Wednesday morning Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 16, 2011 9:49 AM CDT
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Rough outings yesterday for both Derek Holland and Alexi Ogando in the Rangers' exhibition...the Ranger website has a write-up.
Jeff Wilson has a story on the rotation battle, saying that there are seven pitchers vying for two spots (there are two, not three, because Wilson says Tommy Hunter appears to be in already). Wilson says that Neftali Feliz, Derek Holland, Michael Kirkman, and Matt Harrison seem to be the frontrunners, with Alexi Ogando, Dave Bush, and Eric Hurley behind them.
The Hurley situation is interesting to me...he's been out since, basically, mid-2008, but had a strong fall and has really impressed folks this spring. I think he has to start the season in AAA, and I'm worried about him running out of gas late in the year, but he's someone I expect to see up and contributing at some point in the season.
T.R. Sullivan says Ron Washington wants the team to go out and get an experienced closer if Feliz moves to the rotation.
Gil Lebreton has a column about Ron Washington's comments about going and getting a closer if Feliz moves to the rotation, the overvaluing of closers generally, and what closers the Rangers might target come July if Feliz has been put into the rotation.
I think it goes without saying that I don't really want to see the Rangers go out and give up quailty assets for a "proven closer."
Bryan Dolgin has a piece at ESPN Dallas about the value of spring training.
The S-T's notes include a Q&A with former Ranger Jeff Burroughs.
S-T business writer Mitchell Schnurman says the Rangers sudden removal of Chuck Greenberg raising questions and hurts their credibility.
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How about a free agent closer?
Mike Henneman is available….
"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10
Trade back for Chris Ray?
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
In 220 career relief appearances, Jamey Wright has never had a save
Chris Ray => 33 save season,
Thus, by Warsh logic, Chris Ray = proven closer
kidding, of course
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
but not really
"JD is a fucking ninja," Aquaman, esq, 25 January 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Mar 16, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
When you need a four-inning save to protect a 30-run lead
you can always count on Wes Littleton!
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
Odell Jones says "Don't forget about me."
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Mar 16, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
What, you prefer Tom Henke?
"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10
Greg Harris, Mitch Williams, Dale Mohorcic and don't forget The Emu
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Ah, the Horse
Loved that guy. As long as he wasn’t eating his sandpaper, he was good.
"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10
Spaceman could probably still work
Given enough beer and LSD.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Marijuana sprinkled on his pancakes for breakfast.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Mar 16, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Could be the next Dustin Nippert
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
That's great praise for a pitcher
If you work hard, fight through your recovery, I really think you have a chance to have a Nippert like career.
Go Rice Owls!
He made a million dollars.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"I am on a drug," Sheen said. "It’s called Charlie Sheen. It’s not available because if you try it you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body."
two chicks at the same time
"JD is a fucking ninja," Aquaman, esq, 25 January 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Mar 16, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
"FROM WHOM"
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
by AceJC on Mar 16, 2011 12:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sandwhich?
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
by AceJC on Mar 16, 2011 12:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"I am on a drug," Sheen said. "It’s called Charlie Sheen. It’s not available because if you try it you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body."
You'd have to think Feliz and Holland
are going to get longer looks with their upside.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
And I want them both in the roto.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"I am on a drug," Sheen said. "It’s called Charlie Sheen. It’s not available because if you try it you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body."
Unless you seem a dramtic drop in velocity or mechanics get messed up
I don’t take ST results that seriously.
This is the problem with ST
Some people put way too much emphasis on every outing while others pretty much disregard everything.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
JBI
Well done with this question. Very snarky. Everyone is very very proud of you. You are popular to the opposite sex and envied by your peers… which is silly since you are clearly peerless.
=)
"I'll bet you an Internet he puts up a higher OPS than Beltre." | Scoop16 on Michael Young, 2/17/2011
Well...
It’s hard to compete with a dragon named Snark.
When Holland didn’t have a great outing one of the thoughts I had was, “Great… now JBI is going to rub it in our faces. I guess it’s a good thing I got on the Harry bandwagon a few days ago.”
"I'll bet you an Internet he puts up a higher OPS than Beltre." | Scoop16 on Michael Young, 2/17/2011
Today's OT thread
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/3/16/2053794/3-16-ot-thread
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/3/16/2053794/3-16-ot-thread
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/3/16/2053794/3-16-ot-thread
A nightingale in a golden cage
That's me locked inside reality's maze
Also, no need to point the link 3 times
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
I think its good to quickly remind people toward the top of the thread so it keeps the OT stuff to a minimum in here
Its worked pretty damn well for the last few weeks I see no reason to change anything yet.
And get on board with the troll script if you need it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Mar 16, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I said I'd link it in the morning thread at the genisis of the idea, so nobody would bitch that people who don't look at the fanposts won't find it.
And I post it three times so nobody will bitch that people can’t see it in the morning thread.
A nightingale in a golden cage
That's me locked inside reality's maze
But
keep in mind this is still The Angry Dome.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Mar 16, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I realize it seems rather redundant, but I know if I stop doing it I’ll eventually have people bitching about that, too.
No-win situation.
A nightingale in a golden cage
That's me locked inside reality's maze
You're just a people-pleaser aren't you?
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
If you don't count women as people.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"I am on a drug," Sheen said. "It’s called Charlie Sheen. It’s not available because if you try it you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body."
Of course not.
I don’t even know why we let them vote.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
POSTER'S NOTE:
I was not advocating unequal treatment of women or any form of misogyny.
I was trying to make a joke about LSJ’s sexual prowess.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"I am on a drug," Sheen said. "It’s called Charlie Sheen. It’s not available because if you try it you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body."
It's hard to tell whether that flew over LSB's head because it just sucked
Or because bigfan has unfortunately put that in the forefront of everyone’s minds.
A nightingale in a golden cage
That's me locked inside reality's maze
A little from column A, little from column B.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"I am on a drug," Sheen said. "It’s called Charlie Sheen. It’s not available because if you try it you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body."
Medieval times girl disagrees.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
by AceJC on Mar 16, 2011 12:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sounds like Old School Brutha also thinks his bully will be in shambles if Feliz makes the rotation.
“But who do we have in our bullpen that has closed ballgames down? This isn’t about ’might” being able to close a ballgame down. We’ll need somebody that’s bona fide to close ballgames down.
Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/03/15/2924479/if-feliz-starts-rangers-have-a.html#ixzz1Gm84sNBh
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Closers are overrated.
9th inning losses are teh suck, but, come on, they don’t have much impact over the course of the season.
i could close a big league game
"JD is a fucking ninja," Aquaman, esq, 25 January 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Mar 16, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"I am on a drug," Sheen said. "It’s called Charlie Sheen. It’s not available because if you try it you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body."
Before you say anything
realize that TagDon’tTweet may be Dustin Nippert posting from Korea.
Go Rice Owls!
It's Wes Littleton actually.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.-Closure GT on 12/14/2010 9:48 AM
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Aren't you happy
that the guy you constantly call stupid and criticize has the same opinion on the team’s bullpen as you…
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Old School Brutha is on a honeymoon period...bitch about anything you want but he was the manager of a team that went to the World Series and deserves as much.
The light goes back on him when the season starts.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Mar 16, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, so anything he has said during this offseason is great
but the second the season starts and he starts saying we need another closer, then you’re going to bitch about him again
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Not necessarily. If Feliz goes to the rotation, we may actually need an experienced closer.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Mar 16, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't get this
Feliz had a ton of experience last year, right? Why does experience matter?
by Dirk Diggler on Mar 16, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Experience doesn't really matter if you possess the skills of Feliz.
What other pitcher in the organization has the skills of Feliz and if there is one, why isn’t he being given a shot at the rotation?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Ogando
And he is being given a shot at the rotation
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Ogando doesn't have the skills of Feliz
But it’s in the neighborhood.
"I'll bet you an Internet he puts up a higher OPS than Beltre." | Scoop16 on Michael Young, 2/17/2011
He doesn't have the 80 pitch that Feliz has as a closer
But his fastball is still in the high 90s and with that slider, I’d say they are pretty equal overall in terms of stuff (current Ogando vs. 2010 Feliz)
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
how many saves did Feliz have before last year?
How many relief innings did he even have? How many major league innings did he even have? Experience isn’t everything, Wash is dead wrong. Luckily, I do not expect Daniels to fall all over himself making Wash’s wish come true if Feliz goes into the rotation.
Nelson Cruz - 2011 MVP
Every single closer
once had zero saves. And many playoff teams have won without “proven” closers. Look, if a team goes into the 9th inning with the lead, they have a VERY VERY good chance of winning no matter who is on the mound. A proven closer is so far down the list of pressing needs, especially when you have talent like Ogando and Lowe already here.
Nelson Cruz - 2011 MVP
Its the job of the GM though
to look past what the manager’s basic instincts are and not let that force his hand in what moves he does or doesn’t make
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
well we wouldn't be throwing a rookie into the closer situation
we’d be throwing a guy who is potentially new to closing
.
Buster_ESPN Terry Francona announces officially: Jon Lester opening day starter
by Judy'sLewinsky on Mar 16, 2011 10:13 AM CDT reply actions
Disagree..
Hopefully the front office is conversant with Wash on how soundly Napoli thrashes lefties. Likely he will start at 1st base, and Young DH if injuries don’t set in.
Lester vs CJ
Sucks we probably won’t see Napoli either.
I fully expect the OD lineup to be, barring injury,
Kinsler
Elvis
Josh
Beltre
Cruz/Young
Young/Cruz
Moreland
Yorvit
Borbon
The only reason I put Young and Cruz how I did was because if Young continues his blistering spring and Cruz continues struggling I think Wash will move Nellie down to the 6 spot on Opening Day
I know Moreland will probably play
But that doesn’t mean I’m not going to be pissed if Napoli doesn’t start
Napoli should start against ALL lefties
no question about it
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yeah, against Lester you play Face & Napoli at 1B & DH
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Mar 16, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't
Moreland was on the team last year, is a homegrown player, and his natural position is 1B.
Napoli hasn’t played a regular season game as a Ranger yet, was just acquired a few months ago, and isn’t a natural 1B.
If the game was in Fenway I would agree but on the home opener I think we will see Young at DH and Moreland at 1B
Probably start Moreland for the home opener solely because of his performance...
in the World Series. Just for sentimental value more than anything. Kind of like you said in your post.
Sentimental value has no place in trying to repeat as AL Champions
"I'll bet you an Internet he puts up a higher OPS than Beltre." | Scoop16 on Michael Young, 2/17/2011
Probably,
but you’d think they’d be more interested in winning.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course not,
but it would certainly help…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they're pretty interested in winning
but they also want to show Moreland that they are confident in him and that he is their starting 1B. I think in the end, that’s why they’ll go with Moreland starting at 1B
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Do you think it is a Ron call or a JD call in the end?
by blakethegr8 on Mar 16, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
In the end, its a JD call
I just don’t think JD will overrule Washington, especially on the opening day lineup
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
So the Rangers are going to sit
the lefty masher they brought in to face the tough lefties so Moreland’s feeling don’t get hurt?
No
They are going to play their everyday lineup in Game 1 in front of the biggest crowd of the season
Game 1 is just as important as game 162.
Napoli needs to start versus Lester.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
by AceJC on Mar 16, 2011 12:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The Rangers NEED to put themselves in the best position
to win every game they play this year, including the home opener.
Napoli NEEDS to be in the starting lineup.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Yep.
With Face.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
By the way....
Napoli at first base and MY at DH because Napoli has more experience in the field at first that MY>
Other way around.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Napoli has 70 games at first in the major leagues.
Michael Young has 0.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
yeah, I think its funny too.
(I’m hoping you were just being silly too)
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
Its 1 out of 162
And having Moreland in there does not hamper our chances of winning by any considerable amount so no I don’t think Napoli NEEDS to be in the lineup.
i think he should be in it but im not going to be upset if hes not.
Normally I would say no,
But would it really surprise you to see the homegrown kid that hit well in our previous season’s world series appearance get the nod? I’m not saying I agree with it, but it’s possible
I will be very surprised
If Young and Napoli aren’t playing.
And since we know Treanor will be catching for CJ, Napoli won’t be there.
"I'll bet you an Internet he puts up a higher OPS than Beltre." | Scoop16 on Michael Young, 2/17/2011
I hope Napoli is playing
We’ve just seen Wash’s affinity for “his guys” and I think Moreland may have a stronger hold on that right now than Napoli. Every other game this year I would expect Napoli to start, I just don’t know how Wash is gonna do this game because it’s the home opener after our world series appearance. All bets are off with a gut that’s been to the world series
I see you're reasoning
And you could be right. But just like Treanor will probably be catching instead of Torrealba, I think Wash will go with his best lineup, not necessarily his regular starters.
"I'll bet you an Internet he puts up a higher OPS than Beltre." | Scoop16 on Michael Young, 2/17/2011
This
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Mar 16, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
See,
this makes sense to me because I feel like a team would want to show off it’s new acquisitions on Opening Day.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Its going to be Treanor
because CJ is starting and Treanor is the guy who will be catching CJ all season.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
There is no guarantee that Treanor will be catching
Last year, Molina wasn’t on the same page as CJ, and it could be argued that Teagarden caught CJ better. But Molina is gone, and Torrealba is supposed to be the best defensive catcher of the three, considering that Napoli is the third catcher as opposed to Teagarden.
I may have imagined it
but past the whole Treanor is CJ’s catcher thing, I think there was a blurb somewhere that Treanor would start opening day even though Torrealba was the starting catcher
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I don't think that's what I said
I said that the Rangers are going to go with Moreland, their young 1B who they have said is going to be the starting 1B this season, on opening day. It has nothing to do with hurting his feelings, but showing him that they have confidence in him to succeed. If anything, that lefty masher that they brought in can start at DH. If you want to complain about Napoli sitting, then you’ll probably have to complain about Young playing
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
AJM-
What if one of the quality assets was Michael Young?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
On XM this morning,
Jeff Nelson was asked if Heath Bell would be the Rangers closer at sometime during 2011. His response was a resounding “YES”. What would it take to make this happen?
The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it’s a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
The Padres regressing, for starters.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I think this will happen...
at least I hope it will!!
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it’s a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again."- Terrence Mann (James Earl Jones), Field of Dreams
Their offense is going to be horrendous.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"I am on a drug," Sheen said. "It’s called Charlie Sheen. It’s not available because if you try it you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body."
That shouldn't be a problem.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
a "proven closer"
we should be able to get a proven closer for MY if we eat 8 or 9M/yr of his contract, but is that more valuable.
Give Ogando the chance to close. He’s actually had more experience than Feliz did the previous year before Feliz took over the closer’s role. I don’t see Ogando as a problem in the closer’s role. It is ridiculous that Wash would fuss over getting a closer when we have Ogando and then Scheppers could impact the ’pen later in the year.
plus there are a number of hard throwing arms coming up in our system, along with quality bullpen arms that could matchup like O’Day, Oliver, Rhodes, Harrison/Kirkman (if they aren’t in the roto) etc.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
and I suppose Lowe
although, I’m not real high on him, he does throw hard
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Did someone post Chucks FB message to the masses? Sorry, if so:
I want to extend a heartfelt thanks to everyone for your unwavering support over the last year and a half — especially the past few days. I was honored to be a part of the Texas Rangers at a historic time — and am enormously proud of all we accomplished together. What extraordinary memories. I wish only the best for the franchise and look forward to many memorable Octobers for Rangers fans. You deserve it…chuck
Greenberg did
and he even used a fanshot.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I wouldn't call Ogando's outing rough
Three strong innings featuring a lot of swing and miss before tiring in his fourth inning might not be great for someone you are wanting to start, but it looks great if you are wanting him for the late innings as a reliever.
I only caught the 9th inning on MLBN.
If Ogando and Holland were being called the same way Mahay was getting called, I’d say the rough outings were more on the umpire, than on any of the pitchers. The umpire was atrocious!!
The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it’s a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
Isn't this all the more reason to let Happy take some lumps in the rotation this year?
Starter C.J. Wilson will have tested free agency, and the 2012 Rangers may have a glaring hole at the top of their rotation.
Only if you don't believe Feliz can make the transition without struggling
I personally believe he could make the transition like CJ did.
that is one of the reasons I would have Feliz in the rotation
If he doesn’t start this year, Feliz wouldn’t be ready to take on those innings next year when those innings are really needed.
and then the following year, Colby will be gone, so we have to prep our young arms to take over.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Apparently Colby Lewis stilll doesn't exist.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
He saw the ghost cause he's been dead the whole time too.
by Closure GT on Mar 16, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
It was the plants the whole time!
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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-The Outlaw
Perhaps,
hard to predict what this team will look like in July 2011, let alone April 2012.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Go take a look at the free agent pitching class 2 years from now.
It’s pretty absurd. Even though a few are likely to get extended, there will be options available.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmmn?
Colby is probably better than CJ. Misses more bats, walks fewer people.
A nightingale in a golden cage
That's me locked inside reality's maze
that is a very short list of people
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
Colby is the ace here
but even if it’s a #2 spot, it’s a hole in the top of the rotation, and those innings need to be filled.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Sure,
but if you’re going to lament the loss of CJ as a TORP, I feel like you should at least point out that you have a pitcher under contract who is still just as good…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Bullshit on Cobra being the ace.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Mar 16, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Reason?
"Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor."-Capote
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning."-JD
for?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
why?
because he won’t start the opener?
He’s the superior pitcher
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
?
.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Colbyashi vs Ceej
in basic terms.
Colby K/9 = 8.78. As a starter that is elite especially combined with his 2.91 BB/9.
Ceej K/9 = 7.50 with a BB/9 of 4.10.
both are quality pitchers, but Colby has the edge
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
it's not all that matters
but it definitely does matter, especially when many of there numbers are similar. Wilson’s BABIP of .266 seems a bit lucky along with his career low HR/FB. I don’t know if those are sustainable.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
His BABIP was near the lowest of the qualifying AL pitchers last year, if not the lowest.
Maybe there’s something to be said about our defense affecting that, but I see him giving up more hits this year and if he gives up more hits with that walk rate of his…
A nightingale in a golden cage
That's me locked inside reality's maze
Big bag of nothing.
In support of this argument. That’s what you got.
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Go eat a peach.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Mar 16, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Big. Bag. Of nothing.
Care to explain why Colby Lewis isn’t the “ace” of our current staff?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
CJ.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"I am on a drug," Sheen said. "It’s called Charlie Sheen. It’s not available because if you try it you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body."
Colby
CJ has the better stuff.
Nobody knows how much of Colbys success last year was from the “unknown” factor. It could be that now that the league has a year of data on him guys adjust and his stuff isn’t good enough to sustain the success he had last year.
Not that im predicting this by the way but just throwing it out there
CJ
Simply due to the increase in workload last year, and the short off-season. But, I could be wrong.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it’s a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again."- Terrence Mann (James Earl Jones), Field of Dreams
Also, walk rate.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I actually expect some improvement in the BB/9 for CJ
at least I’m hoping to see that he learned something from Cliffmas.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it’s a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again."- Terrence Mann (James Earl Jones), Field of Dreams
Possibly,
but if it gets worse while the HR/FB regresses, there could be some serious issues.
I still think CJ will be good, but when I did my back of the napkin projections, I regressed his data more than Colby’s.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a "stats" guy,
so we’re already talking about things over my head.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it’s a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again."- Terrence Mann (James Earl Jones), Field of Dreams
Hrm.
What I projected to happen
2011 Colby: 4.0 WAR
2022 WIlson: 3.75 WAR
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by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
You really think Wilson will be pitching in 2022?
"I'll bet you an Internet he puts up a higher OPS than Beltre." | Scoop16 on Michael Young, 2/17/2011
You going to tell him he can't?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
This reminded me of this
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I hate you all.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't you say the same thing about this 'unknown factor'
regarding CJ?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I think his "unknown" factor is different than Colbys
Its not like CJ was facing guys he had never faced before or was coming out with a new pitch that made all his success. His “unknown” was how transitioning from bullpen to rotation would affect his stuff.
Colby hadn’t pitched in the majors in 2 years and even then wasn’t that great of a pitcher. So most guys had either not seen him or if they had , they hadn’t seen the new and improved Colby.
meh
Teams saw him multiple times last year and he was still able to look great against them
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I don't think you were watching Colby pitch carefully
if you think he doesn’t have great stuff too.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
CJ.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you could say ideally
That Holland would step in for CJ if CJ leaves and then Feliz could come in and be the #3 pitcher next year even if he spends all of 2011 as the closer
Believe it when I see it with Holland
Hasn’t gained much confidence exactly. Ideally speaking yeah that is all true, though.
I wonder
what Frankie Francisco is going for these days?
by Jorbert Jorgenson on Mar 16, 2011 10:55 AM CDT reply actions
1 Mike Napoli
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"I am on a drug," Sheen said. "It’s called Charlie Sheen. It’s not available because if you try it you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body."
Not pitching right now
shoulder problems
by Judy'sLewinsky on Mar 16, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that Fx2 deal
is going to be the very definition of turning nothing into something.
If you consider where the Rangers were at the end of the year, Fx2 was injured for the last month and about to be a free agent. The assumption was that the Rangers weren’t even going to offer him arbitration. Next thing you know, the Rangers broker a deal with him whereby he accepts, he then gets traded for Mike Napoli, who will likely be a key player on this year’s team? They went from literally zero value in letting Frankie walk without arbitration, to having a very good player on the team.
Worth noting, the Jays could have had Frankie for the cost of one draft pick had they just signed him back in December before he accepted arbitration…
Regardless, JD made out like a bandit if Napoli contributes at all this year.
Go Rice Owls!
true
Are the Rangers basically paying the Jays the difference between Napoli’s and Frankie’s salaries?
Go Rice Owls!
It was reported as less than $1 million, I believe.
So I’m not sure it was that important. I agree with you about this trade — I think Rangers fans will look back on it and smile broad smiles together.
And I’m a fan of Francisco. (I just worry about him holding up.)
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I agree so much with this.
Fx2 probably doesnt see more than 25 games this year.
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by AceJC on Mar 16, 2011 12:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and we have control of Napoli
through 2012 as well
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yes,
though he’s less of a bargain then.
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by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
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