Ranger rehabbing relievers reduxing in Round Rock, and why Texas should go to a six man bullpen
Per Anthony Andro of the S-T, this weekend will be rehabbing major leaguers weekend for the Round Rock Express.
Tommy Hunter will start on Friday and will pitch three to four innings, as the Rangers continue to work him on more of a middle/long man relief schedule than on a starter's schedule. Darren O'Day, on the 60 day d.l., will also pitch then, per Andro.
Scott Feldman will start on Saturday for the Express, and Eric Hurley will pitch on Sunday, although Andro doesn't indicate whether Hurley will start or pitch in relief. My guess is that Hurley will start, since they can better control his warmup time and such by having him begin the game on the mound.
Hunter has struggled his last couple of outings, which may have the Rangers more reluctant to activate him and put him in the bullpen. If they choose to activate any of their disabled pitchers and option them, rather than put them on the major league roster, the optioned pitcher can't return for at least ten days (unless someone on the active roster goes on the d.l.).
Feldman has been pitching well and would seem to be ahead of Hunter in the pecking order. There were indications earlier this week that O'Day may pitch both Friday and Saturday, and if he can show he can handle back to back outings this weekend, he could be back up at the start of the week.
What I'd like to see the Rangers consider is going back to a six man bullpen, but using guys with options to give them more flexibility. If the Rangers were to release Dave Bush when Mike Napoli is ready to come back, it would allow them to keep both Taylor Teagarden and Endy Chavez,* giving them more flexibility on the bench.
* I'm starting to think that having Chavez and David Murphy both is a bit superfluous anyway, but whatever.
Michael Kirkman could be the Rangers' long man. If Kirkman ends up having to go multiple innings and the Rangers want a fresh long man, they could option Kirkman and bring up Hunter or Feldman.* If Yoshinori Tateyama goes a couple of days in a row and they want a fresh arm, they can option him and bring up Darren O'Day.
* I'm reasonably certain that Feldman has an option left. He would have to clear waivers to be optioned, because he was first added to the 25 man roster more than three years ago, but no one is going to claim him.
Between Kirkman, Hunter, Feldman, Tateyama, O'Day, Mark Lowe and Ryan Tucker, the Rangers have a collection of arms that could be shuttled between Round Rock and Texas as needs dictate, giving them a deeper bench and the ability to keep fresh arms in the bullpen. I don't know if Texas would actually do this, but it would be nice to see them try it this summer.
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maybe just a little Bush?
some shrubbery, at least?
by rockin_rangers on Jun 24, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I like bush.
I just never understood how you guys can spend so much time discussing it it…
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Interesting take
on the shuttle system between Arlington and Austin. Is the reason you think Feldman gets through waivers his price tag or ability? I bet there are plenty of teams out there who think they can help him get that sinker going again and make him a serviceable starter. I wish we had a way to know each pitchers comparative health, I know stats help confirm, but I think that is going to determine in the order we start bringing them back…
Two things
One, there’s sort of a “gentlemen’s agreement” that guys being optioned who don’t have to go through revocable waivers will not be claimed.
Two, I don’t think anyone wants to take his contract.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 23, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Fucking Pineda.
Struck out Espinosa and Pudge swinging with the bases loaded.
"Nolan's about to make me shit my pants." by LiamP on Jun 21, 2011 11:10 PM CDT
I'd rather have Davis up here than Teagarden if we're going full depth.
With Napoli as the primary catcher.
And the caveat that Davis plays some OF in addition to 1B/3B/DH for resting guys.
Also start mixing in more days off for Beltre.
And somehow trade David Murphy.
"Nolan's about to make me shit my pants." by LiamP on Jun 21, 2011 11:10 PM CDT
well, Yorvit is going to keep being the primary catcher
so Teagarden up here simply means that Wash can’t make Napoli sit on the bench because “you don’t DH your second catcher” nonsense.
And the problem with Davis is that Davis + Napoli + Young is just too many guys who really don’t have a position and only one DH slot. Sure, you could mix them in with Moreland and give Kinsler and Beltre days off. But then we’d have Aquaman screaming a fit.
I don’t know what to do with Murphy, other than just hope that he gets hot like he has in past years that he’s started slow.
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I would probably scream a fit...
But why in that situation?
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oh, giving Kinsler days off with Young at 2b
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I do hate the very essence of that idea...
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I don't see much point in having Davis up
Unless you drop Chavez or Murphy, or Moreland gets hurt.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 23, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I mentioned something about Murphy.
"Nolan's about to make me shit my pants." by LiamP on Jun 21, 2011 11:10 PM CDT
It seems like the only path for Davis to be on the team
is if he becomes some sort of super-utility guy who can backup 3b and be the 5th outfielder.
I’ll just throw this out there for you: would it make sense for the Rangers to consider trading Moreland? Of the guys who have overlapping skill sets and competing for the same playing time (Young, Napoli, Davis, Moreland, even Murphy), he’s the one guy who has any trade value at all. More than Davis or Borbon or Murphy, if a team wanted a major league regular in return for a closer or CF, he’s the one guy who’d be attractive.
I’m not saying I want to – I like Moreland for precisely the reasons he has value. He’s energetic, he continuously surpasses expectations, despite lacking all obvious tools, he just plays baseball really well. He’s like a really, really poor man’s Lance Berkman. But if you’re the Padres in need of real major league talent… can you say no to a Moreland + stuff for Heath Bell?
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
well, generally I'm of the opinion that any trade for a closer or a rental is a horrible trade
After all, I opposed Smoak for Lee, and Moreland>Smoak and Lee>Bell.
But unlike last year, this Rangers team appears to need something extra to be assured the playoffs (which baffles me, given the makeup of this club). I think some sort of trade is inevitable, and you aren’t getting a Bell or Beltran or whoever without giving up something important. So it’ll be Profar, Perez, or a guy like Moreland center-piecing your deal. And I think with the first two you’re going to need to throw in more pieces.
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Ehhh, I'd say Smoak>Moreland but Lee>>>Bell
And I don’t think you trade Moreland, because he’s been one of the most consistent bats in your lineup. He’s not the most threatening, but he also doesn’t seem to have many slumps, which many of our other big bats seem to be struggling with this season.
I should say
I don’t think you trade Moreland for a bullpen piece. Hypothetically, Moreland as part of a Rasmus deal would be A-OK by me.
I don't want to assume that Chris Davis can hold down an every day position.
And have the mess at 1B we had last year again.
I suppose you could make Napoli / Young full time 1B if you Davis bombed for the third straight year…
But I think Mitch has a LOT of value. More than half a season of Heath Bell.
"Nolan's about to make me shit my pants." by LiamP on Jun 21, 2011 11:10 PM CDT
maybe
guys like Moreland don’t get traded that often, but then again, there aren’t too many guys like Moreland around. I don’t really know what his trade value is, other than that it is higher than it ever has been, higher than the Rangers ever dreamed it could be, and probably higher than it should be. If you could get something better, by all means do it (insert fun Colby Rasmus reference here). But I think you have to consider it…
Anyway, he’s the only Ranger position player who has trade value and is at all expendable (at least in terms of having decent options to replace him).
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
If all we got for a guy with 5+ years of team control
That in his first full season was batting .300/.360/.480 with decent 1B defense and can play COF…
Was a rental closer… I’d be pissed.
And you said Moreland+.
Which makes me think you really don’t value Moreland that high or don’t think others will.
"Nolan's about to make me shit my pants." by LiamP on Jun 21, 2011 11:10 PM CDT
I'd be annoyed too
I don’t like rental trades. I still think the Lee deal was foolish.
If Moreland is really a .300/.360/.480 player, then you don’t trade him. My guess is that he’s not quite that good (though I could be wrong and my Lance Berkman-lite analogy is really apropos).
I also don’t know what Heath Bell’s (or anyone elses) trade value is going to be. Will something like Erlin+ be enough? Will they instead demand Profar or Perez (or equivalent?) And if it is the latter, all I’m suggesting is that the Rangers may be better suited to ask themselves whether they feel like Moreland really is who he’s been so far before parting with a blue chip or two.
Because I’m increasingly becoming certain that the Rangers are going to make some sort of move. I don’t know what, exactly… but I think they’ll do something.
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Well
you could trade him….but it sure as fuck isnt for Heath fucking Bell
Fucking bullpens….such a fucking waste of resources
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Rizzo
What about him? You think they want Mitch in that huge outfield every day?
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kind of forgot about Rizzo
yeah… they’re not going to want to move their key AGon trade piece away from 1b quite yet. (also, this is even more reason that Davis is a terrible, terrible fit for the Padres)
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I thought the Rangers FO gave a pretty clear signal this off-season
I’ll just throw this out there for you: would it make sense for the Rangers to consider trading Moreland?
What makes you think the Rangers would be willing to give up Moreland for a relief pitcher when they weren’t willing to do so for a starter (Matt Garza)?
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I'd love for someone to claim Feldman...
I think what you are talking about is generally the problem with this team right now. The main pieces are all very solid: the rotation is as good as you could ever hope for, Feliz stresses us out, but he is a closer. Other than CF, the lineup is pretty much as good as we could hope for (clearly some guys need to perform up to expectations, but there is little to complain about).
But the bullpen needs to be shaken up, and in doing so fix the bench. Oddly enough, one could argue that it is depth that is killing this team this year, which is strange given that it seemed to be one of the Rangers strengths coming into the season.
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I guessing at some point in the near future...
O’Day replaces Tateyama
Hunter replaces Bush
Feldman replaces Kirkman (although I wish it was Rhodes)
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I actually think Tateyama is better against lefties than O'Day.
I say that because he can throw a change up with a lot of movement, and historically that is a good pitch for right handers against lefties, as long as the right hander can spot his fastball. Plus if he can bore inside to a lefty with something like a slyder, that’s even better. Of the current bullpen I would rate Yoshi as the third most reliable behind Feliz and Lowe. I suppose Oliver would be fourth, with Kirkman the lefty with the most potential to get right handed batters. That leaves Rhodes and cough, cough, choke, don’t ask me to decide between him and Bush.
Kirkman could be the long man. A six man rotation would be musical chairs with Round Rock. I could live with it and if the Rangers figured out who was doing what in the outfield, or what the most solid seven man bullpen was, then they could move Teagarden down. I think there is an advantage to having him up during interleague games.
Rhodes and Bush should depart as soon as replacements are available.
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I don't think Feldman has any options remaining
From what i remember we burned his last option in 08 when we sent him down to AA to convert to a starter. Because the ML season started so early (game in japan on March 25th) his option was fully burnt even though he was back up in the majors on April 13th.
Going into 2009 he was a concern because in 08 he had been mediocre and we had to either keep him or run him through waivers ala Nelson Cruz. We kept him and he had his breakout 09 season.
Scott Lucas’ site also says Feldman is out of options
I don't think teams playing in Japan impact Feldman's option status
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 23, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
That said, if '08 did use his final option year, the alternative is to outright him
You can only do that once, but it allows you to clear both a 25 man and 40 man spot.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 23, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
How did the mound support that much weight?
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