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Numbers 2 and 3 on this list would make Dirk commit vicious heated pears.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Jun 1, 2011 4:25 PM CDT reply actions  

So much heat

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Jun 1, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apparently we're allowed to post the top 5 (Matches posted them at BBTiA)

1. Martin Perez
2. Mike Olt
3. Neil Ramirez
4. Robbie Erlin
5. Jurickson Profar

>mfw

by MonkeyEpoxy on Jun 1, 2011 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Definitely

Profar dropping a .400+ wOBA is pretty surprising and awesome too

>mfw

by MonkeyEpoxy on Jun 1, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Jun 1, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has to be one of the biggest in all of MiLB.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Jun 1, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

TWSS

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm surprised he's up that high

given how May went.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Jun 1, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we'll see how it goes.

They’ve seen more and know more than I do about it.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Jun 1, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

At what point do you bail on Beltre?

That’s to either or both Jasons.

by LiamP on Jun 1, 2011 4:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

The tools give you reason to believe

the production gives you reason to abandon that belief. He needs to put it together soon. Very soon.

by jparks77 on Jun 1, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could he be part of a trade this Summer?

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you think they could get for him?

He couldn’t be a headliner could he?

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

Probably a tertiary piece at this point. Tools still have value, but his stock has slipped.

by jparks77 on Jun 1, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Braddock and Grerinke

Doable without gutting the system?

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

Stupid Tommy Hunter’s Groin

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Jun 1, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Should have said if the Brewers fall out of the race.

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mike Olt - succeeding despite LSB's reaction to his pick

We should probably keep this in mind when we inevitably overreact to our draft selections this year.

In JD’s staff we trust

by Jobu. on Jun 1, 2011 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

oh you have an iPad

LSB has been kind to you good sir.

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was just kidding with ya.

They are very cool. I love mine.

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was Dirkatron's last hurrah, too

He’s had spottings since, but he was truly great that night

by Jobu. on Jun 1, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is on the run for the

Natalie Holloway killing is the rumor.

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good luck with data connection

I subscribe to the MLB text alerts and I’m pretty sure I got a text with the Rangers’ first draft pick and probably the next couple of picks, too.

"I like wieners" – Texas Jihad, 5.17.2011
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
Fuck yeah, Adrian Beltre!

by Lisa W on Jun 1, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I liked the Olt pick at the time

/strains shoulder trying to pat own back

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Jun 1, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are a Grade 3

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

ow

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Jun 1, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, he did go to Rice...

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Jun 1, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do Rice kids still drive around with

the “I go to Rice, I must be smart” bumper stickers upside down?

The worst were the few people who didn’t get the joke and had the bumper sticker right side up…

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Jun 1, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think so....

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Jun 1, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm... I don't know if I should be sad or glad to hear that

at least when I was there a decade ago, you’d routinely see them driving along Kirby or Shephard.

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Jun 1, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm fairly certain no

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Jun 1, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had a Grade 3.

I had the Bankart surgery to fix it.

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

this

he might close for Spokane this year. That is unbelievably awesome

>mfw

by MonkeyEpoxy on Jun 1, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just assumed after last year's gradutations

and the budget stopping signings like Purke and our budget-based 2011 draft… that it would be a few seasons before we’d be able to get this giddy again.

How fantastic

by Jobu. on Jun 1, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Close?

That sucks. Let dude start, especially in the frickin minors.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jun 1, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

call him up now,

we need him.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi

by blalock84 on Jun 1, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?

A guy that threw one inning per outing (if at all) in high school and hasn’t pitched since then. Has never thrown side sessions or worked on anything as a pitcher. And you want him starting? Huh?

by JasonCole on Jun 1, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mistook it for Perez.

Yah my bad. I’m low on sleep.

West makes sense in short relief, yah.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jun 1, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of the Jason's says he could be better than the other Perez

Hard to believe.

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has something you can't teach: Size

6’5’’ power arms with present pitchability and crazy room for projection don’t grow on trees.

by jparks77 on Jun 1, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

So could that make him a #1 then?

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

See jparks below

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

It could make him very good

We shall see how he develops. I’m not comfortable throwing that label on him at this point in the process. I will say that the ceiling could be very high.

by jparks77 on Jun 1, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

I’ve heard his name a few times in the last year or so, but this puts him on my immediate prospect watch list. Spokane cannot start soon enough.

by Salman on Jun 1, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember when bigsteve tried to tell us he wasnt impressive

Because bigsteve saw one report that he threw 88 mph prior to J2 and bigsteve had no use for a 88 mph tossing righty.*

*I think it was bigsteve.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 1, 2011 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

bigsteve also tried to sell us on the idea

that Bush would be a QS everytime out.

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think I said he wasn't impressive

Just that the reports weren’t as impressive as the amount of money he got would lead you to believe.

Sorry that I temper my enthusiasm when it comes to the 16 year olds. If we got all excited about every 16 year old who threw 86+ mph we would be in for a lot of disappointment.

by bigsteve on Jun 1, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the issue

is trusting spotty pre-J2 reports over the Rangers’ (or any team’s) international scouting department that has been watching a high-dollar prospect for years. There were a lot of reports that said Martin Perez was a very iffy soft-tosser when he signed out of Venezuela.

by JasonCole on Jun 1, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

IIRC bigsteve based that entire discussion on some Internet reports and ignored the possibility that the Rangers LA guys knew more than the Internet reports.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 2, 2011 7:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

My understanding was the reports were true about David Perez, right?

He went through a dead arm period, which may have been a blessing for the Rangers. I think it caused a lot of teams to back off. Seems like there is often a little luck involved in the J2 signings. We can’t forget how close Martin Perez came to being a Cardinal.

by Tex2044 on Jun 2, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep that's true

he went through a dead arm period and the Rangers stuck with him a little longer than some others did.

by JasonCole on Jun 2, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get that

Like I said I was just being cautious and probably took that a bit too far if I said he was not impressive.

by bigsteve on Jun 2, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

it is about time for Texas to have their King Felix type of uber prospect

I know you're still struggling to find your way in LSB but you'd probably feel more comfortable in one of the other threads that talks about
weather, fashion, video games, uniform colors, etc. . - Josey Wales 5/18/11

by RangerMad on Jun 1, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Payano

Can’t forget that hulking monolith, either

>mfw

by MonkeyEpoxy on Jun 1, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

My favorite prospect in the system.

I usually favor catchers. Not even #TheLegend can divert my attention from Perez.

Promote Mike Olt to Round Rock!

by rooster on Jun 1, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blasphemy

Don’t let @spikeadelic hear you day that.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 2, 2011 7:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can't figure out who he actually is

And that annoys me, but he’s pretty awesome on the twitter.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen

by Keynes on Jun 2, 2011 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spike Lundberg

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 2, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Barret Loux

Any restrictions on trading him currently? We didn’t technically draft him…

I’d love to flip him for a RP sooner than later.

by Jobu. on Jun 1, 2011 4:40 PM CDT reply actions  

He signed as a free agent.

Why do you want to get rid of him?

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Jun 1, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't necessarily want to

But it makes the signing an immediate win if he has value in a trade this early on.

It’d just be a solid hedge against injury.

by Jobu. on Jun 1, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

While he was an overdraft by the D-Backs

Wasn’t he still a solid 1st round talent?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 1, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Jun 1, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do we need those guys?

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Jun 2, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, CF is the glaring whole in the offense, and Byrd's defense is adequate even if it isn't on par with Borbon.

Wood adds power arm depth to the 7-8 inning group, and he can close games should Feliz never get out of his funk.

Dempster, well, he would provide SP depth during playoffs and insurance should Ogando’s performance begin to slide. In fact, he would allow the Rangers to move Ogando back to the BP if they felt the innings were beginning to wear on Ogando.

For next year, the Rangers could ask, before trading for Dempster, whether he has any interest in returning to the closer role.

Promote Mike Olt to Round Rock!

by rooster on Jun 2, 2011 5:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Byrd is also out for like 6-8 weeks

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 2, 2011 7:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

No Font huh?

Next time JD does a chat type thing or something i wish I, or someone, would ask him about the decision to burn one of Fonts options rather than 60 day him and save the option. Also I wonder if this means once he comes back from TJ he will be fasttracked out of the pen rather than continue the starter experiment with him.

by bigsteve on Jun 1, 2011 10:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Not an expert

But this came up with Tucker – I don’t think they burn an option. You have to be active so many days in the season. Te 60 day decision is more about pay. I believe if on 60 he would get major league split. I could be wrong though.

Jack Daddy

by Jack Daddy on Jun 1, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

From BB America

Every played added to a 40-man roster for the first time is granted three option years, allowing the team to assign that player to the minors that year without having to pass him through waivers. A player can move back and forth from the majors to the minors multiple times in a given year, and it still counts as the use of just one option. After a player’s options are expended, he has to clear waivers before he can be assigned to the minors.

In some circumstances, baseball rules allow for a fourth option. A player receives a fourth option if he has less than five seasons of pro experience. Draftees who immediately sign a major league contract will qualify unless they reach the majors quickly and stick there. Otherwise, they’ll have their three options exhausted after their first three years in pro ball. Guthrie falls into this category.

A season is defined as any year in which the player spends 90 days on the active list. Short-season and Rookie leagues don’t last 90 calendar days, so a player assigned to those leagues for an entire year won’t accrue a season of pro experience. Also if a player has a long-term injury, he usually won’t be credited for a season that year. (The exception is if he goes on the disabled list after spending 60 days on an active list, in which case the DL time counts as service time.)

Brown signed in 1999 and the Dodgers placed him on their 40-man roster in 2002, meaning they and the Indians have used up his options to send him to the minors the last three years. But Brown will get a fourth option because this counts as only his third season of pro ball for option purposes. He spent 1999 in Rookie ball, missed all of 2000 with Tommy John surgery, spent 2001 in the short-season New York-Penn League and pitched in just one game in 2003 because he had surgery to remove bone chips from his elbow.

Jack Daddy

by Jack Daddy on Jun 1, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Confirmed

You accrue major league salary if on a d.l. Tis was the reason rangers didn’t d.l. somebody last yr. I forget who now. Maybe the latin kid we traded for Cantu – damn my brain is losing it – cant think of his name. Saw him at Frisco at least twice, But it’s really just a 40 man issue. Like I mentioned, it’s not an option issue b/c you don’t burn one.

Jack Daddy

by Jack Daddy on Jun 1, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry 4 mult replies to self

Pitcher was Omar poveda. We finally 60 day-ed him to clear room for Smoak. We held out until then I recall b/c didn’t want to pay him his maj league split. Make sense?

Jack Daddy

by Jack Daddy on Jun 1, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

See this is where the intricasies of the rule are confusing

Because Font was assigned to Mrytle Beach which is a full season league.

Im not saying you are wrong I would just like a little more clarification. I know all about the 4 option rule, and due to the Tucker thing I now know about the SS and RK leagues not counting toward pro experience. I also know that if he is on the 60 he gets paid the ML minimum.

Poveda last year may have had more to do with the fact we were broke so even that little expense was un-necessary

But with Font its unclear. I guess because he spent 07 and 08 in the AZL then even if he burns his three options he would also get a 4th option year but thats kinda what I am wanting cleared up.

by bigsteve on Jun 2, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

So Tucker still has an option because of SS/RK ball?

Interesting. Didn’t know that.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 2, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

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