Friday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 15, 2011 10:10 AM CDT
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Derek Holland is leading the American League in shutouts. Only Cliff Lee has more shutouts this season among major league pitchers.
Amazing, isn't it?
T.R. Sullivan's game story talks about Holland's terrific performance, with Holland acknowledging he got caught looking at the scoreboard and the "0" under the hits column and let a couple of pitches get away from him.
Jeff Wilson writes in his game story about Holland's turnaround since his 2/3 IP, 5 run outing against the Marlins.
Evan Grant has his post-game reactions up at the DMN Rangers blog.
Richard Durrett has his post-game reactions up.
Grant writes that Holland has talked to, among others, Nolan Ryan (for 45 minutes) and Michael Young in the last couple of weeks, and seems to be using the lessons he's learning to improve.
Joey Matches talks about Derek Holland as trade bait, and the struggles of determining if Holland has really turned the corner or is just showing flashes like he did in 2009.
Jeff Sullivan is unhappy with how yesterday's game went for the M's:
The Mariners get into a lot of pillow fights. It's been a part of their 2011 identity.
And a lot of times, it's worked out. A lot of times, the Mariners have won those pillow fights. But because they always go in expecting a regular pillow fight, they're never prepared for anything more. They're never prepared for somebody deciding to escalate things, like the Rangers did tonight. Tonight, the Mariners showed up in their footie pajamas, clutching goose down pillows in their hands, like they always do. But the Rangers showed up swinging nunchucks over their heads, and the Mariners didn't have an answer. The Mariners only have the pillows they have, and too often those pillows have proven insufficient.
(And this should go without saying, but a link to another team's site on SBN is not an invitation to go over there and troll or trash-talk. Don't go to other team's sites to stir up problems.)
Sullivan's notes talk about the possibility of surgery for Julio Borbon on his ankle, which would put him out of action for pretty much the rest of the minor league season, and the bullpen situation.
The injuries to Borbon and Mike Olt complicate the Rangers' trade situation this summer...both guys are, when healthy, valuable trade chips who probably have more value in a trade than to the Ranger organization, given the dynamics of the major league team. Both were playing well at the time of their injuries, and they've gone from valuable pieces that could be used in a deal for pitching help to guys who no team will likely be interested in acquiring until 2012.
The S-T's notes talk about Martin Perez's promotion and Michael Young's hit totals.
Wilson has a story about Scott Feldman refusing to waive his right to declare free agency if he's outrighted, and thus being put on the active roster.
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I like the idea that we showed up with nunchucks.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Our GM's choice of weapon.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
by jam0152 on Jul 15, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Boomchucks, more like it
Boomchuck > pillows, every time.
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 15, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Napoli brought a tire iron, but, that’s just what he’s used to.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
To each his own.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
The Paisano do what he do
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 15, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
The footie pajamas is what prompted me to quote and link
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 15, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I can imagine Smoak wearing footie pajamas.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I'm a bit confused...
“I’ll do whatever they ask me to do,” (Scott Feldman) said. “Those things are out of my control. If I were to pick my role, I’d rather start. But I’d rather be in the major leagues.”
Didn’t they ask him to go down to AAA and remain a starter?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
He's referring to his role with the big league club
His role with the big league club is out of his control. I think they should make him carry around the pink backpack.
They probably did.
Sounds like he didn’t care what the front office wanted, or if he could start in the minors. It was majors or nothing.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 15, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Makes me wonder if the Rangers had released him
if he would have gotten a major league offer from another team.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
There is just no way
the Rangers would have released him. The contract.
You can be sure Feldman knew it too.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 15, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Also,
he’s too overpaid to solicit an offer from another team. No way.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 15, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure he could
If they’d outrighted him, he could have opted for free agency, and another team could sign him for the minimum.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 15, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
OK
But, unless this regime really has so much cash, I can’t see Feldman’s roster spot, or the competitive advantage of another pitcher in the role he’ll occupy, making it worth eating Feldman’s salary.
So I just don’t consider he’ll get released. He’s not Milton Bradley, and he’s not chronically injured, and he’s shown something lately talent-wise.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 15, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what the Rangers said
They weren’t going to let him just walk. He had the right to become a free agent if he was outrighted, and because he wouldn’t waive that, the Rangers had to add him to the roster.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 15, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
If I'm not mistaken the Rangers would've been on the hook for his remaining salary.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Yeah, what they said ^^
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Keep in mind that JC Romero just signed a deal with a club
The same JC Romero and his unbelievable BB/9 totals. Check it out. Seriously.
Feldman would have found cheap work somewhere.
It was to his advantage to be with the big league club in almost every way
Nearly every player would make the same decision in the same situation if they thought they were healthy.
Leo Nunez and Anibal Sanchez
What would you give up for them individually… what would you give for them together?
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
How about Nunez?
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
I though he was a possibility until the Ranger's game where they knocked him around.
He is a decent #2 in the NL, but probably more of a #3 in AL and I don’t want to give up top prospects for a #3.
I would definitely go for Sanchez
Consistent high ground ball percentage. Strikeouts are up. FA after 2012 season. His K:BB ratio has taken a big turn (unsustainable?) turn for the better this year. He sounds like a perfect trade candidate to me.
Is Sanchez really any better than Harrison or a right-track Lewis or Holland if he keeps this up?
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
His track record gives me more confidence that he'd sustain his performance over the entire season
And he’d be able to slide into the rotation next year.
Although you do bring up a good point. If the club is not concerned about getting proven insurance for Holland/Ogando/Harrison who would they trade for? The only direction would be to go for a TORP. Not many of those available this year.
It seems silly to think the team would trade for a #3
particularly since they’d probably have to trade Holland or Harrison to get them. At least with an Ace you’re improving your rotation by the difference between the #1 and your #5. Getting a #3 is like half the level of improvement during the season, and almost no improvement for the playoffs…
Now, a Garza, Danks, or a Gio? At least those guys are clear enough improvements over, say, Holland or Harrison, to trade an H + nice prospects for. Sanchez is an improvement, but not by enough to give up anything extra for.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
the Twins
I haven’t followed them that closely, but do they believe they are still in it for a playoff spot?
What would it take to get Liriano, and would he represent a significant improvement over H/H?
I'd love to take a stab at Liriano
He has one arb year left – and this has been a pretty down year (outside the no-hitter). I imagine the Twins would be hesitant to deal him, since his value is probably lower than it should be.
I’d give something like Holland or Harrison + a B/B- type guy. I don’t want to trade too much for him, given that he’s an injury risk and hasn’t been as good as either Holland or Harrison. But if he were to right his ship, he’d be the best pitcher on the staff (indeed, one of the best pitchers in the league)
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
probably not
though I would trade Harrison + Wieland
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
too bad on MN
they seem like they might be a team interested in Borbon or Olt as well
It’d hurt to trade Harry, but I guess no one worse than you. And to upgrade to Liriano would be hard to pass up
Twins have Revere and Span
And Hicks in the prospect pipeline. No way they’d want Borbon. Olt on the other hand would be a possibility.
Is Danks really that much of an improvement over Holland?
I guess we don’t really know if Holland will reach his potential.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
Sounds familiar
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
by Brian Thomas on Jul 15, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Regarding Joey's article
As we’re watching him shut down the Mariners last night I was thinking that Holland is making himself much easier to trade.
And remembering that he’s only 24 means I’ll be sad if he goes this July.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
If we were getting a clear-cut upgrade...
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Exactly.
As a piece for a major starting pitcher acquisition.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
If we're trading for a starting pitcher...
…particularly one under control beyond 2011, you’d almost have to include a starter in the deal to make room in the rotation.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 15, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Alright, I can see that.
But it better be a clear-cut upgrade. Ideally, it would be great if Harry and Holland continued being decent (and improving all the time) and contributed to next season’s CJ-less rotation. However, I’d trade either of them with prospects for a Garza, Grienke, or Johnson package.
I had no idea that the Mariners hit 10 linedrives against Holland.
I remember a few long flyouts, but I didn’t remember them hit anything particularly hard.
I guess if you count those bloopers in the ninth as drives
That adds two, and I remember 2-3 more that were caught, but, still.
That little factoid disregards the fact that three of the flyballs we hit left the yard and another went to the track.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Keep in mind that the classification system is very subjective. Case in point.
This was ruled a line drive. It brought up a pretty funny fanpost over at LoL. As always Jeff Sullivan’s commentary is the stuff of legends. Check it out here.
by Heebs on Jul 15, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yea, those line drives were very, very softly hit
kind of off to cite a stat like that in a small sample like one start. Those jam shot hits were probably listed as LD but hit about terribly soft.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Julio Borbon surgery
Have I just missed it or is the mention of this a new development? I think that report pretty much eliminates any small chance he was going to be traded this year.
New development
Looks like there are concerns about his previous ankle issues as well.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
Obviously greater now
I’d still say the chances are very slim that he’s anything more than a Sept call-up. What do you think?
I think the same thing I thought 3 or 4 days ago when I thought Borbon wouldnt' be an issue
and that Chavez and Gentry weren’t really going to present barriers to Martin being called up
I love old school anecdotes
Fan tells Braves scout @Nats-Cubs Red Sox should get Garza, scout yells to Sox scout “fan here thinks you should get Garza.”
This twitter stuff hurts my brain
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 15, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I know, I have read this over and over to get it straightened out.
Let me see if I have it right. There is a Brave’s scout and Red Sox scout at a Nats-Cubs game. A fan there told the Brave’s scout that the Red Sox should trade for Garza and then the Brave’s scout hollered “fan here thinks you should get Garza” to the Red Sox scout.
Most importantly, what is so significant about this that it should get twittered?
There was more to the tweet
Fan tells Braves scout @Nats-Cubs Red Sox should get Garza, scout yells to Sox scout “fan here thinks you should get Garza.” Tweet. Rumor .
More about the signal to noise ratio we should all consider over the next 16 days
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Awesome Holland
I was out so just checking the score… 5 innings, no hits? 8 innings, no runs? 9 innings, he crashed LSB?
Nice.
I’ll just repost a link to this post of mine from after his 0.2 innings debacle…
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/7/3/2257021/sunday-morning-rangers-things#71142556
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
So Dutch is now steam?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
When that shit gets to boiling over, it scalds people (A's/Mariners)
Also, I think JBl is pointing out that the Mariners are incapable of boiling water.
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
Was SBNation down last night?
I couldn’t get this, or mavsmoneyball up around midnight.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 15, 2011 10:33 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah SB Nation crapped out for an hour last night
Graham's Sports Crackers...they're tasty!
"Since mine's not actually attached to me, I would.
I can just take it off and wash it. Repeatedly. In boiling water. And bleach." by Lisa W on Jun 26, 2011 4:30 PM CDT..."I'm kidding. I don't own a strap-on." by Lisa W on Jun 26, 2011 4:32 PM CDT
by DFWTrojanTuba on Jul 15, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if Hurley is our spot starter now
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
I'm thinking he would be the first coming out of RR
If there is a need in the short term it would be Feldman. But as time goes on, we would need someone more stretched out.
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
Like, if we had a few day's notice
Then Hurley would get the call, I think.
If Holland gets lost on the way to the stadium and someone needs to step in last minute, then it’s Feldy.
But if we can use someone more stretched out (and likely as effective), then Hurley.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Possibly more effective.
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
Holland sure doesn't look like a C- to me.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Ichiro looks bored as hell this season
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 15, 2011 10:58 AM CDT reply actions
Or possibly just old.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
For sure, he's lost a step or three
But on plays like that bloop single that just kinda fell in front of him….I dunno. The guy looks like he’s sleepwalking out there.
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 15, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Prospect Voting
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/7/15/2277366/lsb-midseason-community-prospect-ranking-19
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/7/15/2277366/lsb-midseason-community-prospect-ranking-19
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/7/15/2277366/lsb-midseason-community-prospect-ranking-19
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
Was this covered yesterday?
Ian Kinsler #30 on MLB Trade Value Rankings
While Kinsler is overshadowed by teammates such as Josh Hamilton, he has quietly become one of the best second baseman in baseball. Always a good contact hitter, he’s reduced his strikeout rate even further, and now he’s just a low BABIP away from being a legitimate MVP candidate. The Rangers might only have him under team control for another two seasons, but at a total salary of $17 million, he provides a lot of value for minimal cost. He’s an under-the-radar star, but the Rangers would have to be bowled over in order to move him.
Heard about Holland
pretty awesome.
Not surprised seeing the “0” let things get away though for him.
"Look if you want a journalist hire a UT grad. If you want a doctor you pick a Baylor grad. If you need a vet you see an Aggie grad. And if you need a pizza you call a Tech grad." -BUBacker
For the record
I wasn’t criticizing AJM I was repsonding to a deleted comment and you guys were just not able to put it together (especially hornedfrog). Aqua the Wise did though.
"Look if you want a journalist hire a UT grad. If you want a doctor you pick a Baylor grad. If you need a vet you see an Aggie grad. And if you need a pizza you call a Tech grad." -BUBacker
What?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
This is related to him getting banned the night Shannon Stone died.
Several people got the night off early.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
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