Pre-Draft Thread
by clark on Jun 3, 2011 6:26 PM CDT
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PrintOkay guys, let's use this thread to consolidate chatter, rumors, links, scouting reports, etc in the days before Monday night's first round coverage.
Today saw two different mocks emerge from BA, an expert's draft compiled by four of their writers that has us taking Joe Ross, and a true mock compiled by Jim Callis that has us landing Swihart. Be sure to check out their top 200 rankings as well.
I'll try to compile some other links as I find them.
LSB's thoughts on Brandon Nimmo
Hat tip to Longhorn for bringing Frankie's top 100 list to our attention.
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Matt Skole has emerged as a player I like, perhaps irrationally
Jake’s older brother, he is considered a strong defensive 3B coming out of Georgia Tech.
His profile page
His 2011 stats page
BA says he’s probably a 5th or 6th round guy, and we not exactly need another collegiate 3B at the top of the draft, and if we do get one, some might think it should be Garret Buechele. All that said, if we snagged Skole in the 4th, I wouldn’t complain.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
this is a decent write up on him
and it includes this intriguing bit:
Has made a few starts behind the plate this season
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
If Klay Thompson is there @15 when Indiana is picking, a team who is known to like Roddy...
Roddy for Klay and McRoberts?
x
I doubt they’d give up anything for Roddy at this point having already gotten Collison, and I don’t think the Mavs need more jump-shooting non-defenders with questionable athleticism.
I only care about Burks. We could really use that guy.
by brettgardner on Jun 4, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
What was the 3-way deal being talked about? I can't remember who Indiana was getting...
but i think Collison was going out.
i think there are reservations about him sticking at third...
"Its called stats!"
by steel home on May 4, 2011
yeah i just read that
and that’s why i think he lasts until the fifth or so. still, i like the approach at the plate.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Assuming the Nats take Starling at 6
Imagine a Nationals team with Zimmerman and Werth, and a Harper, Strasburg, J. Zimmermann and Starling that all reach their ceilings
>mfw
BP mock is up
33. Texas Rangers: Josh Osich, LHP, Oregon State. There is some thought that the Rangers will spend big on a player like Josh Bell, but that also might be a ploy best used in the later rounds. Their location just might give them a leg up on landingBell, but Osich is a name that has been in the rumor mill for a while. One name I’ve yet to hear is their 2009 first-round pick, left-hander Matt Purke.
Lots of Osich talk
Bell, but not here—Texas connect could help chances.
No Purke
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
i'm not...pitchers in this draft that have already had TJ surgery are not going be high on my list
especially at 33.
"Its called stats!"
by steel home on May 4, 2011
only started throwing curves again three weeks ago..fb and change are good but
that’s a pretty big question mark. has great relief stuff but the question marks surrounding his curveball make my skeptical if he can start.
"Its called stats!"
by steel home on May 4, 2011
it seems like we're hearing his name a lot
and we heard skole’s name a lot last year (although not purke’s the year before, so who knows).
Frankie has him ranked 23 overall, which is the highest I’ve seen him ranked. Honestly, he makes some sense for us, since he’s a physically mature lefty who throws in the low to mid 90s with decent movement, a solid change up, and a curveball he only recently started throwing again.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
to be honest
I’m just as intrigued with their other big starter, Sam Gaviglio. He K’ed almost a hitter per inning (in 30 more innings than Osich, despite the same number of starts) and seems to have enough movement on his stuff to keep from getting hit hard (only two HRs on the year).
BA says this about him:
Gaviglio doesn’t blow hitters away with premium velocity, but his fastball is plenty firm at 89-91 mph, and it has excellent sink and run. Casey and Gaviglio agreed that his changeup and slider are equally effective secondary offerings, and he mixes in a curveball, as well
.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
how far do people have purke falling?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Lots of Jungmann gossip floating around
Wouldn’t be shocked to him go in the top 10, possibly as high as #7 (Arizona). Not a crazy ceiling, but polished arm that should move fast and sign. Good draft selection for a team with an unprotected pick.
Got a strange question...
how do you find out the draft buzz… do you straight up ask someone that w\ill be in the draft room about how their board is or how they feel about someone or is it more a feeling out of particular scouts?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
If I get something from deep inside the baseball belly, I don't share it on a message board
That would be very bad for business. However, if I get something from a scout or writer about a player, or any other source that is on the periphery, I’ll pass it along.
lots of rumors to Houston at 11. will know more after his start tomorrow and following starts
to see how his velo holds up.
"Its called stats!"
by steel home on May 4, 2011
Good thread, Clark.
Thanks for doing this.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I miss Dirkatron.
:(
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I like this Joe Ross kid...
Looking up to the 6-foot-6 Tyson, both figuratively and literally, is a significant reason why. While Tyson’s wary of casting a shadow — he too starred at O’Dowd — Joe thrives on busting through it. When opposing teams attempted to rattle him by yelling terse challenges like “You’re not Tyson!” from the dugout, adrenaline started flowing.
“It makes me want to prove that I am my own person,” he says, “and I think I am better than he was.”
MLB.com Draft guru Jonathan Mayo believes Ross should boast a repertoire that, once polished, will feature two superior pitches. His fastball has registered as high as 96 mph, and his slurve is often 10 or so ticks slower. Ross’ changeup leaves more to be desired, according to Mayo, who described the offering to be in its “nascent stages.”
Told of Mayo’s scrupulous scouting report, the pitcher responds: “I have a pretty good changeup, though, so…”
KINK
Promote Mike Olt to Round Rock!
have we been linked to him anywhere?
I feel like the only names I’ve really heard linked to us consistently are Nimmo and Osich. There’s a glut of HS arms that are expected to be picked in the 25-40 range, and I haven’t heard us attached to any single one, and probably for good reason.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
A lot of people
feel he just won’t be there for the Rangers to take. If he is I’d be all over Ross.
Ross at 33 and Bell at 37. We could only hope. Though getting a guy like Harrison at 37 would be a boon too. As long as he can hit they’ll find some place to play him.
New Rumor
via twitter linking to another Pirates pay source, Pittsburgh will take Cole first overall.
I'm calling it now
in 5 years, they’ll wish they took Bundy or Bauer.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Bauer
I think his arms will fall off sometime during his 2nd major league season
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
The Bauer stuff is overblown
Trevor Bauer: 165 Ks, 41 BBs, 10 HRs in 131 innings.
Gerrit Cole: 153 Ks, 52 BBs, 4 HRs in 123 innings.
The latter has much better stuff, a better frame and a cleaner delivery. I’m not sure why everyone makes Bauer out to be a stunningly advanced pitcher. His numbers aren’t much better than Cole’s.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
"LSB is big on the sanctity of life for some reason." ---LSJ
where did those numbers come from?
according to the Bruins website:
Bauer: 127.2 IP, 34 BBs, 67 H, 6 HRs, 189 Ks
Cole: 114.1 IP, 24 BBs, 103 H, 8 HRs, 119 Ks.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
You're right
I went to their personal pages on the school site and the last year listed was 2010. I grabbed last year’s figures because I was too drowsy to look closely at the season.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
"LSB is big on the sanctity of life for some reason." ---LSJ
I just keep going back to that hit rate and K rate...
there’s got to be something there. Those numbers are crazy.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
thisthisthisthis
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
many are overvaluing Cole's results this year...
the stuff has been fine, his command has been off which has resulted in inflated BABIP and some bombs…but the stuff has not dropped off any.
"Its called stats!"
by steel home on May 4, 2011
cole has ace stuff
cole should be 1:1 imho
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
For those with Insider
Final top 100
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
The MiLB Mock Draft
FB03 took Joe Ross and Travis Harrison with 33 and 37
That would be a fap worthy first day
>mfw
I would fap to that.
I might fap to it now.
Can you link to the rest of the draft? I want to see how things shook out.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
still going
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
There is a nonzero chance that Dillon Maples is on the board when Firebat is up again
UNC commit, pay the money
>mfw
Never heard of him.
Tell me.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
From Jan 11 of this year
Dillon Maples is a little bit of a short-armer, a mid 3/4 guy who tends to lead with his elbow sometimes, but who can make the ball come out of his hand not too badly when he does a better job keeping his body closed. He pitches from no windup, followed by a semi-circle in the back topped by the 3/4 slot. I’d call his arm action and delivery fair at this time. Fastball I had at 90-93 with tail, 2-seam tail, 4-seam a little ride. CB at 79 shows flashes of tight depth. CHG at 83 showed flashes. Needs some "pro-ing" up in the coming years, but not a bad platform to build from here. Be sure to check out the photo store link on this guy. A nice shot, we think.
Video at the page
http://baseballbeginnings.com/2011/01/14/dillon-maples-video#more-10407
>mfw
Asshole Tigers took him.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Astros guy took Brickhouse.
Good pick, but that’s somewhat funny.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Do it!!!
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Hoping he fell to round 3
no dice.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
He took Tyler Goeddel.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
First three picks are Ross, Harrison, and Goeddel.
Numbers 36, 78, and 89 on BA’s top 200.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
They are
23, , and 32 on Law’s final list…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Harrison isn't on the list?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
36
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
you using laws list as your primer?
Anyone you really want in the 3rd or BPA?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Jake Cave
is what I’m hoping falls to us. I’m really just using a collection of sources, I liked Goeddel a lot from the beginning, and it was a chance to take the guy the Yankees wanted.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
always a bonus to scew the NYY
doubt cave makes it much further
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
2 picks left and he might.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
He got him.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I'm fine with you drafting for the Rangers on Monday.
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
I just want to photocopy this draft and repeat it Monday and Tuesday.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
BTW, I think Firebat has done a fantastic job.
I would love this draft.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
would be extremely happy
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
And more than likely,
one or two of Bell, Nimmo, or Swihart will be available at #33 in the real draft.
In this mock, the Cardinals took Bell and the Padres took Swihart. Doesn’t seem very plausible to me.
"Certainly, we were penalties, and we stopped ourselves." - Les Miles
I was really surprised by that Padres pick
The Pads guy is obviously going BPA, not what is most plausible.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
He's been picking close to slot ever since
the Rays guy, on the other hand
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
No joke.
I didn’t realize the Rays had $15 million to spend on this draft.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
there is no way they have a 12M budget for this draft
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
This mock isn't going to be anywhere close
to what it really looks like on draft night. Prospect junkies tend to get caught up in BPA without considering team finances. Luckily, from all indications, the Rangers are one of the few teams in a position to draft quite a few prospects that are asking for well over-slot.
"Certainly, we were penalties, and we stopped ourselves." - Les Miles
Cardinals took Zach Cox AND Austin Wilson last year
so I can see that, though Swihart to the padres is a definite stretch of epic proportions.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I guess I can see them taking Bell...
I’m just surprised because he hasn’t really been linked to them and I want the Rangers to draft him BAD.
"Certainly, we were penalties, and we stopped ourselves." - Les Miles
You are setting yourself up
for disappointment
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Any info on
Kevin Moriarty RHP
I know he is a cold weather HS kid from WA… Law has him 99 and I love the name…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I am a huge advocate
of factoring names into whether or not to draft a kid.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Law dashed my hopes..
laxtonto
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@keithlaw Kevin Moriarty is 99 on your list… got a short bio outside of proj RHP cold weather 6"6 87-90 with meh off speed stuff
keithlaw keithlaw
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.@laxtonto Extremely projectable kid. Also totally unsignable by all accounts.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
where is his commitment?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
the
Extremely projectable kid. Also totally unsignable by all accounts.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
i thought that said comment
my bad
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Just finished transcribing notes from my interview with Parks
I’ve got four pages’ worth.
If anyone wants the 40-minute audio file in advance of the write-up I’m going to post on Cbsdfw.com, send me an email.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
"LSB is big on the sanctity of life for some reason." ---LSJ
i assume you are going to link us to your article? :)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
When it's up
Might take a while. I’m tired and on my first day off this week (I only do web stuff on the side. I get paid to work with cameras and the teleprompter.)
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
"LSB is big on the sanctity of life for some reason." ---LSJ
i will keep an eye out for it whenever that may be
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
FIREBAT
Rocked the draft !!!!
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Very happy with how it shook out.
Cave a pitcher or position player, you think?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
to me he would be the classic start him at SP guy...
Depends on how they think the bat will play.. vs. him sitting 88-91 with late sink/run with projection with feel for a change with some legit fade
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I can't believe I'm saying this, but i'm holding out hope that Swihart falls to us.
I saw him play a few times for team USA. The bat was very impressive. I’m terrified of HS Catchers, but he’s good.
Here's what I'm struggling with.
By all accounts, the Rangers have money to spend in this draft. Not BoSox money, but in the next tier.
The players that they’ve been associated with are some grouping of Nimmo, Osich, Harrison, and maybe Swihart and Bell.
Yet, Keith Law has those first three guys ranked 33, 49, and 36.
So, why is that the combination of a team with money to spend and a draft that’s deep enough that it should provide reasonable cheaper options for teams who don’t want to spend big isn’t resulting in mock drafts with higher ranked talent falling to the Rangers?
Is it that there are enough other teams willing to spend?
Is it that Law’s ranking isn’t the best?
What am I missing here? Shouldn’t we see more guys like Bell and Swihart or other guys in the 20s falling to the 30’s?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
The guys we want the Rangers to spend money on are the same guys the other teams that are likely to spend money on will want, too.
And they pick before we do. So the guys like Bell, Nimmo, and Swihart most likely to fall aren’t falling past teams like the Red Sox.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Are you watching this US-Spain game, GB?
I know absolutely dick about soccer, but it seems like we’re getting dominated so far. Am I wrong?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Nah, I'm in the lab.
It doesn’t surprise me in the least, though. Apparently Spain still holds a small grudge from the Gold Cup (or that might just be media hype).
Either way, Spain is a phenomenally better team. Not only are they better at every single position, but their backups are probably better at every single position.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
It's 0-0
But Spain had a goal taken away on a questionable (at best) offsides call. They also had a shot clang off the top of the goal, and Howard has made two good saves.
We’re 21 minutes into the game.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
1-0 Spain.
Our defense is … not so good.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Can you post the lineups?
I know a couple Spanish players are out and I didn’t see who made it for the US squad.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
we got no one out there, donovan, dempsey, bradley, boca, bornstein all out
we have rogers and Klejstan on the wings, totally screwed there… NOt really a lot to take from a result here
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
good lord
I smell a massacre
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
yea, its pretty awful
sounds like we are saving up for Gold Cup… Way too much to ask against Spain who brought about 3/4ths of their team and their fill-ins are certainly better than anyone we have on the field.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
I would probably ask for a refund if I were at the game.
At the very least, a free beer.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
full lineup i think is:
Howard
Specter-Onewyu-Ream-Lechaj
Klejstan-Edu-Jones-Rogers
Aguedelo-Altidore
3-0… we really have no shot with that lineup, no possesion, not solid in the back… Aguedelo is running around and trying to make plays, I really like watching him play, but he really is not able to do anything out there.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Not a chance.
There’s not even enough talent there for the youth players to learn much.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Ok, this may be overstating things a bit,
but you get my point.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
playing Klejstan and Robbie on the wings completely destroys this team
our greatest strengths on this team is on the wings. When we have everyone we play solid d in the midfield and have the ability to counterattack with our wing players.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Yeah,
our main chance to win is through ‘effort’ and mucking it up.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
yup, exactly... muck it up and then counter attack for a goal or two.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
agreed, I think we had to scratch Donovan for illness and a couple for last second injuries
that’s what the announcers are saying: just not enough talent for the youngsters to even learn anything positive it seems.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
I agree with them.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
2-0 Spain.
That looked really, really easy.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I should add
It’s not just that they have better individual talent. They have a much better team approach not just in comparison to the US, but virtually every other country in the world (maybe 4ish other countries in their tier). By that, I mean they are thought this approach from the time they are teenagers playing in their national or club academies.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
The answer is obvious.
We need Lebron to play soccer.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
See a lot of 6'8" Spanish guys out there?
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
Shit if I know.
They’re using a football camera angle to watch a game on a much bigger field. These guys could be 6’1" or 7’ and I wouldn’t be able to tell.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
They're probably mostly 5'9".
"I hope the image of my erect penis sears into your brain." by ab03 on Mar 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Heh.
It would be entertaining to see what a team resembling Ghana or Ivory Coast would do with American training.
Still, it takes more than athleticism.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
x
Still, it takes more than athleticism.
Taking the US youth setup their sweet time to come to this realization. I’ve never seen a country under-emphasize technique so much.
Yeah,
I can understand why they would think this, or search for their Michael Jordan, but the lack of technique is frustrating.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
x
I can understand why they would think this
I don’t. Technique trumps athleticism every time.
yeah i get looking for the jordan in soccer
and you can find him
but being technique >> athleticism
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I think it's the influence from other sports.
The US doesn’t dominate men’s basketball because of superior technique.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
But that's so incredibly stupid.
Gerald Green was crazy athletic, but stupid as shit and couldn’t shoot to save his life. Joey Gathright is the most athletic fucker on the planet but couldn’t hit off a tee.
Even in US sports, athleticism will only take you so far. Yet the US continues to champion guys like Altidore and Onyewu, who are physical behemoths but have shittier technique and positional awareness than me.
+1
talent = important
but look at the “athleticism” of players on the field for spain
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
It's not about looking for the right players, it's developing them properly.
I was talking to a co-worker of mine who has been coaching youth soccer in the midwest for decades. For the most part, they spend very little time on training drills and 5 a sides (for example). Most of the development is done in regular games, which is basically the opposite of what happens in Europe.
i dont know enough about how development works in the US
but how does it compare to say tennis + IMG academy? or is there such a level of things (academy kind of setting)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Ugh.
Let’s not talk about US tennis development.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
i just know a little about the academy structure/idea/thing
not much
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Let me just put it to you this way:
It’s bad.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
heh
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Yes, I read about this as well.
It’s vastly different from how they do it in other countries.
Reading a long article on how the Dutch do it a couple years back was mind blowing.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
remember anything else about it?
i want to read
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Eh,
I see your point, but it’s not just technique that sets LeBron James and Josh Hamilton apart.
Perhaps it’s even the influence of football, where athleticism rains supreme at virtually all positions but 3-4.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
the issue is that at the moment the "besT" US player is who
howard most likely
a GK or a defensive guy or a holding midfielder will not capture the attention of the US
because of how sports are in the US it needs to probably be a forward
:(
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I think another issue
is that it’s hard to convince kids to pick a sport where, if they succeed at the highest level, they will have to go to Europe.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
That's apples and oranges though.
I’m serious when I compare Onyewu and Altidore to Gerald Green and Gathright. LeBron and Hamilton are physical freaks who have been developed to translate their athleticism into dominance in their sport. Onyewu and Altidore haven’t been developed properly, and are basically athletically gifted players without a clue of how to play their sport.
Here's something I read a long time ago
trying to address that. I’m not sure what it’s like now, but I know they are working on the issue:
“On the national staff, we would talk about some habits, or talk about reactions, and where those habits and reactions get instilled,” said Hackworth. “They get instilled in young players when the game doesn’t really meet the demands. What it basically means is that we needed to have these players not only play less games, but we needed them to play meaningful games, so the competition would hold them accountable, and make them play out of their comfort zone.”
To that end, the USSF insists that academy teams have a minimum practice to game ratio of 3-to-1, the better to hone skills and address weaknesses in a non-game setting. Playing multiple games in a day, a staple of youth tournaments across the country, is prohibited.
Ficken is in a position to know. He was a youth player in the U.S. during the 1960s and has been a youth coach for more than three decades. Ficken said he has seen improvement in his players “overnight,” and this was just minutes after watching his side fall 2-0 to their counterparts from the Chicago Fire.
“Today’s game was, for want of a better word, a culture shock,” said Ficken. “We met a Chicago Fire team that played modern, collective soccer, that was one- or two-touch, at a level and a speed that we’ve never experienced or seen in the New York high school environment that our kids come from. … The whole idea is to prepare our kids to play at a speed conducive to beating international opponents.”
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
But Miami doesn't have an MLS team...
where would he take his talents?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
To Dallas!
Let him play both sports!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
First decent shot of the game for the US just now.
And we had our first Spanish flop. And our second.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
3-0 Spain, 41 minutes into the game.
Howard is going ballistic right now.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
This would be like CJ Wilson playing
with the RoughRiders against the NL All Star team.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Howard would go ballistic if it was a little league game
dude is all out competitive.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
I like him for that.
Love him for it, actually.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
he's a great goalie
im glad he’s on our team.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Ah, juega bonita.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
christ US
get your shit together
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
the lineup we are running out there is b team at best
against the world’s best, no chance in hell.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
"the worlds best"
…come on. they are not exactly playing the whole team either
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
they aren't sitting many either
missing what? 3 starters? They still have back up players better than anyone we have on the field…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
I dream of the day
when the US could field a team as competitive as Spain’s current backups.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
well yeah
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I'm probably considered one of the most ardent small government types on this board
But I’m ready for the US government to announce that enough is enough and declare soccer war on the rest of the world.
For the rest of time, the Federal Government will spend $1 billion a year, every year (adjusted for inflation) to build the greatest soccer academy of all time. International losses will become moments of national shame. We will dedicate ourselves to winning every World Cup for the rest of time. It will take years to get where we want to be, but you will never beat us again. Ever.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
i wish there would be a patron who would do this
ugh
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
clearly not at a billion
but enough
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I pledge to you now that if I ever become ultra-weathy
I will form a coalition of the rich to make this happen.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
i second that pledge
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
In for a penny.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
BigFan16 needs to get in on this.
His butler could probably support the cause.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Yeah, we need a Pearl Harbor-type-galvanizing moment.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
shit
this game has that potential
maybe getting beaten 7-0 would do something
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
It doesn't have to be a huge statement, just an announcement to the world
This shit is over. Like I said, it will take time, but it will happen.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I'm just saying,
you need some moment to push soccer over the tipping point. It’s already a popular sport amongst kids and is now to the point where the World Cup is close to a must-watch event, but there isn’t that push yet.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
A US World Cup could have done it.
But we got fucked by bribery and corruption.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
true, true
I hate fucking qatar
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Grant Wahl has a piece up at SI about this.
Basically, the main reason we haven’t thrown our lot in with England in calls for dramatic change is possibly/likely that the US exec’s think that Sepp is the best way to get a World Cup to the US in the next 15-20 years.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
well, we may just need a semifinal run or something
Its hard to say what it will take… Maybe just time and patience and some good decision making by those in charge of US soccer… who knows. But honestly, I kind of enjoy the underdog status of US soccer, I just wish we had a punchers chance to really compete against the best countries in the world.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
I think if the US had
a great showing in a World Cup on US soil and then lost to the French or something like that, that would do it.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
YOU MEAN WE LOST TO THOSE CHEESE-EATING SURRENDER MONKEYS?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
might finally get those who are football only, soccer haters, pissed off enough about it
to hate/love US soccer which is generally great for sports revenues
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
ha, exactly
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
haha, I know
the thing is, we can compete with anyone when we field are full squad, but we’ll never be favored against the best in the world and we’ll always need to play perfect to beat them… If we could find a strong defensive line like we had in the confederation cup, we could really compete, but as it is, we are struggling to find impact players at both forward and defensive back.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
I'm ok with the Fulham approach for now,
but that’s a very different matter compared to where my expectations are for the future of US Soccer. Not sure the current leadership is in place for that, though…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
yea, I agree,
we do need to have the players, and we just don’t right now. As easy as it is to blame those in charge, the players aren’t there for us to compete toe to toe on any level with any of the true super powers. I do hope we work towards developing those types of players though.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
and t hey bring on inestia + torres in 2nd half lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
btw
does any team in the world have more GK depth than spain?
iker, pepe + valdes
soooo mcuh talent
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Yeah,
I was trying to think of which of the best US players could make the Spain23. Even Tim fuckin Howard would have to fight for a spot.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
dempsey imho is the only one who would even sniff it
otherwise, none.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Over who?
Torres, Villa, Navas, Cazorla, Silva, Iniesta, Negredo, Llorente, Torres.
Who does he replace?
i loosely placed him as a "midfielder"
he is the only one who would likely crack the top 30 imho
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
OK.
Busquets, Iniesta, Fabregas, Alonso, Xavi, Javi Martinez, Pedro
Dempsey wouldn’t sniff the Spain squad.
pedro should be in the "striker" part btw
you are 99.9999999999999999% right
dempsey just seems like the only one who would even be looked at for 2 secs
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Hah, fuck, what a squad.
They should play a 4-4-2, but have too much damn talent up front.
I’d still probably do that, though. Iniesta, Fabregas, Alonso, Xavi makes my pants tingly.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
i am very interested to see what happens with cesc this offseason
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
You don't think Howard could beat out Valdes ?
I don’t think it’s a given, but over the right small sample size, perhaps with a nice light case of food poisoning from that shellfish heavy paella?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
i think it is a strong given
especially after watching him play so many games the last few years
valdes deserves a lot more praise than he gets imho
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I didn't watch much soccer this year,
so perhaps he’s better now than he was a couple of years ago. He used to have a brainfart or two a game.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
yeah
he was much better this year vs last year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
howard wouldnt be on the team imho
dempsey maybe
donovan i dont think would
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
x
Jen Chang:
To be honest, I’m lost for words in terms of analysis. The U.S. was massively deficient in every single capacity so beyond that, there isn’t much to add.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
how do you blow that?
seriously?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
he had dempsey sitting there waiting for the ball for about 8 seconds
wide open and then he passes it behind him when he finally decides to pass it to him…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
klejstan has no skill
wow, that was awful…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
4-0 Spain.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
im done with this
i hope it is 10-0
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
torres is missing to many open looks for that to happen.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
aka he is playing like he normally does
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Spain just said "fuck it, we're going to put in our backup goalie."
“Our starter will probably get more practice sitting on the bench.”
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Bauer being Bauer...thru 5 1 h 7 k
free stream…
http://www.uclabruins.com/allaccess/?media=246346
"Its called stats!"
by steel home on May 4, 2011
Major props to FBM3. Truly a fap worthy effort, sir
As a Recap
Joe Ross, RHP, Prep
Travis Harrison, 1B/LF, Prep
Tyler Goeddel, 3B, Prep
Jake Cave, RHP, Prepz
>mfw
FWIW
per Law’s Top100:
23
36
32
Not listed
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I've never had access to BA for a draft before.
How do you feel their lists end up working out?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
in that scenario, i probably would have taken
Josh Osich
Levi Michael
Joe Musgrove
Jason Coats/Austin Wood/Cave’s a good pick at that slot though
you're high on Wood? as great as he was in the Cape, he sucked a huge dick this year
his secondaries are terrible
"Its called stats!"
by steel home on May 4, 2011
I'm not a big fan of Levi Michael
I’m honestly not sure what he does well, except that he’s one of the only college SS in this draft that might stick there.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I didn't like him the first time I saw him either,
back when his name was Drew Meyer.
Seriously.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I'm glad you don't get to draft for us.
"Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor."-Capote
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning."-JD
I bet you could distract all the gm's there!
Maybe Cole will fall to us!
"Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor."-Capote
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning."-JD
Since most of you are in here, I have a fantasy trade question
Should I pull the trigger on this?
Send Adrian Gonzalez
Send Chris Young
Receive Carlos Pena
Receive Hunter Pence
Receive Joel Hanrahan
I think I’d be selling low on Chris Young. I mean, yeah, his BABIP is low (20 ish points below career average), but his walk rate and steal rate just took a fucking nose dive. Hunter Pence looks pretty good, but his BABIP is sky high and he’s striking out quite a bit and the ISO is down… Adrian Gonzalez is just so fucking good and I’d hate to lose him and Pena is a little shit eater… I think I’m doing a good job of talking myself out of this trade. My relief corp is shit, but relievers aren’t really very valuable in this league anyway, so…
>mfw
Why would you trade Adrian Gonzalez?
Is this one of those fantasy baseball isn’t like real baseball things?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
kinda
I don’t even know why I really considered it to begin with. I think I was blinded by Chris Young’s mediocrity this year and i’m hopped up on big killer
>mfw
UNC's Greg Holt reminds me a little of Moreland
in that he’s split time between pitching and hitting and done both fairly effectively (hit .385 and slugged .631 in 65 ABs, threw 55 IP with 63 Ks out of the bullpen). I’d like to see what he could do if he concentrated on simply one aspect of the game.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Interesting.
On a related note, Mitch Moreland’s 1.6 WAR is 4th amongst the Rangers position players, 25th in the AL and higher than Justin Smoak’s 1.3 WAR.
Only Russell Martin has more WAR in less PA (1.6 WAR in 187 PA compared to Moreland’s 192 PA).
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Frankie's latest mock draft
has us taking Travis Harrison at 33.
"Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor."-Capote
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning."-JD
holyshit
Frankie loves him some Swihart (#6 overall).
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
He has him going 19 to the Red Sox.
"Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor."-Capote
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning."-JD
Yeah,
I meant in his Top100.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 5, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I really hope
this Hedges to the Sox thing is for real. Because if the Sox pass on Swihart at 26, I can see him lasting not only till 37
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Swihart
I wonder if he’s the Rangers FO’s best case scenario at 33.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 5, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
No Bell in the 1st round as well
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I wonder....
What would happen if Seattle didn’t like Rendon’s medical reports and decided to go with Lindor, a player that really impressed them in a private workout? What does that do to the board? Also, hearing that AZ is seriously considering Bauer over Hultzen. This will probably change a few times before tomorrow.
Something like this:
Pirates: Cole
Mariners: Lindor
DBacks: Bauer
Orioles: Bundy
Royals: Hultzen
Nationals: Starling
DBacks: Bradley
Indians: Gray
Cubs: Rendon
Padres: Barnes
This would be crazy. DBacks could land Bauer and Bradley? Are you kidding me? Could the Mariners really pass up the chance to draft an offensive weapon that will be ready to contribute as early as next season? I don’t see them passing on Rendon unless the medicals are shit, but what if the medicals are shit? The draft is awesome.
well we know the M's are definitely taking a bat
so this scenario seems pretty plausible. I would be ecstatic as an AZ fan if my team landed those two arms. But then, it is pretty rare for a baseball team to have two picks that high. I can only think of the Strasburg/Storen Nationals draft as a comp.
I’ve also heard that Gray could slide, that he’s seen as a solid second option for a lot of teams.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
among the names that seem to have some helium and could slip ahead of our pick:
Andrew Chafin, Joe Ross, Trevor Story, Chris Reed, Travis Harrison, Andrew Susac
And the names that seem like they may surprisingly be there at 33 (non $ related):
Alex Meyer, Jackie Bradley Jr, Jose Fernandez, and maybe Taylor Guerrieri
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Sign me up for Meyer or Guerrieri then
From what I’ve heard Guerrieri sounds a lot like buchholz
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
I just can't get excited about Meyer
I mean that’s a lie, I can definitely get excited about the ridiculous stuff, but everything I’ve read is saying the great stuff is playing down because of the shitty command
>mfw
Was thinking about this...
do I trust the Rangers development staff to get Meyer’s command to AT LEAST average or slightly above average?
And I’m leaning towards yes so if the Rangers do get a chance to get Meyer’s (I think he will be gone before the Rangers pick) I hope they take him.
I'm not sure you can.
Kiker and Beavan were two guys who had great stuff, but had to be reworked and neither are exactly success stories. Beavan may make it, but he’s a pretty different pitcher now.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I'm not sure...
you can compare Kiker or Beavan’s case to Meyer. I don’t remember the Rangers reworking Kiker until after he started sucking ass but they changed Beavan’s delivery to prevent his arm from falling off.
Meyer doesn’t need to reworked (if you think he need to be reworked then I rather the Rangers not pick him); he just need to refine his command.
I don't touch Meyer
How many success stories are there for college pitchers with poor command who “figure it out” in pro ball? I can’t think of many…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Really don't think it'll matter.
Just about everyone has him going to the Nats at 23. Probably the most agreed upon pick in the latter half of the 1st among mocks so far.
I would be delighted if that happened.
by LiamP on Jun 5, 2011 12:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
for what its worth
Callis tweeted yesterday that he now thinks Bauer is the top college pitcher in the draft.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Anthony Meo and Dillon Howard...
Meo isn’t on Law’s, Goldstein’s, Callis’ or Piliere’s latest mock draft and Howard is only picked in Callis’ and Goldstein’s draft. Both are probably first round talents and there is a good chance one of those guys is a 33 and maybe even 37. Tomorrow should be fun.
I really like Dillow Howard
it’s strange that he’s falling. He’s an Arkansas commit, and they’re not in the UT/Vandy/UNC/Stanford league of getting kids to school
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I would love getting Dillon Howard
He’s another one of those prep pitchers that should be around at 33 and 37 that I’d be happy with along with Kelly, Stephenson, Ross, Beede, and Maples
>mfw
Maples is a UNC commit
that combo could get pricey.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Oh dear
TCU standout RHP Kyle Winkler twice grabs elbow in pain during the first inning, departs after just 12 pitches against Oral Roberts. Wow.
TCU... the new Rice?
at least when it comes to injured pitchers.
In all seriousness, that is a horrible development for that poor kid.
I saw OU’s Burch (is that his name?) left in the first yesterday. Not sure if it was injury or performance related, but he’s another top three round arm that now has some question marks.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Does anyone have any thoughts on Alabama CF Taylor Dugas
5’7" but twice as many walks as Ks. Hit .395 with a .525 OBP last year, numbers dipped slightly this year, but he’s an intriguing option as a table setter and he has surprising power numbers for his size. Have no idea about his defense. His coach thinks he’ll go somewhere between 3rd and 7th round. We usually don’t take his type of college player, but I always fall for them anyway.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
The dog peed in the picnic basket!
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 5, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a Clark Griswold reference.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 6, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
First and Supp
And day 2 is rounds 2-30.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
"LSB is big on the sanctity of life for some reason." ---LSJ
Noon
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
"LSB is big on the sanctity of life for some reason." ---LSJ
Eastern.
Or 11 Central.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
"LSB is big on the sanctity of life for some reason." ---LSJ
yeah
on MLB.com
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Yep
and draft tracker.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I love that they bascially have a conference
call that everyone can listen to. Between that and the tracker it is really easy to follow along which is very necessary when you don’t know many names later.
Yes.
Mute it. The commentary is awful. Every pick is awesome; every player comes coated in sunshine and rainbows.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
"LSB is big on the sanctity of life for some reason." ---LSJ
oh hell no
don’t watch MLB the channel. Have the mlb.com stream, lsb, and maybe a site like minorleagueball.com up as well. It will be more than enough. Mayo can’t save the dumbasses on the network from telling us how great every player is.
After reading the Josh Bell article...
in this morning’s DMN, I’m now against taking him except in the late, late rounds. The kid is going to college unless everything his family has said is posturing. IMO, chances of that are very small.
Now, I’ve switched to hoping that a major league team is stupid enough to draft him in the first round so that better talent falls to us at 33 and 37.
"Certainly, we were penalties, and we stopped ourselves." - Les Miles
I'm of the opinion
he’d sign if a team offered him Purke money.
So it’s just up to teams to weigh the pros and cons of that investment. Is a Josh Bell worth four Jackie Bradleys?
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
"LSB is big on the sanctity of life for some reason." ---LSJ
That's not a good way to look at it at all.
by LiamP on Jun 6, 2011 9:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No, but, seriously...
I’ve missed a lot of the discussion. We’re good with paying Josh Bell what it takes to sign?
lord no
I think that kid is hilariously overrated if teams are lining up to pay him 6m.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
If it's $4M? I wouldn't mind it.
I’m a bit nervous about the $6M-7M.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Yeah
his mom is a professor at UT ARlington on top of that. I can see him taking education pretty seriously.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Frakie P has a live draft blog that started at 8
Will be an all day event… Not a lot of Rangers questions, but he is by far the most fan accessible of the big time draft guys. Was great on draft day last year.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
.
aarongleeman Aaron Gleeman
Report: Pirates taking UCLA righty Gerrit Cole with No. 1 pick – http://bit.ly/jpoHsJ
Ladies and Gentlemen Call your shots
Who will the Rangers draft?
What will be the biggest surprise of the first round?
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I'll take Osich and Harrison
I would prefer Osich and JB2
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Assuming Osich isn't significantly hurt, Harrison and Osich.
I think Bell, Ross, Swihart, and Nimmo will be gone.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Would love the Astros to take Reed
Harrison and Swihart would make me immensely happy. FrankieP just said that Swihart would be ranked about the same as an OF instead of C; the bat is legitimate.
But will he fall to us?
The Red Sox are our biggest competitors in this draft, so we have to hope they don’t take him. Someone’s mock had TB taking him the pick before us, but I don’t see that happening with the number of picks they have. They probably can’t afford to go overslot.
"Certainly, we were penalties, and we stopped ourselves." - Les Miles
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