Chad Cordero retires, and are the Rangers on the verge of making a really bad mistake?
Former Washington Nationals' closer Chad Cordero has announced his retirement. A first round pick in the 2003 draft, Cordero got to the majors quickly, looked really good early on, finished 5th in the Cy Young balloting in 2005, and then succumbed to injuries and ineffectiveness.
What does this have to do with the Rangers?
Well, this spring, when the decision was made to put Neftali Feliz back into the bullpen, one of the things that was reportedly widely by the media, and that Nolan Ryan came out and said publicly, was that they were doing so because the team didn't have a "proven closer" to replace Feliz.* The Rangers' plan, based on what was said this spring, is to go out and get a "proven closer" in the free agent market this offseason, and thus move Feliz to the rotation.
* Nevermind that the Rangers went to the World Series last season with an unproven rookie closing for them.
I'm hard-pressed to think of a worse use of the Rangers' newfound financial largesse than to give a big free agent contract to a closer, for a couple of reasons.
First...when was the last time a team went out into the free agent market and signed a big dollar closer, and had that deal work out well?
The Mets signed Francisco Rodriguez after the 2008 season, and that deal has been a bust for the Mets. Francisco Cordero got a 4 year, $46 million deal from the Cincinnati Reds, and has given Cincy an fWAR of 3.1. Brian Fuentes signed a 2 year, $10.5 million deal with the Angels to replace K-Rod and wasn't good. Rafael Soriano signed a big contract with the Yankees this offseason and has been a disaster. B.J. Ryan was a disaster for the Blue Jays.
Relievers have a high variability from year to year, and relievers who sign multi-year free agent contracts seem to work out much less frequently than other players anyway. With closers, who not only have the high variability, but also get paid a premium because they're used in the 9th in three run games rather than in the 7th or 8th inning of a tie game, you've simply got a free agent bust waiting to happen.
Second, though...why do you need to sign an expensive, big-time closer on the free agent market? The Rangers' last four closers have all come from within. One was a well-regarded minor league pitcher who was always a reliever, one was a fringey prospect who emerged in 2004 as a terrific reliever, one was a 4th 5th round draft pick in the 2001 draft who emerged as a quality lefthanded reliever (and then a terrific starting pitcher), and one was a heralded pitching prospect who fell into the closer job when the "proven closer" stumbled.
The rest of the A.L. West is similar...you have a couple of guys who came up through the system without a lot of hype, and a reclamation project. Boston has a failed starter who is in his second straight disappointing season and who may be burning out as a closer anyway. Tampa is using a journeyman who has flamed out in other opportunities. Atlanta is using a product of their farm system. The Giants won the World Series with a former 24th round draft choice who came up through their system. Heath Bell, the Padres closer that everyone wants to trade for or sign after the season, was an amateur free agent signed by the Mets in 1999, who wasn't good in their bullpen, and who got shipped to the Padres with Royce Ring for Jon Adkins and Ben Johnson.
Look at the list of saves leaders this year...you have names like John Axford, Leo Nunez, Joel Hanrahan. Closers aren't pitchers with a magical ability to pitch better in the 9th than anyone else...they are usually failed starters, or journeymen who bounced around for a while, who put it together while pitching in relief and happened to be pitching well when their team needed someone to fill the closer role.
Third...these guys generally have short shelf-lives. Look at Chad Cordero. Look at Frankie Francisco. Look at Eric Gagne. Look at B.J. Ryan. For every Mariano Rivera or Lee Smith, you have a half-dozen of these other guys, who have a few good seasons then flame out.
I am hoping this is media speculation, or words being thrown out in the spring that will be set aside this offseason. Spending big money on a free agent closer this offseason, or trading significant assets because you believe a contending club must have a "proven closer," would be sheer foolishness.
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CJ was a 5th rd pick, not 4th
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
100% agreed
The 2011 versions of Brad Lidge, Ryan Franklin, and Joe Nathan come to mind, as well. Those investments aren’t exactly paying dividends for their respective teams.
"Whenever I'm about to do something, I think 'Would an idiot do that?' And if they would, I do not do that thing."
100% here too
fuck “closers.”
"I think that Rangers is good team." ~ South Korean Ranger Nation
by hubcityraider on Jun 21, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
FA closers are almost always Type A's, too
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
Elias gets it wrong a lot
but they aren’t so far from the way the rest of the league values these guys.
Come on, Tanner Scheppers....
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
by jam0152 on Jun 21, 2011 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
thirded
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
And since we're taking about the bullpen...
Rhodes and Oliver have combined for 15 Meltdowns and 14 Shutdowns.
Yes
The worst thing we could do is something like trade Scheppers for Bell and give Bell an extension. Bell becomes an expensive flameout, Scheppers is the NL Rookie of the Year and Scotty Feldman randomly becomes our closer.
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
I will kill someone if that happens
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
It's hard from a PR stand point to take a Tampa approach
You can’t just take a good bullpen, and decide to let everybody go and replace them with “unprovens” and expect people/fans to be happy. Tampa has the financial excuse, the Rangers won’t. I don’t think they want to risk upsetting a fanbase that they’ve worked so hard to establish.
The Atlanta approach of signing a couple of non-closer veterans who have been fairly consistent, and complement them with young pitchers whom you believe to be reliable future relievers might be a more plausible approach. I think the Rangers tried to do that to a certain degree this season, with proven veterans in Oliver and Rhodes to help younger pitchers like Strop make the transition. Unfortunately nothing worked: all of the “reliable” pitchers other than Oliver sucked, and none of Strop, Eppley, Tobin and Tucker took a step forward. I guess it was either incredibly bad luck, rightful consequence of panicking, inability to evaluate pitching talent, or a dash of all three.
Tobin really didn't have a chance to step up
Eppley is young. Tucker is what he is. I had high hope for Strop though.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
In the case of Eppley and Strop,
they could still develop. This is one of those times when you hope a minor leaguer will emerge and be able to help your bullpen. I think the flameout rate of closers is amazingly high, and probably not worth serious free agency money or trading too much value.
I don't know if this is true from a stats perspective
but my favorite bullpen the rangers have ever had was in 2004. Coco, Frankie, Alamzar, and Mahay. Brocail, Shouse and the Eraser weren’t terrible either. I felt like if we had a lead in the 7th it was over. Talk about no names headed into a season.
Almanzar.
I remember that guy.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Bullpen was fantastic
…….now the starters…..yikes.
TO FANGRAPHS!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
AND BEYOND!!!!
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Stupid A's fan
cost us the division when he got Frankie, Alamzar, and Brocail suspended. That may not be completely true but I’ve always thought that was what cost us the division.
Why can I not
spell AlmANzar’s name right?
Kevin Mench
The third-best offensive player for the 2004 Rangers.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
And thank you, Larry Walker
For exercising your no trade clause and killing the deadline deal that would have sent Kinsler and Thompson to Colorado for Walker.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 21, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to pour one out for Hank Blalock's 2004.
His 2005 was terrible. Although Tex’s 2005 was pretty awesome.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Our starting pitching in 2005 was a grisly trainwreck.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Our highest WAR player in 2007 was Kevin Millwood with 2.7.
Highest position player was Kinsler with 2.6.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
So I clearly agree
Signing a big name closer is a recipe for disaster.
But at the same time, it is going to be politically tough for the Rangers to move Feliz to the rotation unless there is a “proven” arm out there. Now, clearly that logic is flawed. But that logic isn’t unique to the Rangers and sticking our heads in the sand and hoping it was different isn’t going to change things.
If a “proven closer” coming in means we get to have Feliz as a starter, is it worth the risk? You say it isn’t an either/or equation – but what if the reality is that it is?
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I'm thinking the only way Feliz is in the 2012 rotation
is if we have a solid gameplan for who is going to close out games. Not just a lick and a promise.
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
Outside of going after a proven or expensive FA closer
I see 3 was to go with this.
1) Keep Happy as the closer
2) Tanner Scheppers
3) Mark Lowe or maybe Eric Hurley(next year if he gets back on track)
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Pretty much this
I’m hoping that Scheppers or Lowe can show enough that they take the job, assuming Feliz is rotation-bound.
by Outworlder47 on Jun 21, 2011 3:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
One of them will have to seize the 8th inning role this year to have a chance at closer next year
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
AJM speaks The Truth.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
JD has stated, and several media guys have mentioned that the Rangers front office does not like to give big contract to relievers
so I wonder if they are really serious about doing this. It’s much more likely that they trade for a reliever who is not a closer that may be able to step in as the closer (like what they hoped Mark Lowe to be).
Feliz will be the closer next year and beyond.
I know you're still struggling to find your way in LSB but you'd probably feel more comfortable in one of the other threads that talks about
weather, fashion, video games, uniform colors, etc. . - Josey Wales 5/18/11
If I had to bet money, this would be my play.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I think we are in the same position the Red Sox have been in the past few years.
They tried to move Papeldouche back to the rotation a couple of times but never could replace him. They might be able to now that a replacement could likely perform better. That could also be Feliz’s one ticket to the rotation—prolonged ineffectiveness as a closer.
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
with Feliz
I think it is because he would rather close the start. And some in the org would prefer he close also.
I know you're still struggling to find your way in LSB but you'd probably feel more comfortable in one of the other threads that talks about
weather, fashion, video games, uniform colors, etc. . - Josey Wales 5/18/11
Yep...
Ive said it all along too
Dont sign big money relievers…dont trade for relievers
both are simply a fucking awful use of limited resources
"It was like the movie Die Hard. The guy gets shot in the leg, he’s limping around and he still throws the bad guy down the elevator shaft. I was about to throw an eephus pitch."-CJ Wilson
Josey Wales is stupid
I know I'm preaching to the choir on this issue...
…but this falls in the category of “things I want to go on record about, with reasons”…
We might be the choir
but I have no doubt there are umpteen media peoples out there who agree with Ryan that we need a proven closer before moving Feliz out of the role.
Yes, but can't "proven closer" mean a rock-solid 8th inning guy??
Isn’t that sort of the career path – the “closer in waiting” role?
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I would actually think a proven closer is a bad thing. I mean
isn’t the saying “you’re a closer/in the bullpen because you suck too much to be a starter?”
So what you’re saying is, you want a guy who sucks consistently enough not to be a starter, but not so bad that you get sent down or released.
That’s not good.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I think that applies more to the rest of the bullpen than it does closers
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I'd be shocked if JD were planning to throw $40M+ at Papelbon
But, hopefully posts like this can give the media an alternative view.
I'm sure Washington will want a proven closer since his ass will be the one the line.
The front office will have to get creative in order to please Washington while not spending a huge portion of the budget on closer.
I'm not sure how much Washington's ass is on the line
in that, don’t most people think he’ll get another manger’s gig if he gets fired from this one?
I'm sure he would but...
wouldn’t he (anyone) prefer they not get fired? So if a “proven closer” improves his chances of sticking around and having success in the short term, I’m sure he will lobby for that. So JD and the FO will have to find a balance.
Teagarden in the lineup again today...
Interesting.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
NOW Yorvit gets a rest after that game in Atlanta....
Geez Wash
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
he got a rest yeasterday also
I know you're still struggling to find your way in LSB but you'd probably feel more comfortable in one of the other threads that talks about
weather, fashion, video games, uniform colors, etc. . - Josey Wales 5/18/11
Defense, good with the pitchers, can't hit out of a paper sack
What’s there not to love?
It is so very lonely on this bandwagon. I’m keeping with the JBI method and just keep hoping…
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
The normal peeps tweeted it.
Kinsler
Andrus
Hamilton
Beltre
Young
Cruz
Moreland
Teagarden
Chavez
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I can't recall precisely when it happened.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I think TAG talked about it either yesterday or the day before
but didn’t hear the discussion about it
happened when they went to ATL
I know you're still struggling to find your way in LSB but you'd probably feel more comfortable in one of the other threads that talks about
weather, fashion, video games, uniform colors, etc. . - Josey Wales 5/18/11
Twitter is addictive
I know you're still struggling to find your way in LSB but you'd probably feel more comfortable in one of the other threads that talks about
weather, fashion, video games, uniform colors, etc. . - Josey Wales 5/18/11
I agree that big money FA closers and relievers are usually horrible investments...
so what is the plan to get Feliz out of the closer role?
In a perfect world, we would find a flame throwing 8th inning set-up guy to help this years ballclub, and then step in for Feliz next year.
Right now Scheppers seems like the only big-armed option internally for this team that could be anywhere close to helping the big club in a major role.
On the trade front….who knows?
by death of the cool on Jun 21, 2011 5:21 PM CDT reply actions
i get the feeling the Rangers know this
that they shouldn’t pay anyone ridiculous money to come in and get 3 outs with a 2-3 run lead.
and, JD hasn’t shown he would do that either…I’m not too worried.

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