Astros to AL, bad for 'Texas' Baseball Fans
by Ryan2907 on Jun 14, 2011 10:12 AM CDT
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PrintWhen I saw Texas Baseball fans, I mean fans for both the Rangers and the Astros. I'm a huge baseball fan and with The Rangers and Astros being in separate leagues, I can like both teams equally. I know there are many Rangers and Astros fans out there.
Who else out there agrees that having both the Ranges and Astros in the same division and league is a terrible idea? Depending on the season situations, I'll root for one over the other when it comes to interleague play, more recently the Rangers more than the Astros given the scope of success for the Rangers compared to the Astros. I've always dreamed to see an all Texas World Series. Wouldn't New York object to having the Yankees and Mets in the same division or even Chicago with the Cubs and White Sox? Having two teams from the same geographic area be from separate leagues makes sense. It allows multiple thousands of fans to support both teams without them being division rivals. Yeah, inter-league play matchups are nice for a small portion of the year so they can play each other, but I wouldn't like the Rangers and the Astros to be in the same division. It would force me to choose between one team or the other. I support both the Astros and the Rangers and when on team is rebuilding and one team is good, I can still enjoy the baseball season. I've gone to as many games at Arlington Stadium/The Ballpark in Arlington as I have to the Astrodome/Minute Maid Park.
A better option for realignment would be to expand the AL to 16 teams and have 2, 16 team leagues. Expansion teams could include cities like San Antonio, Albuquerque, NM, Salt Lake City, Utah, Portland, or San Jose(if Oakland doesn't move there first) or even Oklahoma City. This is just my opinion. If they must shift on NL team to the AL, I would rather see the Brewers be moved back to the AL Central and than move the Royals to the AL West. Feel free to post your ideas.
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i dont really see any of those cities supporting a ML Franchise.
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jun 14, 2011 10:26 AM CDT reply actions
if you build it, they will come
San Antonio and the other cities have the population to support a team.
San Antonio certainly has enough people and enough corporate power
The other cities don’t have the broader metro areas or company dollars to support a team.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
oh, certainly
but I’m just assuming that if they ever get a team it’ll be the A’s who are begging daily to move there.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
No way in fucking HELL a third team ends up in the Bay Area
The A’s and Giants will NOT allow that.
But then, no way in fucking hell expansion happens anyways. There are too many failing markets NOW, the worst possible solution would be to add more failing markets.
there aren't too many failing markets
there are maybe two failing markets; the A’s and Rays. And the A’s are only failing because they can’t move to their natural location in San Jose (which isn’t really even moving).
The Rays are failing, but that was a stupid place to put a team in the first place.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Florida is absolutely failing
And if they think a new stadium is going to fix that, Washington, a situation that isn’t exactly extremely successful, would like to have a word. The new stadium bounce lasted about a month.
I do think a retractable roof could help things in Miami
Not having to worry about rain delays would likely help there.
yup
I’ve been trying to get a team in SA for years. heh.
I was pumping the San Antonio Rays for a while there.
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Why is there another fanpost about this?
I know you're still struggling to find your way in LSB but you'd probably feel more comfortable in one of the other threads that talks about
weather, fashion, video games, uniform colors, etc. . - Josey Wales 5/18/11
Hoping for an all-Texas World Series
is like hoping for Texas to secede and become its own country. I mean, it could happen, but the odds are fairly astronomical that it’ll ever happen in our lifetime.
In fact, we can calculate this. Both the Rangers and Astros are middle tier teams; not the Pirates, but not the Yankees. So let’s assume their World Series odds are 14-1 and 16-1 respectively. That suggests that every 224 years the Astros and Rangers will face off in October.
On the other hand, Texas was last its own country 166 years ago.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
What the fuck is this shit?
Fuck the Astros.
by vfn on Jun 14, 2011 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 14 recs
I endorse this statement
by Automatic Double on Jun 14, 2011 11:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I would like to see expansion only when the market is better
Expansion is the only way re-alignment is going to work. However, you have to look at the markets. Portland is not getting any baseball for a long time, especially since the Beavers were denied access to a new lot for a stadium and their field was permanently converted to a MLS stadium. San Antonio would have to be approved by both Texas and Houston, and I just don’t see that happening. It would be a great place for AAA baseball, but with Round Rock so close, I don’t see that working either. Someday, San Jose is going to get the Athletics, it’s just a matter of when.
Of these two examples, Salt Lake City and Oklahoma City might work, especially because the lack of pro teams. I would also consider Charlotte a growing city to explore.
So who is your team?
You cheer for the front runner is that what you are saying? GTFO. If you can’t be loyal to one team baseball has no place for you.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Neither does Texas
Lone Star Ball - 2012 -- It's time
The Rangers should be about winning ballgames again.
by Mark from OC on Jun 14, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
The Ragners
The Rangers is my #1 overall team. The Houston Astros is a close 2nd and my #1 NL Club. Since bother teams reside in different leagues, you can be a fan for both easily. The only time they would really face each other in meaningful play is the World Series.
Houston, it isn't Dallas/FP
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Eh, not sure they care enough.
Basketball’s supposed to be their sport, but the support for the Pacers has been really low since Reggie retired. Most of the Colts fandom seems to be predicated on Manning, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see the Colts struggle a bit after he retires. And most baseball fans around here are either Chicago (generally Cubs, sometimes Sox) or St Louis fans, and I don’t see them really switching to a new team.
by colonialbob on Jun 14, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Re: Expansion
I think for an expansion market to be a success, they would have to average of 20,000 fans a game, and I would hope, for the league’s sake, they could do 25,000, because if you’re just going to put the team in to be a bottom feeder, it’s kind of pointless.
That’s between 1.6 and 2 million tickets sold a year. It is a major investment for the cities to build stadiums and MLB to put teams there if there’s any doubt they can do these kind of numbers. It’s a lot more stout of a task than the NBA, NHL, or NFL (which is the only league I can see expansion working due to the nature of the games, allowing people to truly draw a regional audience).
I Don't See Expansion
Contraction would be more useful, but that’s not happening. San Antonio barely supports a Double-A team. Portland doesn’t even have minor league baseball anymore. Las Vegas has problems with Baseball and gambling. Sacremento is having trouble supporting an NBA team. On and on and on!
I like the Rangers about 2-1 over the Astros. I don’t mind watching them occasionally, but I have no heart for them and the former owner screwed things up.
And OKC supports the Thunder, Sooners and Redhawks
I don’t see them supporting another team.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
A study has been done concerning which sport is easiest to support.
An NBA franchise is the easiest to support, followed by an NFL franchise. Once you have a professional franchise in place, it becomes even more difficult for a smaller metro area to support a baseball franchise.
what about a place like vancouver or something
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jun 14, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we should contract the Blue Jays.
Keep MLB in the lower 48.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Also, Vegas has been absolutely bent over and violated by foreclosures and underwater mortgages
A lot of the residents can’t afford baseball. The visitors aren’t there to see a baseball game.
Salt Lake is growing fast...
has a AAA team that they support pretty well, and people here love their Jazz.
Problem is that the people here know dick about baseball and really don’t seem to care about it. I’m just not sure they could support a MLB team. Although the city seems to get behind anything local, as they did with the Real Salt Lake soccer team that has a new stadium.
I don’t know.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
i bet mexico city could support a MLB team
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jun 14, 2011 1:10 PM CDT reply actions
How about Laredo?
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
South Padre Island
Put the Ballpark right on the beach.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
I would move there it that happened.
I already have a piece of land there waiting for me when I retire.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
I'm from home
It would be another reason to make me move back
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Jun 15, 2011 12:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm from home? WTF?
I’m from there
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Jun 15, 2011 12:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
purple drank
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
You realize the Corpus Christi Hooks,
AA franchise for the Astros, has Whataburger Park right on the bay.
Expansion does NOT need to happen
Everyone knows how hard it is to get front line starting pitching now so after expanding by two teams or 7% it only gets that much more tougher. 2 more #2 starters become #1, 2 more set up men become closers, etc etc etc
Eh
Contract both Florida teams, bump Milwaukee back to the AL Central, bump Kansas City to the AL West. Problem solved and inter-league crap survives.
"The Rangers are lovely jubbly!!!!"
Miami has a new ballpark on the way
No way they’re going away.
by Perfect Zero on Jun 15, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
The only thing holding AJM back from being a full on Astros fan is his love for the DH
Bring the Astros to the AL and this place is going to be having some changes!!
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