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In every negotiation, the bidder either (1) has a price point above which they walk away or (2) wins the bidding.

We now know the Rangers clearly had a price point for CJ. The question is why?

I believe the Rangers basically said good bye to CJ when he didn't take their offer of 4/48 to keep him off the market. It was an offer that probably was above his market value at the time. There is one strain of thought on LSB that the Rangers should've kept CJ off the market. This is silly, because it's not like CJ or his agent was thinking that they could get 4/56 or 4/60 on the market and, so, to think that the Rangers would've had to only marginally improve their offer to keep him off the market is silly. To think the Rangers should've have massively improved their offer is silly. CJ was also aware of the money offered to Lee and spent on Beltre. He clearly thought he could get more on the market, and he possibly thought that should he have a great year his performance could convince the Rangers to be competitive in the market.

There is the post Adam made about JD's discussion with the media on "core" players in which a "core" player had to show they wanted to be here long term. One way to interpret that is to say that the player is willing to stay off the market or be willing to consider the Rangers at a discount in the market. The risk to the player is that the deal could be below market if he shows serious improvement, as CJ did.

Why would the Rangers not compete with the Angels on the market and at least match their offer to CJ? The opinions on this board suggest it could be a lot of things.
(1) They do not see CJ as an impact player and think a repeat of last season is unlikely.
(2) They can not afford to keep or bring in other impact players if they have CJ at 5/75
(3) Once the Angels became involved, they believed CJ would only have accepted an offer better than the Angels' to keep CJ.
(4) As it became clear the Angels were in on Pujols, (3) became even more apparent.
(5) They truly can not pay someone other than a Lee or Beltre a competitive market value.
(6) The Rangers have some sort of dislike of CJ. His personality or style just didn't fit the Ranger way.

Discussion has centered around CJ feeling slighted by the Rangers. That's understandable. CJ truly believed in himself. He believed that he could get better than what the Rangers offered to keep him off the market, and he was right. He took that offer and trashed it with a great season.

It's clearly puzzling to CJ why the Rangers didn't compete in the market for him the way they did with Lee. It clearly, I don't want to say hurt, the more manly version of "hurt" him. I still see no reason to take this as evidence that had the Rangers matched the Angels he would be a Ranger. It's just evidence that he wanted to feel wanted. And, when the Rangers determined they didn't want him at a competitive market price (possibly after he rejected last spring's offer of a 4-yr contract beyond which the Rangers are loath to go with pitchers), they didn't see any value in stroking his ego by competing with the Angels.

What does this mean for the next impact player? Josh Hamilton. He wants to be treated fairly. We will likely very soon find out what he means by that. If he doesn't reach an agreement with the Rangers in the next couple of weeks, I think there is a great likelihood he will be shopped, particularly in this OF market. The trouble is, as Adam pointed out, if he doesn't sign with the Rangers, then that's a clear indicator to anyone who could be a trade partner that he's intent on testing the market, and that depresses his return value. Plus, he's got the baggage of drug addiction, bringing risk into the equation and depressing his value. The most obvious trade partner would be the Brewers, and the Rangers certainly aren't going to get much in the way of prospects from the Brewers. It would have to be a superstar swap to make sense for the Rangers in that case.

How can the Rangers replace CJ? Rumors are the Rangers are hot on Garza, again. Theo is not buying the prospects that JD has on the table. It makes sense for Theo to do this. He wants to see whether JD's desperation will increase as the season nears, and after the Rangers might not win the Yu bidding. I'm willing to bet the Yankees are going to win that. They're moving on from AJ. They're going to replace him with what is best available in the market. How ever it is that JD replaces CJ, it will be a shocker, it appears at this point.

The scariest thing about this situation is to wonder the following: Under the new CBA, can the Rangers compete for an impact player on the market ever again? Everyone has to throw money at free agents. The teams that can are the teams that have new stadium deals and TV deals and large markets. It seems the Rangers can only go after players whose value might be somewhat depressed because the big spenders just don't want to bid on them. In this case, the Angels wanted to spend. So did the Marlins. If CJ were an impact player on par with Lee, would the Rangers been able to have put together a competitive bid, knowing that the bidding would've been even higher than what actually occured?

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I wonder about the role of Ron Washington in negotiations.

My recollection, and I’ve tried to search the web to confirm the following sequence of events, is that Ron confirmed with Bowden about the Rangers 5-yr offer before it was publicly known that the Angels had a 5-yr and Marlins a 6-yr offer on the table.

Immediately following Wash’s comment to Bowden, Ron retracted in a comment to Jeff Wilson. Soon thereafter the Rangers began the public indicators that they were not going to meet the Angels/Marlins offers.

I’m guessing the Rangers used Ron in this instance to gauge whether the discussion JD had with CJ’s agent on Tuesday night meant the Rangers could end the bidding rather than be another contract on the table to ramp up the Angels’ bid.

If so, this is a new era of Ron-JD-Nolan…. A coordinated negotiation and public PR team rather than the disjointed comments that have come out from Washington and JD in the past.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."

by rooster on Dec 9, 2011 8:32 AM CST reply actions  

I think Ron was just confused on things

I imagine he was at the dinner the night before with everyone else and from all accounts the Rangers never actually offered a contract but instead talked parameters they were comfortable with.

Im sure at some point while shoveling a ribeye in his mouth Ron probably heard someone on the Rangers side talk about a 5 year deal and figured thats what they were comfortable with.

I highly doubt the Rangers were using Ron as any sort of planned decoy

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Not a decoy... A feeler

which is a bad word to use to describe it. His rumor tested the waters about how strongly the others were pursuing CJ.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."

by rooster on Dec 9, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

The last update here is that JD said he thinks CJ would've come back if they had matched the Angels.

Either (1) the Rangers didn’t have the money, or (2) they didn’t want to go five years even if they had the money, or (3) there is a disagreement between JD and Nolan on what they were willing to do.

It would suck if (2) is the answer, but it’s preferable to (1) and (3).

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."

by rooster on Dec 9, 2011 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

Actually #2 would be the best scenario there...

1 and 3 would be horrible..

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by Mike E on Dec 9, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd guess a combination of (1) and (2):

(a) They’re in a position, financially and competitively, in which they feel they can only improve by acquiring a certain amount of talent per available dollar, and so

(b) while they had the money to sign Wilson to 5/$77.5M, it would’ve exhausted their 2012 finances, and highly constrained their spending the next 4 years, without bringing them the amount of talent in 2012 or 2013-2016 they felt they needed to continue the 2010-2011 run; plus

© as a baseline, they’re loathe to go five years or spend a lot of money on free agent pitching, in line with the Hindman Principle (though I’d doubt they’re as strict adherents to that as MJH might prefer them to be).

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by Snark on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Obviously, that should be (c)

Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.

by Snark on Dec 9, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Cockadoodle doo.

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by Mike E on Dec 9, 2011 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

Cockadoodle doo.

It’s echo-y in here.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."

by rooster on Dec 9, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

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