont give a fuck if young is gone in 2014
because i dont think he will be an above avg player then.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
They'll trade Santana for some salary relief, most likely.
Or even Haren, though I’d bet Santana.
I wouldn’t assumed they’re done for 2012, or how much money they’ll have going forward. My concern about the Angels is always that Moreno will decide he’s the Red Sox, West.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
They can trade Santana
and still have payroll room to add Ramirez at 3B right now.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
yeah, a Santana/Haren for Ramirez trade would suck
but if Hanley doesn’t want to play 3B for MIA, not sure he would want to for LAAAA
by elvis1isking on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
He means Aramis Ramirez.
Santana or Haren for Hanley Ramirez? C’mon…
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
ah yeah
that makes much more sense. I was very confused my way
/doh
by elvis1isking on Dec 8, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, Aramis is a free agent.
Getting Hanley would take a lot more than Santana.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Snark set me straight
I totally forgot about Aramis. Sorry tball
by elvis1isking on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
though, theoretically
the Angels could certainly offer Santana and a lot more. But I don’t see the Marlins trading Ramirez and getting expensive players in return.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
We just don't know.
It depends on how much Ramirez goes for, and how much the Angels are prepared to spend on payroll this year. If they’re going completely gonzo… yeah.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
I don't think they do that
I think they’ve made their big moves, but yeah, they could, they do have the financial wherewithal to make it happen and still be ok going forward next year.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I can't see them trading Santana for nothing.
If this is where they’re stopping for payroll, and they want another starter and a bullpen piece for Santana, they’re not going to get much more than $5-7 million in salary relief. Can’t see that paying for Ramirez.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
if they want Ramirez
I assume they’d also maybe deal Kendrick. And what do they do with Morales now? They have options, but at this point I’d be shocked if they also signed Ramirez.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I have to imagine they think Morales is done.
And that they think the rest of the league would see that, too, if a trade started moving forward — and so he has little value.
I can’t see them trading Kendrick — even with Pujols, they need him.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
We need to some how sneakily and cheapily acquire Morales...
And pray for the Angels to Rangers rebirth effect to take hold.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
LSB event
Meet at a land-fill today, and start smashing crap.
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 AM CST via mobile reply actions 6 recs
easy rec
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
You're only rec'ing him
because he’s gay for you.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
by K.S.B. on Dec 8, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Heh
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 10:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i want to make an office space printer gif
w/ CJs face on it heh
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
yup
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
huge.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I still don't see how you can say we're still better than them.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 AM CST reply actions
Rangers were SIGNIFICANTLY better last year
Granted, that was carried by a lot of career years. Hard to say what next year looks like.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
Sports Producer, WFAA-TV/WFAA,com. Lover of feedback.
that was then, this is now.
And now, we just saw two of the most saught after FA’s go to our divisional rivals.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 8, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Really Evan? After all the shots you took...
Evan_P_Grant Evan Grant
Rangers were 20-8 in games Wilson started vs. AL West last two years. Hard to replace that kind of mark.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Oh christ...gimme a fucking break.
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
fuckin prick
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
I am starting to loathe Evan Grant.
I am trying to think the last time he has said anything positive about this team.
can’t remember any…
by Mantis Be Praised on Dec 8, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
I'm already at turn three in this race...
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
he voted MY #1 MVP on his ballot
how much more positive can you get than that?
by elvis1isking on Dec 8, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
fuck you evan grant.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I had the same thought
after all the grief he’s given cj NOW he says this?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
So, who are the frontrunners for Yu now?
Us and Boston? Anyone else?
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 8, 2011 10:21 AM CST reply actions
Yankees probably.
Blue Jays maybe.
I don’t know that we’re even among the front runners.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Why Toronto?
I don’t get that. I understand that any team can post, but Toronto?!
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
why not?
they have room.
If you want a real darkhorse, go to Cot’s and look at the incredible, nay, I say unprecedented, flexibility that the Pirates have over the next few years.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
They'd be stupid not to go after a good player because they got burned before
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
Toronto & Texas
Are the front-runners, supposedly.
by John08Patriot on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
TX, NY, BOS, TOR
and the Nationals wouldn’t surprise me.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I guess cj has to leave all his machine guns in texas
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
What kind of taxes will he have to pay on a 6 ft TV in California?
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
and the price of gas on the big trucks and race cars
man, he may have to go on welfare
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Wow.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 AM CST via mobile reply actions
This may be kneejerk of all knee jerk.... go fucking sign morbidly obese Prince Fielder now
give him some twinkies too
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 AM CST reply actions
This
Even if you are making fun of him >_<
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
just added the obese part in so josey didnt point it out t ome.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
So you were preemptively /josey'ing it?
nice.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
exactly what i was doing.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Angels
It’s hard for me to see how they aren’t a better team than the Rangers at this point, at least for the next 2-3 years (which happens to correspond with the Rangers’ window for dominance).
Not mediocre. Right about average
I love JD, but
this is absolute bullshit. How the hell do you let CJ walk for 5/75-80?!?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
They knew he was going to LA.
They didn’t want to come close to what it would take to pry him away from his home town, IMO.
I have faith in JD and the rest of the FO.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
Huh?
That’s fine if they thought that, but make the friggin’ offer anyway. Not making the offer and then saying “We knew he wanted to go home.” is really silly and I doubt that is the reason.
You make the offer and if he turns it down, then yes, you can claim we gave it a shot but he just wanted to go back home. If we offer the deal, he stays put <<<< This, I truly believe.
LOUD NOISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’M SO ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I ALREADY MISS YOUR SCENT C.J.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 10:24 AM CST reply actions
Beguiled, divorced, wronged, spited, slain!
Most detestable LAAA, be thee beguiled.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
I suppose I could.
I wouldn’t get shot by Lt. Frank Drebbin now.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
This is what happens
when you have ownership that acts like they want to play with the big boys of baseball and says that they want to but really does not have the means to do so. All this talk like the “Rangers have money” or the “Rangers can compete with the big 2” was all BS. Same shit is happening to the Mavs this year because Cubes cares more about getting the Dodgers than rebuilding a championship team.
Back to being the “small market” Rangers, I guess. Might as well go win the World Series next year, Not gonna happen but whatever, Go Rangers.
Angels are better, just that plain and simple, they saw an opening and a great player and went for it instead of siting thumbs in asses ie (Rangers/ Fielder)
Josh Hamilton doesn't daydream. He's too busy giving the Yankees nightmares.--- Josh Hamilton Facts.
we have the richest ownership in MLB... they have the means to do it if they want to.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
That is what we are supposed to believe but
from what I seen so far we are not in NYY, BRS, LAAAAAA league right now.
We will be good next year but not good enough to beat LAAAAA.
Josh Hamilton doesn't daydream. He's too busy giving the Yankees nightmares.--- Josh Hamilton Facts.
by Clutch Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
google search bob simpson... his financials are all over the internetz
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Great he has a lot of money
How does that help the Rangers if he does not spend it.
Josh Hamilton doesn't daydream. He's too busy giving the Yankees nightmares.--- Josh Hamilton Facts.
by Clutch Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
how do we know they didnt WANT to spend it here?
come on dude.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I don't care if CJ is on the Angels but
if you want to be a big market team act like it.
A game changer is just sitting (and eating) out there in Prince Fielder but we don’t even engage him. But its OK Moreland is the savior of the Rangers.
I like Mich but Prince is greater than Mitch and Mitch could stay on the team with Prince for all I care.
Josh Hamilton doesn't daydream. He's too busy giving the Yankees nightmares.--- Josh Hamilton Facts.
by Clutch Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
how do you know we DIDNT act like it?
how do you know we DIDNT offer more $$?
how do you know we ARENT in on fielder? trade targets? etc?
you dont.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
HOW DOES IT HELP THE RANGERS IF THEY DO NOT SPEND IT?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Sure but
the Yanks will still outbid us.
Josh Hamilton doesn't daydream. He's too busy giving the Yankees nightmares.--- Josh Hamilton Facts.
by Clutch Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Bad analogy.
NBA has a salary cap with a very harsh luxury tax penalty now.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Well, at least you aren't overreacting
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
this fucker is trolling us.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
This is dumb
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
by Schultzy on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
dumber than all the other stuff posted on here most nights I think not
Josh Hamilton doesn't daydream. He's too busy giving the Yankees nightmares.--- Josh Hamilton Facts.
by Clutch Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
this is worse.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
flagged
for stupidity.
Same shit is happening to the Mavs this year because Cubes cares more about getting the Dodgers than rebuilding a championship team.
you are a fucking moron. do you understand the CBA?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
No I don't
Josh Hamilton doesn't daydream. He's too busy giving the Yankees nightmares.--- Josh Hamilton Facts.
by Clutch Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
clearly
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Sure it was a bad analogy
but both situations ownership is disintresed in help said team out because of god knows what. Cuban could rebuild the Mavs but he has no desire because he think 2012 FA class is all coming to Dallas.
Josh Hamilton doesn't daydream. He's too busy giving the Yankees nightmares.--- Josh Hamilton Facts.
by Clutch Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
you are a fucking moron.
you need to keep your mouth shut, until you actually take the time to read about things as opposed to blurting out the first thing that comes to your mind.
it wasnt a bad analogy, it was an idiotic analogy. one that shows how much of a “moran” you are. read about the CBA. or just learn to read in the first place.
how in the fuck can you say the current ownership is “disinterested” in helping the team out after they shelled out HOW much in bonuses over the last few months. after this teams payroll went from 64.8mm in 2010 to 92.1 mm in 2011 (and already is at 74.5 mil for 2012)
you are a fucking idiot.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Total overreaction.
It was our expectations that led us to disappointment.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
well add in
that he is clearly a fucking moron and you are correct.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Wow.
This is horrifically bad analysis. Of two sports. Good job.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Analytically
How does the CJ WAR value compare to our lineup next year? What’s the difference? And is that difference a good reason we didn’t outdo the Angels? I’d imagine we’d have to have gone 5/80 on CJ.
A burden should never be something out of your control.
Entirely depends on...
How Feliz can transition back to the starting rotation and if Ogando learns a third pitch in ST.
At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.
So what are best case and worst case scenarios?
Match? I am terrible at this stuff.
A burden should never be something out of your control.
Well best case is
Feliz gets comfortable with all his pitches again and Ogando can last 200 innings and learns another off speed pitch. Then we get 2010 or playoff Colby and Harri and Dutch keep progressing.
Then you have a rotation that still isn’t quite as good as the Angels but our lineup is far far superior.
At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.
Best case is everyone steps up and their starting pitching and bullpen absorb the hit.
That is, they don’t blow as many leads as last year, even though they don’t take as many leads with Wilson gone. So, say, a wash, or close to it, with the pitching.
Worst case is that Lewis is the same pitcher, Holland and Harrison are inconsistent, Ogando’s not a starter, Feldman’s meh in his place, Feliz has a very rough first season, and Nathan is toast. In that case, I think a 5-6 WAR loss is not out of the question.
Of course, this assumes nothing else happens.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
(And, of course, it assumes Wilson would've posted a 5-6 WAR season again.)
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
I agree with your assessment on all of the above.
A burden should never be something out of your control.
Why WOULDN'T we go 5/80 on CJ, though?!?
200 IP+/200K+ pitchers don’t exactly grow on trees…
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Didn't this past season kind of prove it was sustainable?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
You seem to think he won't decline with age.
I also fully expect his walk rate to pick back up. He was well below career average last year. I think it’s a loss, but I also um unsure what years 4 and 5 with CJ at $16m/yr would be like.
A burden should never be something out of your control.
Moreso than one year's worth of data,
but I don’t know about ‘prove’
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
you think he sustains that for 5 years?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
I think very few pitchers sustain that for five years.
But I also think that years 1 to 3 would be worth a shakier back end of the deal. We can rationalize this all we want, but it’s BS that we couldn’t beat 5/75.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
i think there is very, very little chance
he has 200ip/200k numbers in the back half of that deal.
w
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
And there's a very very good chance that he outperforms $15mil/yr in the front half.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Or there is a very good chance
the walks start catching up to him and a bad defense behind him can’t bail him out.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
i have a hard time believing that he has a WAR of ~6 going forward.
in any year of his contract.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
CJ had something like 6 WAR this year I believe
It’s going to be tough making up for those 6 wins.
by RangersfaninROK on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
FWIW, Ben and Skin say CJ will be on Sportscenter shortly and then
will call in to their show
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM CST reply actions
He's no longer a Ranger
Don’t care
A burden should never be something out of your control.
by benjihana on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 9 recs
No joke.
I don’t want to hear his lame excuses and cliche crap about choosing the division rival as his next team.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
I don't blame him for going home.
If you didn’t think it was a huge possibility, then you were kidding yourself.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
He's dead to me....
Worse yet….he’s a member of LAAAAAAAA
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Why would i want to listen to CJ say that he loved his time here and he wishes us the best
when he just signed with our biggest rivals… Fuck him…
by Mantis Be Praised on Dec 8, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Seriously
what the fuck is he doing coming on Dallas radio after signing with our arch rivals? WTF? Seriously?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
long relationship w/ ben and skin
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
If this is the case, then I kinda dig it.
I trust the FO…
CJ: So, whatcha got.
JD: Huh?
CJ: Contract?
JD: Meh. 4/40?
CJ: Really? But LAA
JD: Yeah they just signed Pulolz.
CJ: Okay… well you’ll rue the day!
JD: Meh.
A burden should never be something out of your control.
i have a hard time believing this.
…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
B&S said
they held it under their hats because they didn’t want to influence the negotiations but the Rangers apparently made no offer.
No offer to a pitcher who gave them a 2.50ish road ERA in 210 IPs the last two years.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Do you form your own opinions
or just regurgitate information from other sources like a bird…
Don’t answer the question i already know the answer
by Mantis Be Praised on Dec 8, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
when will you learn to start posting without using numbers as a crutch josey?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
He said "not really"
Probably meaning they didn’t make an offer he felt was close to being satisfactory. That’s not the same thing as no offer.
mind = blown.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
There is a blurb on ESPN Dallas saying there was no formal offer,
but CJ knew where Texas was willing to go.
I think Texas knew he wanted to go home.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
He is the Prez, after all.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
We'll know JD is a real GM like Dombrowski, Towers, Amaro, Kenny Williams,
Anthopolis et al when his apologists stop blaming Nolan Ryan when things go wrong.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
two world series appearances
and he’s not a real GM. you’re hilarious.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
tball, I think he is the real GM and played a large part in
us going to the World Series.
When the shit hits the fan, a real GM doesn’t jump back in Nolan Ryan’s lap and start polishing his 2010 “Executive of the Year” award claiming, “It’s not my fault.”
A real GM wears it and then fixes it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
you are a fucking idiot.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
And, of course if there is one thing we know about JD
he is all about giving credit to everyone but himself when asked about the team’s success, and taking on blame when things go wrong.
Here it is YOU constantly deflecting any semblance of blame away from Ryan. It’s pretty stupid to think that he bears none of the responsibility for players like Wilson leaving. According to you Ryan is now on the phone with Daniels asking “WTF happened?” I seriously doubt it.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
ITS NOLAN'S BABY
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Greenberg
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
hmm, Im not really that suprised
I guess they really don’t think his success is sustainable going forward
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
There are going to be a lot of bans today
Defending Big D Check it out
Twitter
"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
Adam's not willing to do the one that needs to be done.
So whatever.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Theory
77.5m from LAA is worth more to CJ than the same amount from Texas.
That’s what I choose to base Rangers actions on. Not to mention confidence in their own rotation.
Go Strangers.
Has Angrydome ever been at this level before?
This has got to be close to Game 6.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Game 6 was pure depression
this is more anger
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
The money was here for CJ
I don’t think it was either a money or a years issue. It seemed pretty clear that the FO were fine to see CJ walk. For whatever reason that nobody has said out loud. Everything that JD etc have done from the start of the process was cool-shoulder CJ. I don’t think it’s been reported what the real thinking behind showing CJ the door was.
by Van Down By The River on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 AM CST reply actions
Agree
Posted it before, but Galloway has always said that some people in the Rangers’ FO don’t love CJ that much. Who knows why. Maybe they just think his performance isn’t sustainable for whatever reason. But they know him better than we do.
But I for one trust them. I think they’ve earned that with all their solid to brilliant decisions the last several years.
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 8, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
I completely agree with this.
No urgency with CJ. I trust JD and our staff at internal valuations and external. They must have felt that the replaceable value internally (or through other plans) exceeded signing CJ for the terms he wanted. Who knows?
I’m not upset at any of this. JD and co. have led us to two straight World Series berths, and there have been things that we, as BBS GMs, aren’t privy to and thought were questionable, but we were there.
They have a game plan and I think we on the board have a limited mindset to always look at next year only, when I think that is a very quick way to run a franchise into the ground.
We might not make the WS every year, but if we put ourselves in a position to be good most years and great a few years, then I’d rather do that then sell the farm to be great for a year or two just to handicap ourselves later.
A burden should never be something out of your control.
I disagree.
I’d rather win than come up just short.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
I never said we couldn't win it all.
Look at the Patriots. They operate that way… a few big contracts, but they have zero problem letting overpriced (or soon to be) veterans go.
As much as I hate them, I love the way they do business.
A burden should never be something out of your control.
CJ and the word "walk"
might have led the FO to allow him to walk.
by RyanBlueThunder on Dec 8, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
TROLOLOL
Jon_Heyman Jon Heyman
Got to admire cj wilson for taking less to go home. Of course $75M buys a lot of straight edges
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
he needs to ship all those straight edges to LSB
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I honestly don't get the Yu thing
It seems like if the FO wasn’t willing to shell out 5/75 or a little more for CJ, why would they give Yu equivalent money plus a post?
because they think he is better?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
this...
Age talent ceiling all better for Yu
Have you seen this kid pitch… He’s good
CJ is not an Ace Yu is
by Mantis Be Praised on Dec 8, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
Those vids of Darvish were pretty incredible.
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Yu is not an ace. That's stupid.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Not yet
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He could be
I think there is definitely that possibility
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
No one really knows what the hell Yu is.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
He has electric stuff.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
so does CJ
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 8, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Have you watched the videos?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
yes
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 8, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
You need to calm down today.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
i think its pretty naive to think that the rangers are better than laa
way better rotation and with the pujols signing, the lineup is only slighlty worse than ours
goodbye
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Their lineup is only a shell of our lineup
Even with Poo-holes
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I seriously doubt CJ even gave the Rangers an opportunity to match it
He saw the Pujols signing and immediately followed suit
Texas Rangers- You hang 'em, we bang 'em!
I think we all hope that
No matter who the Angels have just signed
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
B&S just said Rangers may have never made an offer to CJ
CJ told him last night that when he asked if Rangers made him an offer he paused and said “not really”
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM CST reply actions
That may just mean, in his mind, they never made a "serious offer"....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
yep. money and years weren't enough for his liking...
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
This is so fucked up.
No offer whatsoever?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
reading comprehension
“No offer whatsoever” isn’t what the post you responded to says Josey
by elvis1isking on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
(expecting a logical discussion here = lolz)
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
learn to read you old fuck.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
He was on their show yesterday or the day before
And said the Rangers basically said to bring us your best offer and we’ll see if we want to match or beat it. Maybe that’s what he meant.
CJ seemed to be whining about it, too. Imagine that.
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
He didn't say that was the Rangers that did that.
This is incorrect.
A burden should never be something out of your control.
Who was it then?
I thought he said the Rangers did it, and it kind of annoyed him
Anyway, sorry if I got the team wrong.
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 8, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
It wouldn't surprise me if it was the Rangers.
They tried the same thing with Lee last off-season, and it apparently annoyed him (and/or his agent), as well.
I don’t know why they’d try it again… players don’t seem to like it.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
And you were praising JD for his approach to CJ within the past couple of weeks.
Something like “Looks like JD played this perfectly.”
Vomit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
NOLAN'S BABY
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Were you praising JD's approach to this?
You’re in a corner here and it’s easy to suck on that bottle of research if necessary so just tell the truth this time.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
NOLAN'S BABY
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I'm at my desk, actually, which isn't in anything resembling a corner.
It was three to four weeks ago.
AJM had written:
Nolan supposedly didn’t want to go 5 years for Cliff Lee. I would be surprised if they went 5 years for CJ, unless the 5th year was a hard-to-reach vesting option…200 IP in 2015 or 400 IP in 2014-15, for example.
And I replied:
I could see that, sure. Something like 4 years, $60 million with the hard-to-reach vesting option?
Adam responded:
I think Texas would do that
I don’t think CJ takes that deal. Weird market for him right now.
The two LA teams don’t have money to spend. The Yankees aren’t interested in him. Boston could be a fit, but they’ve got a lot of dead money locked up in pitchers and probably don’t want to moneywhip him.
Philly isn’t signing a free agent starter. Neither is San Fran.
He likely is going to have a choice between staying here and leaving money on the table, or signing with an also run for the most money.
And I agreed:
I doubt Wilson takes that deal either, but maybe he’ll surprise us. I agree with you about his most likely options, which is why I think Daniels has played this correctly so far.
We were obviously wrong about one of the LA teams having money to spend, although, as I’ve written before, I was concerned about the Angels stepping up for Wilson as far back as early August.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Block-quote fail.
This part was also AJM:
The two LA teams don’t have money to spend. The Yankees aren’t interested in him. Boston could be a fit, but they’ve got a lot of dead money locked up in pitchers and probably don’t want to moneywhip him.
Philly isn’t signing a free agent starter. Neither is San Fran.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
So you said "that's why I think Daniels has played this correctly so far."
You were 100% wrong.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
He has rarely ventured into that region
You’re gonna have to show him around the place.
"wanna make love in the snow? ill call you a snowl angel and then put a carrot in your mouth and a butt on your nose"
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 3, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
by Suicide Prince on Dec 8, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
You mean wrong like this?
And if the Angels make a run at CJ it won’t be more than the 5/85 that Weaver got.
Maybe 5/80 or 5/75.
How in the fuck are going to replace 121 IPs on the road with a 2.31 ERA?
“Dying ain’t hard. It’s living that’s hard.”
“Don’t become the ’82 Milwaukee Brewers.”
“You want false modesty? F that.”
by Josey Wales on Nov 12, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/11/12/2556535/saturday-morning-rangers-stuff#82645662
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
NOLAN'S BABY
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I said rarely
Not never.
"wanna make love in the snow? ill call you a snowl angel and then put a carrot in your mouth and a butt on your nose"
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 3, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
by Suicide Prince on Dec 8, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
I was wrong about the Angels not having money to spend.
That’s for sure. I’ll wear that.
I stand by my statement that Daniels had played things correctly as of November 13. To the present’s another matter. If Daniels did tell Wilson that he should come to him with any offers to see if the Rangers would match it, for example, I wouldn’t argue that was “correct.”
But all I want to do is establish (for any readers who don’t know your track record of lying about what I’ve written) that I don’t think Daniels played this “perfectly.”
I’d be happy to continue this discussion with another poster, but you’ve proven incapable of having a decent exchange with me…
So: still no invitation.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Oh, here come the anti-Semitic responses.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
"not really" doesnt = "no"
not really could mean a large number of things, including that they didnt want to go to 5 years.
they could have offered 4 years = “not really”
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly....CJ's basically saying that, again...in his mind, the team wasn't
ever serious about re-signing him and didn’t make him a serious offer.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Which is very consistent with how they approached him last March.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Still not talking to you....
And you’re still incorrigible….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
CJ just said Rangers were about half of Marlins offer
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
so something like 3/50
ish
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
I think he mean total dollars. My guess is 4/40 - 4/48
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
I realize I'm in the minority.
But I’m fine with this. All of it.
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
I'm going to take a step back and look at this and probably come to the same conclusion...
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Why?
Blind faith in your leaders can get your ass shot off.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
FUCKING HELL MY GOD MY GOD
If i have to read more of your memes…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
I've decided to just imagine him opening up a Word doc with a title like "TrollmemesforLSB" and c-and-p'ing stuff here.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
by K.S.B. on Dec 8, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't talking to you....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
x
I used to own Mickey Tettleton's couch.
by Pith on Dec 8, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I need to have these things saved to respond to josey
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
and neither blind faith nor complete mistrust
is going to change on damn thing the front office does.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
The only thing that really sticks with me is that LAAA got him for 5/75
I didn’t want him back here, but I would’ve liked to have the signing sting a little more for them.
The Pujols contract is a joke.
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
(i bet he gave them a hometown discount)
for real. i bet he left a good chunk of $$ on the table from miami for that 5th year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
That's dumb
Because I bet they would’ve done 5/80-85. But whatever
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
heh
probably. after losing pujols
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Same here
It would be better if he didn’t go to a rival, but I think it’s clear the Rangers’ FO planned to lose him all along. So it’s not as if this is some shock — they’ve planned for it all along.
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
That's why I'm reserving judgment although I don't think they saw Pujols going to the Angels.
Surely we have a plan.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I really am, too.
I think we talked ourselves into the Angels being in a worse position than they were, but clearly our success the last two years convinced them to go above and beyond where their budget was projected and expected to be. So here we are.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
You can kill yourself worrying about what everyone else is doing,
and it isn’t productive. If the Rangers have a plan, which they seem to, stick to it and don’t make reactionary panic moves.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
I'm with ya man...
I’m with ya. It’s why I’m not saying much.
"I am tired because I danced al night"-Schultzy
crap
& with Puhols, I guess the Rangers better get CJ killer in Fielder.
by Ryan2907 on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 AM CST via mobile reply actions
and seriously....fuck our FO for this shit
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
yeah. cause the FO has been so terrible at this stuff lately.
#short-term memory, #kneejerk
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
sooo you don't think the Rangers should have signed CJ for that amount of money?
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Nope.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
the rangers couldnt get CJ for that money
They might have been able to get him for 5/85 but that would be dumb
by Mantis Be Praised on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
come on dshep
do you really believe they never made an odffer?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
didn't you feel that way after the Vernon Wells deal?
by Van Down By The River on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
What about the Vernon wells deal....
I was laughing my ass off on that one.
With this i just have a feeling that the rangers will make no moves this off season. And that we will regress quite a bit because of it…
Im praying for Yu right now…
by Mantis Be Praised on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Going off of what
Van down by the RIVER! said. When free agency started I told my friends CJ is def gone because the FO and the clubhouse at the end of the day just did not like him.
After seeing the offer he took…I think it is pretty clear they decided a long time ago that CJ was not right for the Rangers.
my completely unsubstantiated ass hat theory . . .
nolan hates him for his politics.
by Van Down By The River on Dec 8, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Heh
@LookoutLanding
Jeff Sullivan
It’s the Mariners’ fault
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
from fangraphs
Dan Haren‘s only under team control through 2013, and if they hope to keep him slotted into their rotation behind Jered Weaver, he’s going to require a pretty significant contract extension, probably somewhere north of $100 million on his own. Likewise, Ervin Santana is a free agent after 2013, and there’s already talk that the team will try to trade him now that they have Pujols and Wilson in the fold. Meanwhile, starting catcher Chris Iannetta can void his contract to become a free agent next winter, while second baseman Howie Kendrick, shortstop Erick Aybar, and quality infielder Maicer Izturis are set to hit the open market as well.
It’s simply going to be cost prohibitive to retain all or even most of those guys, so the Angels have likely chosen Pujols over retaining their in-house players who will be up for big raises in the not too distant future. I don’t know that spending $25 million per year on Pujols is actually going to provide a better return than using that money to lock up some combination of Aybar, Kendrick, and Haren, and if the Angels have to let several of those players go to keep their payrolls at reasonable levels, it’s not clear that they’ve actually improved their ability to contend during the time when Pujols still projects as an elite player.
The Angels are now contenders in 2012, but I don’t know if the present value added for the next year or two is worth the long term consequences of this contract. The Angels are going to need a lot of things to break their way in order for this to work.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
This assumes the Angels have to keep their payroll at $140 million going forward,
and ignores all the bad contracts coming off the books.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Yep.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
All in for 2012, then hope for the best after that?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
too bad they dont have Lackey
anymore
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Douchemeter broken
forever
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
They are moving and shakin' at the Winter Meetings.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
That would be interesting, given what the A's reportedly wanted the Rangers to send for Bailey.
Not sure I’m buying this one.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
trumbo doesn't seem like the guy to build a package around
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I beginning to agree with the argument that FO did not want CJ anyway.
That contract could have easily been matched. Perhaps they think that any one of Holland/Harrison/Feliz will be = or > CJ going forward. Or perhaps something bigger is in the works.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
I think its probably a combo
but we’ll see, Im hoping they felt money was better invested elsewhere this offseason, but we will see.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
I also think that CJ was never in the Rangers' sights
There’s nothing out there that suggests that the Rangers were really going after him, and like you said, we still have a good, young rotation ahead of us (unless we really fuck up and do something stupid like Holland and prospects for Garza).
Even with this all, I’ve never viewed Wilson as anything but a good number two guy. Even through last year and before the playoffs I felt that he just didn’t have the stuff to lead the rotation. We have a higher ceiling in our rotation than the Angels do, and that’s going to pay off in the future.
The Angels have a two year window with their money whipping. The Rangers have a possible five year run still in them. The onus is on L.A. to get it done fast; we still have the edge.
by Perfect Zero on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Not really, on that last point.
Not really at all. Pujols, Weaver, Trout, Wilson will all still be very good in 3 years.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Plus,
apparently they have more money than all but a few teams in the majors.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Sigh.
Angels at $170m is a bitch.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yes.
It’s so much bad news all at once. This really does look like it’s becoming a Cards vs Cubs or Braves vs Phillies/Mets type situation when we all thought it was going to be a White Sox-Tigers situation.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Cahill would be a downgrade
besides, he wouldnt be able to pitch against us anymore.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
I dont want Gio...
I want no one who pitches in Oakland… the numbers are so skewed there because of foul ground and a massive outfield
by Mantis Be Praised on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
lets just pay Yu
and get it over with
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Lots of team control
Career HR rates road vs home pretty similar. BB is his problem.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Only one of those that I'd want
is Yu. And we’re not getting him, so…
Honestly, the very worst part of this
is Josey has a new meme. Oh, good, sweet, merciful Jesus.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I don't have my gavel and I'm not behind the bench yet...reserving judgment and waiting for the plan to unfold.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You've clearly already painted JD as the loser here.
Don’t be asinine.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
He fucked up every part of the CJ Negotiations...let's see if he has a plan and can fix it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
how do you know he fucked it up?
are you IN the room with him?
OMG are YOU nolan ryan?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
NOLAN'S BABY
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
heh its gonna be my response from now on
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
He stuck to the plan the front office agreed on
stop acting as if Daniels, all by himself, let Wilson go. You really have no understanding of how front offices reach decisions and carry them out, do you?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
He understand perfectly well that this was not JD's decision alone.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I know, this FO has shown they clearly make decisions together..
Even if JD is the GM. Don’t even tell me if the Rangers wanted to match that offer they couldnt have easily done that. Nolan clearly didnt want this.
CJ have said it himself its clear for whatever reason we didnt want him back, why is that so hard to see, we all suspected it.
The thought of you in a courtroom, in any position of authority, both amuses and terrifies me.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
The thought of you waddling up to my bench, all pitted out and
wearing a bolo tie w/ suspenders looking for clarification on a ruling makes me giggle.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I think Nolan Sandusky's you
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
My ties are from Loewe and Hermes.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Earrings on a pig, Tiny.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
"I dazzled their asses on the internet today, Mrs. Wales. You would have been proud of me!"
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"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
by JDT217 on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I knew you'd run with that.
I think admitting arguing on the internet is akin to talking about masturbation when you’re approaching 50.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And your Braggadacio Montage grew a little more today.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
"Before it's all over we're gonna get a little place out in the country, and I'll raise some vegetables, a couple of chickens..."
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Pepper those tomatoes! Be anything, but don't be boring!
/JW
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Keep your poise, Tiny.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Loman! Loman! Loman!
You’ll be a great one yet, Willy.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Anyone who thinks Josey Wales is actually a working judge, raise their hand.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Gonna go ahead and say what we are all thinking
I wouldn’t give a fuck about any of this had we just gotten one more strike in game 6.
But now…this just makes it sting even more.
Gonna go ahead and say what we are all thinking
I wouldn’t give a fuck about any of this had we just gotten one more strike in game 6.
But now…this just makes it sting even more.
Jeff Wilson
#Rangers never made formal offer to C.J. Wilson, but he knew where they were willing to go.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM CST reply actions
So the most the Rangers offered CJ was 4/48 (last March, allegedly).
Awesome.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
It was personal.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Nolan needs to stick to grilling
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Heh
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 8, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
oh about 35 thousand
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
NOLAN'S BABY
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
it's not personal
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Wow.
What a complete misplay.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
I'm guessing (from how things ended), that they were willing to go 4/60-65.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Well that part doesn't bother me at all
If they said 4 and CJ said you will have to go at least 5, why draw up a formal offer.
Just wish they had been willing to go 5.
That is if the rumors are roughly correct.
Today is filled with anger, fueled with hidden hate,
Scared of being outkast, afraid of common fate,
But tomorrow I see a change, a chance to build anew,
built on spirit, intent of heart, and ideas based on truth,
Tomorrow I wake with second wind and strong ideas of pride,
I know I fought with all my heart to keep the dream alive.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM CST reply actions
Today, CJ Wilson is gone and out of sight
I only wish that my Rangers had put up a decent fight
Although he will be missed, there’s nothing I can do
But hope and pray and wish and dream that we can sign Yu
I used to own Mickey Tettleton's couch.
by Pith on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty good.
Is that a Pith original? Mine was copied.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Ben & Skin getting ready to replay Josh interview (he randomly called in this morning).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Stop talking...
Please stop talking no cares what Ben and Skin say or anything to do with their show…
by Mantis Be Praised on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
It was pretty good
Josh talked contract and not wanting crazy money. He also said he would play any position they wanted
mentioned
he was ok with a provision that nullified his contract if he relapsed.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Dec 8, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
5/105?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I still don't see why people find him more likeable than CJ.
/AJM
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
I don't think the money is the best argument.
Hamilton isn’t going to be able to get a Werth type contract because of his injury history.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Pujols/Wilson =
A-Rod/ Chan-Ho? No? Anybody?
by j-r-d on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
interesting...
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
what I was thinking, haha
but I think Angels have quite a few more pieces around those two than Rangers did back then
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Weird parallels between contracts I guess...
when you consider inflation.
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
One of those hitters was 25 with MVP seasons ahead of him.
The other is 32 with declining power and plate discipline.
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
Uhhh
Their team also has 2 (other) Cy Young candidates, a guy who was in the MVP discussion for the first half of the year, and one of the best young prospects in the game ready to step in for 2012.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I hate hate hate that they have Trout
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
And Bourjos too.
He’s a solid player.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He seems like the type of player who regresses a lot the next year.
But who knows, he may be a consistent FGut type player. Maybe a CF only Zobrist?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
even if all he is
is a good glove, I hate that they have both him and Trout in the OF helping out that pitching talent.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Yep.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Aren't they going to eat the Abreu Contract now?
You have an OF with Trout, Bourjos, Hunter, Wells (somebody will DH be the 4th OF) which would seem to leave no room for Abreu.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
could happen
they also could choose to eat/deal Kendrick or Morales to soften the payroll blow.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Probably will give Trout and Bourjos less time (at least at first).
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
LoMo Trollin' again
@LoMoMarlins
Logan Morrison The real winner is the gov. In the Pujols signing. Cali is taking 25m and Feds are taking 80m. We might be getting out of the deficit sooner
I used to own Mickey Tettleton's couch.
He is hilarious.
And he needs to be a Ranger.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Ha ha ha
He is fun to follow on twitter.
by The Best Micah on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Pujols=job creator
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I only have one thing to say....
These signings will make winning the West for the third time, that much fucking sweeter. Let’s bring out the welcome mat for Prince as well!
"That's like asking whether I'd rather you kick me in the gonads or pee on my face" - Jobu
by hateball on Dec 8, 2011 11:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions
ok so I'm off the ledge
FO obviously has some sort of plan…..I would just like a hint of what that is.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Same
I trust JD and Company, but I’m going on blind faith right now. I want them to show me something.
by The Best Micah on Dec 8, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, this is true
But I’m looking at the future now.
by The Best Micah on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't say that
I guess I should have said, I kind of need something to help me hold on right now.
by The Best Micah on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Depends...
The Astros recent performance suggests they’ll be bad next year. The Rangers recent performance suggests they’ll be good next year.
But that doesn’t mean teams can’t dramatically improve from year to year.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
yep truth.I'm getting scared tho
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I dont think it was no interest
I think it was clearly he was our plan B
We haven’t been given any indication Prince is our plan B this year
The Prince thing has been like the anti-Beltre.
With Beltre, it was clear that there was some interest from the Rangers but everyone wondered how it would work given the options the Rangers already had at 3rd.
With Prince, everybody sees how it could work position-wise, but we haven’t heard of any interest by the Rangers.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
God if he goes to Seattle this place is going to fucking explode.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
That's who REALLY needs Prince.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Sort of.
They could use some position players who can hit. Between Smoak, Carp and some other easily acquirable depth, they don’t project to be as bad as they have been recently in the defensively-limited-masher category.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Did you see my post from a couple of days ago when the first Pujols / Angels started?
Where I asked you to describe in five words or less your reaction if:
Pujols to Angels
CJ to Marlins
Prince to Mariners
Nathan to Rangers our only move
But now it’s Pujols and CJ to Angels…
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No.
Let me think about it. [this is not my response]
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I guess I'll go with:
Fuck, this just got harder.
…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it was RH hitters who scuffled in Seattle.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Well apparently its not prince
and its hard to make Darvish a plan with blind bidding.
If the plan is paying a lot of prospects for a starter, I find that plan meh.
I do have faith in JD though and there are options out there… hope they can come up with something that doesn’t involved extending Hamilton.
i'm impatient
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Yes
We need to take a deep breath and look at track record. JD has made some good moves over the past few years and it has paid off. I look at it as CJ really wanted to pitch in LA and it would have taken an WOW offer to keep him here. And when I see the Pujols deal I cringe at that kind of money for a player who is past is prime years. Don’t get me wrong. He is still talented. But how many 25 million dollar seasons does he have left in him? I’m going to hope for the best because its all I can do.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
I think if CJ spuned a 5/75 offer from us or a 5/80 offer from us you woldn't see nearly the vitrol toward the FO
It would be aimed at CJ. But since apparently we didn’t make a credible offer you have to blame the FO a bit regardless of how their past moves have panned out
Yep.
If the Angels got him for 6/95 or some such, there would be much less anger to the FO.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Honestly?
Probably at least 4 or 5.
Also, JD can be very good and the Rangers could not win the division given that they are apparently going up against a team that can outspend them by $50M every year.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
So... one of the things I was thinking about while driving to work...
Is that Rangers from a PR perspective need to do SOMETHING to build enthusiasm. I completely understand their risk aversion from a roster construction stand point…
But… I think it will be more challenging for them to sell season tickets compared to how easy it was last year coming off of a World Series that broke the hearts of their fans and seeing the best hitter and best pitcher in free agency go to our rival, with CJ coming from us.
I’m not sure what that move is… but there really does need to be something to market. This is still the entertainment business and I think there’s a lot of potential revenue they may lose if they don’t take the bad taste out of the our mouths.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Dude, our new CF is going to kick ass...
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I was thinking the same thing.
Someone — Evan Grant’s my bet — might also bring up the effect of doing “nothing” on the players heading into 2012 after the World Series collapse, but I think its the fans that are the biggest question.
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Yeah.
As much as the instant analysis on ESPN Radio by Cowherd and 2 football guys (Wingo and Schlereth) was horrifically bad, they actually hit on something I’m a bit concerned about – how does this move the meter in terms of public perception of the team and does it do so in a long lasting profitable way?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Wasn't the answers to renewing season tickets due a couple of days ago??
Interesting that the Rangers asked for that commitment from the fans just a couple of days before this went down. It’s like they knew CJ was gone and knew the fans would be pissed and might not re-new.
- off season -
Coincedence.
Same timing every year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
CJ is on ESPN right now with the BBTN guys.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Says he agreed to it after the Angels decided to guarantee 5.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Rotation impacted his choice with Weaver, Haren, and Santana.
But being close to home was the biggest thing.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
odds of them having those 4 in their rotation going forward?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
I can't decide about that.
Apparently, they have $Cubs or $Mets…but even if they don’t, it doesn’t seem like it would be hard to improve their team while still trading him away? Or at the very least, stay similarly good.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Torii Hunter helped convince him.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
“I was under the impression they were going to make a more serious run at me then they did”
“it wan’t even like night and day.. it was like ….. etc…”
“Didn’t even really have a shot”
Hmm?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
K, thanks.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
I think, in retrospect, that was apparent
when they announced Feliz to the rotation and the Nathan signing. I still expect them to pursue trade opportunities and make a bid on Darvish, but I do not expect them to make deals that are too costly in terms of prospects or dollars.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
He's talking about the Rangers.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I see that now.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
sounds like there was an offer
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
"not really"
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
? There was an offer
but it wasnt very good
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
being a smartass
not the top offer != “not really” an offer
sry
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Years and dollars weren't there from Texas
Said he was disappointed that they didn’t even come close to what the others (particularly the Marlins) were offering.
Said the Marlins’ offer was almost twice what the Rangers said they’d do.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
so i was right
in that he left a large amount of money to go to LAAAA
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Depends what the numbers were
Marlins were supposedly 6 years.
if the Rangers didn’t budge much off their previous 4/48 offer the Marlins may have been 6/85 (close enough to almost twice) but he would be taking the higher AAV by going to LA
But should we kill him for that?
He’s said all along that he was considering more than money. We all thought that was a good thing.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
nope
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Wow.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
i dont even know what to think about that.
do we really not think that highly of cj?
do we have trouble predicting other teams offers?
are we really going to be that stingy?
what does this mean
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Incredible.
Just incredible.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
I have a feeling the Rangers wouldn't even go 4 years on him.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Wants to team up with Weaver like Ace and Gary, apparently.
My words, not his.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Angels surprised even him by what they were willing to do, sounds like.
He didn’t expect for them to come in with the fifth year and then they told him (in a roundabout way) that they were going to make another big splash after him.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Only thing he's said about the Rangers was the "not even night and day" comment.
Highlighting Pujols and the Angels’ rotation.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Texas was at about half of what the Marlins were
Said Texas’s was “not a very good offer” and blames the television contract not coming in yet.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Big gap between Marlins and Angels, huge gap between Angels and Rangers.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Yeah, they didn't go over 3 years.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Seems angry at the Rangers.
If not anger, definitely some kind of resentment.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Definitely. He feels entitled. He was a part of our success, but were we (i.e. FO) not also a part of his?
He needs to quit bagging the Rangers and leave behind-closed-doors shit where it belongs.
No, I don't blame him at all.
I’m sure a lot of Rangers fans are wondering how on earth he could sign with a division rival. He’s pre-empting it.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
While I don't "blame" him...
I’m still going to root against him.
Wrong jersey holmes.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I never liked him as much as you did,
mainly because the walks and nibbling would often drive me bonkers. But I am more mad at the Rangers FO for not realizing what they had than at CJ for signing with the Angels.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
yeah
the statement about MIA being (close to) double the Rangers.
Does that mean the Rangers were at about $50mil or so? If so, there’s a lot that could say, but none of it all that good.
by elvis1isking on Dec 8, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
It's all business/money in the FO IMO. It's pride, entitlement, angst and other emotions w/ CJ.
Not saying CJ hasn’t always been boisterous, just saying he shouldn’t bag on the team. The team was a part of his success too.
Honestly,
I have a hard time believing that the distaste of CJ’s personality by some in the Rangers organization didn’t play a role here. I have no hard evidence to back that up…
…I’m just flabbergasted that the Rangers don’t value CJ at ~3WAR/year.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with this
I’m sure personality played a role.
by The Best Micah on Dec 8, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
We don't know that they don't value CJ at an average of 3 WAR per year.
We just don’t know exactly how they value those WAR over a five-year contract, given their budget and the salary issues to come.
Based on the Wilson negotiations, I’d say there are more budgetary constraints than most here thought, leading to a tough analysis of marginal cost of wins…
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Hey Aqua...
Do you have the ability to see the actual inherited debt from the acquisition?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
In the Rangers auction?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Yeah.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm sure the documents are still online.
They filed in the Northern District of Texas, so it’s a different district from mine, but I can get access.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
We should ask Maury.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that last point hits it on the head.
I mentioned it elsewhere, but all of a sudden it seems like they will only be signing one big FA over the next 4 years to take their payroll up to ~$125M. I had assumed they’d march steadily up to $150M by 2015.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Yup.
I think there was some irrational exuberance about the Rangers’ finances.
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Two World Series runs and a record setting attendance
Should generate a lot of short term revenue.
I think the revenue projections are right… I wonder about our understanding of their debt aside from payroll.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
i think we also understimated the owners desires to actually keep some of that money instead of putting it back into the team
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it was irrational.
It was logical based on incomplete information.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
OK: I think the amount of exuberance,
based on the amount of incomplete information, was over the top… I mean, it doesn’t make any difference, but that’s been my take.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
I think also at play is the Rangers' estimation of their young pitchers on hand
They obviously believe this group can perform well.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
My issue with this is that
they are creating a team that is a prototypical succeed in the regular season struggle in the postseason team.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
I'd want to wait for the trade deadline before concluding that...
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
I know that's been their modus operandi lately,
but it frustrates me. It didn’t take a genius to figure out where the needs would be in 2011 and I would rather they have done more to address it in the offseason.
Or: Do you think the cost of an Ace is more at the trade deadline or in the offseason?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Do you think there's an ace available right now, via trade?
My take is that most of them are on teams that feel they can/must contend in 2012… or that have zero interest in trading their guy.
The former could well change by mid-season, even if the latter doesn’t.
But, yes, it’s frustrating.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
This
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I'm a bit skeptical
that there is a prototype, or that there is only one way to win in the playoffs.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Sure.
It’s more general kvetching, but it’s something I wonder about. Let’s not assume that stats made to evaluate what makes teams good over the course of a season will perfectly correlate to what should happen in the postseason.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
He was also a big reason they failed
To win a WS this year.
"That's like asking whether I'd rather you kick me in the gonads or pee on my face" - Jobu
by hateball on Dec 8, 2011 11:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't blame him at all.
In fact, if he picked the Angels in part because he was mad at the Rangers disrespecting him, I don’t blame him for that either.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Playing with the Angels is "like having a real life all of the sudden."
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
fuck that guy.
this is on the level of “me and 24 kids” for me.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
What does it even mean?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
that texas/dallas was shitty
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think that is what he is saying,
but I could be wrong.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
hmmm maybe not then
that is how i saw it though
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
That's what A-Rod implied
But I don’t think that’s what Pujols is saying.
by The Best Micah on Dec 8, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Biggest question to me
What is the payroll level people expect for the Angels in the next 5 years, and the Rangers in the next 5 years?
I trust the front office, but running a payroll $50 mil behind the Angels is tough.
See Jeff Wilson
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
See the CJ interview that you directed us to....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
?
He said they told him what they were generally willing to do and it wasn’t even in the ballpark of the other teams.
The Rangers clearly did not want to re-sign CJ. I don’t like it, but obviously there is a legitimate debate. Sigh.
I didn't see the Wilson tweet before this
The way he was talking on ESPN sounded like there was a formal offer.
I was responding to Josey claiming there was no offer made whatsoever by FO
Even if it was a formal offer that was way off base, it’s still an offer.
Daniels and this front office have earned my trust
If they did not match this offer for Wilson, then there was a good reason.
CJ on sportscenter
Said he didn’t get the indication Texas really wanted him. Texas only offered half of what Marlins were offering. Not even in the same ballpark.
said angels and rangers weren't even close
marlins offer was even better
by rangersfan32 on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
what do you think we offered cj?
4/60?
4/50?
3/60?
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x
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mmmmmmm.....Ranch Corn Nuts...............
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
3-36
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by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
if i was cj, and that offer got put infront of me, i would probably laugh.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
I know this isn't the question
but I would have gone up to 5/90 if that’s what it took to keep him away from LAA.
Derek Holland-2011 ALCS MVP
I'm guessing we offered 4/48 and the Marlins were at 6/96
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'm not so sure.
Probably not. But it wouldn’t surprise me if he left $10M.
Also, we don’t know that the last year was guaranteed.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
I could see him leaving 6/84 or something like that.
I bet that’s about what their offer was.
I also think that when CJ texted Eclou he already knew he was going to the Angels because of the home town thing and knowing the Rangers weren’t close and it was just trying to squeeze that fifth guaranteed year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That last part wouldn't surprise me.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Just trying to do the math...given how Pujols was going to Cali...I wonder if he wanted to be a part of that?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
wasn't there a report of 6/80 from the Marlins?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
The Rangers only offered BGL...
half of what the Marlins were offering. I need to leave, this is really upsetting me.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
If we don't sign Darvish or Fielder
I will question the balls of this front office, especially Nolan Ryan. He seems to be the ring leader in the anti long term deals bandwagon.
The window we have is still there, but it’s just got a LOT tougher to see us as consistent contenders in the West.
Our best starter is who? Harrison? The Angels now have 4 starters SIGNIFICANTLY better than our best starter.
Derek Holland-2011 ALCS MVP
Best regular season starter?
Holland. More upside and more CG than BGL. Best Post-Season Starter? Colby Lewis. Dude won PS games with bum hip. CJ nibbled in PS.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
Holland was nowhere near the pitcher
CJ was during the regular season. Don’t fool yourself.
Derek Holland-2011 ALCS MVP
Actually... for the last three months of the season he absolutely was.
Compare their July through September numbers.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
...
You’re better than that.
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Eh.
I would actually wager money that Holland can come within half a win of C.J. for 2012.
C.J.’s got a much tighter range, but there is certainly overlap between the two.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't expect Holland to be capable of jumping up to the 6 WAR range next year.
The ceiling for CJ Wilson is definitely higher next year.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Right... I didn't even see the ceiling comment.
Just that their regular season’s didn’t compare. And they were actually neck and neck for the last three months of the season.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Holland is exactly the sort of pitcher
who it doesn’t make sense to limit your sample size for.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Sure.
But CJ’s sample size isn’t Buehrle-esque either.
I think CJ (off the cuff guess) is about a 3.75 to 6.00 WAR pitcher next year.
I think Holland i something like a 1.00 to 5.00 WAR pitcher next year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't disagree with that.
Maybe a bit higher for both on the ceiling.
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see Holland being 1 WAR
unless he’s injured and doesn’t pitch the whole year. He was at 3.6 this year even with a lot of terrible starts. I think he might not be much better next year, but I’d guess he’ll at least be slightly less volatile.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Yeah, maybe more like 2.0-5.5 WAR for Holland,
and 3.5-6.5 WAR for CJ.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
that seems right
though I’d be pretty shocked if Wilson got over 6 WAR. He pitched 220 innings and had his career best walk rate in 2011 and still only got to 5.9. That walk rate was still just worse than league average (I think, without looking it up) and I do not see him repeating that. And I don’t see the Angels’ defense helping him quite as much as the Rangers did this year.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
If I had to pick one number
I go CJ: 4.5 WAR
Holland: 4.0 WAR
That’s probably too optimistic on Holland… but that’s what I’m feeling.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
that's about what I'd guess to
just that Holland gets there with less drama than 2011.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
True.
But I also don’t see how we can say what a guy does in his 2nd year of starting is his true ceiling. If he were 27, we’d be projecting 7 WAR for him the next year. But he isn’t, so…
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
even if he were 27
if had those walk rates in his past I’d be pretty hesitant to predict 7 WAR. Hell, I’m hesitant to predict 7 WAR for any pitcher.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Sorry.
projecting that as his ceiling.
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
ah, that makes sense
and I wouldn’t dismiss it out of hand for him doing that once. That would hurt, but I expect he’ll total about 15-16 WAR over the contract.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I'll go ahead and do it for Halladay.
That’s the list.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
What?
Holland does not have more upside in 2012 than CJ Wilson.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think Nolan is alone in not wanting long term deals.
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Just saw the EG report about us not being in on Darvish.
Now I’m depressed.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
where the hell did our money go?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Maybe we misunderstood what it actually was.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think this is very likely.
But I’ve been beating the $105-110 million drum for a while, now.
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=(
.
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
It was monopoly money
Or maybe it all went to Nolan Ryan’s hot dog fund
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
The Hamilton extension is going to be really, really stupid.
Like paying pennies on the dollar in 3 or 4 years stupid.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
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our owners actually want to keep their money, apparently
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Unspent resources are still resources.
Perhaps they are waiting for LAAAA to get leveraged up to their sphincter to determine what trades/moves they will need to make.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
Eh,
even if LAA has tapped themselves out monetarily, they’ve gotten good value for their money over the next 5 years.
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Sure. They have made their play (hopefully)
We still have the resources to counter punch. Which may not come until late July 2012 at which time the LAAAAA may not have the same kind of flexibility to take on payroll for the 4 or 5 other hitters they will likely need.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
The thing about teams in the $160+ million ballpark
is that they tend to have ‘a lot’ of money coming off their books every year.
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
They have like $50M coming off the payroll next offseason
they could deal for help in mid-2012 AND consider signing Anibal Sanchez or Matt Cain next winter.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Overall, probably.
If you decompose the next five years, looking at the Wilson and Pujols signings, I’m not sure I agree with that as a blanket statement.
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with the new CBA
increasing the value of marginal wins, perhaps it makes sense over the next 5 years.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Maybe.
I’m skeptical. The Wilson deal certainly strikes me as more likely to pay off in full over the next five years.
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certainly
I’m talking about taking both deals together. I think, though, that this involved a bit of reaction to last winter when they missed out on Beltre.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Yeah.
One strike away and then an avalanche of disappointment.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Goddamit, Match, I've really been trying this morning.
But that breaks it.
Fuck this day. Fuck the Angels. Fucking fuck.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
We're still a very good team.
But the Angels are almost certainly more talented right now.
We will be in it… it will be an exciting race… but it’s hard.
And there’s nothing to be excited about right now.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm about to post something about that on ODB.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
x
Evan_P_Grant Evan Grant
Do not expect Rangers to be major players in the Yu Darvish sweepstakes.
Evan_P_Grant Evan Grant
For those asking "why" on Darvish: Comes down to cash available and talent evaluation. Rangers will spend on their own players this winter.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
If that happens
I cannot support this FO anymore.
"That's like asking whether I'd rather you kick me in the gonads or pee on my face" - Jobu
by hateball on Dec 8, 2011 11:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Tap on the brakes there, buddy.
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If word comes down on a Hamilton extension I may just quit on baseball.
Fucking Game 6 of the World Series and a shit-fucking-tastic offseason would be too much.
woo.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Well we already let one go
and we will probably sign another to a ridiculous and stupid contract (Hamilton).
Plus a questionable overpay on Nathan.
GREAT F’ING OFFSEASON PLAN RANGERS!
Derek Holland-2011 ALCS MVP
I find this really hard to believe..
with the amount of interest JD showed in Darvish, you don’t go to Japan to see him for the fuck of it if you’re not expecting to be a major player.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
The part about "cash available" in Grants tweet scares the shit out of me
Because that makes me think even more that we are going to just extend our own guys since they wont need any extra cash since their arb salaries are already factored into the budget. Only guy I could see it affecting is Kins if we rip up his current deal for a new one
Yep.
But then what do you do with Profar?
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
You eventually move Kinsler to a corner outfield spot
or you make a move in a trade down the road when there’s a can’t miss offer on the table.
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2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
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Quit trying add shock value to your posts.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think assuming Elvis is going to leave is a terrible proposition.
I also don’t think he’s going to be the MVP-type player that so many here seem to be waiting for him to turn into.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
And I don't think moving Kinsler to a corner outfield spot
by the end of his career would be out of the question…
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That will go over well...one of the best defensive 2B in the game
moving to the OF for a young unproven player.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
when he's older
he might no longer be one of the best, and it might make some sense then for health reasons.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Yeah, it actually went over quite well
You just had a bitch of a SS that cried his way off the infield. I would say that move payed HUGE dividends = 2 WS appearances. But your right, no precedent there
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
Yeah.
I honestly don’t know what to think of that. Seems like a realm for the scouts to project.
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Yup.
Obviously, this all depends on whether/how long they extend Kinsler. But if they sign him through, say, 2017? I don’t want to bet that he brings the defense at 2nd at ages 34 and 35 the way he has at 28 and 29, do you?
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Past a Diving Ian Kinsler?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Past a Diving Ian Kinsler Elvis.
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Not at all.
And unfortunately, an excellent bat at 2B is not an great bat at 1B.
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Might play in a corner outfield spot, though...
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Well fuck.
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Indeed.
I am very concerned about our financial capabilities right now.
I wonder if there’s more bankruptcy related debt issues than we understood and the owners are dipping into their pockets just to get us to $100-105.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I just don't get it.
The numbers don’t add up to this.
The best I can come up with: The Rangers have a salary max of ~$125M until the new TV deal kicks in and they didn’t want to use their one big FA chip left on CJ.
If so, I’m incredibly disappointed.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
I think that the rangers are waiting.
The new TV deal does not kick in right away and they are not looking to spend that money before they have it. This is just MHO.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
The goal is to fucking win a championship. That's not gonna cuti t.
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
Well, if they want to reserve their "one big FA chip"
for someone else it depends on who that is before I’m too pissed about it.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
This is what frustrates me:
Let’s say they use it in 2013…that would negate where the advantage this team had in competing for next year.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
well, they could use it now
or, and this would disappoint me, they could be reserving that money for extensions. Given the Young and Feldman deals I really, really hope this is not the case.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
And given the injury history of the guys
that they would likely extend.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Indeed. Spending this money on Hamilton and Cruz is not a good plan.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I'm not
I think they just didn’t want to bring CJ back for whatever reason. I don’t believe the stories on Yu.
I don't see them dropping more money on Yu considering they did not
go in bigger on CJ. Too inconsistant,
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
There's a difference....
It’s looking more and more like they FO didn’t want CJ….
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
I think we are on a similar line of thought.
I would not go as far as to say the Rangers did not want him. I think they considered their internal options and decided they do not want CJ at that price. If they are not going to “that price” on Cj then I do not see them going higher on Yu. If they do … then the rangers really did not want CJ.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
I don't either.
Then again, it’s such a weird process, I’m not at all convinced they land him.
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
I don't take that as gospel.
In a blind bidding process, the last thing you want to do is announce you’re in. Nobody is admitting to being interested in bidding.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
So LAA traded Chatwood, and now are shopping Santana
Even if CJ has ’11 numbers, is the rotation really hugely better?
by Van Down By The River on Dec 8, 2011 11:15 AM CST reply actions
I wonder what they could get for Santana...think they'd make a run at Hanley?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Chatwood had a 1.67 2011 whip, so he doesn't really have anything to do with it
If they get good value for Santana then it wouldn’t matter if the value is in the rotation or somewhere else. Or they might not trade him.
I recall CJ had 6 WAR and Santana a little over 3 WAR in 2011
That would be a significant upgrade in my opinion.
by RangersfaninROK on Dec 8, 2011 11:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
This is just so depressing
I still have hope JD has something up his sleeve
Derek Holland-2011 ALCS MVP
has anyone coined the term 'Albertross" yet?
by SteveP on Dec 8, 2011 11:18 AM CST reply actions 8 recs
You just did
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
On the bright side...
Bob Simpson Joins Harvest Power’s Board of Directors
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
Harvest wheat?
Fielder signing imminent?
by Perfect Zero on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Don't even care.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Probably end up at the fucking Lakers the way this day is going.
Then again… I’d probably like that.
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agreffe?
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Help me out here because I don't pretend to know salary capology.
If the Mavs give Barea a one year deal now can they give a much better offer next year?
Same thing with Chandler?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
thought i heard the other day that he wants to play with tyson or something.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
I think any PG does
If we don’t resign Tyson I think we are going to struggle to attract free agents with Dirk alone… just like before
Tyson or Dwight,
it sounds like.
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
I'd be willing to suck or be mediocre this year if we can get Deron or Howard or Paul next year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
thats not going to happen without having an elite big man.
a la tyson or dwight.
without one of those two, the odds of us getting any of those guys is extremely small.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
I doubt it, I mean sure it'd be more attractive with Tyson but it's not possible
I’m not saying they’re going to land one but Dirk is a big enough draw.
not bigger than going to LA to play with Kobe.
or going to the knicks. or even going to clippers and play with griffin.
there is a limited number of elite FAs, and some of them even want to be on the same team. if we dont sign tyson in hopes of freeing up cap room for FAs, we are going to end up like chicago.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Younger
with the potential to be better in about 2-3 years.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Tremendous underrating of Dirk going on here.
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i dont think its so much about dirk, as it is this whole team in 3-4 years.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
and thats not me talking, thats from what ive been reading these players saying.
no one is saying “i want to go play with dirk”. no one is saying “i want to be a maverick”. people like paul and deron are saying they want griffen, they want howard, they want new york, they want LA.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
In 3 years,
you still think Dirk will be an elite talent?
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
I misunderstood what you were saying.
I thought it was an absolute statement that Griffin would be better in 3 years than Dirk ever was.
My bad.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
oh no no no no. im at least not saying that.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Hell no.
I have Dirk in the top 10 all time in NBA.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
No.
Russell, Wilt, Jabbar, West, Robertson, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Shaq, Jordan.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Yeah.
Dirk is good, but I don’t think he’s Top 10 all time. Top 20?
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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
I'd put him ahead of both Barkley and Malone but behind
Duncan and Hakeem.
Then you gotta figure out Lebron.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Definitely ahead of Malone.
Yeah, ahead of Barkley, too, though defense should matter.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Dirk > Duncan
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
Winner.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree
But it’s close.
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
win shares
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
Not a huge Shaq fan.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Don't think a guy that hinders you in crunch time
because of his awful FT shooting is a top 10 player
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
4 rings / 2 teams
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
So I guess, in your opinion,
Robert Horry = best PF of all time since he has what, 5 or 6 rings.
by ILikeTheRangers on Dec 8, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
robert horry....from?
bama.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Truth
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
yes
that shot isn’t going anywhere.
They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin
by JimCrankshaft on Dec 8, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Dirk is a top 20 talent of all time.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Let's see how many KIAs he can dunk over next year!
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
Dirks one of the best to ever play the game
but he’s much older than Griffin.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
You're saying better than Dirk in 3 years as Dirk is then.
Not better than Dirk at his peak, per se.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
yes, and that whole team too. lot of potential on that clippers team.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Of course.
Again, Dirk is one of the all time greats. But history doesn’t mean anything to a guy choosing his next team.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I'm really baffled by this though
What are the odds one of them comes to Dallas with only an aging Dirk to play with? I just don’t think they’re going to get another big fish.
Chandler’s going to get overpaid, but I’d rather do that and try for a 2 year window to win another title. I really think it’s like a 5% chance an elite free agent comes.
this offseason's free agency is giving me tired head.
with the whole amnesty thing, the new CBA and the lux tax, the FAs we have, the haywood contract, the dirk contract.
i have no clue whats going on.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
JJ is a nice story.
He’s not someone you commit a lot of money to.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Plate spinner who did a lot of good work when it counted last year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Agree, but I don't think what he does is sustainable long-term.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
So.. reports are now that Tyson is going to NY
they’d be out on any 2012 FA’s if that’s the case. One less suitor.
That's a bit odd.
Doesn’t GS seem perfect for him? Then they trade Steph Curry+ for CP3?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like CP3 would extend with a team that got Chandler?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
like i said, not having tyson here dramatically impacts not only our on court performance next year
but our ability to attract elite FAs next year and the year after.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Here's the thing
you’re probably not going to repeat or win another title even with Tyson. You wouldn’t be able to make any moves and you’d have no PG with Kidd retiring. They’re in a bind but unless Tyson signs below market they have to play it this way.
Yeah.
Only a fool’s hope.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
i agree on that, our not resigning tyson has a bit more to do with the new CBA than anything.
but then saying it frees up room for these high profile FAs is just as foolish as hoping chandler would resign with us.
unless we get something short of a miracle, or get lucky in pursuading someone to come here, the next few years are going to be a bit rough
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
And there's the problem with the NBA.
If you’re LA, when it’s time to rebuild, you just use your hype machine to get the next great players to come to your team. If you’re Houston or Dallas or whoever, not so much.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
yea its gonna be tough but at least we got that title
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
agreed.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
This is how I feel, I am effing unhinged right now..
And seeing CJ WILSON FACE ON MLB TV RIGHT NOW IS PISSING ME OFF.
dont hate CJ
can’t blame him taking that contract
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
haha just checking
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I can
and I will.
They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin
by JimCrankshaft on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
CJ on MLB right now. Complaing about the heat.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
lol
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
He thought LeBron would be the difference?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
by Atticus F on Dec 8, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"Complaining" may have been a bit strong, but he sure as hell wasn't talking about how much he liked it.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Yeah but really, does anyone?
The Rangers front office hated that it was 100 every day Im sure, it was rightfully blamed for the attendance not being quite what it could have been.
I loved Ceej and defended him often, it's just not what I expected to hear 2mins into an interview.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
It was so hot this past summer,
that I don’t blame him. If the new norm is a month full of 105+ degree days, then the Rangers are going to have to do something.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
this is not good, for many reasons now.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Hey its Vernon Wells....
Isn’t he from Arlington, and Young’s BFF?
Texas Rangers- You hang 'em, we bang 'em!
x
aandro Anthony Andro
Technically Rangers never extended offer to Wilson. Talked parameters of deal.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
I imagine we told CJ what we were comfortable with and to come to us to give us a chance to beat any offer he received
So no we didn’t actually extend a formal offer but he knew what we were prepared to do if necessary and when the Angels and Marlins beat that and we were notified we bowed out still without formally extending a offer
better stated
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
At which point he said he wanted 5+ years
and the Rangers said no thanks.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Is it me or does he sound kind of bitter when talking about the Rangers not being serious?
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
He has every right to be.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Yep.
They didn’t offer him what Mark fucking Buerhle got.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Of course what Mark Buehrle got was stupid.
But still.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Still,
it seems that the Rangers viewed them equivalently and this boggles my fucking mind.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Someone must have hated CJ and his west coast style...
And really wanted a Michael Young type in the rotation.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Ugh.
fuck
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
do we know what the Rangers were offering Burly?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Probably 3/39 or so.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He absolutely does.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
He thinks he was a key piece in reaching two world series and that they would be more serious in bringing him about
sounds about right.
Well, technically he was only a key piece in reaching one world series.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
That's not true at all.
CJ was really good in the 2010 regular season. We don’t make the playoffs without him.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Hmm. If he wants to use that logic.
CJ was more like the key piece in us losing two world series. Colby “Hip Replacement” Lewis has won more World Series games than CJ.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
Absolutely. I agree with that sentiment.
One man does not a team make though. Just ask the Phillies (Cliff Lee), or the Red Sox (Adrian Gonzalez). Often the ones who think they are difference makers really are not (BGL).
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
BGL was easily the Rangers best pitcher in 2011.
Easily.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
And was easily one of the worst in the 2011 postseason.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
It's stupid to point out he had zero impact on the 2011 postseason and the way things went?
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
What matters more in this matter is how he will do going forward
and that has much more to do with the larger sample size of his 2011 regular season.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed in a pure statistical sense.
But regular season numbers alone probably doesn’t figure in to the decision not to re-sign CJ.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
Obviously.
Though I don’t think his post season performance is the only thing getting added here.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah. I don't either.
I don’t see how we replace 200 left handed innings next year. Hopefully the FO has the answer.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
The innings don't have to be left handed...
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
This is such a stupid sports point.
There IS no postseason last year without CJ.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Didn't realize he was a 10 WAR pitcher.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 8, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
The lead only ballooned to 10 over the last 10-15 games.
Before that it was a tight race. And things play out a LOT differently if you have to replace 200+ IPs and 200+ Ks in your rotation.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Scheduling fluke to some degree.
I really do think we were 10 games better.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Do you think if we replace CJ in the rotation with Feliz last year, that we would have made the playoffs?
Honest question.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Probably yes.
Not definitely because weird things can happen… but probably.
But it’s one thing to have our nearly 6 WAR pitcher become a 2 WAR or so pitcher potentially…
It’s another for him to go to the main rival with Albert Pujols.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Hopefully Holland and Harrison can make the next step
We don’t have to have Feliz replace Wilson per se. We need Holland and Harrison to get better.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 8, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Sure
any player would be. They want their team to come into negotiations with a great offer they have a hard time refusing right from the get go. If a team seems luke warm they’re disappointed and hurt, naturally.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Yep.
It’s a respect issue.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
And so the Rangers are percieved as the bad guys for making a business decision.
Pardon me, but that’s horse shit.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
If you want to assign a bad guy,
yes, it would the Rangers FO.
How often does an elite pitcher suggest that he would be willing to take a hometown discount to pitch for the Rangers?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
He took a hometown discount to pitch for the Angels..
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
He was willing to take a hometown discount to play for the Rangers, too.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
I'd say it's pretty apparent in his comments today.
Plus we have eclou’s comments.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Let's tap the brakes on eclou a bit after yesterday.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Was he wrong?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
He was premature but absolutely correct.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
He wasn't really right, either.
Except the team, which it was obvious before his comments that CJ was leaning to the Angels.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
In that case,
many onehere can claim to know CJ. Anyone who said he would sign with Angels must know CJ.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Sigh.
This is silly and you know it. We have much more evidence that eclou actually does know CJ than this one prediction.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Believe whatever you want.
But there is absolutely NOTHING that contradicts anything that eclou has ever claimed regarding CJ.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Or himself for that matter.
I’ve checked.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
he is a known "friend" of CJ
confirmed many times.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
I think CJ knew yesterday that he was signing with the Angels
It was just negotiating that final year.
Eclou probably had legit info and shouldn’t have posted it.
CJ knew we were out after dinner Tuesday night with his agent and the Rangers.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
"Pleasantly surprised"
.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
neg. ploy, I suppose
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Everything is.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Indeed.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Garber said they didn't make a decision until 5:30 AM.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Garber said they were pleasantly surprised with the Rangers offer too.
When CJ just told us it wasn’t even close.
Agents say shit all the time.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think if we matched the Angels' offer..
He would have taken their offer over ours, mainly to play for the hometown team.
We would have had to outbid them, which it’s obvious the Rangers didn’t want to get in to.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I don't want to assign a bad guy, that's the point.
People are though. And I’m pretty sure he took a discount to go to LAA if those MIA numbers are correct.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
some guy just called into norm saying that ron washington has been covering JDs ass the past few seasons
and is wondering why JD is getting a pass.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
Sigh.
Counterpoint: Some Houston guy just called in and asked if the hosts agreed that Ben Tate is the 4th or 5th best RB in the NFL.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
He's my 4th or 5th best running back on my FFT, that much is true.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Last winter, LAA had their lunch eaten by not ponying up for Beltre
This year it looks like they vowed not to let that happen. Plus, they actually have some decent financial flexibility the next couple years.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
If I was guessing, based upon CJ's interview,
I’d say the offers went something like this:
Miami 6/110
LAAAA 5/77.5
Rangers 4/60
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I'd be surprised if it was that high for the Rangers.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
theres no way he turned down a extra year and almost 3 mil per year more to go to LA
Im gonna guess MIA: 6/85, TEX: 4/50
agreed. he doesnt turn down 100mil+ and the extra year.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
You sure about that, Clark
ScottMCBSSports Scott Miller
Marlins offered Wilson $98-$99 million over 6 years. “If it was about the money, I’d be a Florida Marlin,” Wilson said.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
if he truly left
20 million on the table my mind = blown.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Yep.
CJ wanted to be an Angel. This should make folks here feel at least a little better.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Absolutely.
He put his time in, he performed well and now comes the reward.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
I don't think that's it.
He’s said all along it’s about more than the money to him. Many didn’t believe him, but this is in line with what he said.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
thats still not 100mil+ AND the extra year like i said.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Okay, this
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
C.J. did no decide until 530 am. Agent Bob Garber says he “easily” could have gotten 100M. #Marlins and Loria “would not let it go.” #MLB
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Jesus.
That’s a shitton of money to leave on the table, CJ. A true shitton.
I’m thinking our offer was 3/51 now.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
yeah
something like that
has any player in the history of ever actually left 20mm on the table?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
he still got the higher AAV
If those reports are correct the Marlins AAV was still higher than LA’s and a extra year
i dont think he left 20mm on the table though TLTQ
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
if thats true
im sure the baseball world is in shock right now
players union probably isn’t too happy either. Wilson only getting 1 mil more per year than Buehrle cant go over that well with them
oh man
if this is true the players union is going to be PISSED
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I think this factor is overrated
The players union does want players to take top offers. But they’re not going to kill a guy for doing what he wants. All players should want to have this option.
The players union is responsible for looking out for ALL players
Having one of the top players on the market take not only less money total, but less years and less AAV is not how its normally done
Yep.
ARod came out and said it played a large role in him signing with Texas in the first place.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
And the Union
nixed the Arod trade to Boston, If memory serves me right.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
xx
But they’re not going to kill a guy for doing what he wants
see: ARod to Boston
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Radio just reported MIA offer was 6 years 90 million.
If that’s true then CJ never intended to go anywhere but LA.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
x
@Ken_Rosenthal
Ken Rosenthal
High-ranking #Marlins official says team is not and will not be on Prince. Prince can’t drive Latin market like Pujols could have. #MLB
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Soo.. no Yankees, Redsox, Phillies, Angels, Miami (lol), etc....
come on… don’t have to go crazy to match Pujols but please try.
Annnnnnndddd...Over it. It never really bothered me to begin with, I assumed he would go there.
"I am tired because I danced al night"-Schultzy
i am as well over it
Rangers didn’t want CJ back bad enough so we shall move on.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I really like what my girlfriend had to say about it...The Taco Casa part is for me...
I never really liked him that much. I thought his performance in the world series was lackluster at best and just because he is "arguably the best free agent pitcher" doesn’t make him the best pitcher. The Rangers have a certain culture that I don’t think he wanted to be a part of. He wanted to be on the west coast, to be with friends and family. So tootles. Buh Buy. Bring me some Taco Casa.
"I am tired because I danced al night"-Schultzy
lol
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Terrible, and I like Taco Bell.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
yes its better than TB imho
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
While I agree with you
Moving on is a clear violation of the Angrydome principal.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Birthday party !
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Job fair?
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Is Ricciardi there?
Maybe Wells came to thank him for giving him that asinine contract.
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
If the Rangers plan was just Joe Nathan. I feel really really sick.
Panicked or not. Young core or not.
The offseason isn't over. It's December 8th.
Plenty of golf left to play. The Angels just dominated the front 9, but we can make up ground on the back 9.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
And then there's, you know, the actual season.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
This is the back 9.
The mega-moves while facing bankruptcy, the “look-the-other-way” attitude of the Commissioner’s office, the huge offseason between 2010-11….those were the front 9.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
What?
Did that make sense in your head before you typed it out?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
We need another direct front office quote on Fielder.
Smother my slight hope that they have reconsidered.
"That boy's had one too many fried cougar pies. Pass."
/Nolan
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
that's less true now
than before they changed GMs.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Yep.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
As did Verducci
Gammons said Angels
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 8, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
How fast will the Angels trade Trumbo now that Pulhols in there?
Trumbo has got to be attractive to teams. He is ML ready, cheap, kots of team control left and provides some really nice power at 1B.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Holy shit
mlbtraderumors MLB Trade Rumors
RT @BNightengale: The Miami #Marlins actually outbid the #Angels for Pujols,offering 10-year, $275 million deal, sources confirm.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
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"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Dear Gawd
275!?!
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 8, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
So the union will be pissed at 2 players?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
No love for the Marlins?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Mother of God.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Dammit!
Where’s the greed when its helpful?
I like pretty dark haired women and breakfast food. - Ron Swanson
by Axe Em Rangers on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
how the hell did the angels just get 2 of the premier FAs this offseason
when getting highly overbid for both of them.
when did the fucking angels become a destination team.
what the fucking fuck.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
They already were...
Southern Cali is always going to be a destination.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Why can't Miami suck less as a sports town?
Fuck!
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
there are other teams in southern cali,
and another team in a similar climate that is offering MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS more.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Miami is a fucking sweat lodge.
LAA climate is MUCH better.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
retractable roof, bro
and the dolphin statue. boom
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Too worried he would get the constant urge to go fishing?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
That is pretty amazing.
CJ is a hometown guy so you can see that. But Pujols? He should have wanted to go to MIA with the large Latin fan base they have. It must be the new uniforms.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
The Marlins were also backloading all their offers
And deferred cash was part of it too. I’d be the Pujols Marlins/Angels actual value offers were close. CJ definitely took less though.
by todmod on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
People LOVE SoCal.
CC Sabathia preferred it, but got moneywhipped by the Yankees.
Beltre would have signed with the Angels last year if they had offered the same contract.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yep... he lived with a few minutes of it.
Remember all the “Imagine if they didn’t trade Napoli for Wells and signed Beltre” brow wipings?
Now the suck has come.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yep.
I can’t believe it didn’t even stop them from signing Pujols. God that’s scary. They can throw away $20M a year and still go get big name guys.
The new CBA was basically made for them. FUCK
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Bernie Madoff Field at New Marlins Stadium
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 8, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
xx
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
xx
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
You'll always be Malcolm Reynolds to me,
Castle.
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Dec 8, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Tom Verducci also says the Rangers aren't done yet and they're still the favorites...
He thinks we’re going to do something big.
I'm tired of hearing this from Verducci and Gammons.
I used to like it… now it just depresses the fuck out of me.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'd rather hear it at a Rangers press conference
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
It'd be nice if there were some optimism from local sources.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Kicking the ball around and nothing more....would you trade Yorvit and Young to the Angels (who need a 3B) for Santana
and Conger if the Rangers threw in $ 8 million?
And then the Rangers sign Prince Fielder.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
No.
I’d rather extend Napoli; don’t have a lot of faith in Conger. Santana is gone in a year, I believe, and overrated. If that deal went down, the Rangers would be insane to throw in money. Insane.
Do not help the Angels. I’d do it for Mike Trout though. Mmm… Mike Trout.
You'd have a Napoli / Conger combo platter at catcher and Napoli can slide over to 1B
when Prince hits 325 lbs and has to DH.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Yorvit
can’t play 3rd.
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Yorvit can't catch very well.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
Please don't inject reality
into my attempted Face joke.
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Dec 8, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Oh right. Josey doesn't recognize that.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
No, I caught it.
Nothing is really funny right now…tell Thadwick.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'd take him as my back-up catcher
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
x
espn_durrett Richard Durrett
Wilson’s contract with LAA: Full no-trade first 2 years, then 8 teams he can no-trade each year after that.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Are the Rangers on the list of 8?
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
From CJ
I feel like I just want the fans to know that if things were a lot closer, it would have been a more difficult decision to go to Anaheim and I possibly might not have gone.
I’m not pleased.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No reason not to
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Well
He likely holds some bitterness (with good cause) for the Rangers front office not valuing him as much as other teams. That will slant his viewpoint too.
No clue who CJ would have picked with identical Rangers/Angels offers. But that wasn’t going to happen.
i cant really be all that mad at CJ.
i wouldnt be mad at all if he went to miami.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
That is a pile of cash.
How do you blame him?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
i hate it that its the angels. but i cant blame for taking bigger money, even if it is the angels.
he has earned it, he worked hard for it.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Agree.
Now would i be sad if he suddenly went San Francisco Barry Zito on LAA? Not really.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Can't blame him taking the deal. I just wish he'd shut up. Of course, I've always wished that.
I wonder how much his douchey antics are gonna get on my nerves now.
So giving real answers to questions = being a douche?
I always found it kind of cool that he didn’t give the same canned replies to questions.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
It's the arrogance of it that gets me. He goes beyond the question.
I too don’t like canned responses, but some of those postseason press conferences really annoyed me.
He should be arrogant.
He’s a bad ass pitcher who just signed a $ 77.5 million contract.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I always liked that he went "beyond the question."
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
We get it CJ
no go away
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I have a feeling the FO is going to throw him under the bus.
Don’t do it, JD….every other player is watching this.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Never really liked CJ anyway so nothing he says bothers me
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 8, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks a lot, Bin Nolan.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Dec 8, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I chuckled.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
I possibly might not have gone?
He’s taking the high road and not saying anything too extreme. Good for him.
But I don’t believe it.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I'm with you. He sees Pujols and the money they'll have to build their team.
I have a hard time believing he would’ve come back on a match offer.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Ugh.
fuck
Fuck
FUCK
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not mad at Wilson for taking the deal he wanted to go to were he wanted to go.
I’ll still sports hate his ass since it was the Angels.
I don't hate Jerry DiPoto.
Don’t think I can watch this press conference anymore, though.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Are the Rangers expecting Martin Perez to have any impact this season?
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
Probably more of a Plan C.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Possibly D.
I think the starting depth chart is:
Colby
Holland
Harrison
Ogando
Feliz
Feldman
Kirkman
Ramirez
Perez
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Eh,
I think Kirkman is in the same long man/spot starter role that Feldman is in. I think they’ll bring in some NRI to add a bit of depth before you get to NeRam and Perez. Also, I think Perez is probably above NeRam….though it wouldn’t surprise me if they put NeRam into the bullpen sooner.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
I think they will be more cautious about rushing Perez than Ramirez.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah.
Depends when they need that 7th or 8th guy. If it’s May…yeesh. If it’s August, though?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Best chance of Perez having any impact this season
is probably in the pen if things do not go horribly wrong.
I like what Match listed as depth chart for SP.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
The 2012 Angels are our generation's version of the 2011 Philadelphia Eagles.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Dec 8, 2011 12:08 PM CST reply actions
HEH
molt2222 Michael Olt
Just saw a man at Dunkin Donuts drive-thru talk into the trash can thinking it was the speaker. Poor guy just gave up. #nevergiveup
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
Wait a frigging minute, how much did Albert just leave his hometown for?
cause if it was just something like 20-30 million that is really shady. At what point, is enough enough? Im sure he was getting something like 200 mil from the cards?
All I know is that the fans in St Louis loved Pujols.
There are heavy hearts there today.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Rumor was Cards upped to 10 years/$220M.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
werent the cubs supposed to be big players in the pujols deal?
that was some of the big talk during the season about them dumping salaries and clearing room for him.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody knows what the hell the Cubs are doing right now.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
you want to poo poo $30-40M?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Thats why I asked how much it was and yeah its a lot of money...
But it’s still 200 plus milllion, this is not the difference between 30 million offer and a 60 mil offer. but 220 and 250-260??milliion, yeah I can see him staying in St. Louis.
similar, in a way, to TX not stepping up with a close enough offer for Wilson
Pujols feels a bit disrespected. We’re dealing with huge egos here. If a new team comes along and puts up a huge offer, for that much more, it looks great compared with your old team that tried to sort of lowball you both preseason and now.
It was plain that both the Rangers and Cardinals had prepared for life after Wilson and Pujols left, and were only willing to re-sign their players if the price wasn’t too high. No surprise that either went to LAA in that situation.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I'd rather live in So Cal and St. Louis.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Uhhh, from a Virginia Tech student on EDSBS
there is a shooter on our campus again
an officer has been killed; just saw an alert that another scene is transpiring at the Duck Pond
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
x
AP The Associated Press
BREAKING: Va. Tech: Police officer has been shot; potential 2nd victim reported at parking lot -ldh
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Oh good Lord.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
i eat because im unhappy, and im unhappy because i eat.
going to freebirds to gorge
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
CJ was on MLBN Radio
Said he was shocked that the Yankees weren’t involved. He said his first choice was the Dodgers, but they weren’t in a position to offer anyone. This sucks.
SSS and all that (38 IPs) but CJ's career ERA in Anaheim is 2.79
In 379 career IPs in Texas, CJ’s ERA was 3.89.
We couldn’t fucking match 5/75?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
From Evan
Rangers GM Jon Daniels admitted being surprised by Albert Pujols’ decision to sign with the Los Angeles Angels on Thursday, but indicated the Rangers won’t react to the Angels bold signings of Pujols and WIlson.
The Angels agreed to terms with both for a combined total of approximately $327 million.
“I don’t see this as a punch-counterpunch kind of thing,” Daniels said. “We’ve got parameters that we are working with. We’ve just got to find a way to win.”
Daniels said he was not surprised by Wilson’s decision. The Rangers never made a formal offer to Wilson, but discussed parameters that did not extend beyond four years. Wilson, who had been seeking six years and $100 million or more, was not willing to take that length of contract.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
They need to do something. Trade or signing...
Give the fans something.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think now the best course of action is just to be patient.
There has to be a plan in place of some sort. Lets hope the plan is not big money for Hamilton and Cruz. If we go to Spring Training with no other additions, that will be worrisome.
by motorcyclegreggo on Dec 8, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I just don't see it, man.
Maybe Yu. But even if you get Yu, you’re not going to be as good in 2012.
I think Snark stated what I was circling around: the Rangers must have financial limitations such that they need more $/WAR from their FA than the market is paying.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Ugh.
and even more $/WAR than this CJ Wilson deal.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think such a value exists in the FA market.
Fuck.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
That may well be the Rangers' take on it, too.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
by Snark on Dec 8, 2011 1:02 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Trade should be able to get them around the financial limitations.
I’m not saying blockbuster… but a move would generate some positive pub in a time when Rangers fans aren’t doing well.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah,
I think the Rangers are looking for pre-FA guys to fill up their roster and will use their prospects to do so. They’re somewhere in between the Rays and the Angels/Yankees.
I’m just formulating this idea.
We know they like athletic, ‘complete’ players. We know they don’t like long-term commitments. And, apparently, we know they can’t afford to spend like the Angels.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think we'll always be the Red Sox to their Yankees in payroll.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
This completely confuses the matter.
The Red Sox still have tons of money.
We may be the Blue Jays to their Red Sox.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Compared to the A's...
We do have a lot of money.
And at some point that TV contract will kick in. But I can see what you mean by confusing the issue.
My main point is… we’ll always have a lower budget than our chief rival.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Why?
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Moreno's net worth is $970 million.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
HOLY SHIT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OWNERS NET WORTH
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
That doesn't really matter.
Owners don’t drive payroll.
Revenue does… every team spends roughly the same percentage of their revenue [h/t Pras Francis].
LA is a massive market.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And Dallas isn't?
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Not compared to LA.
They’re probably twice the market Dallas is.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It's not a linear relationship as you move down the top five.
It’s:
1) New York
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2) LA
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3) Chicago
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4) San Fran / San Jose
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5) Dallas
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
7.) Boston
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yep.
But they have that nationwide appeal as the “Red Sox Nation”
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Then how about Philly?
Essentially the same as Dallas.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Nothing?
Have twice the payroll, and essentially the same number of people in the area.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Oh sorry... missed the question on the Z'ing.
For Philly… I don’t know. Phillies have a much longer history and probably a deeper fanbase.
I think the Rangers can improve… but they’ve been a bit of a joke for a long time in a town dominated by the Cowboys.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Now that they have the market's attention
they can’t just curl up and risk the PR hit and regression. Even if they play into the red, they will enhance the franchise’s value in the long run, and with the TV money coming in, any contracts could be backloaded to reduce the short term risk.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
They share that market with the team that's actually, you know, in L.A.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
And Dallas is a football town.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Every town is a football town.
L.A. is a basketball town, but when football returns, it too will be a football town.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Are you surprised that the LAA Angels have a higher revenue than the Rangers?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No. They sell more tickets than we do.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Because LA is LA.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And that did not seem to be the case 48 hours ago.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I don't understand where these financial limitations are coming from...is ownership not okay with running into the red until the TV deal kicks in?
Good to know how bad they want to win…
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
There are a lot of pitchers available next year.
Which means there will be a crazy trading season later this season.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Not really....
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I feel sick.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
"We've got parameters that we are working with"
Does that mean he was financially hamstrung on the ability to make an offer, or are his parameters philosophical about building a winning team?
I think they can afford CJ's contract
but felt like it would hamstring them from other moves they would rather make.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
This is where I point out Bob Simpson sold his company for $41 billion in 2010.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
His post season comments...
About the owners making a commitment out of their own pockets and asking the fans to support them don’t make much sense to me right now.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That is what kills me.
We had every indication that team salary was going to increase to a ~Top 10 level.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Well
The 10th highest payroll was $105 mil last year. The Rangers will be around that level.
Unfortunately, I hoped in their World Series contending years that the owners would be willing to go to around 4-6th in payroll. That’s when you should be spending your cash. A big market after back to back World Series? When’s a better time to spend? The ceiling just isn’t as high as I hoped.
Oh and the Angels became the Red Sox. That sucks too.
That doesn't mean he got $41B.
It also doesn’t mean he’s going to run the Rangers at a huge loss every year.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
His personal wealth really isn't relevant.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Yes, we seem to have spent up to our parameters last off-season.
Key word is seem.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
well thats that.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Oh I surely believe they didnt see the Albert signing coming but the last thing we need to do is react fast..
and regret it later. But right now cant help but to react to all this.
I am not even going to try and sift through this thread.
I’m sure it’s Angrydome in it’s most vitriolic state.
Damn you, CJ. DAMN YOU.
You probably should sift through then
Not much hate for C.J.
by The Best Micah on Dec 8, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
I’m sad that he’s gone, but I’m not that angry. I wish he’d have gone to Miami.
I guess he’s home. I guess the girls are better in Cali than SoFla.
Not really
Most people thought he “sucked” and was “worthless in the postseason” so they were glad to see him go. It felt like they were planning a parade to celebrate his departure last night. Got annoying.
by The Best Micah on Dec 8, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully it wasn't something along the lines of...
“Hey Dude, I’ve got a futon when you’re ready to come join me.”
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
Those two seem so different
But I can see where they might actually get along well. Dutch is kind of on the same path C.J. once was, pitching-wise, right?
by The Best Micah on Dec 8, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
FUCK THE ANGELS, FUCK THE ANGELS, FUCK THE ANGELS
one last thing… “FUCK THE ANGELS.”
"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)
by pinoyintegrity on Dec 8, 2011 12:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
HEY GUYS MORE GOOD NEWS
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Source close to Tyson Chandler talks just told ESPN.com: “It’s 98 percent sure that Tyson is going to wind up with the Knicks.”
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
yeah, I saw that already. fuck December 8, 2011
"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)
by pinoyintegrity on Dec 8, 2011 12:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
A day that will also live in infamy...
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Well at least its not to a Mavs rival.
Tyson seemed like a foregone conclusion.
Anyone inform me as to any possible targets the Mavs might actually get?
Miami / NY is going to be fun.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Miami will own NY
Battier is a nice aquisition and I think Amare and Carmello are overrated. Neither plays D and Amare is a walking injury.
by motorcyclegreggo on Dec 8, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Since you'll probably read this thread for kicks, C.J....
You were awesome as a Texas Ranger and I secretly wish you the best but I hope your team never wins and you go 0-30 in your lifetime against the Texas Rangers.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:12 PM CST reply actions
Same here.
I appreciate what you gave us Ceej. You were one of my favorites.
But I can’t hope you have any baseball success.
Feel free to do well racing. :)
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Sorry the front office sucks.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I said something similar to this in my blog post about him.
by The Best Micah on Dec 8, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks For Everything CJ !
Best of Luck!
And since you’re now going to make more than an average Texas schoolteacher would make in 1,900 years, please don’t let us hear you bitch or snark about one single fucking thing.
by Van Down By The River on Dec 8, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
x
SI_DadBoner Karl Heyman
knocked on boras’ door. wouldn’t let me in until i said the secret password: “boras rocks, heyman sucks.” so juvenile, you guys.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
x
@BNightengale: Cards actually had only the fourth-largest offer to Pujols, behind the Marlins, Angels and the mystery team.
that goddamned mystery team
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
At least we didn't build a statue in C.J.'s honor
St. Louis fans must be raging. I know they have a recent WS title to comfort them. But still…
I would be mad if I were them.
What more can a mid-market team do to keep a player? Win? Develop players on the cheap? Sign other guys to ‘protect’ you? Have your back and defend you when you make stupid plays?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
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