C.J. Wilson poll
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 AM CST
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The Angels just signed C.J. Wilson to a 5 year, $77.5 million deal. That means my prediction of 6 years, $105 million was off by 1 year and $2 million per year. Pretty big whiff on my part.
Anyway...we don't know what Texas offered, or what it would have cost for him to stay here. That said, here's a poll...
If the Rangers could have kept C.J. for 5 years, $77.5 million, should they have done so?
Cast your vote...
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How do you know they didn't?
and CJ just wanted to go back to SoCal?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
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Anyway…we don’t know what Texas offered, or what it would have cost for him to stay here.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
He said in a different interview that he didn't say that.
According to Jeff Wilson.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It is fucking retarded we let him walk for this contract.
Fucking retarded.
by FuturePants on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM CST reply actions 7 recs
all reports say texas wouldn't go 5yrs
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Doesn't mean we let him walk.
With that said, what did we expect, we were reluctant to go 5 on Cliff Lee. Can’t really blame them for not want to go 5 on CJ.
On Ben an Skin
CJ told them that the rangers never really made him an offer. They are going to have him on in a little bit. Should be interesting to hear what he says about that.
Yeah
I’m not blaming CJ one bit……. Even if he gave the Angels a tiny discount over us or something, I wouldn’t be upset with the guy. I’m upset with our fucking front office.
Yep.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Getting a free agent to sign is about more than just offering a contract.
The Rangers did very little in the way of recruiting him here and CJ’s comments today back it up. Less money, less wooing = little respect.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Why is it shameful?
They didn’t want to spend as much as CJ (and the Angels and Marlins) felt he was worth…should they have acted like they were interested and said “we’ll give you 5 years” when they didn’t have any intention on doing so? What if he said ok?
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Moreland
if healthy is not a black hole.
this reminds me of when the clock was going to hit all zeros in 2000, everyone was freaking out. DOOMSDAY! well, it turned out ok, and the clock kept ticking and the internet didn’t explode.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Moreland is not a first division starter, healthy or otherwise.
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by vfn on Dec 8, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
is this college football?
what did moreland do the first two months of last season? he was really freaking good. I’m not sure when the injury occured or started to bother him, but I do think he is at least an overbay type guy which is adequate, especially with the rest of our lineup.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
so you weren't specific to Moreland then?
you were talking about Chris Davis, Wilkerson, Smoak, and Arias?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yes.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yes, I had no problem with something aroud 5/80
The top FA starter on the market making a reasonable amount of money for the contract he signs? I would love that deal for the Rangers.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
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"Hope isn’t a very good strategy when you’re out there pitching and trying to get guys out." CJ Wilson 7/20/10
I forgot about that :(
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Absolutely.
We were thinking he would get 90-100M and he signed for 15 million less. Unbelievable.
Yes.
This is a bit vexing.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
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Got to admire cj wilson for taking less to go home. Of course $75M buys a lot of straight edges
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I think Wilson will be worth that much
over the next few seasons. I don’t see him being an ace, I don’t see him even being quite as good as 2011, but he doesn’t have to be to earn that money.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Sorry to CJ
but I really hope he isn’t anywhere close to worth that contract. Lets hope the CJ haters are right for a change.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Anyways, I'm surprisingly less pissed about this than I thought I'd be
Yesterday sucked when it was pretty clear that he would sign with the Angels, but the fact that the Angels just signed Pujols to an A-Rod contract makes me feel much better about things. The Angels have just tied up a bunch of money to a guy on the decline (who also hopefully is older than 32) and they still have Vernon Wells making 24+ million over the next 3 years.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Right.
That was supposed to happen with the GMJ contract.
That was supposed to happen with the Torii Hunter contract.
That was supposed to happen with Abreu.
That was supposed to happen with Vernon Wells.
That is supposed to happen with Pujols.
None of these contracts seem to be hampering them whatsoever, let’s face facts here, people.
Yeah this is what worries me the most
I was shocked when the Phillies were ok with running a $170 mil payroll. It looks like the Angels are joining them.
If the Rangers ownership is stuck on $115 mil as a ceiling, it’s just that much tougher to contend.
Those contracts didn't hamper them the last two seasons while the Rangers were busy embarassing them?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
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I don’t mean that the players played well. I mean that those contracts absolutely did not hamper the front office from spending more money. The common battlecry whenever one of those happened here was “This contract will hamstring them!”
They didn’t. At all.
Why didn't they sign Adrian Beltre like eveyrone said they were going to last season?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
They didn't want to go as high as us.
It’s painfully obvious that they have the money to have topped us for him last year.
They didn't want to go as high as us why?
Because they enjoyed second place or they thought Callaspo was a better player? They didn’t want to go as high as us because they had already committed $80 million to Wells. I’d call that hamstringing.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
You literally have zero basis for your conclusion.
In fact, the events of today support that you are wrong, and them not signing Beltre last year was absolutely not a function of money on the books whatsoever.
The events of today do not prove his position wrong.
Circumstances could easily have changed between then and now.
Which they have, according to all the reports about this new TV deal they have in place.
FP’s position is just as much based on observation as mine.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
That's what I was thinking about when I said that.
They may very well have been hampered by those contracts previously. Things have changed and now they don’t appear to be hampered at all.
I think
The owner changed his attitude, I guess seeing the Rangers win the division 2 years in a row gave him indigestion. I think there is now a power shift.
Noooo.
This is wrong.
They traded for Wells because Moreno wanted a splash move and the Rangers signed Beltre (and the Nats got Werth).
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Thanks, Ghetto.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
The were going on and on
about how the Angels payroll was topped out and how they weren’t going to do much this season.
Yep.
Sigh.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Then why didn't they?
They swung and missed at getting Crawford and Beltre and then panicked and traded for Wells, who was pretty clearly not as good as either of the other 2. So why didn’t they top our offer for Beltre last season if they had the money to do so?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
We clearly valued him more than they did.
Probably same reason we didn’t match their offer to CJ, but in reverse.
I don't think that's really the case for them last year
Considering how quickly they went after Wells.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
They acquired Vernon Wells last year
Which, while it was incredibly stupid, shows they are rarely, if ever, actually worried about spending money.
Well lets see if they have to trade anyone to make room for CJ and Pujols
The rumors before had the Angels looking to move Santana or someone else. If they have to move Santana for CJ, the CJ signing then becomes less of an impact move for them and more of a minor upgrade.
Also, the GMJ contract was terrible for them, as is the Wells one. Those 2 contracts forced 2 terrible players into their lineup and onto their field. There’s more to bad contracts than just preventing them from getting more overpaid players.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Again
I’m not commenting whether the players acquired played well. Just that the extra money didn’t affect that team and their ability to acquire free agents whatsoever.
I get us keeping an eye to the future and all that, but CJ at 5/$77.5 is a god damned bargain.
CJ is on a good deal
If he declines, its unlikely to really hurt the team unless he goes all John Lackey on them.
Pujols on the other hand isn’t, and its going to be a really, really bad deal towards the end if not sooner. Now they might still go and sign big FAs, but they are going to have a lot of dead money on the books and that dead money is going to end up playing on the field for them. Just like GMJ and Wells were forced onto the field mainly because there was nothing else they can do with those guys, the same thing will eventually happen with Pujols.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
It's only a bargain in relative terms.
If Wilson was such a bargain at that price, it’s hard to believe other teams that need top-line pitching — and it’s not hard to think of at least three — wouldn’t have made a bigger play for him. In fact, Wilson himself said he was surprised by this…
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I don't really see CJ as a bargain. It's more like he wasn't egregiously overpaid.
I think the Angels went a little high on him. They paid a little more than he will really be worth, probably by one year.
Still, I would not have griped if the Rangers had signed CJ at 5/85.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
5/$85M would've been a big overpay.
If I were more optimistic about where the Rangers’ payroll is going over the next 5 years, I might agree with you…
I’m more or less with AJM. I’m not surprised that the Rangers didn’t offer 5/$75M (especially once they knew the Angels were seriously in the mix) — but I’m disappointed that they seem to have felt they couldn’t, based on the financial and talent evaluations.
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I don't understand this.
Wouldn’t the fact that the Angels were seriously in the mix make it more likely that the Rangers would offer something like 5/75?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
CJ said the Rangers never made an offer on Ben and Skin.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
Or excepted him?
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Dec 8, 2011 2:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He did not say it on Ben and Skin
Ben said CJ told him that. CJ will be on later to hopefully explain.
Im scared about the Yu posting fee
Do we go near 60M?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Dec 8, 2011 11:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
no
Not if this money goes towards something(one) better.
So, what exactly is the timeline on “Angels keeping payroll at X million” to “Angels try to buy everything”?
My thoughts exactly
Yu and Fielder. Do it, JD.
HNNNNNNGGGGG
by JoseTres on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
so
how much $$ did he leave on the table from miami? another 10? mil?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
The $10 million wasn't worth the embarrassment of that thing in CF.
"Hope isn’t a very good strategy when you’re out there pitching and trying to get guys out." CJ Wilson 7/20/10
I'm telling you man,
there are a lot of people who watched CJ pitch in the playoffs this year and decided that he simply wasn’t good enough to give a big contract to.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I can only speak for myself
but that had absolutely nothing to do with my vote
by Alan Smithee on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
same here. I feel like
many folks who voted “No” might have done so for the douche or playoff performance reasons, but my “No” vote strictly has to do with years. It hurts to lose CJ esp at this AAV, but if the rangers evaluation is that 4 years is the max for him, I’m happy they didn’t cave and go against their own analysis.
Life is pain - we've got to scrape the joy from it every chance we get.
Tony Reagins could have done this.
Sosh finally gave the ok to trade Mathis, and these two signings are Arte Moreno.
"I've got a Harden!"
by ghostofPeterGardere on Dec 8, 2011 11:10 AM CST reply actions
I just don't have a problem with him going
The Rangers know better than anyone what CJ has to offer, and they obviously didn’t have a problem letting him walk. I think it’s safe to say that this front office is not “cheap”.
Only trolls and DMN commenters voting no
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM CST reply actions
I voted no
I have no problem with this if they make a run at Yu….
I will change it to yes if they make a crap bid or don’t bid on Yu
by Mantis Be Praised on Dec 8, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Why take such a risk on Yu plus the posting fee?
When CJ was so fucking cheap? That makes absolutely no sense.
I really really want Yu.
But I’ve thought all along that if the price was the same, you absolutely go C.J. Much more proven.
Yu will almost certainly cost significantly MORE than C.J.
Which makes Evan Grant’s comments that we probably won’t be that serious on Yu make more sense.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No it doesn't make any sense.
I’ve said it several times but Darvish already has four seasons in which he’s pitched 200 innings. To get him you have to pay huge money. Matzusaka was supposed to be good and look at him. No thanks. Let someone else take that risk.
To get someone like Garza, who isn’t nearly as good as Wilson, you have to give up a whole bunch of talent. Beuhrle is off the market.
I don’t know what the team is doing but I hope it has something up its sleeve.
by Black Francis on Dec 8, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
"Matsuzaka was supposed to be good and look at him"
Is such a terrible argument, man.
You are comparing one player in history to another player in history, solely based on the fact that they are both Japanese pitchers. That doesn’t seem silly to you?
It's not a terrible argument.
Matzusaka was legitimately good in Japan, but he isn’t worth what the Red Sox had to pay to get him.
Darvish has great numbers, but nobody knows how they will translate. It’s not like MLB history is littered with great Japanese pitchers. Not many have worked out.
by Black Francis on Dec 8, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Just because you don't have a good sample size
doesn’t mean you should make a conclusory comparison like that.
I agree it’s risky—I just don’t think Dice K is what demonstrates that.
Yu was better statistically, is better phsyically, and the scouting reports are better.
And a foot taller
"Hope isn’t a very good strategy when you’re out there pitching and trying to get guys out." CJ Wilson 7/20/10
Mickey Mantle had a drinking problem but was a hall of famer.
Should we use one player as a basis for forming opinions?
That’s the issue… Dice-K is a one person sample.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
just an illustration
There haven’t been many good Japanese pitchers come here so we don’t know what to expect when one does.
You want to pony up all that money for Darvish when he’s had the kind of workload he’s had? And some people say there are issues with his delivery, too. He’ll almost certainly cost more than Wilson and I think it’s unlikely he’ll be as good. There’s definitely a bigger injury risk.
by Black Francis on Dec 8, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
I knew I didn't drink enough growing up.
That’s why I didn’t make it any further. Man…
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
And Yu Darvish was much better than Matzusaka was in Japan.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
People have an idea how he'll translate
You can take his numbers, put them into a hitters aaa league and convert them to mlb. I can’t but smarter people can. Gaunlet thrown.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Dec 8, 2011 2:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not nearly as good as Wilson
I disagree. If you have more prospects than cash, you may choose to spend that way. Prospects are assets just like money.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
More prospects than cash?
What, exactly, is the exchange rate? It’s real easy to make a bad trade, and while it’s also easy to make a bad free agent signing, the contract Wilson got would have been good for the Rangers.
by Black Francis on Dec 8, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Of course it's easy to make a bad trade
just like it’s easy to poorly allocate your money. The Rangers, like very other team, have ways of valuing their prospects and trade targets, they’re not just holding their fingers up to the wind.
The contract Wilson got would have been ok for the Rangers in a vacuum, and it’s one I wish they had signed. But we don’t know the other factors, immediate, short and long term, that they considered in making this decision. I wish they had kept Wilson at that money, BUT, I cannot say that their decision wasn’t very carefully considered.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
No joke.
It’s like a riddle where the answer doesn’t make sense and has nothing to do with the subject.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I voted "no" also. I don't believe a match would have worked anyways.
I think the Rangers just assumed he was gone. If we don’t make any pitching moves (i.e. Yu), I will be disappointed though.
It might not be liked, but Feliz is that move.
"Hope isn’t a very good strategy when you’re out there pitching and trying to get guys out." CJ Wilson 7/20/10
It's dumb to characterize it like that....
Step back and look at this rationally. Match the contract? Yes….I would have done that but who knows if that gets it done?
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
We need Leon.
Arte Moreno: Bring me everyone.
Jerry Dipto: What do you mean “everyone”?
Arte Moreno: EVERYYYYYYYYYYYYONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by PhilKidIsHero on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
I like this.
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by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Loved Gary Oldman in that movie
Rec’d.
"I didn't want him getting ahead of himself," Mike Maddux told FOXSports.com. "I tell them, 'Keep it as simple as you can. The simpler the better; a genius on the mound is a simple mind.'" - Gm 4 2011 WS on Derek Holland. CJ Wilson. take note. Oh wait....
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"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
by JDT217 on Dec 8, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Awesome Movie
"Hope isn’t a very good strategy when you’re out there pitching and trying to get guys out." CJ Wilson 7/20/10
He was perfect for the role of LHO
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
what movie is this?
the professional?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
He means Lee Harvey Oswald.
JFK.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm not a weirdo
But natalie portman in that and beautiful girls were great. Why is everything bolded?
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Dec 8, 2011 2:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who is voting no?
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 11:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Let me see...
…if I can fix the bolding.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Something tells me that the Rangers know that Wilson isn't worth it
I trust JD and company to make the tough decisions.
by Perfect Zero on Dec 8, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think matching their offer would've made a difference once Pujols went there.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
That wasn't the question...
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I think they should not have matched.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I agree.
They made their decision not to bring CJ back when the offseason began. Stick with that decision.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
To clarify. At this point, it seems like would've been a "saving face" offer.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I agree and it is why I picked no also.
I also picked no because I believe we have a pretty good roto without him. Of course, I’m a optimist; the anti-LSJ if you will.
I sports hate you CJ.
CJ seems shocked that Texas didn't even try
wow. that’s kinda weird. Sounds more and more like JD and Co didn’t want him back…
think his playoff performance played a factor into JD's decision?
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by Baseball North on Dec 8, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
probably not
they probably just think he won’t be sustain his success
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
true, he has piled on shitload of innings the last two years
being a fitness nut can only take you so far in terms of pitching arms
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by Baseball North on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
I could understand this
Except that the president of the team was (a) a pitcher, (b) a fitness nut (for his time, anyway), and © a guy who lasted a lot farther past his mid-30s. I just think somebody up there didn’t want CJ back.
What does the president of the team (who was also a freak of nature)
have to do with CJ’s durability?
Nothing whatsoever
But Ryan’s attitude toward long-term contracts for pitchers over 30 has something to do with the offer that the Rangers made to CJ. Does Ryan consider himself a freak of nature (which I agree he was), or a guy who worked really hard to pitch into his 40s?
And he probably worked for a bunch of one-year contracts at that.
I would guess that he might go five years for a few top of the line starters, but probably wouldn’t consider CJ Wilson that type of pitcher. And in fact I would think CJ would be the third pitcher in the rotation for the Angels. That being said, I voted yes because I have not seen many successful starting pitchers for the Rangers at RBIA. Now that the Angels have Pujols and BGL, I wonder if the Rangers have to almost counter with Fielder.
I'd bet Ryan's well aware of how rare he was
in terms of durability and longevity. In fact, I’d bet he’s more aware than most. And I don’t think he’s so egotistical as to assume it was all due to hard work, Goody’s, and Advil.
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Doubt it
It looks like the Rangers didn’t want to commit that kind of money to CJ when they had a rotation full of options.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
And with more on the way.
Having Perez and Ramirez at AAA probably has some impact on this decision.
Them too
Its not like its a horrible decision to make to trust the options we have, but like many have said here, there’s a lot of variability with each of these guys’ potential performance. Having CJ would have been really nice, especially when Holland, Harrison, Feliz, and Ogando are still trying to establish themselves as good starters. But, I can’t hate the decision to not tie up a lot of money in CJ when those guys are good bets to be very good next year.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
current options are solid for sure, irregardless of any future FA additions
having Neil and Marteen peculating in AAA is also comforting
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by Baseball North on Dec 8, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
should have
not should of.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Someone leave a tag open?
Errthangs bold.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
New Poll: Which is worse?
The Angels signing the greatest hitter of our time for a monstrosity of a contract?
or
The Angels singing the Rangers’ best pitcher for a reasonable amount of years and money?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Pujols hurts. No way around it for 3-4 years
Not my money so wtf. CJ hurts more because it’s a reasonable deal and he’s OUR goofball.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Dec 8, 2011 2:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No. I hate the idea.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I am not...
I hate that idea so much and the though of a one game playoff after following 162 games for a weakened chance in the playoffs is brutal to me.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yep.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I don't see how CJ wouldn't go to LAAA with Pujols, even if the Rangers matched their offer.
Pujols changes everything.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
We really should get in on this...
Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
High-ranking #Marlins official says team is not and will not be on Prince. Prince can’t drive Latin market like Pujols could have. #MLB
I think fielder is going to go for a lot less than expected
I think he will be available at 7/150 and i would take that
by Mantis Be Praised on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Stupid.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
It's actually not.
Beltran would be a good move.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Beltran is a cancer in the clubhouse from what I've read.
And his injury issues in the last few years don’t bode well for him either.
Why are the offensively-starved Giants letting Beltran walk?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
They are completely broke apparently.
Cody Ross too.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Barry Zito.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Could be scary defensively...
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Hamilton is a capable CF
Cruz is above average.
The arms would hopefully make up a bit for the range.
I was talking about for the Marlins.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I think we were all talking about for the Rangers.
OP saying we should get in on Prince.
AJM saying, “Nah, get in on Beltran”
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Sorry.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
One year deal, $12-15 million
He’d be a great fit.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 8, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
No way he signs that.
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by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
I'm good with 2/20.
I’d go as high as 2/25.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Realistically, I'd go 2/35+ for him
It’s a short term deal, and he’s about the only FA talent left out there that fits our team (since we aren’t interest in Prince or Yu)
That being said, I think it’s clear we probably only have less than $10M of payroll flexibility, yet.
I’m starting to think possibly irrational thoughts like, I’d wish Cuban won the auction.
Where do the Rangers play him?
Signing him and sticking his balky knees in left and moving Hamilton to center does not seem like something this FO is going to do. And obviously DH is taken. He is just not a fit.
"When you play happy, good things will happen"-Elvis Andrus
I'm on board.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
So supposedly the Cubs and Rangers are still discussing Garza.
A) Do we really want him?
B) What would it take (package deal, obviously) to get him?
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by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM CST reply actions
No don't want
Can’t imagine the prospects being dealt would make sense. Plus I’m still of the opinion that Garza isn’t that much greater than our other options.
"I wish I could tell you that TRangers fought the good fight, and the 2 strangers let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but Beaumont is no fairy-tale world." - bking
Yes,
but probably not at that cost.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I'll miss CJ
But we have a good stable of young arms, and so I can see the justification for letting him go. I just hope we don’t pull some stupid knee-jerk move to keep up with LAAAA’s moves. Signing Fielder I can get behind, though.
so CJ left ~20mm on the table + another year from miami
wow….
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Fuck the fucking players union.
That’s a shit ton of money. So ridiculous.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
He's said all along that it was about more than money.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Not only 20 million
he signed a shorter deal for less AAV
At least last year with Cliff he got the higher AAV.
Players union cant be happy about this. Wonder what this will do to Hamels and Greinke’s prices next year?
I think that it assumes simply matching the contract would have kept him here.
The hometown discount went to LA…..it seems to me that it would have taken more for the Rangers to keep him. Would that have been 5/85? I don’t know but if that’s what it would have taken, I’m not sure I do it.
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 11:48 AM CST reply actions
I wonder how the Cali taxes factor in here, as well?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
lets not forget
then Rangers bats should know Wilson well. Wilson’s strike out pitch is a ball in the dirt. Don’t swing at crap, you can cause a lot of walks, raise pitch count, and pound him. I’m not worried about the Rangers former #3 or 4 starter.
by Ryan2907 on Dec 8, 2011 11:53 AM CST via mobile reply actions
That's silly.
CJ Wilson was out best pitcher last year, regardless of what metric you look at.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Becuase our lineup is known for being a patient group who waits for strikes from pitchers who walk a lot...
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Yep
Really hate the idea of Hamilton, Young, and co just flailing away at his stuff on the corners.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
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by vfn on Dec 8, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Young especially
Low and away. Low and away.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Dec 8, 2011 3:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Shit...a lefty pounding the outside corner on Young? Gapper to RF, maybe over the fence.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Madness?
THIS……………………..IS………………………………..ANGRYDOME!!!!!!!!
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by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 8, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think AJM trademarked that now
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Or maybe Idiotdome
Or CJhatersdome
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's pushing it for me.
I would have been okay with the Rangers matching, but I’m okay with them not. They should be way better than I am at assessing future talent. If they’re not, we have bigger issues.
I’m annoyed it’s the Angels, but oh well.
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by philkid3 on Dec 8, 2011 11:57 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Wow
Pujols received ten years and around $255MM from the Angels, but Bob Nightengale of USA Today says the Marlins offered ten years and $275MM. He says that with incentives and Florida’s lack of a state income tax, the deal could have been worth nearly $300MM.
Wilson signed a five-year, $77.5MM deal with the Halos, but agent Bob Garber told Ken Rosenthal Wilson could “easily” have gotten $100MM, and the Marlins “would not let it go.” Said Wilson: “If it was about the money, I’d be a Florida Marlin.”
xx
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
first one didnt show up right for me
assumed SBN ate it — sry
but i think it deserves to be here again — 10/300 is HUGE
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Wha....that's.....I'm......
I just…..wow…..
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I wish it would have been about the money
It makes me sad that one of our guys prefers the Angels.
by Robert L. Bishop on Dec 8, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
He probably preferred the Rangers actually
It looks like the Rangers just didn’t feel the same.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Hometownness
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Dodgers would have it, too,
if they weren’t such a cluster.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Yup. How much happier would we be if Wilson had signed this contract with the Dodgers?
Sigh.
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by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 8, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
We talked about that once on here, didn't we?
How Texas was a rumored site for a park a long time ago?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Yeah, it's a rumor that's been shot down a lot.
Pretty sure Yesterland has a comprehensive article on it.
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by philkid3 on Dec 8, 2011 1:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
*Seventh.
;)
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by philkid3 on Dec 8, 2011 1:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Where did Miami get this money, again?
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What exactly is the situation there?
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They didn't have to spend anything on the stadium
And they are going to take in massive cash flows on it.
It’s like if I paid for a Burger King for you, and then let you keep all its profits.
Heyman said they're doing a new TV contract.
Going from $50m a year to $150 in revenue.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
They apparently haven't even signed a deal yet!
Which only makes me angrier at our goddamn ownership group and front office.
If they are going to start receiving money this year or next
that makes it much easier to budget larger contracts starting this year.
So then why the fuck are the Rangers not spending their TV money?
Nobody is addressing this question.
I said the same thing,
but you have to admit that it’s a pretty narrow set of circumstances.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
It seems safer to me to assume that Moreno is just being overly aggressive.
More data points, at least.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
we don't have it yet
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Throwing money around isn't impressive
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Did the entire complexion of the division change in 10 minutes?
Seattle and Oakland still suck. The Rangers might not be clear favorites anymore, but I really don’t think you can say they’re worse than LAAAA.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
You inject an asshat's worth of offense into that team last year and they would have been much more competitive.
Pujols’ worst year comprised a measly 150 OPS+
Angels are still well behind offensively
The elite teams like Boston, New York, Texas and to a lesser degree Detroit.
But their rotation makes up for it.
I’d still put the Angels behind Boston and New York in total talent… but now ahead of us.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah I wasn't comparing offenses to offenses.
I was just saying with that rotation, some offensive production from their lineup could have made them win the West in 2011. I think we all agree tht Pujols will provide at least some offense.
yeah pujols might at least provide some fucking offense
maybe
by Colonel Travis on Dec 8, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
no apologies
I’m also in your dark place now
by Colonel Travis on Dec 8, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
I don't their current GM built that...
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think many will agree with you
That getting the best FA Pitcher and FA Hitter to sign with you for less is a bad move.
But that's more from their new TV Deal than any talent of the GM.
Let’s see how he does with the Santana situation.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck.
I forgot about that. How much are we spending on that?!
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
$77.5 million over 5 years.
And if not, then I’m sticking to my original thought that this is a gigantic fuckup by JD and Co.
We don't have it yet.
And apparently, our owner’s investment in gradually increasing salary to the level (we hope) it gets to in 2015 isn’t what we thought it was.
Or the playoff money.
Or the increased season ticket numbers. Or season ticket prices.
Or the increased merchandise.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
You're not listening: neither do the Angels.
Everyone keeps saying the Angels are spending TV money before they have it. If that’s true, where is our TV money going?
If the Angels aren’t spending TV money, then what money ARE they spending?
We don't know when their contract starts.
Also, Moreno has shown to be more willing to operate with lesser profits than most owners [outside of Detroit].
But if their contract started in 2013 or 2014…?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
We have 2 billionaires
Where is their pride? It’s sports, come on! The whole point of having billionaire-owners is so they can get sports-jealous of the follow rich guys trying to beat their team.
If they are merely going to operate the team within its revenue means, I could care less who owns the Rangers.
Eh.
When I looked at it with the limited info available, I found that most teams sit in the 42-48% of revenue spent on team salary category, which was down from the mid-aughts. Detroit was the only one that stuck in my mind of spending significantly more than average…something close to 60% IIRC.
I thought that the comments from the FO after the ALCS suggested that they would be pushing the percentage of (now increased) revenues spent on team salary up closer to 50%. Now I don’t know.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
In Detroit, their owner is known to run the team like a Public Trust, I've heard
But that’s what I’m saying. They should be aggressive in trying to take this team to a new level, and if they lose money, so be it.
They’ll make it back 2-fold when they sell the team.
Well,
the common line of thought is that most teams try to operate with small gains and then make their money at the end. That seems the safe assumption.
It sounded like the owners were going to ‘invest’ such that the Rangers would be operating at a ‘loss’ for a couple of years and then be even with the new TV money. But this seems to contradict that.
And who the fuck knows what happened to the TV Bonus money.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Scoreboard and a new CF lounge.
I’d rather spend money on players than a fucking CF lounge personally.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Oh fucking fuck
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
True.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think it's clear that neither team has additional TV money coming in today.
However, the Angels are counting on an deal that isn’t even finalized (going by common explanations on here), and the Rangers won’t spend money they are fully certain is going to be coming in.
It’s fucking bullshit, is what it is.
Yeah...all of a sudden I have no idea.
That is a really good point.
I mean, it’s possible that they are just being fiscally irresponsible? I’m not sure. Moreno seems to be less logical with his spending/directions than most owners…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
that honestly could very well be it. Moreno could just be crazy and mad.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe so.
But there is no possible way for anyone here to convince me that 5/$77.5 would have been fiscally irresponsible for the Texas Rangers to do.
Same.
Unless I see a super friendly contract extension of some sort for a player on the roster. But they don’t have the best track record there [Kinsler excluded].
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
I'll say CJ regresses to 5 wins next year
That’s a 4-5 win improvement from their #5.
I’ll say Ogando gives us 3 WAR out of the rotation, and 1.5 wins out of the bullpen, if CJ signs. That’s a 3.5-win improvement for us.
So, you’re telling me we could paid for a 7-8 win shift, (when we are admittedly looking for pitching, anyway) for only $16M, and we didn’t do it?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!
why
Yes yes yes yes.
As a friend of mine put it – in a few days, Joey Matches is probably going to have a very well reasoned post with tons of data about how going to a fifth year was a terrible deal for the Angels and I’m still going to be pissed as fuck about this.
Given his post from yesterday
I doubt it.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Or we're underestimating the Angels' revenue streams.
Or both.
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Devil's Advocate
They could argue:
We have a ridiculous number of cheap players performing at superstar levels, in their prime right now.
In 3 years, we won’t have that luxury, unless we can make some genius moves, again (like Napoli, Colby, Hamilton, Cruz, etc.)
If we start leveraging that future, when we aren’t guaranteed to have the superstars, we won’t be able to buy them in FA, and there’s a chance we’re left with a below average team.
In that case, they obviously don't believe in any prospects.
So fucking trade them for Greinke and Garza and whomeverthefuckelse you want because they don’t believe them to be worth half a shit.
You can have faith in your prospects
without putting all your eggs in the basket that says my prospects will succeed. If Profar, Olt, Perez, and NeRa all turn out as expected, AND we are able to have an off-season in 2014 like the Angels just had, things will be great.
I’m with you, I just think that’s the front offices attitude.
That being said, I still don’t see how signing CJ goes against that attitude that much.
If he got Pujols to come in for $50M less
and got him to leave STL the year after winning the WS for about the same contract they had offered…
Why choose the Angels then (for Pujols)?
The only thing I can think of is that he likes the DH position and sees himself having to move there later in his career.
Also, any word on incentives in Pujols’ contract? They’ve got to be giving him some milestone incentives.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Yeah....as bad a deal as this is going to be for LAAAAA
it would have actually been worse for the Marlins because they can’t put him at DH….
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 8, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
It's a complex issue for me.
I think he’s worth more than the contract he got. If I were the person deciding, the Rangers would have paid it and he’d still be here. Most of us who are smart would be happy.
But now that he’s signed a deal with the fucking Angels of all teams, that motherfucker can go straight to hell and I’m glad he’s gone.
I don't even care either way anymore...
I new the Rangers weren’t going to sign C.J. so the price doesn’t matter to me. I’m just annoyed that I don’t like C.J. Wilson anymore because of the uniform he decided to wear. And breaking up the band is hard to watch.
Also, as for the Angels, it’ll be fun to beat them so full of expectations and wasted money, now. God it’s going to annoy them.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:02 PM CST reply actions
Problem is
it won’t be a waste of money until after the Rangers have lost Hamilton, Kinsler and Cruz.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
All say one thing about the Angels...
at least they fucked the Cardinals.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Also...
yeah, yeah, yeah. You are probably expecting me to follow this up. I’m in complete delusion mode, GB, and I plan to stay here forever.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, but I will say...
probably the most annoyed I’ve been today was Grant’s report that the Rangers aren’t even going to be heavy in on Darvish. They really thought Joe Nathan and a stand-pat was the way to go this offseason?
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
I guess we can try to believe the ol'
Rangers would surely rather lie about a blind posting system, than let people know they are going to shell out the big bucks.
But, I was sure they were lying about Prince.
What does kind of suck is, even if they really are in on Darvish...
given that it seems like just the cost of doing business appears more where the budget is rather than one where the Rangers can improve the team, there’s still not even close to a guarantee that the Rangers make the winning bid.
Hell, maybe the Yankees just woke up today and realized someone is trying to outspend them and earmarked $60 mil for Darvish just to make sure everyone knows they still have the biggest baseball penis.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I've sort of thought the Yankees were going to step up on yu all along
it’s weird having the Yankees silent
Yep.
I still can’t for the life of me figure out why they wouldn’t. I mean, it wouldn’t even be luxury taxed, no?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
There's the added bonus of the drama surrounding the gamble they're making with Feliz.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That gamble is made easier
with Feldman to back him up.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Tired of hearing about their confidence in Mitch Moreland too...
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I see the argument that Nathan is buying you an All Star pitcher in Feliz.
But holy hell, that’s risky.
Moreover, they seem to be (overly) relying on their prospect depth to step up for a team that’s filled with inconsistent or injury-prone players.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I don't really want them to dole out bad contracts...
(and a pretty convincing argument could be made that this C.J. contract isn’t bad at all, so, what?) but, for how much longer are they going to have the prospect depth with the new CBA rules? That seemed to flatten such a fertile advantage for this Rangers franchise that I’m wonder why improving the big league club wasn’t more on the docket. (Who knows, maybe I’m foolish in thinking the Rangers aren’t going to do much more from here on.) Unless they plan to trade from their depth or just hope a lot of it pans out to extend the window. But, extending the window for second place each year sounds unseemly.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be happy if Feliz can go 140 IPs with a 4.00 ERA in 2012.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'm wondering if the Rangers aren't trying to maybe pull a Rays circa last offseason
Stay competitive this next season while sort of being in a transition year. They can keep all their financial flexibility while continuing to build the dynasty. If the young rotation guys continue to develop, then they’re in great position to contend for another WS next year and the years following.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Fucking this.
You transition after you lose Hamilton, Kinsler and Cruz, not before.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
And maybe Napoli.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I feel like LSB has kind of assumed the extension with him
Good chance he’s gone next year with our current spending habits, if we don’t extend him.
I suddenly worry that his place in the lineup
suggests the Rangers don’t value him as much as they should like they did with CJ.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
When they give Hamilton $100m...
I’m going to just sit in a dark room and start drinking.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah...
that’s going to be a rough night.
In 24 hours, we’ve lost confidence in our financial might, front office ability, and prospects for what should have been the crescendo 2012 year.
FUCK
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Totally fucked up huh?
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Our current spending habits
I think the Rangers felt confident enough in their current rotation or at least being able to trade for a good starter if the need arises that they didn’t want to make a long term commitment to any SP right now. I think if there is a catcher in the minors ready to reproduce Napoli’s production, then they would let him walk. Same with Kinsler. Hamilton and Cruz could be given the CJ treatment.
But the team as is, I think is still a good playoff contending team. They could still make it to another WS. And I also don’t think one offseason where the Rangers didn’t give out a big money contract means that they won’t be able to sign a major FA in the future.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I think they can playoffs too
Problem is top 3 guys in the rotation. Angels got the Rangers beat there unless something goes good. Holland with another step, Ogando pitching the same with another 30 innings and Neftali fulfilling every damn expectation plus more innings pitched.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Dec 8, 2011 3:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Is Holland taking another step out of the question given what we saw out of him as the season went on?
Or Ogando not fatiguing as badly in his second season as a starter? I think those are 2 strong possibilities happening to help the top of the rotation out. They won’t be favorites in matchups, but that’s where the defense and offense come in.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
What concerns me is that they've decided they won't lose any of the three,
and are prepared to pay exorbitant extensions to assure that…
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Maybe part of
the transition is to trade Hamilton and Cruz or just one of them during the season and then sign the other while rebuilding a little for the next run.
God dammit
We went to the World Series the past two seasons.
We are not going into rebuilding mode. We lost one fucking player.
Hopefully they have sound long-term plans.
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by philkid3 on Dec 8, 2011 1:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm ok with CJ signing elsewhere, but with the Angels,
and on the same day they sign Pujols? That makes me a little more anxious about 2012-13.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
We could have done a LOT for our chances of making the post-season
by signing CJ away from them.
I’m not sure there is better value out there, per-win, than CJ would have been.
What's funny though, with them signing Pujols, it sort of softens the C.J. blow for me...
because there’s an even stronger Angel hate in me than just because they have C.J. now. (Even though I think the Pujols contract is a terrible one.)
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
I hated Pujols to start with.
He seems like a wonderful person with his charitable shit and all, second best player we’ve seen, but I hate him. Couple that with a shitty contract and I’m cool.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Dec 8, 2011 3:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well...
at least CJ won’t have to worry about stinking it up in the playoffs anymore. He won’t be seeing them for a long time. :)
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by Steve Estep on Dec 8, 2011 12:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
But...now what?
Do we go after the Whirling Darvish?
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About that...
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
trade of some sort and hopefully Prince (even tho I've heard we're not in on him)
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Didn't Scott Servais leave the Rangers FO for the Angels last month?
If there truly were any problems we don’t know about with CJ, wouldn’t Servais chime in and say something?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
yes because typically that is how it works in business
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Servais probably knew how some people in the Rangers FO felt about CJ and
what it would take to get this done.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Servais was the director of player development
He might have known about things good and bad with CJ, but CJ also didn’t exactly fall under his area of work.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I think I voted "no" cause I want to act like the deal was 6/95.
Maybe in 2014 we will be laughing at these two signings (hopefully).
They currently have
Torii Hunter and Vernon Wells under contract for $43M. And they just signed the best pitcher and hitter of the FA class.
We need to stop acting like the Angels have a small payroll. They are in Red Sox/ Yankees land, now. (maybe not Yankees)
does it matter?
They’ve been flexing for the past several goddam years
by Colonel Travis on Dec 8, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
In the long run, I'd like to think it matters.
We are built with depth and longevity but apparently that doesn’t matter if one of our division rivals has unlimited funds.
What's the long run?
If they get a WS trophy or two it would be worth it. That’s all that matters, and I wouldn’t care if our team had gotten those two guys and spent all that money – if we got WS flags flying over the stadium. I wouldn’t care about flexibility one bit. You can worry about that in 5-10 years.
by Colonel Travis on Dec 8, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
So they got a combined 11 WAR player in these two.
You think that now they have solved their problems and are WS hopefuls?
They are much closer today than they were yesterday
Playoffs are a crap shoot, basically. Who the fuck thought the Cards would win it all?
by Colonel Travis on Dec 8, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
What are they going to be at right now? $170M
When your payroll is up there, you will have flexibility most years.
Next year they have Torii Hunter coming off the books.
Hunter and Abreu will be off soon. After '12?
Vernon is the only long term terrible contract that Im aware of.
Looks that way.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I don't think we'll ever be laughing about this C.J. deal...
I’m okay, frankly, with the Rangers not wanting to commit this money to C.J. (even though I liked his so much and wanted him to remain a Ranger) if they honestly don’t feel it is wise for the construction of the team. But, it’s a very decent contract and it sucks that it is the Angels who could afford it.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
I was always fine with letting CJ go
but only because I thought we were going to buy someone else.
If we aren’t going to spend any money this winter, I wish they would have hinted at that a little more. Instead of puffing that they were injecting capital and ready to increase payroll, and all that crap.
They are billionaires. Nobody is impressed that they decided to upgrade the ballpark to make more money.
Please don't.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
shut your whore mouth!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
i just threw up in my mouth a bit
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
What's kind of concerning is I'm beginning to think they're really wanting to lock up Hamilton...
I mean, they have some money, right? Where the hell is it going to go?
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Certainly not all-star 1B
Or future all-star pitchers
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Best case scenario
They counter with 6y/120m of Prince.
I can dream, can’t I.
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Don't Yu say that!!!!
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I just don't know what to do with myself
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
by jonas m. on Dec 8, 2011 12:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Landfill. 4:00 PM
Bring to gasoline, your CJ t-shirt and the matches…and you Match….and Matches
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Bring Match*
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
AJM's twitter feed is fantastic right now.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I can't see it at work.
Give me some pastings.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
arent you the I.T. manager?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
No... I'm the VP of Data Management.
I control the databases… not the internet.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So, you're using GhettoBear again.
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No.
Just clicked through on his feed from LSB.
http://twitter.com/Lonestarball
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Damned Sonic Wall
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
“Let me be clear: If you boo CJ Wilson when he comes back to Texas because he signed with the Angels, you’re an asshole.”
Why are people so dramatic about boo’ing? Not that big of a deal. Doesn’t mean you hate the guy and want him to die. Half the people who do it in Texas usually don’t even know whats going on and are just getting into the atmosphere of the game.
If we want to be all realistic about how signing with a team that offered him a much better contract is perfectly understandable, then we can be realistic that hes an athlete who was paid well for his services and the fans don’t actually owe him anything either.
I don't see the point in booing him if we had offered an equal contract. Hes from Cali.
But there are a lot of things in following sports that don’t make a lot of logical sense. Its just not a big deal either way, it doesn’t make you some bad person either.
I really don’t think the players care. I’ve seen far more players say they like it – you are doing something right if the opposing fans are booing you.
Obviously there are particular situations where its more or less appropriate… but all in all it just feels like part of the game to me.
I see the point of booing a member of the LAA Angels.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You're booing him because he plays for the bad guys.
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Dec 8, 2011 1:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I will boo him
But only becuase I boo every Angels player
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I also have no doubt that leading up to when he plays the Rangers (or sometime before)
he’ll provide some kind of fodder to make booing him easier. You know, besides the jersey he wears.
I'm just waiting for him to say something bad about Texas
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If I were a player...
I’d be so satisfied with being booed. God it would be awesome. That’s why I don’t boo. I don’t want to give them the satisfaction of knowing my level of mad.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
If we could coordinate a ballpark-wide absolute silence
next time CJ’s announced, that would be incredible.
Too many idiots and CJ haters
Those are pretty much the same thing (prior to this morning)
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yep, thats the kind of comment you see from players about it.
It means they know who you are, they care.
I think he actually cries.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I don't boo him for "abandoning us" or "betraying us"
I boo all Angels.
All of them. I don’t like Angels. If my little brother plays for them, I boo the fuck out of him.
Sports hate is what it is.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
This
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
First time I see C.J. pitch against the Rangers I'd stand up and applaud him for his efforts in Texas...
but then I’d light myself on fire.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Who cares if fans boo anyway?
Though like GOET said above, I’d refrain just because it would give the player satisfaction.
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Dec 8, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
and for the record
the only time I can actually recall booing a player is Carlos Lee when he let a ball get by him and just casually jogged to the corner after it. I’m not a booing maniac.
Hah
Umpires are booed every play for me.
I’m a big fan of booing opposing pitchers for pick-off attempts. (It’s my way of feeling like I’m helping our runners).
Other than that, my boos are primarily saved for A-Rod, Teixeira, or anyone else that asked off the Rangers.
I've booed the shit out of Jered Weaver and Torii Hunter.
I clapped for Vernon Wells last year though.
Jeff Mathis too.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I have a rule on booing for pickoff attempts.
It’s simple: Not on the first one, but if there are two in a row or three in an AB, I boo.
Also, a rule on booing balls and strikes. Unless you are in centerfield, behind the plate, or a strike was called on a ball too high or too low, DON’T BOO. I am so sick of sitting on the 1B side listening to strike/ball boo’s when you can’t see from there at all.
Yep.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I will boo any fucking player for the Angels that I fucking want to.
Fuck that team and their entire roster.
by FuturePants on Dec 8, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
We don't agree on much but we definitely agree on this.
Fuck all of them.
If the Rangers don’t do something to make their team better, the only games I go to will be when the Angels are here, and I’m only going to heckle and boo. I will take out all my anger about every stumped toe, bad relationship, bad business deal, allergies, republicans, and it will all be directed to the Angels. I may get so damn mad I catch fire.
by Black Francis on Dec 8, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Can I sit next to you then?
Because that will be convenient for me.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Why would it be convenient?
Of course you’re welcome to sit next to me.
by Black Francis on Dec 8, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Guess we'll have to start taking August and September seriously...
instead of having a month to prep our playoff roster. I’m not too worried, Rangers win the West for a third year in a row.
So the Rangers were 10 games better than LAA last year
Is it just me, or was LAA the luckiest team on the planet in 2011? They won all those close games at the end. What was their run differential? I’m pretty sure it was much, much worse than ours. Yes, they scare me, but I’m not sure that they’re better than us now.
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Hey, remember CJ vs. Prince in the All-Star game?
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah...
Now all those C.J. vs. Prince match-ups at Safeco will be interesting to watch.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
You sure you don't want to slip in a Rangers-lost-the-WS joke with this?
you sadistic ass hole (not really)
For real, GoET?
I was about post something along the lines of “when will the M’s announce their Fielder signing?”
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You missed the All Star Game I'm guessing.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Plus...
that Safeco slug suppressing power! (Which isn’t as big a deal for lefties, but whatever.)
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
New Updated Rangers Project Off-season (getting gloomier, but we can still get a lot better)
Sign Beltran
Trade for Thornton
Trade for Lowrie
Sign D.O.
I don't know if "panic" is the right word
…but with the Angels starting rotation and the addition of Albert Pujols, I don’t know what the Rangers can do to win their division next year. If it were just Pujols I wouldn’t be so sad, but with both of those guys plus the Rangers doing nothing, fuck. Second place team.
The Rangers can try to win 91-93 games (which this team should be capable of doing) and then battle the Angels and their still not very good offense...
But yeah, if the Rangers don’t do anything else, next season might be difficult. But imagine when the Rangers do win. Oh glory day.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Eh,
they can still win it. The Angels won’t be so far ahead that the Rangers couldn’t catch them.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Is there that big a difference b/w the Phillies roster, as contructed and the Angels?
Halladay and Lee are obviously better than Haren/Weaver, but still
Phillies had better hitters when healthy, off the top of my head.
Angels are probably better defensively, though, when Vernon Wells isn’t playing.
Still, the quality of the Phillies SP is still significantly better than the Angels.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
does weaver
reproduce his career year? does haren regress? does pujols stay healthy? still a lot of factors could play in. the angels are better over the next few years for sure, but you have to keep in mind they have been a pretty poorly run team during the moreno era. its telling that the only other team, it seems, that was in on committing the years and $ to pujols and wilson was the miami marlins…
I think Santana is a much bigger question mark than Weaver or Haren.
But they have our best pitcher now so it doesn’t really matter fuck our lives and fuck our front office.
Yep.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
I don't give a fuck who's fault it is - JD or Ryan or the ghost of Servais.
It’s the whole front office that fucked up on this.
This really feels like a Josh Lewin not Texan-y enough type thing.
It’s just too straight forward otherwise.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yep.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
I'm trying my best to not make up narratives like this
But if we really do extend Josh, it’s going to be hard not to.
santana
had a month long hot streak last year but aside from that was essentially the same pitcher he has always been, and the offseason isn’t over yet. so, we let cj walk, didn’t give pujols the third biggest contract in baseball history, and didn’t overpay bueherle, not really much of a surprise….
They won the division quite a bit under a good GM,
hired a bad GM and didn’t win the division, and have now hired a new seemingly competent GM.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Would you have called DiPoto competent a year ago?
All he’s done is sign the best hitter/pitcher available (thanks Arte) and traded one of the worst players in baseball. Any mong could’ve made those moves. I don’t think the Angels moves so far reveal anything about the competency of their FO. All they say is that Arte Moreno is still a fucking boss.
by LiamP on Dec 8, 2011 12:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's fair.
I don’t think you can call him an idiot either, though.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
rangers will get darvish
darvish wins al cy young award. rangers play role of 2001 mariners (except win the world series), angels play role of 2001 rangers. its all setting up to happen, goddamnit.
Then Moneyball happens in 2013
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's like Lebron for St. Louis
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nah...
because fuck St. Louis and he won there anyway.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yep.
Twice.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't say that I felt for them
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think we can all agree on one thing...
At least we’re not the Mariners.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:52 PM CST reply actions
I'd rather be the Mariners than the A's.
The A’s won’t compete in the west for a long time.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Agreed.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but they're the Mariners and we'd be them...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
That would suck
I’d have to sit around all day dreaming about that future roto.
Actually, it beats dreaming about one freaking strike.
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nor will the Astros.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
No pitching. No Prince. Moreland at first. This is like one of those Christmases where everybody around you is getting cool new shit and you get a toy you already had, in used wrapping paper.
"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili
"But you needed new socks."
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
clothes given to you by the relative that thinbks you’re still 8 yrs old and a chubster…
"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili
by Justin Biehle on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
I vote this for new LSB tagline.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
are you sure it shouldnt be:
Mitch Moreland is our first baseman.
"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili
by Justin Biehle on Dec 8, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Now because that would lead to mass hari kari
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
*hari-kiri
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
That will be weird
When Prince is our 1B
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's been a rough 24 hours for you.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I was joking last night
when I said we’d see a quote that says Rangers aren’t interested in Yu, either.
Then it happened. And I realized I should stop making jokes. This shit is real.
I second it
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My always thought it was funny to give me socks every year
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My mom*
I hve to stert cheking mu pists
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
With your mom giving you new ideas for how to use the toy
Suggesting a little duct tape on the wrist, and it’ll be good as its rookie year.
This takes bad usernames to a different level.
by LiamP on Dec 8, 2011 12:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
mine?
It started as a joke before I switched to my real name because of my job. Kept em both for the time being, so people know who is writing what on PoundingTheRock
"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili
by Justin Biehle on Dec 8, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
And not even a "retro cool" toy like an N64
We’re getting The Ungame.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
We got Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Or one of these
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
I caught a bass in that game once, Drums.
"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili
by Justin Biehle on Dec 8, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Such a fun game
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
I really can't believe the poll is this close.
Signing CJ at 5/75, particularly when it means keeping him away from your chief division rival, is a fucking no-brainer.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
DAT POST SEASON CHOKE JOB!!!!
People love to hate CJ…
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Totally called Michael Young a douchebag on the Internet, too...
I’m actually waiting for EG to rub the salt in.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I just do not understand why anyone thinks matching the Angels would've swayed CJ's opinion.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Well, that's the hypothetical framework. Of course we don't know what he would have ultimately decided if the Rangers had matched.
Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have matched.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
He might have used it to get a 6th year out of the Angels.
But, more obviously, “might” doesn’t mean much.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I'd bet you that if the Rangers offered the contract that he signed...
he would have signed with the Rangers.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Me, too.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I don't know I believe that.
He explicitly said the hometown thing is a big thing to him. Also, Pujols helps, but I he may have agreed in principle before he knew about Pujols.
You see the comments that have been posted that he's been making today?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
He said in his interview that he agreed this morning
After they told him last night that they were going to make another big splash.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I would love to take this bet.
How could we possibly resolve it?
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Just ask eclou
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
But make sure he has his reading glasses on for the texting.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I don't think he did misread the text.
I just think he said that to cover for CJ yelling at him for saying anything in public about it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I still think he read the text fine
I think he told him he was going to sign with the Angels, he just got pissed that eclou tried to get glory by releasing it.
I disagree, and I'm on record that I believed the Rangers should go as high as 5/85 for him, so.
you can’t argue back that I though 5 years was a bad idea.
I just think the appeal of the Rangers went to hell after (1) they were not openly aggressive, and (2) Pujols become an Angel.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Hahahahah
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I guess I didn't say (1) correctly.
I meant they needed to beat the Angels. They didn’t need to beat the Marlins, but they needed to beat the Angels, not match.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I think that is possible and perhaps likely
but not nearly as set in stone as you are implying.
We’ll never know.
This too, we weren't that interested but who says he even comes back here..
I’m starting to think he wouldn’t have been back regardless, unless we overpay perhaps.
Eh wth knwos but we clearly didnt give him the chance though..
I voted yes
But could definitely see why they voted no. Don’t we have Martin Perez and Neil Ramirez waiting for a shot in AAA? Feliz moving to the rotation? Holland, Colby, Harrison already there? Feldman as insurance. Sure CJ is the best of the lot, one of the better pitchers in the league, but now we can allocate 15 million elsewhere. I don’t feel like the rotation will be all that weak and it isn’t as if we don’t have the option to re-asses that at the deadline.
But where do you allocate it?
Also, you’re taking a very risky approach where the best case scenario likely leaves you with a balanced starting rotation that doesn’t have a guy to compete against the other playoff team’s #1 pitcher.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I am content with letting Holland battle the other teams #1
I’d love to acquire a Hamels/Greinke type but I think Holland can replace the production we got from CJ. I expect that Harrison and Colby will be pretty solid again this year and having the upside of Ogando/Feliz at 4/5 is pretty exciting. At this point, I would try to use the money we saved to extend some of our core guys and pitch a 4/95 deal to Fielder while making a competitive bid to Yu. We are still a contender with a pretty loaded farm system and some financial flexibility. It isn’t like the winter meetings are when the playoffs are decided.
...
What…what are you…
Fuck it.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I love Holland like a brother.
My favorite pitcher in the organization.
He’s not replacing CJ step-for-step.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Im okay with letting him go but tbh never thought it would be for THIS contract.
and to a division rival, So I said yes.
I wish we had one thread where everyone was talking together at the same time.
This multi-thread shit sucks.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I just picked the first thread I saw and went all crazy person in it...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
I was thinking about it while picking up lunch
And while I don’t know CJ personally, watching him this morning in that interview with the way he talked about the Rangers and reacted to the questions asked about them … I think there was anger there. Or resentment like I said earlier.
I think when the Rangers announced that they were going to move Neftali into the rotation it really pissed him off in the way of “You think you can replace me with a 23-year old who has never started a game?” He’s probably a pretty proud guy, most starting pitchers are, and that might have made things easier for him to cut ties with Texas because they had already cut ties with him.
Like I said, I don’t have any inside information on this, but there was definitely something there in that interview. I’m not saying the Rangers did anything wrong at all, that’s just what it seems like to me.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I don't see why moving Feliz to the starting rotation
precludes you from keeping CJ.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I'm sure you don't leave a team without some bitterness, right?
And I would also guess that “losing” his job to Feliz probably did bother him, yes.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
"23-year old who has never started a game?"
As opposed to a 29-year old who pretty much never started? Also, why is it assumed Felix would be a “replacement”? He was definitely bitter and running his mouth a little.
He said in another interview that the Rangers think they can replace him with Feliz in the rotation.
I wasn’t making that idea up.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I know, my question was as if BGL posted it himself.
There’s no way anyone can think that Feliz can replace our #1. If our FO actually thinks that, we’re in big trouble.
We're getting Felix!!!!
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Robbie Ross being our top prospect would be awesome
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
where was that interview you saw?
I think you probably read between the lines correctly. He is a proud guy. The commitment he made to become a starter again, the work he put into that was great. If I were him I’d also feel snubbed.
by Colonel Travis on Dec 8, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
He was on the set with the baseball tonight guys at about 10:00. Maybe 10:30.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
There was obvious resentment at the contract negotiations, too. I should have mentioned that.
So combine the two things and I don’t think CJ had much loyalty left for Texas.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Agree
I saw the interview he did that was on mlb.com, and he said “there was no comparison” between the Angels’ and Rangers’ offers, that if there had been it would have made his decision much tougher. Seems to me that the hometown pull in and of itself wasn’t as great as some think.
by Colonel Travis on Dec 8, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
That said...
if the Rangers had always been ready and able to go 5/$77.5, then things probably wouldn’t have gotten to the point of resentment. The resentment seems to stem from the fact that the Rangers pretty much said, “Welp, see ya.” from day one.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I agree.
If you assume both sides are made up of reasonable people, there has to be something that happened behind the scenes with CJ somewhere along the line that we just don’t know about.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I agree, but I don't see the point of the Rangers going 5/77.5.
CJ might not have resented them, but it seems unlikely a match would’ve kept him in Texas.
From the FO perspective, if a match doesn’t seem likely to keep him in Texas, what’s the point in offering it?
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
There are way too many assumptions here
that completely ignores the evidence that CJ was seemingly slighted long before the Angels signed Pujols.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
By slighted, you mean that it's obvious the Rangers were not willing to go 5/77.5 from the start?
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Yes.
Perhaps obvious is too strong, but…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
FELT slighted
The Rangers didn’t owe CJ Wilson a fucking penny.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I think if they really had wanted him and bid like the other teams, he'd have signed here for what the Angels got him for if all things had been equal...
It’s the fact that the Rangers didn’t want him, that, you know, makes him not be here now. haha
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
"all things equal"... Clarify whether this includes the Pujols signing.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I honestly don't think the Pujols signing plays into it much...
The Rangers didn’t want C.J. and then didn’t offer him a contract. He wwnt to the team that offered him a good contract in a situation that seemed good for him. If the Rangers had shown the same level of interest and really pushed, and then ultimately matched the same contract that C.J. signed, my feelings are that he would have stayed. They didn’t.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
My feelings lean more toward
if the contracts would have been equal, he would have chosen his home state for the surfing and babelicious babes.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
In the BBTN interview,
CJ said the Angels FO told him yesterday they were very committed to signing a big player. He said he was surprised as everyone about the Pujols signing this morning, so you may be right. The question is whether CJ agreed after he heard the signing (or even if he did, whether it mattered much).
Well sure...
justifying where you are signing is a big thing to do after you sign.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
I believe CJ's deal went through before Pujols's?
I haven’t read anything about him saying Albert was one of the things that pushed him over the edge. It sounded like the Rangers gave the biggest push.
by Colonel Travis on Dec 8, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Actually he said he had an inkling they were going that way..
They told him they were going to do something special or to that fact. But yeah its clear the FO indifference towards him might have put him over the edge.
Good point, we're reacting to the discount he give LA...
but that doesn’t change the fact that its clear the Rangers had no intention of matching or beating that offer.
Shut her down, GoET
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't vote
because I listened to George Carlin way too much during my formative years
"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili
It's your choice!!!
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Don't listen to TnT or BIMBF!
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wasn't sure if you understood what I was saying
Who brought you out, me or Neffy?
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
This is still fucking bullshit and the more I think about this the more pissed I am.
I’m getting back to work.
i swear
i have no idea why anyone would be upset with CJ Wilson for this. He gave his heart to Texas. Team wanted to go in a differect direction…it happens.
I'm pretty annoyed at the team, actually...
for not keeping C.J. at that contract.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
That plan is doing nothing.
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by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
It's f'n December
calm down
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Well if that's the case, no one knows this team like JD does.
If we trusted him before, we sure as hell can now.
"Krusty will come. Krusty will come."
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Dec 8, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That plan appears to be mostly about relying on their developmental process and using it for trades.
Their budget dictates their plans quite a bit.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Yes.
And this is how you end up trading Michael Main and Chris Ray for the Bengie Molina’s of the world. And Evan Reed and Omar Poveda for the Jorge Cantu’s of the world.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
And Erlin/Wieland for Mike Adams
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
Well, those were different circumstances. Or, maybe not.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I thought the general idea was trading developed(ing) prospects for ML roster help.
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
No, what I mean is that in 2010 we were giving up better prospects than the acquisition target should have demanded because we wanted salary relief as part of the deal
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Oh...I see.
I missed the part about the $$$
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
Nothing's Coming.
Except maybe a long-term extension for our crippled outfield.
just for a second
we gotta assume JD and Co. have 1000X more information than we do. Gotta see how this plays out…i’m not mad.
yet.
They shoot down any rumor of being interested in any player
And then we hear interest in Matt Garza and Andrew Bailey, both of which will be expensive and not really improve our team that much.
In all honesty, you have no clue what JD and company have going on.
Maybe some patience? Maybe some time? I mean Jesus, maybe the fact is they just didn’t want CJ Wilson. It really isn’t that far fetched. Maybe they know something we don’t (which appears to be the case hopefully).
I think it's clear that they didn't want CJ Wilson.
We’re questioning why.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Our FO is clearly capable of making mistakes.
When we have a large amount of evidence that a player is worth one thing and our FO disagrees, the burden becomes much greater to prove their stance.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Bigger mistake:
Having a player walk because you wouldn’t give the player what they’re worth or overpaying considerably for a player? I think if they are going to make a mistake, this is the lesser.
Agreed.
Overpay for someone they believe is going to regress or have some sort of long-term problem is not a viable solution IMO.
Seriously?
Now you’re just making up randoms hit.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
How?
I’m not trying to say it’s correct to let CJ walk to the Angels on what appears to be a good contract. I’m saying there is a reason behind it. I have faith it was for a plausible reason. What is so hard to understand about that?
Because there are many reasons that are equally or more likely
if you stop assuming that our front office is infallible.
Reasons like we don’t have as much money as we were lead to believe.
Reasons like there was a personality conflict that the Rangers placed too much emphasis on.
Reasons like they are too confident in their ability to produce 5+WAR pitchers.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
As far as money goes.
If we do not have the financial situation like we are led to believe, what can you do about that? Not something I can really be upset about considering our history. If it’s a financial problem then we will just have to accept it for what it is.
Be upset that we were misled
and question statements like those made previously moving forward.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
As for the latter
1. Eliminate pitch counts
2. Have Maddux lay his hands upon them
3. 5+ WAR
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Depends on your team.
For the Rangers right now (and last year with Beltre), I’d argue it’s better to overpay to some degree.
I don’t think there are many who think that CJ’s contract is an overpay.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I'd agree with that.
I’m just saying if they are prone to one or the other…
Although based on the information so far (not wanting to spend on any big names so far), I’m less comfortable with the idea of them overpaying.
I don't think they feel they have to prove anything.
If there is one thing I really don’t like about the FO it is the reticence about decision making.
there better be a nice plan
because giving up on CJ like they did looks kinda shitty.
by Colonel Travis on Dec 8, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
They didn't want CJ at 5/80 is what has been clarified.
The reasons why?
Well, any number….
(1) CJ is not the type of guy the Rangers (Nolan in particular) want to take a long-term risk on.
(2) He won’t live up to his $80M contract.
(3) They can spend $80M and get the same or better return even if he does live up to the contract.
Add more. There are plenty, but let’s not get conspiracy theory here. This looks more and more like a business decision. 5/80 was just outside of the budget, despite my hopes that it wouldn’t be.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
It's #1 and #3 that concern me.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Check your facebook, if you please.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
And I always thought the answer was:
We can use that money to improve our team elsewhere.
But we aren’t using that money…
It's beginning to look like they honestly believe Nathan+Feliz offsets CJ.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
What?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
You're right. The combination is probably less than what they wanted.
It’s more of a fallback than an exact replacement or improvement.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I'm not afraid to backtrack, if they change my mind.
All I hear about is we aren’t interested in anyone.
If our big move is Nathan, I’m going to be frustrated. We aren’t even trying for other players.
Are you certain?
Because that is a real possibility.
He might not be… but it really really could be.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
...
…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I do as well
I know Feliz is not CJ right now, but damn, Feliz has a higher upside than a #2. And, no I’m not saying next year
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Sure...
but what if the plan is just, “We don’t have the money you guys think we do?”
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Undersell and overdeliver
Billionaire-duo: “We want to take our payroll to new heights and inject a large amount of capital into our team.”
End of winter: “What? everyone’s salary went up, and we had to update the Ballpark… what did you think we were implying? We were just saying we weren’t going to fire sale our expensive players.”
I mean, christ
you guys are all overreacting
angrydome in full irrational crazy mode
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I don't feel that I'm overreacting.
I’m not that low about it all. CJ going to the Angels was always the worst case scenario for me (that they got him at a reasonable price sucks more). I’m not overly down on the team, but so far the comments from earlier in the year about putting more into the team simply haven’t matched the comments we’ve heard today and the actions we’ve seen this winter.
everybody is making this judgment in early december
should I go through a timeline of when the Rangers usually sign players etc. If I recall correctly, most of the splashes for the Rangers, happen after xmas. I don’t care when it happens, I want the team to improve, but I’m not going to bark about the Rangers doing nothing when they have made one move, and are likely to more this offseason. It is early still, and there are a lot of players out there whether FA, Jap import, or trade options. Who knows what is on the table.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Except supposedly they don't have any interest in Fielder or Yu.
That’s the biggest FA left and the Japan import. Trade options are always a possibility but if you’re going to say the things the ownership said previously, you better back it up. Right now it’s incredibly uncertain. Sure they could be ninja mind-fucking us, but I don’t see how it’s irrational to be a little worried at this point.
supposedly?
the FO rarely lets its plans be known before they happen. have a little faith. our FO is one of the smartest in the biz. I’m not worried at all right now. Why should I be? You have to let the offseason play out.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
EG isn't a bad beat writer.
He does provide information about the Rangers.
You may disagree with his opinions… but he has insider access that we do not.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
since when has EG had the news before anyone else?
has he broken any story. He is a mouthpiece for them
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
If he's a mouthpiece...
And he’s saying they might not have the money to go in for Yu and that it will be spent on extending current players…
Shouldn’t you listen?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
This is what I'm trying to tell myself
and not really succeeding.
[I’d love to look back and laugh at this thread when spring training opens and we have Yu, Fielder, and Greinke (for Hamilton)…]
It’s just that – CJ was OUR player and he signed a reasonable contract elsewhere. Why the hell didn’t we try and resign him?
by VM on Dec 8, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
You don't make those statements
and then not sign or even pursue a single player. It’s not over, I’m just preparing you for my rage if we don’t increase payroll from where we are at this moment.
Yep.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Well, JD and Co. haven't really liked CJ from the beginning
Still don’t understand why JD was adamant about not giving him a shot in the rotation.
Yeah... given his arsenal that never really made sense.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That's part of the reason why I think something else was in play here...it was personal.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Stop
You have nothing to base this opinion on. CJ took a lesser offer to go home. Are you seriously saying JD is trying to construct an inferior team out of spite? How about Nolan’s blame? He’s a co-signatory on all the payroll checks. I would guess he has a shit load of input on salary distribution.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Dec 8, 2011 3:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
JD's baby, Wyo.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I haven't been so down on Ninja since '05.
He’s about to do something and awesome
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm not annoyed with the FO
Because even though CJ took 5/77 to sign with LAA, we don’t know how much it would’ve taken Texas to get a deal done. It may have taken $100 million. It may have taken $80 million. We’ll probably never know though, so I’m not mad.
is schultzy in here? stop getting in a pissing match with idiots on my facebook wall
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:14 PM CST reply actions
Instead of that
Like Tanner Scheppers
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Is he cock-blocking them?
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Deal with it
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
No thanks
JeffPassan: Just got a text from an agent: “Now I believe Boras will get Fielder $200M.” Couldn’t agree more. The market has been reset. [via Twitter]
FROM WHO?!?!?!?!?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Probably Seattle.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
The Angels are challenging the Yankees for my least favorite team.
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Can't stand either team
I hate them both way more than the third place team (OU).
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I certainly hate the Yankees more
My new reason is they fucked up the new CBA. Only they, Red Sox and apparently now LAAA can succeed under it.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Dec 8, 2011 3:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Challenging?
I celebrated when the Yankees won the 2009 ALCS.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
I hate them a lot
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree, too.
I think there aren’t that many teams that were willing to shell out.
But now that 5 of the top players have only gone to 2 teams…. you still have all the teams that wanted to sign at least 1 player, and not enough players to go around.
The Free agents are going to be spread out, and everyone’s going to be too expensive.
CJ Wilson is going to look like the best contract of the off-season. Guaranteed.
We need the 8/200 for Fielder poll I suggested a few weeks ago.
Because I’m on board with that.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Oh, I know.
But let’s get enthusiastic about the possibility first so that the inevitable outcome is that much more devastating.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
crist
Have you lost your damn mind? You think he’s going to be a 5 WAR player for EIGHT years!?!?!
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Of course not. You're always going to overpay.
And who knows what the $/WAR is in 2014?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
The general assumption
is that you assume the $/WAR from the year the contract was signed for the life of the contract because the inflation in $/WAR is countered by the risk the team is taking on by giving out a long term guaranteed deal.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I don't like that assumption
Give me new assumptions. And be quick about it.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Ok.
The long term risk associated with an 8 year deal for a player of his…stature…is likely to be greater than the inflation in $/WAR over the same time frame.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Yes, but I assume Jamie and Nolan will give Prince one of these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6uNTpYtacw
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
That's fucking insane
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
What I do now is run to Napoli with a 5/70.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That he will sign?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'll get back to you in late January.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
typical, no info
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
So you can give a prediction for Napoli what it would take to sign him right now but not Josh?
How much more can the landscape change with Pujols off the grid?
Wanna see what Prince gets.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
We disagree
Pujols is in his own stratosphere.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
this progression of this subthread
doesn’t make sense
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
never makes sense
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
never does make sense
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
And it's probably the 6th time the exact same subtread has occured.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Top payrolls
Yankees
Red Sox
Angels
White Sox
Cubs
Mets
Giants
Twins
Tigers
Cardinals
Dodgers
Rangers who supopsedly don’t care anyway.
Marlins supposedly arn’t interested with their new money.
Its possible, but I doubt it. Boras can say hes worth 200 mil, doesn’t mean the Brewers are going to cough it up. Maybe the cubs but they’d have to have someone to create a bidding war.
Cardinals aren't doing it.
They already said they were in on Pujols but not Fielder.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
And Allen Craig.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
He just had surgery
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
And two WS titles in 6 years.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Lets keep going
Rockies – Helton isn’t going to last forever, but no indications they are in.
Braves – Freeman could be traded, but they like him and no indications they have the money or are interested.
Mariners – They may be in on him, but I doubt they are interested in bringing it to 200 mil.
Brewers – Im sure they will try to come back in if the market doesn’t develop, but they are not going to 200 mil.
Orioles – I’ll believe it when I see it.
Reds – MVP.
Astros -Lol
A’s – No way
Nationals – Not completely impossible, but Morse did a good job and t here has been no word they are interested.
Bluejays – In the bidding, but no reason to think they will push 200 mil.
Marlins – supposedly not interested. If they actually are, perhaps they could.
Not even worth looking at the final payroll dregs.
So what do we have. The Cubs who have a need and money (supposedly), the Mariners who likely are only interested at the lower end of payroll expectations, and a bunch of teams that havn’t shown interest or are unlikely to go too high in their bid.
If the Rangers change their mind, a bidding war between them and the Cubs seems like the most likely scenario that would get him a lot of money… and it just doesn’t seem the Rangers are going to do it.
I’d be shocked if he gets 200 mil.
God I'd want Morse if they signed Fielder.
I think you’re underrating the Blue Jays.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Blue Jays have been very very specific they don't want to go beyond 5 years.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The Angels are going to approach $180M payroll
that’s insane
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
At least it'll be fun when Trout busts...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Trout's going to go full Freddie Lynn next year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He good, ghost.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Yeah, but I'm kidding about the Freddie Lynn thing.
He is good but he might struggle. He’s also VERY young.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He is good...
BUT HE WILL BUST DAMN YOU
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like his swing.
And that’s being honest.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Best case scenario
This is a 1-2 year infusion, and they are planning to lower the payroll again when Hunter and Abreu leave.
I’m doubtful, but that would make me feel a lot better about the idea that these contracts could really hurt them.
If they maintain this payroll...
Then they basically just unzipped and laid their 10 inch schlong on the table and winked at the Rangers.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Hm.
And what is the appropriate response from the Rangers standpoint in this scenario?
by VM on Dec 8, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
That was years ago.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah I forgot about them at the end.
Still, I’d be very shocked if they went 200 mil. But since I doubt anyone will they could get him.
Marlins wanted Pujols for the Latin connection.
Fielder doesn’t have the same draw to them.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Seattle
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I kinda think that most people aren't pissed off about losing CJ to the Angels
But the CJ-Pujols combo scares them and it makes the one thing we could control in that scenario (re-signing CJ) that much worse.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
We're pissed that the Angels signed CJ for a reasonable contract that we should have been able to match.
And are now using this new information to question many of our assumptions that were based on little or sketchy data.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I think the worst assumption of all is that had we matched he would have stayed.
It would have taken more than just saying today “we’ll match it.” Today was the culmination of an entire course of dealing with CJ that obviously wasn’t positive.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
That's fair.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
What if Nolan promised to spoon him on a week-long hunting trip too?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Definitely would have changed things.
For the better.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Well said.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Indeed.
Had CJ signed for 6/$100m with the Marlins…
We’d be raising eyebrows at the Pujols signing and thinking “Wowee”.
But not quite set our selves on fire in the town square.
Now… I have no idea what the outlook of the front office is if a pitcher like C.J. Wilson isn’t worth 5/$77.5.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And if the FO is fine,
then what does it say about our resources?
Something is amiss.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Didn't JD have a quote a while back about this.
“We know certain players have no interest in being here long term”
Paraphrasing, of course.
Defending Big D Check it out
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
Someone reported that from Newberg Night this year
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
They just didnt want him? Only thing that comes to mind..
I don’t know that the Rangers not matching this contract or beating it says anything about our resources. I think it seems from the get go that they had a price in mind and weren’t going over it.
SOME PEOPLE SAW IT COMING DAWG
WHERE MY BOY GAROON AT.
by LiamP on Dec 8, 2011 1:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Duck will be incorrigible after this.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
DOING MY BEST NOT TO SCOREBOARD AND SAY "I TOLD YOU THESE DUDES WOULD GO CHEAP WITH IT."
by LiamP on Dec 8, 2011 1:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You could have cleaned up if you bet with me.
It’s never good when you’re right.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
HARD TO JINX PAYROLL BRUH
SIMPSON’S COMMENTS TOLD YOU ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW.
by LiamP on Dec 8, 2011 1:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Interviews he's given.
I’m on a cellphone so fuck if I’m going to bother looking them up, but he essentially threw out an upper range of 140mm in 2015 when the TV deal hits. He was pretty noncommittal about the payroll leading up to that year though, just saying they would put money in when prudent. Sounded like they were already kicking in quite a bit just to be where they are now.
by LiamP on Dec 8, 2011 1:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't get it.
Rangers drew three million fans last year. Went seven games in the World Series and got a bunch of playoff money. A big, new TV deal has been signed. Owned by billionaires.
How is money an issue?
by Black Francis on Dec 8, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
I mean, I guess it’s relevant in that a billionaire may be more willing to take a loss, if only temporarily, then a hundredmillionaire, but that’s probably an iffy correlation at best.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Well if I were a billionaire
…I don’t think I’d buy a baseball team if I weren’t going to spend out of pocket to keep them competitive. That’s just me, though. The real money isn’t made from year-to-year. It’s made when you flip the team. Clubs are all but guaranteed to appreciate. So unless you just go crazy with payroll it’s not like you’re going to lose your shirt.
by Black Francis on Dec 8, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, just depends on the guy.
Some want to make a profit while they own it, some want to wait. It’s hard for me to be too critical when they’re forking over hundreds of millions of dollars that they could be earning millions in interest on.
I mean, it’s not like they’re Jeff Luria-ing it up in here.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
No they're not terrible
But let me be pissed off and negative today. Please?
by Black Francis on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think if I was in that situation
I’d be more likely to pay for improvements to the stadium and other properties out of pocket more than salary.
You don't think that a large number of teams set a budget based on the team's revenue?
There is a reason these people are rich. It’s likely not due to handing out millions of dollars every year just because.
I am clouded with rage and depression over all of this
I don’t feel like talking business right now, okay?
by Black Francis on Dec 8, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
because even with all that
their revenues aren’t as large as those of several other teams.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
your caps lock is on
yelling in your keyboard does not work
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I accepted losing CJ a while back.
Don’t like that he went to the Angels, but it isn’t driving me crazy like most on here. I do wish that there were other teams (besides the Marlins) that would have run up the price on him though. It wasn’t going to be the Rangers, that’s apparent.
This, I said it earlier this is more about the combo then only CJ..
Most of us saw the CJ signing coming and understood, perhaps we didnt know it would be for this contract but I didnt see them going over Weaver anyhow.
But Albert changes things and have folks reacting even more to letting CJ go.
I'm ready for some basketball.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm not a big basketball fan, either
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
database manager? you have the office pussy market cornered
if you were an organization in free agency you would be the LAA. all the good ones.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
I don't care.
I like basketball.
Plus, I’m going to watch them raise the banner and give Dirk his ring.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
We still have 2011....that's why it was so important to win last year.
I also trust the Mavs FO…they need to get younger or they could fall off a cliff very quickly.
We may take a step backwards this year but it’s necessary given the age of the roster.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I voted no
But I can see the argument for yes. I’m confident in our rotation for next season. If we need help there will be a lot available at the deadline. Over the next 5 years the team will have to spend a lot of money locking up players like Elvis, Ian, Dutch, Hamilton, Napoli, Feliz, Ogando, etc. If they aren’t completely sold on CJ, which clearly they weren’t, then I agree with not spending the money. I think this front office has earned some trust from us.
Hmmm...
Millar consistently wrong. Then he says something you agree with. More likely: that his track record has drastically changed? Or that it hasn’t?
Josey fits in for a change
The one thing that I’ve smile at while reading the post-CJ / Pujols thread is this: for once, Josey is not alone in his anger at the front office. It must be a strange feeling for him. Wait, wait, you guys are agreeing with me….?
This is his best-case scenario.
Don’t let him lie to you.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I'm letting it play out but everything about how they handled CJ was a fuck-up.
Right there with losing Danks or trading AG for 5 bags of shit as one of his greatest hits.
But….I’m letting the off-season play out before rendering judgment.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Disagreed
Letting CJ walk doesn’t compare to AG trade.
Also – you don’t hold Nolan at all accountable here, eh?
by VM on Dec 8, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
A good pointless, idiotic LSB-wide conversation
randomly speculating which Front Office exec does what would go a long way to calming my current rage
Yes, comfort in the familiar, eh?
That’s the holiday spirit..
by VM on Dec 8, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
What are you Canadian
Eh?
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's slightly annoying, eh?
G’day mate!
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Only because you're asking...no, I don't.
Nolan Ryan turned This Thing over to JD after 2009. JD is the GM of the team. If he can accept “Executive of the Year” Awards, he can accept blame for this. We’re talking about a contract that was …ahem…less than the contract that Beltre signed.
But with this…JD’s all the way. He’s a big boy now.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
So you blame Nolan for this?
It’s really tough to perceive JD’s no longer sitting in Nolan Ryan’s lap when you won’t blame him when the shit hits the fan.
Ryan turned this over to JD after 2009 and he’s done a good to very good job but JD fucked up badly with CJ.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I think Nolan was a part of the PS Koufax acquisition and negotiations
last off-season. I put a lot of blame on Nolan for us not getting him signed…not all blame but a lot of blame.
CJ just signed a deal that is less than the deal Beltre signed and Beltre was JD’s Baby all the way.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
are you knocking the Beltre signing?
that doesn’t make sense. these are two different cases, and Beltre has been amazing for us. what is your deal?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
This has been ongoing for nearly exactly a year...
(and it’s because he displaced Michael Young)
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Michael Young put up an MVP caliber year, ghost.
I wasn’t sure how it was going to work with Napoli, Moreland et al between DH / 1B but Young thrived last year. Young had a bad defensive year in 2010 and probably needed to be moved.
My probs with Beltre were how it would affect CJ & Josh and how somebody with such a pathetic OBP was going to age.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
And he was awesome...
look at that.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
But the signing apparently contributed to us not signing CJ.
Very curious to see how we replace somebody like CJ.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That is in no way definitively proven
unless you’re of the belief that Nolan and the ownership group don’t know how to budget.
It's not proven until we see the Rangers payroll next year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
No, I keep saying I'm reserving judgment.
This was a bad fuck-up, all the way around.
Now it needs to be fixed.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I very carefully said "apparently"
We’ll see how JD fixes this.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I honestly don't think the front office thought, "Well, we could sign C.J. or get Beltre"...
and it’s obvious that they thought Beltre was worth it and C.J. wasn’t for whatever that’s worth.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
One of my biggest worries about the Beltre signing....and
I said it multiple times…was how it would affect both CJ & Josh’s futures with the club.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
x
I said it multiple times
oh, we know. Oh boy, do we know.
It had nothing to do with Young being displaced.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
It did...
but that’s okay. We know how you feel.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Not really, ghost.
Michael Young had a bad year in 2010 and moving to DH/1B wasn’t a bad idea.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Perhaps people are blaming Nolan because he's on record as not wanting to make long-term commitments to FA pitchers.
I mean, maybe that has something to do with it, Willy.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I'm not blaming anyone, really...
But I know that Nolan helps set the budget with which JD has to work.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
And JD spent a shit-ton of money on Beltre last year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
And it now looks like JD's Decision came down to Beltre v CJ.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
And I'd rather have Beltre, to be honest...
for the price and years if that’s true.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Beltre will probably provide more WAR over the next four years.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So we put this squarely in JD's lap, okay?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You know what?
Go back to the other C.J. thread.
We’re not doing this JD/Nolan circus all day in every thread. People can express disappointment in ownership/front office without you forcing your agenda into it.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
But if JD is SITTING in Nolan's lap...
then it’s in both of their laps, sort of, right?!
by VM on Dec 8, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
I think the fact that it helped them get to within an out of the World Series helps, as well...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
NOLAN'S BABY
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Not really.
Just eagerly awaiting for JD to fix this massive fuck-up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
What about other holiday lattes?
Pumpkin spice? Gingerbread?
by VM on Dec 8, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Gingerbread is good.
I’m not a huge fan of pumpkin items. Not gross just not at the top of my list of tastes.
Chai tea
Is delicious. Especially warm with milk and sugar.
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
I basically live across the street from a Starbucks...
I get chai tea lattes way too often once it gets cold.
I don't really care what % of this decision was Nolan's vs JD's
I “blame” them both.
Though I am trying o wait and see what happens the rest of the offseason…
by VM on Dec 8, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
If we end up spending money...
I would have to think this is more to do with Nolan’s beliefs about FA pitchers.
NOLAN'S BABY
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
NOLAN'S BABY
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
agree 1000% percent dude
Nolan Ryan really blundered this one up :(
by alon91 on Dec 8, 2011 1:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If true, JD needs to give his 2010 "MLB Executive of the Year" Award to Nolan this afternoon.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
He's just showing you how two can play your game...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
He doesn't show me anything, ghost.
Let’s hope JD can fight his way of this one.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
x
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
by JDT217 on Dec 8, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
If Nolan wanted CJ here than he would have signed him
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
WAT
@BNightengale
Bob Nightengale
The #STLCards actually had only the fourth-largest offer to Albert Pujols, behind the #Marlins, #Angels and the mystery team.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
I actually want to know who the mystery team was now.
If it wasn’t Anaheim … Toronto?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I think Cincinnati.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And I liked your reasoning...
Hmmmm…
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
If it was Cincy... we'll never find out.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Hah.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Seriously.
They stated the reason the team was staying anonymous was they had an existing 1B to move if they did sign him.
Not that many match up.
Sign Pujols and trade Votto for cheap quality pitching…
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Nah.
I’d bet it was more drive the price up for the Cardinals.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
No one had to drive up the price for STL
They knew what the range would be.
by Colonel Travis on Dec 8, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
I thought that immediately after it was announced that the mystery team would have to move an established 1B.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
It sucks that Albert is in Anaheim
But after going to games 6 and 7 of World Series and listening to Cards fans sense of entitlement to Albert and how he would never leave St. Louis bc it’s the nices shit hole in the US…..I love seeing them be crushed.
think st louis makes a bid at morbid obese fat guy prince fielder?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:31 PM CST reply actions
I think they do
If they miss out on Prince, I’d expect them to trade for a cheap, young first baseman. I wouldn’t be surprised if they called about Moreland.
St. Louis re-signed Berkman to be their 1B contingency.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think they'll try to sign an OF.
If Beltran could man RF somehow he’d be a good fit.
Defending Big D Check it out
Twitter
"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
That's what Beltran does.
If Beltran could man LF, he’d be a good fit.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
But then what happens to Holliday?
He’s a corpse out there too at this point, no?
Defending Big D Check it out
Twitter
"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
Oh you were saying for STL.
I thought we were talking about the Rangers.
My bad.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Beltran would be a nice pick-me-up.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Helluva drug.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
They'll roll with Holliday/Jay/Craig
by LiamP on Dec 8, 2011 1:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's morbidly obese AND fat
He’s needs to lose some weight
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
CJ
I hope he and Albert have fun watching the Texas Rangers win the Al West, AL Championships and the World Series.
by Ryan2907 on Dec 8, 2011 1:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions
It will make it so much more satisfying
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So, yeah, I've been hanging around LSB hoping for news the last few days.
But I don’t think I want any more news. It would probably lead me to kill myself. So…uh, I’ll see you guys around if I recover.
…who am I kidding? I’ll probably have a tab open on LSB all day.
This is what the OT is made for, I s'pose.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
It's not that bad...
It’s going to be hilarious when the Angels don’t win and spend $180 million a year for the privilege, man.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
But think of all them Hambone dingers!
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
I really really really really really fucking wish we had just won the god damn World Series last year.
I wouldn’t give a shit about any of this then…
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It hurts, brother
There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t think – holy shit, one strike…..
by Colonel Travis on Dec 8, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Let's go back to not talking about it!
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
STOP!!!
Happy thoughts
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
That Window got a little tighter today.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
And I think Bobby V makes the Red Sox a motherfucker to play next year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I could give a rat's ass about Bobby V
Sox would be good anyway.
by VM on Dec 8, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
What a fucking asshole
KentSterling Kent Sterling
Crazy day. Pujols going to Angels is 9/11 type story in St. Louis. It’s a where were you when you heard… type deal. #Pujols
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
That fucking pastor guy was right after all!
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
What did he say again?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
how does a parallel like that even come up in your brain. how does one even think like that.
fucked up.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Would it have been better if he said JFK type moment?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Both incidents had a profound effect on DFW
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Probably should have gone with the Shot Heard Round the World.
At least that has a baseball parallel…
Maybe moon landing?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Pearl Harbor?
I wasn’t happy when I found out Affleck had the lead role
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They love their baseball in STL
But that’s too far
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 1:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh Kent Sterling.
You clueless asshole.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
With a name like Kent Sterling,
maybe he just thinks he can get away with saying anything.
by VM on Dec 8, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
I saw DSheppard's tweet
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I thought you posted the Pujols news that was a tweet.
Maybe I was wrong…it was a car crash and I don’t remember everything that happened.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That's what I meant...no problems, DShep
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
that reminds me
Anyone gotten/seen a SBN name change in the past couple months?
I requested my handle to be changed to just DShep a couple months ago and then again a few weeks ago and never got a reply or change. No big deal obviously, just curious if they stopped doing it for any random user request or something.
Seems half of LSB lost faith in JD because he let CJ walk...
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 1:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't think JD is dumb or a bad GM because of this.
But the information we have doesn’t line up… and it makes me worry about the future.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
really?
you worry about the future. JD has built an AL champs team and still maintained one of the best farm systems in baseball. how are you worried about the future? things could be altogether different in just 4 days, if we win the Yu bid. Everybody will want a piece of JD’s jock strap.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
And if we don't win the Yu bid?
If Nathan is our most significant acquisition?
What do you think then?
It’s still a good team… but we may not have the money to push the way fans were expecting for acquiring talent.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
you never know
that is why you let the offseason play out. I’ll reserve judgment until there is enough info to make a judgment on the offseason
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Again... I'm not saying I think JD is a bad GM at all.
Just that we may have more limitations that I thought we would, which will make things harder for us having a smaller than expected budget.
Hence… worried about the future.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
There are plenty of teams with good FO's
and >A’s resources that still find it difficult to compete.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
who
AL East teams other than the big 2?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Cleveland, Seattle
maybe Cincy or Minny
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Aside from the Yankees...
EVERYONE has trouble. They’re the only ones that make the playoffs every year.
Too many Rangers fans take for granted how awesome these last two years have been… and how unusual they were as well.
Four team division without any serious competition.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Eh,
but in some cases, it seems like teams trip over themselves. The NL West for example…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
this is true
usually it happens though, money-whipping somebody that doesn’t deserve it like Zito.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I was talking about good FOs
and you come with Cleveland and Seattle
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Hahah.
Well, I could use the Braves and Red Sox, but that seems like a temporary trend?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Not a matter of faith in JD
more questions about the entire front office / revenue side of the team. Including JD.
This seems a very questionable decision without a good explanation as to why it was made…
by VM on Dec 8, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah. I'm more worried about what this says about the revenue side.
It will take an impact signing to put the Rangers back as the clear favorite, and I’m not sure if they can afford one.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I don't think that's true...
I think we’re coming to grip with some budget issues, though.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'd probably feel better
if that stupid CBA wasn’t on the books that completely fucks over the way the Rangers acquire talent.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
by vfn on Dec 8, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
It's not faith in JD, as much as our front office and ownership as a whole
And it’s not lost, just diminished slightly.
We all thought something was going to happen this off-season. Now it looks like the Angels are getting substantially better, and the Rangers are getting worse.
That’s disappointing.
No, many just realized that they made bad assumptions
about what the Rangers would/could do. Most likely would, not could.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
WTF man?
I leave for a few hours and you assholes let the Angels sign every free agent on the market?
Totally overshadowed those stupid Marlins...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
We tried to stop them.
But they were all like “WE’RE BURNING THIS MOTHERFUCKER DOWN, YO.” And then they went ahead and did it, man.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Second rounder and a supplemental first rounder.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Ahh, fuck I forgot.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
WE DON'T EVEN GET A SWIHART!?!?!
WHERE IS MY SWIHART!?!?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
That extra allowance in our draft budget is going to be awesome.
Loving this new CBA, you guys!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I wish I gave a shit about RGIII
I need some good news.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You can still watch on Saturday and be happy.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I will watch for RGIII's coronation (Is this jinxing? Sorry if so.)
and to watch Honey Badger highlights.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Wheeeeeeeeee!
The Angels totally recognized the new market inefficiency was just money-whipping the fuck out of free agents?
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
This is what depressed me this morning.
Baseball is now less about being able to identify young players and develop them. It’s more about being able to grow revenues and marketability. Sigh.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Matt West!
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Matt West was an overslot signing :(
by LiamP on Dec 8, 2011 1:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
On second thought, I think he might have signed for slot.
Nevermind.
by LiamP on Dec 8, 2011 1:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
and he's only now on the radar
after failing as a position player
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
How much would you pay for a book that revealed everything behind the scenes?
I don’t mean one that could be actually written, but a hypothetical book that had every Rangers related conversation/negotiation for the last couple years?
I think I’d be in for at least a couple hundred bucks…
I'd pay a couple thousand for that.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It'd be funny to see that question asked to more casual Rangers fans.
They’d be like, “a couple thousand bucks? Thad who? Sounds boring.”
by VM on Dec 8, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, about 35,000
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 2:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We should have an LSB movie night tonight
To take our mind of this
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 2:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
JFK?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 8, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
MikeNapoli25 Mike Napoli
Texas is the place for me and looking forward to defending the west"@Halos949: @MikeNapoli25 – You can come back if you want…. :-)"
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 2:07 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I love you so much, Naps
<3
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by Gay For Feliz on Dec 8, 2011 2:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
5/70
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
If Napoli puts up another year like he did in 2012, that's going to be a bargain.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
thats why you did it now
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
5/70 would be a huge kneejerk over reaction to losing CJ
For one thing hes only going to get 9 mil in arb this winter so your proposal would be 4/60 on the FA market?
VMart only got 4/50 and he had a long track record of success.
I agree if Napoli puts up a 1000+ OPS again itll raise his price but you dont pay expecting that to happen and you damn sure dont commit 5 years to the guy expecting that to happen
VMart got 12.5 per for four years.
Napoli is younger, a better defender and is now a better hitter.
That’s worth 1.5 million more per and an extra year.
What do you think is an offer that he would sign this off-season?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
He will be 1 year younger than VMart was when he hit FA
But VMart had played in at least 125 games in 6 of the previous 7 years before FA. You know how many times Napoli has played over 125 games in a season? Once.
In those 7 years VMart had a OPS of at least 844 in all but 1 season. Napoli has OPSed greater than 840 three times including last year.
I would approach Napoli right now with a 4 year 45 mil extension offer. 9 mil for 2012 as his last arb year and then 12 mil per in 2013-2015.
If he goes out and has another 1000+ OPS season he could possibly get a 4/55 or 5/70 deal but I dont pay that right now after 1 season
So what kind of offer do you think Napoli would sign this off-season?
Not what’s fair to the team or what you think his value is but an offer where his agent would say “You need to sign this now instead of going to free agency next year.”
5/70 is that offer from me.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Of course he signs 5/70 now
Thats probably the max he’d get with another 1000+ OPS season
I think 4/45 would get it done right now or at least be a good enough starting point to get something done.
Wow, seems we have now lost our minds.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
by philkid3 on Dec 8, 2011 2:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions
That happens when the Angels possibly become the favorite to win the division you play in...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
On December 8, 2011...they are the favorites.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Probably.... At best, we're slight favorites...
By the way, you might like this Nolan quote from last year regarding contract lengths..
“Obviously the shorter, the higher my comfort level would be,” said Ryan, chuckling. "You have to take the individual and the track record and all of those things into consideration and work off of that. It doesn’t matter if it’s a position player or pitcher. I’m not real big into lengthening contracts out because I think from a ballclub and organization standpoint it’s bad business.
“I think obviously Cliff Lee would get more consideration for length than somebody else.”
Guess he thought CJ was a somebody else…
by VM on Dec 8, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
A lot of this seems in reaction to Albert then CJ actually going to LA..
But the reason why I’m possibly changing my yes to no in my mind is that Albert was out of our control anyhow. In the FO mind, they were willing to let CJ go to LA for whatever reason why should this change anything?
I'm not even that mad about Albert.
I’m more angry about CJ.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
That C.J. Wilson is an Angel...
and not a Texas Ranger.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Oh trust me, said it yesterday that this would tick me off but I'm not surprised..
Its the Albert signing one that I didnt see coming. I just dont know GOET, it seems like the Rangers for whatever reason didnt want CJ. 5/75 didn’t change their mind, gotta trust that they know what they’re doing and not make an emotional decision.
I do trust that...
I’m more disappointed by what could be a different budget than I thought. But then again, it’s early yet.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
The Red Sox won the World Series last December.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Historical collapses do often happen...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yes they do...and we didn't become the Two-Time Defending American League Champions..
for no reason.
We got this. There’s not a team in the world, when we’re at the top of our game, that can beat us.
Btw, Jordan Walden? lolz
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Talk of them trading Trumbo for Andrew Bailey.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Well...
yes, the playoffs are a crapshoot.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
collective venting
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I call it Group Therapy.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
He hosts Diamond Talk....
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 8, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
I can't listen to that fucktard
nor read his dumbass tweets.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Dec 8, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
I bet there were guys in the clubhouse that would roll their eyes at some of the stuff he did
But thats about it. Still generally liked… and wanted as a pitcher.
yeah Im not buying that, our clubhouse was tight..
Im sure some are closer then others but I dont thinK CJ was hated by any means.
Pretty much..
Guys like Kinsler and Napoli seem like those type of guys who take no shit from nobody on the other side.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
I feel like we've heard that multiple times
And it seems like his personality is an outlier.
Not 100% by any means, just my guess
Maybe based on him
doing a 5 minute interview about his racing team, his computer program, and his off season plans in the middle of the locker room immediately after the game 6 loss.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
So we lost both of Josh's crutches this offseason
Waiting for the inevitable bender.
At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.
Sorry for being fantasy GM here, but how about Ryan Dempster?
He may be cheaper than Garza, and while his production isn’t as good, he’s a solid 3-4 guy, who has the talent to be a 2.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
Scott Baker
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
talent to be a 2?
He’s gonna be 35 next year
by Colonel Travis on Dec 8, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
He's put up consistent numbers, and played behind a crappy defense.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
best days are behind him
Wasn’t so hot this past year
by Colonel Travis on Dec 8, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Did you even see his numbers?
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
And I’ve also seen him play for the past dozen or so years. His command isn’t good, he gives up too many HRs and he’s getting old. Saying he’s potential #2 talent is something you’d say about him when he was with Fla.
by Colonel Travis on Dec 8, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Starting Pitching..
No need to sign someone just for the sake of making a move. Only sign if it makes the rotation better. So as far as FA goes, it’s Darvish and maybe Oswalt from my perspective.
by Topgun22 on Dec 8, 2011 2:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Eh.
I want 1/2 guys, not 3-4 guys. We’ve got plenty of guys who could be a 3-4.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Hey PK
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Butler to the Clippers, 3/24
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
this next season is going to suck
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Dec 8, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
It seems pretty unreasonable to think the Eagles would be this bad, no?
And those of us who were saying the Cowboys were crazy for all of the turnover on their offensive line look like we were right now?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
For the record... I completely did not care about the Eagles signings.
But football is a very different animal when it comes to trying to incorporate talent into your system.
A good second baseman is a good second baseman… not always true of CB and QB, etc.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
True.
Baseball is an indivdual sport disguised as a team sport
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yes,
but there’s a fairly good argument that they’ve just been misusing Nnamdi and it can be easily fixed…say if they didn’t have a first year DC who is soon to be fired.
I mean, that and not addressing the LBs at all, which was weird.
Babin seems good, no? Jenkins not so much. So 1 hit, 1 miss, and 1 we’ll see? That’s not bad…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
The real issue to me
was their reliance on Vick to repeat what he did last year. If going to prison and not playing football makes you a better QB, someone else would ahve done it already.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I said that at the time, also.
Seemed silly to depend on him that much [or make him the #1 overall player in FF, Matthew Berry], but that could have been addressed decently well with a capable backup QB.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
So last year...
I won money because I got Vick and Hillis off the waiver wire after week 1.
I had third priority and someone he fell to me and no one even knew who Hillis was.
This year… someone took him second overall.
I take Cam in the 16th round…
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Chandler is 98% sure he's going to the Knicks
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Grant Brisbee knows what to do!
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:40 PM CST reply actions
<3
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Yep
couple of points that have been brought up here a lot… a lot of people want to let Hamilton with his health issues walk, and if the Rangers do Fielder is a very convenient way to replace that offense.
And exploit their current window with an amazing 2012 offense.
God it's so true.
The Rangers’ ownership is not as petty as I am, apparently. They’re fiscally prudent and pragmatic. And if they didn’t think that Pujols was worth $254 million — which is something that 28 other teams thought — well, they might be right. But they were always the best fit for one of the two premium first basemen on the market, considering that they have a modest payroll, and that they shouldn’t be especially attached to Mitch Moreland.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
WHY DON'T THEY THINK IT IS TRUE?!
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
I can't figure it out.
Even you’re convinced you can sign Joey Votto in 2 years or something crazy like that, this team is built to win NOW.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
FIRST TWO MONTHS, AQUAMAN.
FIRST TWO MONTHS. MITCH MORELAND IS AN ALL STAR.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
by vfn on Dec 8, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
I've made that point that moreland was good the first two months
I think he is adequate. I don’t think he is an all-star. calm down. I wouldn’t mind an upgrade to first base, but you act like Moreland is shit. I might agree if, in fact, wrist surgery wasn’t required to fixed Moreland’s injury.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
this is true
I’ve thought about that, and I’d think that the Rangers have thought about that as well. I can’t think of any players though off the top of my head right now that had wrist surgery to gain some perspective.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Damn.
Forgot about my love for that guy. Thought he was going to be our VMart.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Not the point but
for all we know Oakland/San Diego/etc. think Pujols is a steal at 10/254, doesn’t matter if they don’t have the money to offer it to him.
I can't possibly imagine that even the Angels think Pujols is a steal at 10/254...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
especially considering his age
and where he will be in the 2nd half of that contract with a FULL no trade clause
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
true
but he’ll have a full no trade throughout the deal.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yeah
I’m just thinking that if you’re giving him one for any significant portion of the deal (Miami was apparently willing to give him one so they probably negotiated one with Anaheim), you might as well do it for the whole thing because he’ll likely get those rights anyway.
Exaggeration for the point.
I just meant there may have been other GMs who would give that contract if it was within their means.
And of course, needed a 1b. I mean, no chance the Yankees would have done that without Tex?
I didn't think the voting would be this close.
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People are probably voting mad...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah but most people are mad that they didnt sign him 0.o
I expected more like 80% yes. Its been over 50% no for the past few hours.
Well, there's the people that hated C.J....
There’s the people that hated C.J. because of the postseason. There’s the people that hate him now because he’s an Angel and there’s the people that think, “We should probably just trust the front office.” There’s also probably trolls. Apparently that’s 46% of people.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
I voted no.
It sucks that Anahiem got both Pujols and Wilson, but I agree with not giving Wilson 5 years.
And surely not reacting to this news by giving Prince 180 to 200 million, heck no.
That’s reactionary mode and not a good way to do business. But if they can get him in a soft market, I can see them looking twice at him now.
I never expected to sign CJ and didn't even pay attention to any of because of that
but I must say I find myself somewhat irritated that the Angels got him for that contract.. and I voted yes.
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This is me.
That contract and adding Albert had me saying yes. but now that I’m somewhat calm, I might have said no.
I've come to the realization that it takes the sting off a little knowing the Rangers are also a very good team...
Had this happened in 2008, I’d have probably given up hope and just enjoyed that baseball existed instead of hoped to someday see my team win.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 2:57 PM CST reply actions
We will play meaningful games in September.
And probably win at least 90 games.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think 88-91 is a good range to expect with the current team.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I'm thinking 90-93 is a reasonable range for the Angels.
Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Can't say I'm really shocked
With our lack of activity this off-season. The Rangers spend money in various ways. JD always has a quote about sustained success. Losing CJ is magnified because Pujols was signed today along with him. It hurts, a lot. JD and co. don’t lose sight of the plan and it has brought us two world series appearances. I still have trust.
So while the Angels won today, we’ll see what happens when October comes around.
For some reason, I can't reply on my phone
But bigsteve, if Naps OPS’s 1000+ again next year, he’s the best FA position player next year and gets way more than 5/70 imo
Ghetto—CJ has more value to the Rangers/Angels than other teams bc they were signing wins directly away from the team with whom they are competing for the playoffs.
by Jobu. on Dec 8, 2011 3:11 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I dont believe a guy with only a 2 year track record of success and very little record of playing a full season gets much more than that
If bidding got up there could it go 5/75….yeah but he’ll be a 31 year old C. Those guys generally dont get huge deals
So what kind of offer would you make him that his agent would advise to he sign this off-season?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Did you say 4/55?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Do you offer him 5/70 this off-season?
Hitting is much more predictable than pitching and I don’t think Napoli’s 2011 was a fluke.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
nvm...4/45
I don’t think he is enticed to sign a contract less than VMart
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'd try to keep it shorter
4/60 or something. Who knows what it takes.
by Jobu. on Dec 8, 2011 4:29 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Similar to Jose Bautista
Jays gambled and they look good for it now. Though Bautista’s babip was actually terrible in 2010 and Naps was pretty good (still had great peripherals regardless though).
I'm always hesitant of that last point.
You never know what moves will lead to in the end. If we knew that signing Beltre would lead to the Angels trading for Vernon Wells, we would have been even bigger fans. But what if they had taken that money and traded for Felix Hernadez?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Shit.
Do I even want to scroll through either of these front page posts, or will my head explode?
"I'm not looking for an internet fight, just trying to get people to stop doing shit like picking needless fights. The more we do stuff like this, the less time there is for looking at pictures of dinosaur penises." Bob Loblaw - 6/23/11
Remember when we were young and free and yelling at Willow in the Rangers' parking lot?
Seems like decades ago.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Before so many new gray hairs and dick punches.
Will we ever recapture that glorious feeling?
"I'm not looking for an internet fight, just trying to get people to stop doing shit like picking needless fights. The more we do stuff like this, the less time there is for looking at pictures of dinosaur penises." Bob Loblaw - 6/23/11
Someday...
Someday… Maybe at LSB West Coast Fest 2012. Maybe never.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Also, no...
Don’t read these threads.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Now angels going for Bailey
Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune reports that the Angels have had talks with the Athletics about closer Andrew Bailey.
Beane and Dipoto:
“Let’s take them down.”
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 8, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Right?!
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
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