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Heh.. Anyways..

My manager is editing time clocks and employees aren't getting paid for the full time they are here. We have certain time were scheduled to but you don't leave until you are done so some people are here 15-20 minutes after their scheduled time to leave. Well he's been for a couple months now backing up that time so they are working it but not getting paid for it and just clocks them out at their scheduled time.

Some people have lost about $100 a month since it started.. I work at a time where it doesn't hit me very much.. just by minutes so I've lost about $20 a month. He has done this with everyone. He's a good guy and a friend. This company is the only company he's worked for and has so for the past 10 years.. I think he'll get fired over this and it would ruin him. If I felt he was doing this solely for his own gain then I would have no problem reporting it right away, but I really feel a large part of it is he is ignorant to it being wrong. Though that's also hard to believe somewhat as well.

Although I could go directly do him, I don't feel that justice would be served for the rest of the employees.  He would stop, but what about the months of loss wages?  If we take this to the top would getting back loss wages even be an option?  There's no way to tell the exact amount of time edited off, other than seeing he edited every time during this time period and checking the cameras to see those people still working at that time.  I feel morally obligated to bring this to light for the rest of the employees sake, although I don't really want to ruin my bosses life either..

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“Although I could go directly do him”

by JDavidd on Jun 23, 2011 9:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I can't speak to the legality of getting your backpay reimbursed

but what he is doing is theft. It’s not right and you seem like a good guy, so I assume this is a problem for you. You going along and not saying anything is akin to helping him in stealing these peoples money and time.

The only middle ground I can think of is to get your company’s policy on changing time clocks and bring it to his attention. Inform your boss (and friend) that what he is doing is stealing from people. I would only do this if you really consider him a friend and value this job and his friendship a great deal.

If he’s just an acquaintance or a work-friend, then, depending on how big your company is, I would contact your HR rep and have them launch an investigation. You are protected under the whistle blower law. I would certainly suggest you do something, especially if you plan on being at that company for a long amount of time. I’ve seen waaay too many co-workers/bosses get caught up in drawer skimming/time-clock skimming shenanigans.

If you don’t have an HR rep or number, then it gets a bit more sticky because I’ve found that the bosses of your boss usually leans towards the boss first, lower employee second when it comes to disputes. It’s a little more tricky if this is the case.

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by AceJC on Jun 23, 2011 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

he is very, very, very lucky he is not in healthcare or in california

your company is going to get sued if he keeps it up

seconding a) getting the policy and b) telling HR

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KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Jun 24, 2011 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well

I’d bring it up with him directly, and if he is a “good guy” and was truly just doing it unknowingly, then he’ll do what is right. If he is not a good guy, then you’ll have to take a broader action by going up the food chain.

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by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2011 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

If there are any wage and hour lawyers around here, I'm sure they're salivating.

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by JDT217 on Jun 23, 2011 9:42 PM CDT reply actions  

How about calling the wage and hours division of the Department of Labor from a university phone?

I think there is more risk in taking this to him than you think, and like AceJC says there are good reasons to be wary of someone higher up.

Since you seem uncertain, don’t email them or call from your personal line, but they may be able to point you to fact sheets or policy statements or otherwise give some helpful advice. The two toll free numbers on their site are as follows:

1-866-4USWAGE
1-866-487-9243

by other_shoe on Jun 23, 2011 10:07 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yes, I would only consider the confrontation

if he was a really good and true friend. And even then it’s a risk.

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by AceJC on Jun 23, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like dinosaur porn addiction

That’s a real problem

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by Chrom on Jun 23, 2011 11:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tap those brakes.

Ain’t nothin wrong with wantin to see some dino gettin they dick sucked.

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by River Fenix on Jun 24, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I didn't really read, but are you paid hourly?

If so, you make an anonymous report to the Department of Labor to make a complaint, and they will audit the company.

I had a client that the DOL did this to, and it’s a fucking pain in the ass for the employer, so I would recommend it only if you really don’t have another way to solve shit. But it’s there.

by FuturePants on Jun 23, 2011 11:16 PM CDT reply actions  

You could absolutely get lost wages.

"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne

by Texas Jihad on Jun 24, 2011 12:16 AM CDT reply actions  

If the company was smart they would just pay up even though that no knowledge supposedly

No need to get the sheisty lawyers involved. If every employee is made whole I am sure there would be no issue…. But seriously, robots shouldn’t be getting paid anyway.

"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne

by Texas Jihad on Jun 24, 2011 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

*they had no knowledge supposedly

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by Texas Jihad on Jun 24, 2011 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love you

She is top 5 for me.

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by Texas Jihad on Jun 24, 2011 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

This was the first time I have recced something in months

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by Texas Jihad on Jun 24, 2011 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

She may be top 1 for me too

I know if we were saying just doing the humpty dance, she would for sure be number 1.

"Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne

by Texas Jihad on Jun 24, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

She could hurt a man with that ass.

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by TXHC on Jun 24, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mike

Do the other employees know it is him? And how close of a friend is he?

by benjihana on Jun 24, 2011 1:56 AM CDT reply actions  

No one knows of it except for me and 2 other people that I have told.

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by Mike E on Jun 24, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know anything about the law, but that sounds scary for you to me.

What if one of them reports him, and it comes out that you knew but didn’t do anything?

by Closure GT on Jun 24, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have your solution

Right here.

I’m not a psychopath. I’m a high functioning sociopath. Do your research.

by LSJ on Jun 24, 2011 2:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm sorry to say this..

but if this has truly been going on for a couple of months, then there is about to be some serious shit coming down there. You just can’t steal workers wages, especially if they are paid by the hour and know what they should be getting compensated. You may not need to do anything. If coworkers are really losing $100/month, someone is going to say something.

Where's my wallet?!?!?

by hotshot215 on Jun 24, 2011 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

some people are really ignorant of their rights

…and/or they may fear for their job at a time in which it’s not easy to get a new one. Never count on anyone else to blow a whistle.

by Black Francis on Jun 24, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

very true

at my work, we have a hand-punch and a sign-in sheet, in case there is something wrong with the power or whatever. I can’t believe there’s no backup time-log. I get the feeling this guy has been told by mgmt to “make sure everyone gets their job done, but no overtime for anyone, regardless.” And they will let him fall on the sword if the whistle is blown.

Where's my wallet?!?!?

by hotshot215 on Jun 24, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, this is most likely the case.

I’ve had a couple of jobs where that’s how it was.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Jun 24, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

big lawsuit coming.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Jun 24, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh...

This is a case of unpaid overtime if y’all are getting 40 hrs a week in otherwise. That is illegal in TX, but probably a bitch to fight and it is unlikely worth it. If I were you I would just bitch and moan, mentioning TX state unpaid overtime law, and try and find a new gig.

by booyakasha on Jun 24, 2011 11:39 AM CDT reply actions  

or just strap some C-4 to your chest and demand payment.

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by Ryin A on Jun 24, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I prefer Amonnia Nitrate-Aluminum

Nothing like some good ANAL.

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by Keynes on Jun 24, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha.

It would be epic to see a computer roll up on a remote controlled car with C4 strapped to it and a message on the monitor that said “PAY UP SUCKA -————>” (the arrow is pointing to the POS system attached to the side of the monitor).

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by TXHC on Jun 24, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a serious issue

If someone sues as a group for all the lost OT it comes up to a lot of money plus penalties (I believe it’s twice the actual lost wages). This is how some plaintiff’s lawyers make their living. Speaking of which – where do you work?

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Jun 24, 2011 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh, and you can collect attorneys' fees too.

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Jun 24, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

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