Ramirez shut down, and Borbon has surgery
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 18, 2011 6:18 PM CDT
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PrintNews on a couple of minor leaguers dealing with injury issues...
Neil Ramirez, who was lifted from his last start at AAA Round Rock because of shoulder stiffness, has been examined by Dr. Keith Meister, and it has been determined that Ramirez has no structural issues.
Ramirez will spend the next 7-10 days doing stretching and strengthening exercises, then ease back into pitching.
Julio Borbon, meanwhile, has reportedly undergone surgery on his sprained ankle, which he injured sliding into second attempting to break up a double play. It is the same ankle that he fractured while in college, which adds complications to the rehabilitation process, and helped prompt the decision to undergo surgery.
Borbon is, per Jeff Wilson on Twitter, scheduled to resume baseball activities in six weeks, which basically means he's done for the season, although he could hypothetically be activated in September when rosters expand to provide the Rangers with depth as a pinch runner.
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Borbon wasn't coming back before 7/31
So he wasn’t going to get traded this year, even before the surgery came down.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 18, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
First part is great news
the title of the post just scared the shit out of me. Im glad that Nram has no shoulder damage.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Who will be the Rangers Opening Day 2012 CF?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Leonys Martin.
Which was going to be true regardless of Borbon getting hurt.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Please note this is somewhat tongue in cheek.
I recognize that he only has relatively small amount of professional PAs… but signs are encouraging.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Why?
I’d put tons of money on him being our opening day CF. They may keep Gentry around to bat against some LHP, but otherwise, I think they have an open competition next spring for the job with him and Borbon and Martin wins it.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
I think Martin really could be the OD CF for 2012.
But there’s a lot of faith in that and no significant evidence that he will be.
There’s a lot to be shown by him between now and then before it happens.
But it’s possible.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
I think the evidence is in the 15 million paid him
the performance in the minors so far and the fact he’s already played 3 or so full years of Pro ball in Cuba, which is a rather high level of competition.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Yep.
Barring injury I don’t really see any way he isn’t our starting CF on opening day next year.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I'd like to think he gets one more chance
but I have a sneaking suspicion that people in the organization may be ready to move on with him, and if Martin (who I’m sure will get AFL time as well) keeps pushing his way forward, there is a non-trivial chance that Borbon’s days as a Ranger are over.
This makes me sad. I think Borbon has a good career ahead of him (I’m more bullish on him than Davis). He’s a CF. And real CFers don’t grow on trees.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
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* To be eligible, players on Minor League disabled lists must be activated at least 45 days before the conclusion of their respective seasons.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
OK good
For some reason I thought you could only have 1 upper level guy or something. I guess I had it backwards
He seems like an ideal person to have go
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Profar may even be in AA come years end...
Will Olt be healthy by then?
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
ugh
I wish the “Profar to AA this year” stuff would stop. I know the guy is dreamy and has had an amazing debut but why are we in a hurry to rush the kid?
Unless you are wanting to deal either Elvis or Kinsler, which seems to be sacriligious to talk about around here, then whats the point of rushing a guy like Profar? Theres no room on the ML squad for him for a few years unless you move one of those two
I'm not trying to rush him...
I’m just saying it’s a possibility.
No matter how he finishes the year he’ll be in Frisco to start 2012 with an ETA of late 2013. I don’t see how a month AA time would change anything.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
What does MB have to do with this?
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
MB is a much better place for prospects than Bakersfield was
If we were still in Bakersfield I could see us possibly jumping him from Low A to AA. But with MB he needs to play at least half a season if not a full season there and continue developing before going to AA
Personally
I think he starts next year at AA. The Rangers dont neccessarily ruch the prospects, they challenge them. An example woule be Perez. He skipped High A at the age of 18 because they wanted to challenge him. i see them doing the same with Profar.
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
Perez skipped High A as much because of Bakersfield as it was to challenge him
Bakersfield was a hell hole and I thank the lord everyday our prospects arent there anymore.
Why is Bakersfield a hell-hole?
"I'm fighting boredom just like you are, bro." "Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, pal. Stop saying Douchebag!"
It was a sun and wind-blasted hellscape from which prospects were lucky to emerge.
The ballpark was terrible, the field itself (I mean the actual playing field) was terrible, and they didn’t have very good support from the community, if I recall correctly.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Got it, thanks.
"I'm fighting boredom just like you are, bro." "Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, pal. Stop saying Douchebag!"
Has this been said by anybody in the decision making chain?
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
sorry... my bad
for some reason I’m spacing out and am one level off with Profar.
Forgive this entire conversation.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Listen, I just don't want him to get complacent.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Me either
And if hes still in Low A at the midpoint next year then i will start worrying about that also
Profar's not going to be in AA at the end of the year
Unless he’s sent up for the playoffs as a reward, which seems like a big longshot, and I don’t think counts for AFL purposes.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 18, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Not speaking for AJM
But I think Borbon gets handed one last chance at the job, unless he just implodes during the spring.
This team generally likes to give the beta guys shots at the start of the season, and will probably want to see if Borbon can at least build up any trade value in the first month or two.
Don't poke the alien.
I don't think it is a sure thing
I could easily see Borbon getting dealt this winter, regardless of his trade value. Depends on whether some team out there likes him more than the Rangers do, and how Martin looks the rest of the year.
That said, he’ll probably be there this spring, and if he is he’ll probably be the CF for the reasons you say.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
How many chances before you get to last chance?
I don’t think “last chance” has anything to do with it.
If they think Martin is the better option, he’ll be up here. Just like Moreland started the season over Davis.
If Martin comes up in Sept and plays well… if he plays well in the playoffs… then they’ll do the same thing to Borbon that they did to Crush.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
The number of "ifs"
Around Martin actually doing those things is why Borbon might be the CF for April 2012.
But I think it has everything to do with Martin and nothing to do with Borbon.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Borbon has had far fewer chances than Davis has had...
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I know.
That’s why I asked how many is “last”.
The number of chances is irrelevant… there is no “last” chance. It’s about who is behind them.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Davis also produced a lot more in AAA than Borbon ever has
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
by Brian Thomas on Jul 18, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
He has produced more this year
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
What?
Are you implying “just this year” with that comment?
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
by Brian Thomas on Jul 18, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Davis has produced more this year in AAA than borbon ever has
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
And every other year
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
by Brian Thomas on Jul 18, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
ah...
I’m convinced Borbon killed your dog or something. You’ve hated him before he was drafted…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Very good defender
Pretty mediocre at every thing else, wouldn’t you say? He isn’t even a very good baserunner.
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
by Brian Thomas on Jul 18, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup I agree with BT...Borbon ain't nothing to get excited about...
Leony’s yes, Borbon no. Borbon has all the speed in the world yet sucks at stealing bases. See Andrus, Elvis. He has bad instincts in the field like Jeff Sullivan mentioned this year and I’m sick and tired of him dragging his effin Doomstick™ up to the plate. He has NO power and I mean absolutely NO power in that stick of his. Such a Judy he is. Wash was raving a few days ago about what great instincts Endy has out there. Did you ever hear him say that about Borbon? No you didn’t because he kinda hates him.
Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg
Yes that's my foot and no I don't have a wide stance.
I bleed Ranger black and blue.
by BigGuns on Jul 18, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Difference between Borbon and Davis
is Borbon wasn’t hurting the team by being on it. Borbon wasn’t drowning offensively.
It sucks that he lost his spot due to injury but I don’t think he and Davis can be compared at all in this case
The comparison is that if they think someone else is the better option, a la Moreland.
They will go that direction.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Depends
How much better is Martin going to be over Borbon as opposed to how much better Moreland was to Davis (which by the way we are seeing may not be all that great)
We're talking about who is going to start the year.
Not who is ultimately the better player or who will finish the year.
But the exact scenario that happened with Moreland last year could happen with Martin this year.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Again
Its not the exact same scenario. Last year Chris Davis was killing this club offensively. He was horrible.
Borbon has not killed this club offensively in 2011. he was alright offensively. He lost his job due to a injury and a guns blazing start by Chavez.
The club let him sit in AAA
With Endy Chavez and Craig Gentry doing the job.
They spent $15m on Leonys.
I think that is a bit of a signal to what they think of Julio.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
have you seen Endys numbers?
They have been way better than Borbons.
I don’t doubt Leonys is our CF of the future
If Endy had come up and played like he has through his career up to this point I doubt Borbon would have been optioned to AAA like he was.
He spent over a month
With an OPS at his career numbers.
I think it was more than numbers… I think it was a veteran thing too.
I think Wash hates him.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Him being Borbon.
And the Hammer is my penis.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Borbon was not "all right" offensively in the limited span he played
He was shitty.
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
by Brian Thomas on Jul 18, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
3.6 VORP in about 100 PAs isn't shitty
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 18, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
He hasn't had a wOBA above .300 since 2009.
He’s a crap hitter.
.295 wOBA, .290 wOBA
Last 2 years.
He was good in 09.
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
by Brian Thomas on Jul 18, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Judy was profoundly shitty at the plate.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 18, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not good with stats
but a 682 career OPS from your number 9 hitter with speed sounds OK to me
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
It's below average.
But not David Murphy 2011 shitty.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Maybe if he is your catcher
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
by Brian Thomas on Jul 18, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Also...
service time.
It might get the Rangers another year of arbitration after the contract ends.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
Sure
I’d say Borbon is more likely than Martin right now, though.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 18, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
From reading Cracked.com
I learned that, in the original draft of the script for “Alien,” the Nostromo was named the Snark.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 18, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I did not know that.
Since “Snark” isn’t a ship from a Conrad novel, I think it was a good call to go with “Nostromo.”
How do you like the look of the Snark cruise missile?
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
What the hell?
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
I'm just trying to figure out what exactly is going on.
Those plumes look like they’re fighting each other and I don’t know why. Avoid hitting the launcher, I guess?
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
by colonialbob on Jul 18, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
They're angled out and downwards from the missile's plane of thrust.
I would imagine that’s to promote stability until the thing’s main engine cuts in.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Oh, are those not the main engine?
It might be for stability reasons, I’m not really sure. It’s kind of hard to tell what’s going on from that angle.
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
by colonialbob on Jul 18, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
It looks like a rocket-assisted takeoff.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97rSobuKBxI
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Yeah, that makes sense.
I guess the angle of the picture helps making it look that odd. Neat photo though.
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
by colonialbob on Jul 18, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
God, Adam
you must see a LOT more upside in Borbon than he’s shown me so far…why not try Martin w/Gentry and Chavez in reserve? What keeps you so excited about Borbon?
There will be no "Chavez in reserve" next year
With the year hes having some team will sign him to a deal this winter.
I'm not excited about Borbon
I never have been. At the end of 2009, I was probably one of those considered to be too down and negative about Borbon, because I wasn’t drinking the Kool-Aid on him.
I think he’s a decent major league CF’er. Martin may be ready next year. If Borbon and Martin are both here, though, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Martin start in AAA and Borbon in the majors.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 18, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Borbon
With Martin up by July
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Which he most certainly will
(Be called up toward the end as a pinch runner guy)
"Look if you want a journalist hire a UT grad. If you want a doctor you pick a Baylor grad. If you need a vet you see an Aggie grad. And if you need a pizza you call a Tech grad." -BUBacker
I think Tropicana may have exploded.
Again… what a shit hole.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
yea, the title of this post nearly made me shit myself
because when I hear shut down, it usually means a guy is done for the year, but then I read the post and it was actually excellent news.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Al Yellon seriously cannot ever write about anything other than the Cubs.
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/7/18/2281071/mlb-bud-selig-replay-review
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
(I like this one, though. Just sayin'.)
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
In that case, I can sorta see where the experiences of your own team come into play
Don't poke the alien.
Agreed.
I probably should have said “here’s Al Yellon writing about replay” and then poked fun at it being about the Cubs, as usual.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
Nothing new here.
We heard multiple times over the weekend that the Rangers are interested in some of the best available relievers. Texas GM Jon Daniels joined Galloway & Co. on 103.3 ESPN in Dallas (audio here) and though he declined to comment on specific players, he did provide insight into the Rangers’ deadline plans…
* Daniels doesn’t believe many ‘impact’ players will be available in trades this summer.
* Though the Rangers are optimistic about what Darren O’Day and Tommy Hunter can do in relief, “the bullpen’s our focus point right now,” Daniels said.
* However, if a true number one starter becomes available, as Cliff Lee did last year, the Rangers will check in and consider making an offer.
* Texas is willing to spend, though Daniels says he doesn’t want to be “flippant” about finances.
* The Rangers decided to pass on signing Scott Kazmir, since they didn’t expect the left-hander to be able to help the Major League team this season.
* The Rangers would almost certainly consider moving David Murphy in a trade for a quality reliever, according to MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Love, love, love that pic!!!
That’s the Judy I will always remember.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
It reminds me of this scene in Undercover Brother...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvuFquSvGoE
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
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