A solicitation for LSB wisdom...
by benmor78 on May 16, 2011 12:48 PM CDT
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Going to the game on Saturday, I had an incident that I would like the LSB wisdom on. I had to go to the airport to pick up one of my brothers, who I was to then take to the Ranger game. To protect his identity, I'll just say that it was a brother whose name starts with "A." His flight was late, so we were going to be late. When we got near the ballpark, this brother asked me to "drop him off" and go park the car myself.
My position is that you "drop off" grandmothers and girlfriends. You do not "drop off" another male that you're attending a sporting event with. So, of course, when he went to open the door I sped up so that the only way he could get out of the car is if he was willing to tuck and roll.
What say you, LSB community? If you're attending a sporting event with another man, is it okay to ask them to "drop you off?"
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You did the right thing — unless he had some health reason to not walk. Is his leg or foot broken?
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by egriffey on May 16, 2011 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It wasn't because I didn't want to walk
It was because the game had started and I didn’t want to miss any more of it than I had to.
by Adam J. Morris on May 16, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Not trying to take sides but...
Ben probably didn’t want to miss anymore of the game either, and it wasn’t his flight that was late.
by Ranger miker on May 16, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
That makes sense to me
And it sounds like he drove by the entrance anyway, so it wouldn’t have taken any extra effort to stop and let you out. But since it was your flight that made him late, maybe you should have offered to park and drop him off. My uneducated guess is he would have said no, and then felt compelled to make the offer in kind. Or not.
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You shouldn't have to drop another male off at the front door.
But, you should also (at the very least) be prepared to pay for parking on free tickets.
Not if he picked the guy up at the airport.
by Black Francis on May 16, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm gonna go ahead and guess
that ‘brother’ paid for the exit fee at the airport too
by kevinkinsler on May 16, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
the highway through DFW is basically a toll road
even if you just drive through
by kevinkinsler on May 16, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
So do you only pay upon exit?
If so, that would explain how Ben could afford to get in before having AJM pay to get out.
Correct you only pay on exit.
They also have a tolltag reader if you want to pay for it that way without stopping.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Do we know it was DFW though?
If Adam was flying up from Houston thats likely a Southwest flight which comes into Love Field which there is no toll to pay to just drive through and pick someone up at
Well.. since AJM already mentioned he paid the $2 I think we have our answer.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
No, I flew Continental
In large part because it would be easier and more convenient for those picking me up/dropping me off to get to D/FW rather than Love.
by Adam J. Morris on May 16, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
that $2 is a tragedy of untold proportions (eye roll).
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I didn't say it was a tragedy
I answered the question.
by Adam J. Morris on May 16, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not about how much money it cost to go get Adam at the airport
It’s that it’s a beating to go to the airport. Adam said his flight was late, so either Ben was just sitting around waiting for him or he had to keep track of the flight status and all of that to make sure his brother wasn’t stuck there. And from where Ben lives, the airport is far away. In between NW Fort Worth and DFW there is some of the worst traffic in the region, that fucking mess between the North Freeway and Precinct Line.
by Black Francis on May 16, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
And I also had to sit out in front of the terminal for like 45 minutes.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
They're not that expensive
Not if you got in before they started these limited data plans. If you go with 450 minutes a month it’s not a lot more than a regular phone, and some of the apps can actually save you some money (gas price finders, bar code readers). I mean it’s still a luxury but not much of one in 2011.
by Black Francis on May 16, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That was practically my route to indoor drumline rehearsals when I was in high school.
121 → 183 → 820W. I died a little inside every time I made that drive and it was 4 times a week for about 6 months.
I'm a girl.
only if he promises to have a beer and a dog waiting for you at your seat
even then, it doesn’t quite sit right.
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"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Michael Jackson is dead at 50.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Rangers were in the World Series
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 16, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Abe Lincoln attended Play
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on May 16, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Romans up in arms about sassy Jewish carpenter.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
"In the beginning..."
"I love baseball. You know it doesn't have to mean anything, it's just beautiful to watch." - Woody Allen
by Suicide Prince on May 16, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
A snake just hooked my wife up with a sweet apple
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
excellent choice for this Fanpost
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on May 17, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
The only reason to drop someone off is if they need to pick up tix at will call
or purchase tickets… the ill be in our seats with a hamburger and some beers waiting on you would also be acceptable.
by I am Neftali Feliz on May 16, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions
You just make that up?
That’s genus!
"I love baseball. You know it doesn't have to mean anything, it's just beautiful to watch." - Woody Allen
by Suicide Prince on May 16, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol
Was wondering if anyone would catch that.
"I love baseball. You know it doesn't have to mean anything, it's just beautiful to watch." - Woody Allen
by Suicide Prince on May 16, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree 98%
girlfriends and wives walk unless pregnant or 55+….or if they gave polio obv.
Lord have mercy on my rough and rowdy ways.
by TheJeezus on May 16, 2011 12:59 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
have...ugh
Lord have mercy on my rough and rowdy ways.
by TheJeezus on May 16, 2011 12:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think either applies, really.
"I love baseball. You know it doesn't have to mean anything, it's just beautiful to watch." - Woody Allen
by Suicide Prince on May 16, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
The car was already pretty much stopped
We were coming up on a stop sign.
by Adam J. Morris on May 16, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
And you didn't ask to be picked up at the airport?
Just to be let into the car?
by thedudeabides on May 16, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you read the part...
…where I paid for parking at the game, and paid for Ben’s $40 ticket on Saturday and $40 ticket on Sunday?
by Adam J. Morris on May 16, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's in a better position to pay for parking and the tickets?
You, or me? Should I also wipe the hot dog mustard off your mouth in between pitches since I can’t afford tickets and parking?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
if I invite you to a game would you do this for me?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
If you have facial hair
Then they better be good seats. Mustard can be a pain to get out of a mustache or beard.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I would bring wetnaps
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Extremely reasonable of you.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on May 16, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Playing the "who's in a better position to pay" card doesn't work unless someone kidnapped you two and demanded the most financially fit of the group pay for everything
You seem to have a way with biting the hand that repeatedly gives you free stuff.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
He invited me to the game, and then asked me to pick him up at the airport.
I normally would have ridden with our father, thus avoiding the whole parking issue. If he’s going to ask me to come pick him up at the airport and drive him to the game (when he knows my current employment situation) he should be prepared for that.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Did you offer the seat or did he ask?
I take people to the game all the time, but I’m offering for them to go then I consider them my guest.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
N/m, I read the other post. He was right not to let you out.
We go to the game together, we park together. Whether you bought the tickets or not, the chauffeur feeling is never a fun one.
Here's a critical question - did he drive you back to the airport and give you lodging?
Taxi ride from the airport is $40+ plus $40+ to the airport (and DFW is a pain in the ass).
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
He stayed with...
our parents. And me and our parents drove him back to the airport.
But I did have to sit outside the airport gate for 45 minutes to pick him up
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
x
And me and our parents drove him back to the airport.
No, our stepmother drove me to the airport on Sunday, while you sat in the back seat and road.
by Adam J. Morris on May 16, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
So segue...
I have a stepmother as well… my future mother-in-law refers to her as my “mother”. Every time she does this, I always make sure to repeat back my “stepmother” in answering her. Not in a corrective way… I’ve never said “she’s not my mother she’s my stepmother” way… just causally making sure I work the phrase “stepmother” in hoping that she’ll start calling her that.
Drives me nuts.
Interestingly (or not since this is a cs,b), I never refer to my step siblings as anything other than my brother and sister. Probably because my stepmother annoys me and she’s not the first stepmother I’ve ever had… where my brother and sister were 4 and 6 respectively when we joined families and have been my siblings for 20 years.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I dated a girl with a stepfather who she just called her dad,
which is the same thing she called her biological father when saying stuff like “my dad had left by the time I was in kindergarden.” It confused me a great deal at first.
I can't stand it when me Dad's wife's kids call me their brother
or my father their Dad… They have a dad and my dad and their mom have only been married 2 years
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Heh... I've referred to my stepmother as my Dad's wife more than once.
My step siblings have never referred to my dad as their dad though.
They do call me brother, but since I have been most of their lives it feels right.
Though if I got a new step sibling as an adult and they referred to me that way… that would be weird as shit.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
It sucks
plus they are annoying and younger
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
How young?
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
17 or 18 (not sure) and 12
The 17/18 year old girl is the most annoying person ever invented on the face of this planet
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Not knowing if a girl is 17 or 18 has got a lot of guys in trouble.
Its best to be sure.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Only if you're 18 though, right?
I thought 17 was fine if the male was 18 or younger, otherwise 18 is the legal age. I mean, not that I really care or anything. Not that I would ever really, like, NEED this information……
I was talking Statutory rape
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.21.htm#21.11
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
No it's still illegal video tape
17 year olds nekkid. 18 and up you should video tape it so you have evidence that you didn’t rape them (assuming the tape shows that).
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
It's comments like these that make me love LSB.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
It's odd
Dated a girl whose mom was married three times a think. Now she’s just been dating this guy for years (he’s a good dude) and it was always a pain in the ass to explain stories. I.e. “my girlfriend’s mother’s boyfriend’s daughter’s brother-in-law got me into a fight which sucked.” It would be so much easier to say “my girlfriend’s brother-in-law got me into a fight which sucked.”
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
I call my stepmother by her first name, but when I refer to her, I call her my mom
Real mom died first. Dad remarried. Then he died. She then adopted us and raised us from age 15 (me) and 10 (sister).
In college, stepmom remarried, and that dude is and will always be “my mom’s husband.” Although I think he thinks of my sister like a third daughter (my stepsisters claim she’s his favorite).
I’ve had to explain that history a lot.
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
by Brian Thomas on May 16, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
That's sorta odd but not that odd
My friend’s wife died while she was pregnant. She had two sons from a previous marriage, old husband was an ass and my friend terminated the old husband’s parental rights soon before she died. So they’re now his sons and I’m pretty sure they call him dad.
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
My girl will say my parents are coming to town
and I will have to correct her and say no my Mom and Jeff
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
lol, so bitter.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I only have two parents and one brother
The other people came along when I was older
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
step parents are a beating
but not nearly as much as a mother-in-law.
by elvis1isking on May 16, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Mine MIL is ok
she is just old and annoying…
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
mine tries to act young and hip...it's not okay.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Nope
see the 80 year old knows her place
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
80? damn.
I think mine is like 58 of something.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
My mom is in her late 70s and every girl I've dated loves her
I’ve talked to exs and they mention how they miss my parents. Not me mind you, just my parents.
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
I have the best in-laws on earth
I can’t decide who I love more.
Unfortunately they live 13,000 miles away.
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
by Brian Thomas on May 16, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
sounds like the same thing
you can walk
by studcrackers on May 16, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, it's okay...in fact, I say you should of offered to drop him off.
No sense in both of you missing part of the game. Was it because you didn’t want to walk by yourself? I don’t think that’s the case, but that’s what it looks like. You drop him off and he has a beverage waiting for you….win/win…unicorns/glitter…brotherly love
Not Intended To Be A Factual Statement
x
Was it because you didn’t want to walk by yourself?
No, it was because he was mad at me.
by Adam J. Morris on May 16, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
If I hadn't already been mad at you...
your request would have made me mad.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I'm neutral but this incident should be the new movie from Ben Morris Productions!!
You have pov vignettes from both brothers and then the truth of what actually happened.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Rashomorris!
"Napoli batting regularly in Arlington will be the biggest explosion in the American Southwest since Robert Oppenheimer tested the Manahttan Project."
-- RevHaloFan
Maybe I should also point out...
that the last time I was asked to pick you up at the airport, you were going to interview Chuck Greenberg and you thoughtfully suggested that I wait in the car with my Kindle while you did so.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Did he at least provide the chauffer's cap?
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
That was because you dressed like a hobo
And you didn’t wait in the car.
by Adam J. Morris on May 16, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
If you ever interview Nolan Ryan
I will personally pay for Ben’s tuxedo rental.
by Black Francis on May 16, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
And if you are interviewing one of the money men behind Nolan
I offer a top hat and a cane, too.
by Black Francis on May 16, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Rockin' the Teva's?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
You should have told him the dress code
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
This whole thing is entertaining the hell out of me
This is like the time between me and my oldest brother who’s a VP of a company. I’d buy presents for his seven (seven!) boys every christmas (video games and what not) and one year all I got was a family picture of them. He’s seventeen years older than me, a VP and that’s all I get? So I cut them off of christmas presents (plus I hate christmas shopping) and his wife is not my biggest fan now.
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
Oh, and not taking a side
I’ve met and had beers with Ben and Adam helped me out in finding an attorney referral in DFW. Still funny.
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
If your brother is 17 years older than you...
Are his kids even that much younger?
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Not really
I’m 38 and he’s 55 I reckon. So his oldest son must be 25 or so I think. I know I was in middle school when he was born. They’re old enough to take care of themselves. I didn’t buy anyone anything last year for Christmas since I was taking my folks to Boston and figured my brothers should be happy enough with that.
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
You were right, and his wife sounds terrible
one year all I got was a family picture of them.
That is one hell of an arrogant gift for xmas. A family photo? I guarantee she’s the one in charge of gifts, too.
You should make next year’s gift a charitable donation in each kid’s name to the Human Fund.
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
by Brian Thomas on May 16, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
How about a 30-year savings bond for $50?
They have a long, long time before they’re useful and when they are, they still aren’t because they’re not worth that much.
How about a 30-year savings bond for $100 at high school graduation? They get access to $100 when they turn 48!
Asking me to wait in the car...
is fucked up whether I waited in the car or not.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
That's kind of mean
Sadly, what I’ve come to expect.
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
by Brian Thomas on May 16, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Awww, this makes me sad.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
How old is AJM?
Ben’s 32/33.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Just wanted an age disparity frame of reference.
My younger brother is 8 years younger than me. The next time he and my younger sister pay for something when we go out will be the first. Though I’m Ben’s age and they are 24 and 27.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
We need to get a goET series preview
Detailing AJM vs. Ben.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I want some version of RAR too.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Did you already have tickets in hand?
Or did they have to be picked up at Will Call?
If they were at will call and AJM gotten out of the car early, he could have gone to his seat for just a few minutes.
Seems like a whip to turn around and find Ben to give him his ticket a few minutes later.
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
How does this affect the top 50 Rangers?
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
One element I haven't been able to fully catch.
If AJM gets out of the car when he wants to… has he already given money to Ben for parking… or is it a way of escaping and forcing Ben to either pay for parking or park far enough away that he can park for free and walk the mile and a half?
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
He offered to give me the parking money.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I don't think it was right for AJM to treat you like his personal driver..
just because he bought the tickets. He invited, right? Doesn’t mean he can treat you wrongly.
Unless he said something to the effect of “Hey drop me off here, since we’re late, you park the car and i’ll buy us a couple of sodas/beers that way we don’t have to wait in line.”
Instead, it makes it seem like he’s the 12 year old embarrassed to be seen with his father so he asks you to drop him off a block away from the event. lol
as the morris bros turn
I am coming for you, Mark Lowe.
You’d better run, because there will be more with me.
I WILL DESTROY YOU MARK LOWE. ---LSJ 3/24
if yall are getting butthurt over something so little id hate to hear what
you guys think about some of the asshole moves I have pulled in my day.
by I am Neftali Feliz on May 16, 2011 2:29 PM CDT reply actions
They should have just ditched the game and went to a strip club and could have paid for each others lap dancves.
It’s a win win win.
jeff woowoo approves
I am coming for you, Mark Lowe.
You’d better run, because there will be more with me.
I WILL DESTROY YOU MARK LOWE. ---LSJ 3/24
We'd probably think you acted like an asshole.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I want to see you and TDT post a "he said/she said" just like the Brothers Morris.
I imagine the scenario would be a lot more colorful.
- I survived the 2011 Opening Weekend LSB Tailgate Party -
by Mike the Grate on May 16, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
probably a lot dumber too. ive heard TDT get in an argument with River Fenix's librarian gf about books
literally worst argument/conversation ever.
by I am Neftali Feliz on May 16, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Ben, your hesitance to conform to your brother's wish tells me you may have unresolved feelings of jealousy towards Adam.
Perhaps you didn’t want him to get to the game first because he was always first for everything in life?
And Adam, though one we can all relate to, your demand was indeed a selfish one. Is not the point of family baseball outings the times of togetherness they afford?
Perhaps we can all take a lesson from these brothers’ conflict.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
by jam0152 on May 16, 2011 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
hear, hear
I’m calling my little brother right now just to say, “I’m sorry.”
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Heh
I figure my middle brother and I are even. He got his first concussion from me; I have a permanent indentation in my scalp from him. I don’t think my younger brother or I ever left any lasting physical marks on the other, though we did have our share of fights.
"Napoli batting regularly in Arlington will be the biggest explosion in the American Southwest since Robert Oppenheimer tested the Manahttan Project."
-- RevHaloFan
I have a half brother that I don't talk to very often.
When he was 3 and I was 11, I decided to try and experiment on him while he slept.
I gave him tiny little pinches on his leg with my fingernails… not hard enough to leave a mark or really hurt… but pinches nonetheless. While I did this I whispered that ants were crawling on him and biting him. He started crying in his sleep and I stopped and I felt awful.
I still apologize for that over 20 years later about once every couple of years. He doesn’t even remember it.
He is deathly afraid of ants for some reason though.
I made that last part up. He’s not afraid of ants.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
damn, that's evil!
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I was just curious!
I didn’t really think about what would happen.
But yeah… it was shitty.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
i absolutely took a baseball bat to my little bro's face when I was like 10 years old
He was 7 at the time and still lets me hear about that story often.
I am coming for you, Mark Lowe.
You’d better run, because there will be more with me.
I WILL DESTROY YOU MARK LOWE. ---LSJ 3/24
My brother hit me in the forehead with a kitchen broom when I was about 10, he was 12
I had to get a bunch of stiches above my right eye.
exploding highfive
I sprayed mace in my brothers eyes when I was like 6...I didn't mean to though.
But then he hit puberty and has been able to kick my ass for 20+ years…he’s a fucking beast.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
My dad would take it with him jogging in case a dog started chasing him.
Smart man, my dad.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
yea my brother ended up on the wrestling team and is about twice my size
fuck my life
I am coming for you, Mark Lowe.
You’d better run, because there will be more with me.
I WILL DESTROY YOU MARK LOWE. ---LSJ 3/24
I just called my middle brother to tell him that his wife is a dumb bitch.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
by Aqua on May 16, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you trick her into showing you her boobs again?
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
I would kill myself right now
But I don’t want that to be the last mental picture I ever have.
You’re fucking gross, Jihad.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
That bad huh?
You should pitch in for an augmentation
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
I have no idea.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Assumptions were made
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 16, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I had really hoped that wasn't what you were going for...
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
You know, not a damn day goes by when my brother doesn't call me a dipshit....
….dumbass, retard and such, but I don’t choose to stay upset over the fact. You two are almost older than our combined ages and it seems like the both of you haven’t even grown up.
"We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames." ~ RW
"This game belongs to Elvis Andrus.
Not just the game today, the entire sport of baseball." `GoET; 4/4/11
Dipshit
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 16, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
for me its Vinny Chase and Johnny Drama
especially the “Chuck Greenberg/wait in the car” subplot
This is sort of par for the course when it comes to dealing with attorneys...
incidentally.
They are used to telling their staff to do something, even if it’s ridiculous, and not being questioned. Their staff will just say, “okay, he wants me to open his Coke for him, I’d better do it.” “Oh, he wants me to drop him off, I’d better do that.”
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
If I tell the staff around here to do something ridiculous, I usually tell them that I know it is a ridiculous request.
That was trained into me when I was on the staff side of the equation.
- I survived the 2011 Opening Weekend LSB Tailgate Party -
by Mike the Grate on May 16, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not what staff is supposed to do
There’s an attorney here who is incapable of shutting the main door despite the fact it’s the middle of winter, -20 outside and there’s only a screen door that shuts behind him. Then my assistant has to get up and go shut it behind him so she doesn’t freeze to death. Once I locked the door so he couldn’t get back in. He’s now a partner and we don’t get along so good.
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
Where do you work that has a screen door?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Most firms are in trailer parks in Wyoming
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 16, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Damn, you're on fire in this thread.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
We work in two houses next to each other
One is a historic house and mine is the party anex. Great location since we’re near the Capitol, Supreme Court building, State Law Library and the Federal Courthouse. But yeah, I work in a house converted into offices.
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
standard practice in Lil' D.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Yea but employees pretty much just have to do what the boss says
But I agree that’s stupid. I will give out some shit work, but I do it with respect.
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Funny
This whole thing is pretty funny. My brother passed away when I was a little kid, so except for friends who had brothers and sisters, I have no experience with the whole sibling thing.
All this happened on Saturday or maybe Friday? Adam, a forty year old attorney, is still mad enough about the incident to post about it on his blog. His blog has probably thousands of readers…it’s not some random livejounral. I’m not surprised Ben made a fanpost in retort. What do you do when someone complains about you to a thousand or however many people? Sit there and do nothing? Not if you’re a member of that blog community, if you do disappear for long stretches at a time.
And I don’t say that to make Adam out like a bad guy. I genuinely find this little spat amusing. It’s a Seinfeld episode.
I'm not mad
We got into a discussion about who was being reasonable/unreasonable, and I said at the time, “I’ll put it up on LSB and see what they say.”
by Adam J. Morris on May 16, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
This being your go-to for crowdsourcing probably means you are royally fucked.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
This is probably also a good time to point out...
that a number of years ago I caught a Mench foul ball and Adam said I needed to give him the ball because they were his tickets.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on May 16, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Haha
“Maybe I should also point out…”, “This is probably also a good time to point out…”, you should make a series out of this.
It's good to know that even with the Tweed Suit Show canceled,
we still have our old standbies to watch.
Actually
You didn’t catch it, you picked it up when it rolled down the aisle towards where you were sitting. You weren’t Ferris Bueller with your glove, catching a pop fly.
And second, I said, “Give it to me.” And you asked why. And I said, “Because they were my tickets, and you won’t appreciate it.”
And you refused, and then either your dog chewed the ball up or else you lost it, proving my point.
by Adam J. Morris on May 16, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Actually, I immediately took it home and threw it in the garbage...
while screaming “Here’s your fucking Mench foulball, asshole.”
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on May 16, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 22 recs
If there hasn't been a Ralphie beating up the bully with tears streaming down his face screaming profanity
Moment between Ben and Adam yet, its long overdue.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Okay, I'm crying now.
I can’t believe I’ve missed out on this until just now.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Sorry Adam but I have to side with Ben on the foul ball issue
If you really wanted the ball you should have been down on your knees fighting for it before Ben got to it.
Or at the very least he should have had one of his office staff go retrieve a foul ball for him.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
by Brad on May 16, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or just realize that since it was Ben's twin that hit the foul ball
that Ben should get it anyway.
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 16, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
No, I agree
I don’t blame him for not giving it to me.
by Adam J. Morris on May 16, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
you didnt deserve
to get out of the car early and you didnt deserve that foul ball
by studcrackers on May 16, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
you were right not to drop him off Ben
but Adam was right to ask too. Gotta take a shot
Input from the third brother, who didn't get an invite at all...unless you count being invited to babysit as an invititation
I would be willing to bet that Adam did something that he knew would frustrate ben, simply to try to frustrate ben. He then probably commanded Ben to do something, which is usually not the way to get ben to do anything.
Ben, on the other hand, probably tried to maintain a little bit of control over his situation and got mad when someone tried to exert some control over him.
For some reason, they both revert to when they were living in Austin everytime they are around each other…
And I would like to point out: I didn’t get an invite! So ben, be thankful for that. And Adam, stop acting like dad…
by bmuney on May 16, 2011 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 12 recs
HOLY SHIT.
MARK THE TIME!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I should probably explain that a little further
I am actually the fourth brother (or half brother, if you prefer), but of the four, I am the third that reads the blog…
Wow that made it even more unclear…
I bet a half brother gets really shit on
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
He's the one being sent to the Wall to his uncle.
/Game of Thrones
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
To further that analogy...
I would actually be the dwarf Lannaster.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
He also generally pays for it.
- I survived the 2011 Opening Weekend LSB Tailgate Party -
by Mike the Grate on May 16, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
he was so much younger...
that there was only really me around to shit on him.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Big brothers generally still win
My younger brother is much stronger than me because he works in the oilfield and does manual labor. He’s also is about 30 pounds heavier although I am 4 inches taller… but he still can’t take me. I have older brother mind power
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
I am only 2 1/2 years older though
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Ben is a smoking dwarf though
brother mind power can only go so far
God may have created man...
But Sam Colt made them equal.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Unfortunately my little brother is more of a gun nut than me.
I’m WAY better with handguns, but he has a tactical shot gun and 30-06 that he’s quite good with.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
+1. I have the same problem/success.
I spent our entire childhood taking advantage of his gullibility when listening to me. He has been bitten by dogs fetching baseballs over the fence, hurt himself on way too tall bike ramps, etc.
I thought you only existed in folklore and shit
by Black Francis on May 16, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
My mind is blown
I urge all of you to rec this fanpost if for no other reason because the other brother has come and made himself known to us.
by Black Francis on May 16, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
You could have paid for his flight
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
I wouldn't have gone anyways,
I just wanted to bitch
Don't cave in to him!
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I already had plans
to destroy a little bit of my liver after finals.
This is Seth's favorite uncle, by the way
by Adam J. Morris on May 16, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Seth will never be on my shit list.
Seth is awesome. He’s a kid I can relate to.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Seth is awesome
I gotta eventually teach him the rest of “from the window, to the wall”
I’ll keep it clean, adam.
Have you met Ben?
No.
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
He has Bens autograph.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
EPIC THREAD IS EPIC!
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Crazy talk.
Thread of the year thus far.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I don't recall that one.
What was so special about it?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
It was my birthday.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Holy shit, that was the birth of LSJ Science.
Now I remember.
The whole goET/TNT convo wasn’t funny to me.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
It's pretty good
though I think it only would be a solid #4 seed in a thread tourney…
Go Rice Owls!
Matt Harrison - once upon a time a good #3 starter...
Which pool? 2011 only or all time?
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Spanish Beltre near the top for you?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
That and the Zombie Blalock thread are my personal favorites.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
that's pretty good
the auction threads are a clear #1 seed as well. Tom Hicks probably inspired several candidates…
Go Rice Owls!
Matt Harrison - once upon a time a good #3 starter...
I thought the one where you admitted to reading every single one of my posts was pretty funny.
Just personally, cause, you know, that’s fucking ridiculously creepy.
by brettgardner on May 16, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I never admitted that at all.
Just that I went through and read several of them.
I spent about 30 minutes on it.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Oh, well that's much better.
Apologies.
by brettgardner on May 16, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe some hate batin was involved
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
I don't generally masturbate in anger
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
It was interesting.
In the comparatively short time I’ve posted on LSB you haven’t posted that frequently… rarely ever in the baseball discussions.
You tend to attack people you don’t know… and you’re a self admitted asshole.
You went after me in a very personal way, challenging my life decisions and commenting that I work at Pep Boys since I’m a high school drop out.
I wanted to get a better understanding on who you were on this site and how others have interacted with you since my experience was pretty shitty.
After getting a larger sample size I was considerably less pissed off. Partially because the moment passed and partially because you’re not an asshole 100% despite my SSS.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I just looked at how it started.
You and Aqua were having the most ridiculous fucking argument of all time. I said
Please shut up. This is ridiculous.
Now, I would say this to absolutely anyone, but it apparently got you in a tizzy, cause then we get
Yeah
But I don’t give a fuck what brettgardner has to say on any topic.
Well, to me, that means it’s open season on ball-busting. You getting butt-hurt is part of the game.
by brettgardner on May 16, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
And I admitted later that it was my fault.
And it was.
I had seen you attack others and had you locked in my mind as a completely and total jerk. And my comment was directed towards that.
You can be an asshole (as clearly, so can I) but it was unfair of me to think that someone who has posted on here for a considerable length of time was nothing but an asshole.
And hypocritical for me to call you out since I’m not quite a saint either.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Now we can get a round of McDonald's cokes.
by brettgardner on May 16, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
2 dollars!
Y’all could drive through the airport instead
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on May 16, 2011 6:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Chicken E sweet tea is where it's at
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
No.
Tea is gross. I gave tea an honest try. Two of the guys I work with are tea fiends… one is English.
I have sampled all sorts of black teas and green teas and herbal teas. Different steeping methods, iced or hot.
Some taste better than others… and a few are okay enough that I don’t have to spit it on the ground in disgust.
But not a single tea drink I’ve ever had was actually worth drinking. The best it got for me was it wasn’t terrible.
Alternatively… Coca-Cola tastes great. All the time.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Well sweet tea is black tea.
According to my understanding. And I was just commenting that I’ve given tea a proper try.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Heh.
History
The oldest known recipe for sweet ice tea was published in 1879 in a community cookbook called Housekeeping in Old Virginia by Marion Cabell Tyree, who was born in Texas. The recipe called for green tea. In fact, most sweet tea consumed during this period was green tea. However, during World War II, the major sources of green tea were cut off from the United States, leaving them with tea almost exclusively from British-controlled India which produced black tea. Americans came out of the war drinking predominantly black tea.3
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Sweet tea is just sweetened black tea on ice.
Black tea indicates the leaves… not the color of the tea.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Heh.
You keep saying “black tea” which keeps making you sound more and more like you’ve never had sweat tea. I’ve never heard anyone in the land of proper sweet tea call iced tea “black tea.” That sounds British/tea-snob-ish, and their tea isn’t the same thing.
You can’t just add sugar to iced tea and get sweet tea. That’s nasty. The whole trick is that you add the sugar while making it, to get it supersaturated. Then you add some more sugar, just to be safe. “Sweet tea” is just a more convenient name than “tea flavored sugar water.”
Sweat tea sounds gross.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
And I've had Lipton's and restaurant tea.
One of the guys isn’t English… he’s Texan and sweet teat is his favorite drink.
I’ve tried a lot of tea. It would be convenient if I could enjoy it… but it sucks. No way around it.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I was hoping you just hadn't tried it,
but it sounds like you’re actually broken. :(
Liptons could suck for all I know, I’m very skeptical that it would be good without massive extra amounts of sugar, but I trust that the guy who likes sweet tea knows what’s good.
Coca-Cola is disgusting..
"Look if you want a journalist hire a UT grad. If you want a doctor you pick a Baylor grad. If you need a vet you see an Aggie grad. And if you need a pizza you call a Tech grad." -BUBacker
I do it from time to time while naked.
Is that creepy?
No, I don’t think so.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Is there jello involved?
(Hopes you’ve seen Real Genius)
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Is that your life story?
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 16, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're just mad because the voters have spoken.
And what the voters have said is “Adam’s an asshole.”
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Everyone already knew I was an asshole.
Adam’s assholery, I think, is more revelatory.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Well he is a marriage-smasher
so there is some assholishness to be expected
Less so than you'd think.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Guess who's going to get another email with an education bubble story?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
all it needs is you talking about my sister...
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
And I flagged this comment as "inappropriate"
No way this should be deleted.
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
Absolutely not!
This thing is gold.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Wait. Is this not normal?
How do you pee?
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on May 16, 2011 6:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
How do you fuck around on your Droid/I-phone/Blackberry without sitting down?
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
This thread needs a sponsor
like Massengill.
Or the University of Phoenix.
Rangers beat Redsox. my pleasure. :) -- South Korea's own DemianBlue, 4/2/2011
I love this thread.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Peacepipe
why don’t you two just smoke the peacepipe and agree that the Rangers need a new PBP guy. Especially after how he didn’t know that a bunt foul with two strikes results in a strikeout.
We're not really mad still.
He just send me one of his patented nonsensical IM’s and I asked if I could fill in for him on the Podcast in Arlington. Just because we talk like this doesn’t mean we’re mad.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
You're brothers.
Its allowed.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I'm a lot of things to a lot of different people but.........
….my favorite thing to be is the big brother to my 2 younger brothers (I’m 35 they are 33 and 30).
This post and Adam’s post are awesome, both for the comedy they have provided, and for making me think back to some of the crazy/dumb/mean things my siblings and I have put each other thru.
"Whenever I'm about to do something, I think 'Would an idiot do that?' And if they would, I do not do that thing."
Well I'm glad I came in this thread.
"Look if you want a journalist hire a UT grad. If you want a doctor you pick a Baylor grad. If you need a vet you see an Aggie grad. And if you need a pizza you call a Tech grad." -BUBacker
I'm not sure I know what to say.
Would you mind cleaning it up before you leave?
"Ooooh....I want some fucking pancakes!" son of willamos2
by Parman on May 17, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Well...
Herbie Palota says Adam should pull the tampon out and walk from the parking spot like a man.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
You are mistaking the JD for a tampon
We are a very self interested group of people.
At least from my observation.
Yeah...
I posted earlier in this thread about how attorneys tend to think everyone should do things for them as a result of their interactions with their staffs on a day-to-day basis.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Us against the world
"Look if you want a journalist hire a UT grad. If you want a doctor you pick a Baylor grad. If you need a vet you see an Aggie grad. And if you need a pizza you call a Tech grad." -BUBacker
It's silly even by benmor78 standards
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Find me a non lawyer who agrees.
I just want to see one.
Lawyers and surgeons are the two worst professions to support.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Nonsense
Yeah, a bunch of lawyers and surgeons treat their staffs like garbage, but that’s a reflection of their personal ability to manage and lead people.
You can find plenty of government bureaucrats, bankers, educators, convenience store owners, and numerous other employers who treat their staffs like crap.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Sure... but the ratio is disproportionate for those professions.
You have a much greater chance of having to support a difficult boss / client if they are a lawyer or a surgeon than any other profession in my experience and that of others I’ve worked with.
Not all lawyers are that way. But plenty are… perhaps even most.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I treat my people like we are all in this together
You know… equals for the most part
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 17, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Because the office IS in it together.
A secretary or paralegal is your ally, not some inanimate object like a tool.
by FuturePants on May 17, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
And associates
I don’t haze them much
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 17, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I've always been the low attorney at every firm I've worked at.
But I can’t imagine being too hard on them whenever I have/work with some.
I have had a lot of dick head bosses
I don’t want to be put in the category for someone else
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
I've always been the high man on the totem pole
Even when I was a lowly associate, I was the firm’s landlord.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I think it's a matter of that type of arrogant, hardass personality being attracted those professions more than others
Plus, those are typically professions with a lot of stress, time sensitivity, and pressure surrounding the workload.
Add those two circumstances together and yeah, it’s a recipe for poor staff treatment by bosses who would still probably treat their staffs poorly no matter their profession.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Also probably
because lawyers are used to advocating what is best for their side, not what is “fair”. It doesn’t lend itself to getting folks who care about what is best for all parties.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
This screams of "I'm talking out of my ass about something I can't possibly know for sure."
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I'm in a support profession.
IT for 13 years now holmes. I’ve been in the banking/mortgage industry for 15 years.
We have by my count 13 attorneys working in this building for our company and several outside firms. Foreclosure and Bankruptcy attorneys are about half and the rest are just corporate counsel for contracts, etc.
My rough guess is that I’ve probably worked with at least 5 times that number over my career. We’ll say 50 for a round number and that is probably conservatively low.
That profession stands out as among the most demanding and demeaning in how it deals with its support staff.
The surgeon bit is not from personal experience, but IT people talk and it is a commonly held opinion from people that have worked with them. Dentists are close on that list as well.
Now… any time someone who hasn’t done real research on a topic gives an opinion they are technically talking out their ass. General life experience isn’t enough to publish results and draw definitive conclusions.
But if you poll support personnel, IT people for certain, especially those that consult and get to work with all different sorts of professions, I have strong expectations that you will find them making similar statements to my own.
Additionally… I’d like to see one non-lawyer refute this widely held concept. Every single commenter who has taken issue with Ben’s remarks has been a lawyer with obvious bias.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
So your evidence for such wide-ranging pronouncements is entirely anecdotal.
Or based on secondhand conversations.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Correct.
So your statement about being talking out my ass is valid as I indicated above.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Lawyers are dicks
but sometimes it takes a dick to fuck an asshole
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Oh I don't.
As Aquaman rightly pointed out… I’m using anecdotal experience and secondhand conversations.
But I don’t know anyone in the IT world that disagrees.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
That's like saying all IT people are assholes.
I don’t know anyone in my family who disagrees!
by brettgardner on May 17, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, that's probably much better evidence.
I at least know most of my immediate family.
by brettgardner on May 17, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh.
Most if not all hopefully.
And IT people can be assholes. There’s a whole SNL sketch about it.
But that’s a drop in the bucket compared the ocean of lawyer jokes.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
IT people love talking down to people
even though they are scrawny little geeks
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Lawyer jokes? WTF does that have to do with anything?
HEY EVERYONE, POLISH PEOPLE SUCK, JUST LOOK AT THE JOKES PEOPLE TELL ABOUT THEM!!!
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I never heard Polish jokes growing up
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
You just heard weird variations on bringing knives to gunfights.
by brettgardner on May 17, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Stupid Polish acting like Mexicans
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Well, I didnt either
Not a whole lot of Polish folks running around Stamford and Albany that needed mocking.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I wish there were though
I could go to wikipedia and learn what I need to get them good.
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
It indicates a perception held about lawyers.
You can argue that the perception isn’t a reflection of reality. But that is the perception.
My personal small sample size of reality has a handful of lawyers as the worst people I’ve ever personally supported and the ones I generally have to talk to after pissing off my staff.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I guess if you knew all other IT people it would be meaningful.
Making an extremely broad statement like that is likely to encounter some resistance. I don’t think attorneys (who doubtless know more and deal with more attorneys than IT or probably any other profession) chiming in with refutation of the claim is necessarily “bias.”
We’re all going on what we know, it’s just that lawyers would have much more information about this kind of thing.
by brettgardner on May 17, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm comfortable stereotyping my own kind as should you be.
I’m also comfortable making sweeping generalizations about groups of people I don’t even have much familiarity with just because I’m narrow minded, so I may not be the best person to be in this conversation :-)
Not my kind yet.
I’ve dealt with a lot of attorneys, but I haven’t really expressed an opinion on this. I haven’t dealt with many assholes, but my pool is relatively small.
by brettgardner on May 17, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with WestTxAg's much earlier statement.
I think it’s a matter of that type of arrogant, hardass personality being attracted those professions more than others
Plus, those are typically professions with a lot of stress, time sensitivity, and pressure surrounding the workload.
Add those two circumstances together and yeah, it’s a recipe for poor staff treatment by bosses who would still probably treat their staffs poorly no matter their profession.
That’s the nail on the head. I would really like to see a study of support personnel and which professions they find the most difficult to support.
To google!
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Probably true - they get waaaay to bent out of shape
Myself included. But I just finished a brief for a partner with a legal associate and she remarked how calm I was. Thought it was cute. I told her panicking isn’t going to get it done more quickly. Some attorneys want shit done for them, I prefer to get it done and if that means getting help then you get it.
One of the most important things I learned (through myself and others) was be nice to court clerks. Some are idiots but some can really help you when you need it.
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
One thing I've noticed from LSB
is that lawyers here tend to be a lot more sensitive to criticism of their profession than most other professions. Again, totally anecdotal since I don’t interact with attorneys in general. But at least the people I do interact with (biologists, engineers, med students, computer scientists) are very willing to acknowledge their professions’ stereotypes (fair and unfair) and even have fun with them. A little self-deprecation goes a long way…
And, as we all know from real life, sensitivity to teasing is one thing that perpetuates said teasing.
Go Rice Owls!
Matt Harrison - once upon a time a good #3 starter...
I don't really agree with this
But even if it were true, it seems pretty understandable. Do you really think biologists have to defend their profession to other people as often as lawyers?
by brettgardner on May 17, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah... PETA and anti-stem cell advocates
Go Rice Owls!
Matt Harrison - once upon a time a good #3 starter...
My fiancee doesn't like talking about her lab work.
Because she works with mice and rats and they have to euthanize at some point.
That’s tough subject for a lot of people.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
depending on where you live you have to be careful
San Diego is, fortunately, pretty friendly since bio-tech is such a big industry.
I’d be very wary of doing animal research in the UK though. Animal researchers there have to be guarded by police many times.
Go Rice Owls!
Matt Harrison - once upon a time a good #3 starter...
And you think that's comparable to the nearly-universal revile for lawyers?
Just the other day I just had a person I’m pretty close to sneer at me for choosing such a “terrible” profession.
This was at my graduation.
by brettgardner on May 17, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
It's laughable to think that the "criticism" of biologists is at all comparable to that of lawyers
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Well, that really wasn't my point
but I’m glad that you and BG are trying to prove that lawyers are incredibly sensitive nonetheless.
Go Rice Owls!
Matt Harrison - once upon a time a good #3 starter...
It's funny that you think explaining context makes someone sensitive.
It’s an effective tool to cut off opposing viewpoints, I guess.
by brettgardner on May 17, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: I have a friend who I go to sporting events with on a fairly regular basis.
He will often start chanting “Emo [my work nickname] beats his wife!” over and over again. I get some strange looks.
DISCLOSURE: I do not, in fact, beat my wife.
- I survived the 2011 Opening Weekend LSB Tailgate Party -
by Mike the Grate on May 17, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, so you finally quit beating her?
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
After considerable persuasion.
- I survived the 2011 Opening Weekend LSB Tailgate Party -
by Mike the Grate on May 17, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
well, being all lawyer-y
with your interpretation of what I said to mean that I’m equating the “plight of biologists” to the “plight of lawyers” is itself not great for rational discourse.
All I said was that we can have fun with occupation related teasing. Maybe I don’t fully appreciate the underappreciatedness of your job. But then again, most lawyers get paid an order of magnitude more than most biologists. So I’m not going to feel sorry for that.
Go Rice Owls!
Matt Harrison - once upon a time a good #3 starter...
Yes
And murdered and harassed and stalked and threatened.
Your point?
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
ah... I was going to write a rationale response
but this line of discourse is oh so much more fun. No one tries to kill lawyers for just for being lawyers…
Go Rice Owls!
Matt Harrison - once upon a time a good #3 starter...
I suppose you could argue that killing a lawyer for being an asshole,
is not entirely distinct from killing one for being a lawyer.
:D
Uhh, actually they do
People have tried to kill numerous lawyers for providing defense of unpopular people, positions, and professions, and for fighting to correct wrongs and injustices.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I've never needed a lawyer... yet.
At least not personally. Legalzoom did my will.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
A Legalzoom will is a terrible idea
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
With no kids and an uncomplicated estate?
What does it do poorly?
Not that I’m saying you’re wrong. I’m just curious.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I've never looked at that website.
Do they tailor it based on the state you live in?
- I survived the 2011 Opening Weekend LSB Tailgate Party -
by Mike the Grate on May 17, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I assume so.
They did want to know what state it was for.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Estate and property laws differ so much from state to state
The “avoid a lawyer” websites are not known for keeping a close watch on the distinctions. One misstep in the execution or drafting can have huge consequences down the road (even if not apparent at the time).
People are also bad about executing a simple will early on and then not updating their will over the years as property and family considerations increase. So if you’re still relying on that Legalzoom will down the road, the chance of a disaster increases even more.
I draft a simple will for $200. I don’t know what a Legalzoom will costs, but it’s not so much cheaper that it’s worth the gamble IMO. Particularly when a good estimate for the cost of a will contest if ~$50,000.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
It was 50 I think?
The cost wasn’t even the issue… its the convenience of the internet.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Understandable
But trading a little bit of convenience for the big downside is unwise, IMO.
And I say that as someone who does a lot of estate planning for folks via phone/email/mail to make it as convenient as possible.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I nailed pretermitted children
on the bar exam. I don’t remember much now
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
That's gross, man.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
FP does.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Nor should anyone.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I don't agree with this.
There are bad apples and bad police institutions. I liken it to politicians, except more productive. Many people are fucked over by the police. I don’t hate the police for the most part, but I will never say “ever”.
There people who suck at their job at every profession.
That doesn’t mean all police officers suck.
And I’d like to take this time to note that I never said all lawyers were difficult to support… just more difficult than other professions.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
When certain institutions
allow suckiness to fuck people’s lives up, they are not above reproach. Overall, not problem w/ the police though.
Yeah
This place has a lot of lawyers and the law is such a derided profession. Of course you’re going to see more response out of the lawyers than some other profession.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I like making fun of lawyers
I don’t talk or act like much of one though. I consider myself more of a businessman.
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Same here
I’m an entrepreneur whose initial business venture is a law practice.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
My undergrads in biology
So yeah, I get way more shit as an attorney.
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
I'd like to see one non-IT worker refute the hypothesis that IT workers are abnormally hard to deal with
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
And I don't mean to degrade IT workers
I’m just annoyed that “IT workers think lawyers are assholes” is a sufficient basis for a hypothesis that lawyers treat their staffs miserably.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I wonder if there's been a study.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
ALL YOU NERDS ARE THE SAME!
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Developers that work in a business where the business isn't software.
Are support personnel.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
My worthless opinion
For several years I worked for a consultancy that was a part of a very large joint venture down in Austin, a highway construction project. My job was eminent domain lawsuits, so I became very familiar with a lot of the lawyers at OAG as well as ED defense attorneys, who tended to be the same guys over and over again. And since my office was in a building with a bunch of engineers and HR and other various consulting outfits, I had experience with the IT department, too.
I never had a problem with anybody. The IT guys could be a bit odd and I did hear older people around the office say they were rude. Never to me, though. I found them easy to work with, and over the years I’d say there were about fifteen I dealt with. The senior guy was there the whole time, but among his people there was a lot of turnover.
All the attorneys were pretty cool. I got to be friends with several. Many did have a bit of an attitude, but once you got to know them they were almost universally good people. Even when I fought tooth and nail against them.
by Black Francis on May 17, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
It's funny that you accuse the lawyers of the board of bias
When your personal experiences have clearly biased you.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
That doesn't mean that there isn't lawyer bias.
We can all sink in this ship together. I have no problem dying if I take others with me.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Lawyers just think they are superior.
Most believe they are vastly superior to the people they deal with on a daily basis.
Especially when they are told so everyday for three years…
We weren't told that
We were told you will work 70 hours a week and be someone’s little bitch for a few years.
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 17, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I have had a vastly different law school experience
It has mostly involved all my classmates telling each other how smart they are and everyone else around the law school saying the exact same thing.
Oddly enough, I have never had a professor tell anyone how much they will be working. It has just been assumed that 70 hrs is the minimum.
Well many of the students do think they are know-it-alls
Lawyers are a cocky people
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
What do professors know about working, anyway?
/Burn
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Wouldn't it be sweet to be a law professor and practice at the same time?
Man that would rule. I think I’d really enjoy that.
Because practicing wouldn't be enough work?
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
9-5
Teach in the evenings. I know plenty who do
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
I would have thought it more than a 40 hour a week job.
Or is that only when you’re grinding your way up?
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
It depends from situation to situation
You won’t find a lowly biglaw associate teaching class in the evening. Most of the adjunct profs I knew are/were partners/owners of small/midsize firms and could afford to do it for whatever reason.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I have a friend that graduated a year after me...
…from Baylor and is a full time professor at Tech. Don’t ask me how, but it sounds sweet.
Gonzo right?
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Ahh, never mind, I thought I knew who your friend was
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
No,
This dude went to Tech undergrad, Baylor Law, moved to Dallas, became a part time professor at Baylor and commuted from Dallas, then moved to Lubbock to be full time at Tech, where he is today.
by FuturePants on May 18, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
What are his initials?
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Big firm guys probably couldn't for years
but if you are corporate or in a small firm it’s easier
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
I am amused that a Ben Morris thread turned into a discussion of professors and lawyers
Higher education, FTW.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I'd rather just be a law professor full-time.
- I survived the 2011 Opening Weekend LSB Tailgate Party -
by Mike the Grate on May 17, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be a sweet gig no doubt
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Just a small law school..I'm not greedy.
- I survived the 2011 Opening Weekend LSB Tailgate Party -
by Mike the Grate on May 17, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
And easy as fuck.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
That sounds like a miserable existence to me
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Where do you go to school?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
That's not what law school was like at all.
by brettgardner on May 17, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I dunno where he got that
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Many profs liked treating us like dumb asses
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
This.
My experience was more like “you guys are going to get paid too much money to work too much and not know anything. You will be scum.”
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I never ran into that until law school
except maybe Poli sci profs
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Glad I was an Agricultural Economics major
Our professors were either straight-up good ol’ boys or nerds obsessed with the minutiae of the field. It was awesome.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I was business in undergrad and grad school and didn't see it
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
My limited experience in college (didn't finish)
was a bunch of listen and follow my wackjob opinions (in political classes) because I will grade you on your ability to follow them. Also, in the CS world I found many undergrad professors to dislike disagreement in any fashion and dislike anyone telling them they were wrong or something could be done better than they have done it.
That's apparently what Brian's law school is like.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Yes, profs will berate you
but only for your first year, and even then, it’s not very many times out of your first year. And then at the end of the semester and when you ask them questions all they do is praise your high intellect and thoughtfulness for thinking of such a wonderful question.
Second year couldn’t have been farther from that. No profs are trying to break you anymore, they no you have other crap going on, and generally don’t really care much about what they are teaching themselves…
I think most people remember their law school experience of getting called on with such angst because they have never felt like an idiot before that first moment of being on call.
No professor ever said or intimated to me or anyone that I know
That we were superior to anyone
by brettgardner on May 17, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
that is just houston profs, i guess
Or, better stated, my experience with houston profs.
That's much more reasonable than the original.
by brettgardner on May 17, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I would say that is exactly what I said...
I have had a vastly different law school experience
It has mostly involved all my classmates telling each other how smart they are and everyone else around the law school saying the exact same thing.
Well that's not what I responded to.
You either said it after I did or I didn’t see it.
by brettgardner on May 17, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
And either way
That’s more reasonable too. Your original post was a huge generalization.
by brettgardner on May 17, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Brian...
this is what brett does. Just ignore him.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I'm not being a dick.
I was just explaining something to Brian.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
So weird.
Nobody was having an unreasonable conversation.
I guess you’re in one of your moods. Take the last word if you must, though I would appreciate it if you just ignored me yourself.
by brettgardner on May 17, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
It always amuses me...
that the people who are the most vocal about “the last word” are often the ones who want it most.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
And yes,
Law school is puppy dogs and ice cream.
Yes
when you are being a kept bitch and the guy asking you bought everything, you drop him off. Either that or you give him a hummer for the date he is taking you on.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
by DJCahill on May 17, 2011 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This thread is fantastic...
I want to see an episode of the Springer Show with the Morris brothers.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Because he has AJM to front him
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
1. I do not carry cash.
2. I am only marginally employed.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I also almost never have cash.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I'm never without cash
Just too many potential problems when you dont have cash.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Ain't many hobos in West Texas, I'm thinking
I mean, I’ve been to West Texas several times, and I never saw a hobo.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
You've never been to Lubbock, obviously.
Specifically downtown Lubbock.
by brettgardner on May 18, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Correct
But I’ve been all around Munday.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
The Moguls
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 18, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
My dad is a Mogul
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Mine was a Gorman Panther
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 18, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Birdsong Peanuts!
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
One side of the family was peanut farmers
the other side worked in the peanut factory
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Hey, this thread is going to go down in LSB history
might as well shit on it.
/matchst1k
by sprite on May 17, 2011 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Really?
I thought it was a good convo.
I mean… its a bunch of lawyers so its going to have a lot of argument over semantics and pounding out every item. But no one called anyone a name or got upset.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
you kind of derailed the brother vs brother bickering
which was much more entertaining
It seemed to already be going off the rails with attornies all agreeing how foolish Ben's comment was before I commented.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I've worked with and for...
a bunch of attorneys and they all expected ridiculous things from their staff. I don’t know.
Maybe I’m a misanthropic dick and I don’t deserve a job.
This fucking sucks.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I wanted to go find a Texas fishing book to cheer you up
But the website I found had zero listings for Texas fishing books.
That’s… that’s probably not going to have the effect I wanted.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Its probably Brett Gardner's fault
fuck that guy.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Heh
Hows that Barbri coming along?
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
This week is an "MBE Preview"
Which, I found out, means taking 1L subjects cold in an attempt to scare you. Truthfully, it seems kinda pointless, but the lectures at least emphasize frequently-tested material.
by brettgardner on May 18, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, a bunch of my friends freaked about that MBE Preview
They were all concerned when they did terribly on the quizzes, but that was the intent.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I bombed Torts and kicked the shit out of Crim yesterday.
I’m so excited that Crim Pro is part of it; that’s some of my favorite stuff.
Either way, I’m just looking forward to the substantive lectures and getting into the full routine.
by brettgardner on May 18, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess I didn't take the MBE preview
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 18, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup.
They want you to get scared so you don’t overemphasize the Texas Essays and forget all about the MBE.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
the MBE could not be more unfair and more pointless.
It’s so incredibly stupid that we all have to take that BS. It only serves as a weed-out, nothing more. There is absolutely no knowledge to be gained from that thing.
by FuturePants on May 18, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
This times one hundred and seventy five billion squared
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Yeah I remember that part.
I remember it only lasting like 2 days for us though…
The whole time I kept thinking that it was pointless because I had a 3(?) day class at the end of Bar Bri devoted 100% to the MBE and would worry about it then.
I did not do well on the MBE for the bar exam…thankfully I knocked my essays out of the park.
by FuturePants on May 18, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Same here
I scored just high enough that if I did the same on the essays I would barely pass. I did well on the essays so I passed by a nice margin. 150+ on MBE can get you some reciprocity though
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 18, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I destroyed the MBE.
Did practice questions just about every night for two months.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
150+?
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 18, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes on the scaled score.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Then you may practice in some other states
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 18, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Screw that crap
I’ll just wait the five years for reciprocal admission.
And of y’all done that/considered it? I have no desire to take another bar exam, but I figure I’ll get reciprocal admission in OK and some other big agriculture states.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
You can get in the Dakotas with the 150
which has some good gas plays
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Do they have reciprocity after 5 years?
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
After 5 years you can just be admitted to Oklahoma.
With California, you can skip the MBE and just sit for the state portion, I’m pretty sure.
I know with 5 years you can come from Massachussets or Florida to Texas. That’s all I know.
I think most every state I'm interested in has the 5 year rule except Montana
I will quit practicing law before I get admitted in Cali.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I did tons of timed practice exams and beat the crap out of the MBE
Know it was over 150. Think 155.
Essay scraped by but asking around that’s how most did. Passing was 70% and I only know one person that was over 85%. Everyone was in the 70-75% margin.
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
Considering you didn't do so well on it
I’m not sure anyone should follow your lead on how to handle the MBE.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Heh
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Did you do your practice questions from the Barbri books only?
I know they have a ton, and I probably shouldn’t worry about running out, but I do.
by brettgardner on May 18, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Before I took the 7...
we were supposed to take 50 practice tests and give them to the training officer. I just took one and photocopied it 50 times. I was caught, of course, and blamed it on a problem with the copier.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I actually used the application you can download from the BarBri website.
I’m 95% sure it’s the same questions, but I liked that you could work on individual subjects, change the difficult level of the questions you wanted to do, and get feedback immediately about what types of questions you’re missing, what subjects you need to work on, and how you stack up against everyone else using the program (you don’t have to upload your results if you don’t want to, and it’s not cataloged specifically).
To answer the specific question, yes I believe they are the same questions. But if you wanted more, you can always get a separate MBE practice book at your school bookstore. You shouldn’t run out any time soon, though, there are over 3500 questions, I think.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I used that online one as well
I thought the breakdowns were pretty clutch
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Definitely.
Unless you chart that stuff out on your own from doing it in the book, you might not realize that you are, for example, missing every single RAP question that comes up.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Christ - am I the only person didn't have a computer during lawschool?
Everything I did was pen to paper or hitting the computer lab. Is 12 years really that long ago?
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
Now you would though
you can get a decent laptop for $300
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Starting law school in 2002..
…was about the time that the majority of the class brought laptops.
I got a laptop for school but ditched it about 2 months in for handwritten notes. Typed all my finals though.
I took no notes
and hand wrote the finals and the bar.
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Unless you just can't type at all
That makes no sense to me.
by brettgardner on May 18, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I am much better at typing now than then
but I bought my first computer 2L year. So yea I was not fast.
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
I hand wrote the Bar
I wasnt about to trust the most important three days of my professional life to my already iffy laptop.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I used the laptop option.
I wasn’t about to trust the most important three days of my professional life to my clearly insufficient penmanship.
- I survived the 2011 Opening Weekend LSB Tailgate Party -
by Mike the Grate on May 19, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
My hand writing is awful
so I tried to take my time. I actually rewrote one of my essays on the bar because it was pretty bad and I had extra time.
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
by Texas Jihad on May 19, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I had buddies on law review hook me up with outlines
"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Ben, I came across this and you immediately came to mind.
Check this out if you have some free time to kill.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Well, it was pretty interesting until the end when it became an infomercial.
Still worth watching though.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
As this position is becoming more mainstream...
I want everyone here to remember where they heard it first.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
well a lot of people may have heard it here first
…but I wrote a paper (in college, actually) about it 12 or so years ago.
by Black Francis on May 23, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck you, Dustin!
And the horse you rode in on!
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Interesting, yeah, but it takes some pretty ridiculous jumps
Like, why aren’t they asking people why they chose the most expensive options? I got my undergrad with about 20K in debt. Why is your undergrad costing five times that?
And why the dental lady making nearly two times the annual median US salary let her debt go out of control like that?
I’ll give it some more time, but twenty minutes in, I’m seeing a ‘If you’re dumb, don’t go to college’ message.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
OH HOLY FUCKING BUTTSHIT
Leather jacket guy screams for free market rules applied to tuition, then bitches about college athletics existing because we’re in a recession?
Aren’t college athletics a big deal because they make a shitload of money?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Leather jacket guy was kind of annoying.
He had a couple of rants where I was just like “shut the fuck up, why are you even on here?”
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
He also kind of looks like...
the Sicilian from The Princess Bride.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
As long as people are talking about the issue, I'm happy.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
The issue is they took such a bad approach, they're going to Micheal Moore people off of the message
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Over the last 6 months or so....
people are starting to talk about $1T in student loan debt (non-dischargable, whee!) the same way clients I spoke to were talking about sub-prime in 2006. When a bubble pops, it pops quick.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Oh, that
I thought you meant the devaluation of college degrees.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
That's what the bubble popping means.
A degree is worth what someone will pay for it. Right now they’ve paid 15x inflation adjusted growth over the last twenty years (with corresponding debt). As people question the value proposition going forward, this growth will drop (perhaps precipitiously, as we saw with housing).
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
While I think that college degrees are vastly over valued in our society...
I do not think that people will begin to question the value going forward, mostly because people tend to believe the propaganda that is thrown at them. But also, it is not exactly comparable to the housing market.
The housing market has a mechanism for failure to pay debt. School debt doesn’t. This essentially means that the market cannot fail. The kinds of bets that were being made in the housing market are not possible if the debt can’t fail to be paid off and so you might end up with a large number of people being crippled by debt, but the result will be that they still have to pay it off. This might result in less home sales and purchases of consumer products, further depressing an already stressed market. But because the loans are no longer administered privately, the market failure seen with housing will not occur because industries cannot create insurance and option schemes on school loans.
The housing market is based on a physical item as much as people’s perception of it’s worth, where college is based solely on people’s perception of it’s worth. While this might actually seem to help your point, I would argue that it doesn’t.
While the value of a college education is not that great, at least not in my opinion, society will have to be given more time to come around. We have spent the last 50 years telling or kids that to get ahead they must go to college. This is engrained in our cultural fabric as americans at this point. This is where my argument butts it’s head up against most economic models. I would actually agree with you that growth would drop if we were using an economic model to predict the outcome, but the problem with most economic models is that they assume rational actors. We, as a human race, do not behave rationally. We have based on perception and stereotypes and irrational beliefs that we have been taught by our parents. Since we do not make decisions in any rational way, I would suspect that our flawed decision making will continue, with regards the college education, well into the future.
Getting back to my original point that the housing market is based on a physical object: you have some level of objectivity. Because there is something to point to when the purchase is made, the value, while it might not be accurate, has some basis in objectivity. A college education has no basis in objectivity. There is nothing to point to when you leave college to say you received a product. So measuring the value of this commodity becomes increasingly difficult and therefore people are much more willing to pay far more than the education is worth because of the subjective nature of the commodity.
Think about where in our service economy we have something based on such a subjective commodity. Even in a service based economy, objectivity exists. A doctor: success if he doesn’t kill his patient. The better he is at not killing patients the more he is able to charge.
Random example, but I think you get the point.
That debt can...
and does fail to get paid back. Defaults are approaching 27%
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
It's non dischargable debt,
so while it might be pushing people into bankruptcy to discharge other dischargable loans and might be defaulted on, it will get paid back, eventually.
Well, no, not necessarily.
People can and are leaving the country. Or they’re just getting wage garnishments that will no where near repay the loan.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
It's not like the default...
is what causes the devaluation. Potential college students look at those with crippling wage garnishments and limited prospects, and say “that’s not for me.” That’s the actual bubble popping, not the defaults.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Sure, but back to practical matters:
Just what sort of country would I need to leave for to be rid of my student loan debt? And would I be able to watch DFW sports from there?
When has any 18 year old made a sound financial decisions?
Did you? Actually, I know the answer to that question…
Basically
I agree that higher education is experiencing a bubble, but I do not believe that it is subject to the same market forces as other bubbles. It might continue indefinitely.
Of course, that would mean thats it’s not a bubble, but then the bubble concept is more about over valuation then whether a bubble ever bursts or not. And you get back to an argument over whether higher education is actually good for everyone or valued too highly in our society, which is a different discussion.
You also have the problem
That the people demand the product have no real control over the demand because they are seeking jobs that have been designated to need college educations by people that may or may not have attended college and are no longer demanding the product.
Demand is not controlled by those that purchase, but rather by those that benefit from the purchasers and do not necessarily internalize the cost of such demand. How to control this externality, I have no idea.
To the extent...
that jobs that “require” degrees continue, and the rates of college degree attainment drop, then employers will start having to fill those jobs from non-degreed applicants.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
The people that are being hired now will probably be the bosses
when this attainment level drop that you are proposing occurs. Why, if they were required to have a college degree to get the job they are trying to fill, would they drop the education level requirement?
People, especially the older among us, tend to think that if they were required to do something when they started then everyone should have to do it. That is why hazing in frats exists. Why the socratic method still exists in law schools. Why colleges are still taught the exact same way they have been for centuries.
They are not the best techniques, they are just the things that the people in control were subjected to and they see no reason why a younger generation shouldn’t be “initiated” in the same way they are.
Initiation in this hiring system meaning spending four years at college
because: “it’s good for you” and “you learn to think there”
neither of which is an absolute truth.
Let's say you have 100,000 jobs "requiring" degrees...
and 50,000 applicants with degrees and 200,000 applicants without…. then some of those jobs are going to be filled by those without degrees.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Regardless of whether or not...
the hiring manager believes a degree is good for you.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Do applicants without college degree actual apply to jobs that require college degrees?
I thought that was the point of a job ad…to make sure someone had the minimum qualifications before applying.
and before you reply
I realize that most jobs are not advertised, but that would not have helped my position, so I am choosing to ignore that.
I don't know.
The jobs I apply to require “degree or equivalent experience.”
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Fuck you, Ben!
And the horse that you borrowed to ride in on!
by Black Francis on May 24, 2011 12:55 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Thats been sitting here for six days and it is not green
There is no justice in this world
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