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Over at Hardball Talk, Matthew Pouliot has a blog post on Derek Jeter's performance yesterday.  It includes in the headline the phrase, "Ron Washington is not a genius," and while that is a sentiment I think most Ranger fans would agree with, the specific decision that gives rise to that conclusion is surprising:

 

Derek Jeter hit his first homer in 63 games dating back to last August when he took Dave Bush deep in the fifth inning of Sunday’s game against the Rangers.

Of course, it came against a pitcher he never should have been facing for a third time on the day.

Bush, who had pitched just four times in the Rangers’ first 34 games, was called on today to make a spot start because of Alexi Ogando‘s blister.  He did his job, limiting the Yankees to two runs over the first four innings, but he allowed Jeter to go 2-for-2 in the process.

With those two hits, Jeter improved to 6-for-12 lifetime against Bush, begging the question of what Bush was still doing out there when Jeter came up to lead off the fifth. 

 

Okay.  First of all, we have the issue of whether the blame from the decision to leave Bush in to start the fifth properly should be laid at the feet of Ron Washington or Mike Maddux.  Maddux, after all, is considered to have a lot more stroke than most pitching coaches, and I tend to think that he deserves the bulk of the credit (or blame) for most pitching moves that the Rangers make.

That's a pretty minor issue, though.

Secondly, let's consider the state of the Ranger bullpen.  Yes, the Rangers have an eight man bullpen right now, but one of those eight is Dave Bush, who was getting the start.  Brett Tomko and Darren Oliver both logged multiple innings on Saturday, and thus weren't available.

That leaves you with Ryan Tucker, Cody Eppley, Arthur Rhodes, Mark Lowe, and Neftali Feliz.  Lowe isn't someone you want to use in a close game.  Neither is Tucker, really.  And the other three guys are all pretty much one inning guys.  

So you've got five innings to go, five guys in the bullpen, and the three guys you've got any level of confidence in are the three guys who aren't going to give you more than one inning (particularly Rhodes and Feliz, who pitched yesterday).

And Dave Bush should be yanked at 66 pitches?  Really?

That being said...there are arguments for lifting Bush at that point.  He's running out of gas, he's not pitching well, whatever.

But "Derek Jeter is 6 for 12 lifetime against him" isn't a valid argument for pulling Bush at that point.

Prior to today, Jeter had faced Bush a total of 12 times -- three times in 2004 and nine times in 2005.  He had registered four hits, all of them singles, one of the infield variety.  

Does what Jeter did against Bush six years ago really have any relevance to whether or not Bush should be left in to face Jeter in 2011?

And aside from the temporal separation...does 12 at bats even tell you anything meaningful?  This is the sort of sample size that shows up in papers and managers reference for making decisions which statheads like me usually lampoon.  

Rob Neyer, while he was at the Worldwide Leader in Borts, addressed this in a chat session this past offseason:

 

John (New York, NY)


Rob, the sample size of batter/pitcher matchups is of particular interest to me. Obviously a sample size of 5-10 PAs against a single pitcher does not yield any useful data. However, when you consider that in those 5-10 PAs, a single batter is only facing the repertoire of a single pitcher, my question is how many PAs are required before the data becomes significant? 20? 50? More? What do you think?

Rob Neyer
  (12:17 PM)


More than 20. I'm not sure if 50's enough. I'm not sure if any batter has ever faced a pitcher enough times to show us anything truly meaningful. I think what makes more sense is looking at how a hitter has fared against *types* of pitchers.

 

When you consider the minute sample size, and the fact that Jeter had last faced Bush six years ago, the fact that Jeter was 6 for 12 against Bush prior to the home run is essentially irrelevant.

And when you consider the game situation and the options the Rangers had available in the bullpen, even if you think Jeter is more inclined than most to hit Bush well, it still wouldn't warrant lifting Bush from the game.

I'm not a big fan of Ron Washington, strategic in-game manager.  I don't think he's a particularly good in-game manager...his strengths as a manager lie elsewhere.

But killing Washington over this, and acting like lifting Bush in that situation was such an obvious move (because Jeter was 6 for 12 against him lifetime) that Wash seemingly had no choice but to go to his pen, is just wrong.

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The only tiny little merit I see in this

is right now, you get Jeter out with fastballs. Bush can’t get people out with just a fastball. Now, the Rangers aren’t exactly full of power arms in the pen right now, so I think the overall point of the article is false.

"Calmer than you are dude"

by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 9, 2011 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Regardless, that wasn't the run that killed us.

I can think of 4, no 6 others that were a lot more crushing.

"Don't play lawyer ball, son." -Hank Hill

by analogdan on May 9, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Begging the question?

Lord have mercy on my rough and rowdy ways.

by TheJeezus on May 9, 2011 10:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Well said.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on May 9, 2011 10:46 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't see how you blame Wash or Bush for yesterday's loss

Bush is who he is – a guy who is going to give you that type of game. Quite simply, the bullpen is a disaster. It isn’t that they’ve played badly (though they haven’t been good); but there is only one guy out there who is reliable at the moment. The rest are old and breaking down, young and erratic, or just replacement level innings eaters.

Go Rice Owls!
Matt Harrison - once upon a time a good #3 starter...

by JBImaknee on May 9, 2011 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

In reality, I don't think bullpen is really that big of a disaster going forward

The problem is that too many pitchers are pitching out of their optimal roles. When Hunter/Feldman returns, you can move Ogando back into the pen, then have Feliz as the closer, Ogando and Oliver as the setup corp, use Rhodes as a lefty specialist and Eppley as the righty specialist.

Feliz is of course trustworthy, and I imagine Ogando would be as well. Oliver, despite his HR issues early, has been pretty reliable. He is old, but I would bet he is still distinctively above average.

For all of our gripes about Colby losing his velocity, Rhodes has lost more velocity on his fastball than Colby. He was a power pitcher who is now forced to become a finesse pitcher like Oliver. Nevertheless he should still kill lefties, and if used as such, should be above average. Similarly, Eppley against righties should be a favorable matchup as well. If we get to this point, the bullpen is pretty much the same as last year’s after Franky went down, and that’s still not a bad bullpen.

by Telegraph on May 9, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

And maybe a Scheppers.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on May 9, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know a lady that reminds me of Sheepers

Fantastically hot little minxy tease…

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11

by Rodney on May 9, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know another - Amelia Earhardt

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on May 9, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh.
@LookoutLanding Jeff Sullivan
@lonestarball Somebody seriously used a 12 AB batter/pitcher sample?
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Adam J. Morris
lonestarball Adam J. Morris
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@LookoutLanding yep. And 10 of the ABs were from ’04 and ’05.
3 minutes ago
Jeff Sullivan
LookoutLanding Jeff Sullivan
@
@lonestarball I thought we were beyond this. I thought we were beyond this ten years ago
2 minutes ago
Greg
stopthewave Greg
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@LookoutLanding @lonestarball well, last season @Evan_P_Grant said Cruz shouldn’t bat 4th based on 17 AB’s.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on May 9, 2011 10:52 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Joey Matches

said almost exactly the same thing over at BBTiA this morning. Well put by both of you.

Nelson Cruz - 2011 MVP

by t ball on May 9, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I intended no dig

as I just assumed Adam hadn’t read Joey’s post. I guess you’re more cynical than I am.

Nelson Cruz - 2011 MVP

by t ball on May 9, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11

by Rodney on May 9, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

You’re accusing me of ripping off someone else’s article?

by Adam J. Morris on May 9, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think they're just teasing...

Go Rice Owls!
Matt Harrison - once upon a time a good #3 starter...

by JBImaknee on May 9, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wrote this yesterday evening

And scheduled it to come up this morning, since I knew I was going to be in court.

I didn’t see Joey’s piece until I saw t ball’s post.

by Adam J. Morris on May 9, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure buddy...

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11

by Rodney on May 9, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, that's not it.

Joey has mind-reading powers and he steals ideas. It’s the reason he and I are the only people in the world with Sextables – the only vegetables on Earth grown specifically for vagina and/or anal insertion.

I will never forgive him.

This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP

by cmkelly29 on May 9, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

At least I don't have to worry about you snatching up any of my comedy stylings

Since you don’t read them.

Dick.

"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."

Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.

http://www.brianthomas.tv/

by Brian Thomas on May 9, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Berkeley Place mafia

What could have been…

"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."

Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.

http://www.brianthomas.tv/

by Brian Thomas on May 9, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Adam runs a pretty prominent Rangers website. In the new medium, he could be considered a digital journalist. Since plagiarism is the most serious crime in journalism, I don’t think it is anything to joke about. You are attacking his credibility and integrity. I’m all for making jokes, but that is over the line.

"Calmer than you are dude"

by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 9, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slow down, ASL.

Maybe great minds think alike, and there’s no plagiarism involved.

by 7.62x39 on May 9, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

When an idea as idiotic as using 12 ABS over 11 years to fabricate a point get floated out there, I’m shocked A LOT more than 2 people haven’t posted the exact same article yet.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on May 9, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did not attack anyone's credibility or intergrity

If you think ab03 was serious, then he did. I did not.

Nelson Cruz - 2011 MVP

by t ball on May 9, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Very well put AJM.

You can only be young once but can be immature forever!

by Bigfan16 on May 9, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remember when Matthew Pouliot won or finished top 5...

for about 4 straight years in ESPN’s Baseball Challenge?

This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP

by cmkelly29 on May 9, 2011 11:21 AM CDT reply actions  

anyone else thinking

Ogando may have made his last start this year?

by RangerMad on May 9, 2011 11:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Wouldn't surprise me

In theory they could skip the #5 starter next time through the rotation and not have to use one again until May 17th. If Hunter could be available then, then he could slide in between Harry and Dutch (which would likely be a good spot from an innings pitched / bullpen usage standpoint anyway)

Go Rice Owls!
Matt Harrison - once upon a time a good #3 starter...

by JBImaknee on May 9, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't get the handwringing

I didn’t follow the game but Bush didn’t seem horrible. 5 hits, no walks, 3 runs 2 ER. Why would someone go through the effort to write an entire post about Jeter being 6-12 against Bush? Does Wash have a target on his back for being manager of the year?

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on May 9, 2011 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't notice any more or less "Wash did this wrong" talk this year as opposed to years previous.

"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson

by jam0152 on May 9, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Around here sure

60-80% of the people around here bitch about Wash and wanted him canned. I’m just talking outside our little abode; i.e. being named manager of the year has attracted some new attention.

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on May 9, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

The fact that it was only four innings makes it pretty horrible.

But it could have been worse from Bush. If you’d told me we’d be up 4-3 in that game when Bush left in the 5th, I’d have taken it.

by philkid3 on May 9, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Besides the Jeter HR

No balls were really hit hard off Bush and it wasn’t like he couldn’t have gone more than 4 innings. He was only at 70 pitches or so. All around not a bad outting from a emergency starter whos only pitched in 4 other games this season

by bigsteve on May 9, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, like being black.. right? Just say it man, we know what you meant...

Listen man, I don’t think there’s any room here for this kind of veiled racism.

This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP

by cmkelly29 on May 9, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

You need an Ambien

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11

by Rodney on May 9, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm only fuckin' around man!

This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP

by cmkelly29 on May 9, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

:)

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11

by Rodney on May 9, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hell, I thought Bush should have stayed in longer...

Considering the state of the bullpen.

"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler

by selke99 on May 9, 2011 4:25 PM CDT reply actions  

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