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Thoughts on Daniels' best/worst moves as GM

I want to extend my thanks to Adam Morris for posting and responding to my article on Jon Daniels' best and worst moves, three apiece. I find constructive criticism incredibly valuable and I'm the better for it having seen Morris' and the commenters' responses. (And that's not hot air: I see no reason why I would dismiss information or criticism that can only help.)

Morris contends that the Millwood deal was better than I gave it credit for, as I listed the Millwood contract under "dishonorable mention." 

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Morris posted a comparison of Millwood's salary along with his dollar value as determined by Fangraphs. While Morris goes through some possible reasons for my ranking of Millwood's deal, he left out a significant reason, and one that influenced my evaluation of the deal. In fact, Morris brings it up himself by contending the fact that Millwood was traded to Baltimore for the final year of the deal -- and it just so happens, the year Millwood was an utter disaster -- makes the deal as a whole encouraging.

While I thought the trade of Millwood was a great move by Daniels, I don't believe he should get credit for that when evaluating the contract as a whole. That deal was still signed by Daniels, and he certainly couldn't have predicted four years earlier that he would get to schlep Millwood off on the Orioles. Thus, while the dealing of Millwood should be considered among Daniels' better moves, the overall contract should all be credited to to Daniels.

Morris goes on to evaluate my own evaluation of the Alfonso Soriano trade as one of his worst. The most important thing to remember here is that hindsight is 20/20, which Morris touches upon when he defends the acquisition of Brad Wilkerson. Actually, I was one of those people that liked Wilkerson a lot. (Wilkerson would later go on to join the Red Sox much to my delight, but didn't pan out.) I didn't think he was better than Soriano, but I was a fan. But does that still justify the outcome? As much as I/others liked Wilkerson, he still failed. And while not all failures are the fault of the GM, there is still some culpability to be had in acquiring a player who did not pan out. At the time, the Soriano trade was a little light, but as Morris covers, the market for Soriano was simply not there. So while it may have been light, it certainly wasn't viewed as terrible. But should you evaluate moves based on information at the time, or the outcome? You have to balance both, but GMs are hired and fired based on production -- just like baseball players, and Daniels produced a poor trade here.

By the way, Morris wonders if my BoSox roots (shill time: Fire Brand of the American League is a Red Sox blog I have been running since Dec. 31, 2003) had any impact on judging the Eric Gagne trade as one of the best deals Daniels has made. I can assure you that my allegiance to the Red Sox had no impact on that evaluation. Gagne was nothing short of brutal, but the Rangers got one of the best fourth outfielders in the game, a hit-or-miss Dominican prospect that has hit so far, and even Kason Gabbard outproduced Gagne according to WAR. Looking at what Texas coughed up and received, that was a fantastic trade.

I believe Daniels is one of the better GMs in the league. Back when he started, working under Tom Hicks and above Buck Showalter is certainly no picnic for any GM, let alone a 28-year-old in his first year on the job. Most importantly, however, none of these bad deals have strangled the club financially or on the field. He's been able to push forward. To his credit, he's really evolved into a fantastic GM.

Thanks again to Adam and the readers for reading and responding to the article, and I hope you join me over at CBS Sports' Eye on Baseball when you need a baseball fix to go along with your Rangers fix.

Evan

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Thanks Evan

for coming over here and giving your thoughts. I think both your and Adam’s points have merit. More than anything, this is what makes both LSB and even more, the conversation that the web allows, so great. We all learn when this dialogue takes place on an open forum.

by aggiecurt05 on Mar 9, 2011 11:37 PM CST reply actions  

Thank you for coming over, Evan

You both make sound arguments, but I’m going to have to agree with Adam on this one.

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by chrisR on Mar 10, 2011 2:45 AM CST reply actions  

Millwood

I disagree that you have to lay the entire deal at JDs feet. In this day and age of FA guys are going to get overpaid. Knowing when to deal a guy before that salary is too huge a burden and way outpaces his production is a attribute that makes a good GM. Signing the deal in the first place which was reasonable enough so that it could be dealt away later was also a good decision.

It doesn’t make a bad deal good by itself but it helps a lot IMO. Lets look at couple other examples.

Vernon Wells: Terrible contract. Why? Because even though Wells was able to be traded, and for a damn nice return IMO, he didn’t produce enough during the deal to make it anywhere near good.

Michael Young: Hasn’t been traded yet but lets assume he does get traded between now and the start of the season. What we get back will ultimately determine how the overall deal looks. As of now he has produced enough to this point to justify the contract SO FAR. Our fear as fans is that his decline will continue and thus the last few years will mean hes making way more than he should. If he was traded today for a decent package I would have to say the deal was a success, regardless of what his production is over the remainder of his contract.

Now if we simply dumped his salary and got back scrubs then yeah that goes along with the deal and makes it a bad contract.

Neither of these are great examples because there is also the PR aspect and the homegrown player aspect which adds another element to the discussion but just as a quick glance and comp I think they work ok.

by bigsteve on Mar 10, 2011 8:22 AM CST reply actions  

Don't those thoughts kind of contradict eachother?

You talk about only looking at performance during the time the player was here as being the main focus of whether the contract was a good one and then say that while Michael Young has been worth his contract so far, if we trade him in a salary dump, it will be a bad contract. Wouldn’t it then be a good contract by those standards? I’m not sure what a reasonable expected return on M. Young would be, but if we just let him go right now after he has been worth the contract so far, I would call that successful.

by CS3 on Mar 10, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

If we are dumping the salary then that salary has to be counted toward JD

If we can trade him for a useful piece (prospect or ML player) then I don’t believe the entire rest of the contract would lay at JDs feet.

And the MY example, like the Wells example, has other aspects to it that a Millwood type signing wouldn’t have. Such as the PR and homegrown player aspect where that player has come up through the teams farm system (yes I know Young was originally with TOR) and broken through to the majors and spent their entire career here thus far its harder to just dump a guy off without reprocussions.

by bigsteve on Mar 10, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

When you say

dumping the salary, do you mean giving the player and contract to another team or us paying for it and giving Young away?

by CS3 on Mar 10, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

ok, that makes more sense.

When I think of a salary dump, I think of giving a player away as long as you don’t have to pay his salary. In this case, essentially giving Michael Young away to not have to pay him

by CS3 on Mar 10, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

If we could find someone who would take back his entire contract

Then I would consider that signing a success because we got what we paid for and then dumped him to someone else to pay in his decline phase. Although the PR and homegornw angle would diminish it somewhat.

by bigsteve on Mar 10, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Millwood

I think I agree with Evan but for a different reason. The state of pitching in the Rangers’ system after 2005 was abysmal. Millwood was brought in to provide stability to the pitching staff. He topped 180IP in two of his four seasons with Texas. So I agree that Millwood should go in the dishonorable mention file.

Also, Padilla should be right next to Millwood.

by RangerMad on Mar 10, 2011 8:50 AM CST reply actions  

What are your thoughts, Morris?

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by Conjunction on Mar 10, 2011 8:52 AM CST reply actions  

nah

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by Walter Sobchak on Mar 10, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for coming over

I actually understand your arguments about Millwood and Soriano – the question really is how much you can blame a GM for trying to compete when a team has no chance.

My biggest question regarding your original article was the dismissal of the Hamilton and the Cruz trade. Particularly the latter, when the Rangers gave up an erratic reliever (Cordero) and two failure outfielders (Nix and Mench) for a future All Star and potential MVP candidate in Cruz, and a rent-a-player (Calros Lee) who became two draft picks that ultimately yielded a piece traded for Cliff Lee (Beavan) and their starting CF (Borbon).

Just because Volquez and Cordero have had non-negligible value to the teams that received them doesn’t mean that they weren’t phenomenal trades for the Rangers (By this argument Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen would just be an honorable mention, since Andersen was awesome that half season and helped Boston reach the playoffs). What they got back in terms of Hamilton and Cruz far, far outweighs getting Murphy back in the Gagne trade, even when you consider the value of what they gave up.

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by JBImaknee on Mar 10, 2011 8:53 AM CST reply actions  

Yep, those were the trades that I would

Have questioned based on his dismissal. They both were very successful trades from the Rangers’ standpoint.

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by NothinG on Mar 10, 2011 9:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Triple post...

..SHIT!

It’s a good list, but what would possess a GM to trade a stud-lefty prospect like Danks and a excellent prospect in Masset for a talented by fragile righty in McCarthy? If a trade doesn’t work out…it happens. But when that happens in a trade when there was seemly no reason FOR that trade, then it should vault to the top of the list.

With the others, you can argue that a prospect can be traded because blocked at the MLB level…or because you are excited by the ceiling of a prospect you will get in return. But I don’t recall anybody ever thinking that McCarthy was going to be better than Danks…and to give away a lefty like that, you better be certain of it.

by Bats and Balls on Mar 10, 2011 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

I think you are

experiencing more revisionist history than you care to realize

by CS3 on Mar 10, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Just pulling this out of my not-so-reliable memory...

but they thought B-Mac was major league/starter ready and could help them contend. They thought Danks was a ways from helping them contend.

by Mike in Reno on Mar 10, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

and he likely could have been

if injuries didn’t plague him. and now, for some reason, I hate him with the fire of 1000 suns. well, not that much, but close enough.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Mar 10, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, as far as Millwood...

…meh.

I think it’s says a lot about a guy when you have to MAKE him work-out harder or get in better shape so that he can be a better leader. While there might be a mistake with regard to giving him more that much money (though I agree with “Morris” we got value there), it’s not like Millwood didn’t have a track record before he got here (NL ERA leader…whatever you think about ERA, it still looks good on a resume). The signing wasn’t a bad one. The mistake is thinking that Millwood was an actual TORP and signing him as such. But that lazy-fuck Millwood didn’t do a whole lot to help in that regard.

by Bats and Balls on Mar 10, 2011 10:17 AM CST reply actions  

Didn't the by

my better is better than your better.

by rangerjake on Mar 10, 2011 10:34 AM CST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Stupid phone

Didn’t the numbers AJM post have Millwood being worth ever so slightly more than his contract even when the last year with Baltimore was included?? It was only when you consider the trade (which I agree, should be evaluated separately than the original contract) that the Rangers actually received more value than they paid. Signing a top flight free agent to a long term contract that they actually overproduce is quite an accomplishment and not something that should count as one of Daniels’ worst move. That is unless you want to attack fangraphs player $ value system, or say that it was a bad idea for the Rangers to sign any big money guy at that point in the franchise’s history. Honestly after the Chan Ho disaster the Millwood deal looks really really good.

my better is better than your better.

by rangerjake on Mar 10, 2011 10:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

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