Tuesday Morning Rangers Update
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 19, 2011 8:01 AM CDT
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PrintThe big news of the day yesterday came from the reports that Nolan Ryan had been hospitalized after experiencing chest discomfort on Sunday morning.
T.R. Sullivan reports that tests came back negative and indicated no new developments to a previous heart condition Ryan experienced over a decade ago. Ryan will now rest for a couple of days before being released from the hospital. Hopefully that's the end of that.
As for the team, as Jeff Wilson writes, the Rangers and Angels have whittled down the competition in the AL West and now they will face off over the next eight weeks to determine the last team standing.
Sullivan echoes those sentiments and previews the upcoming series against the Angels by quoting Ron Washington as saying he doesn't think this is necessarily a big series but he'd like for the Rangers to play well. Washington could live with the streak coming to an end if it means the Rangers take the series.
Evan Grant writes behind the DMN paywall about how the Rangers offense gives them an advantage over the Angels.
Jon Daniels appeared on the radio yesterday and the DMN was kind enough to transcribe his answers. Daniels talks about the winning streak, the Angels, and the trade landscape heading into the trade deadline among other things.
ESPN Dallas' Bryan Dolgin had Kevin Goldstein on the Rangers Magazine show. You can listen to the segment from the link on that page. By doing so, you might experience farm system love convulsions in your happy area.
Grant, behind the DMN paywall, writes about Ian Kinsler's journey to second best hitter on the 2011 Texas Rangers.
Richard Durrett writes about Tommy Hunter adjusting to his new life as a relief pitcher.
Grant has a couple of notes on the Rangers before their series in Anaheim including one on former Angel Mike Napoli having the American League's lowest catcher's ERA.
MLB.com's Louie Horvath has a piece on pitching prospect Joe Wieland and his impressive first few weeks since his promotion to Double-A Frisco.
T.R. Sullivan's mailbag is back. Actually, it's called "Inbox:." I miss the days when columnists responded to correspondence from readers and the piece was called the "Mailbag" because the reader actually had to send the columnist a physical, hand-written letter. See, sending a letter takes several levels of effort. There's prying yourself away from that episode of Rescue 911 to make that arduous journey to the desk with the stationery on it because you can't mail your outrageous trade suggestion on a Burger King Whopper wrapper now can you? No, not even if you eat that bit of cheese off the side that got stuck to it. There's the painstaking search for a pen or pencil. There's the hours and hours of trying to remember how to spell "benefits" in "I'm sure you can agree that this trade benefits both teams" and still getting it wrong. There's that inner-monologue of, "What? Are you kidding me? I need a stamp?" Yes, you need a stamp. Also, you're going to need an address to send your insanity to. Deal with that reality for a moment.
Sending an email to someone's inbox takes much less effort. I think that explains a lot about the Inbox:.
Finally, the DMN has a photo gallery from the Rangers best wins in 2011 so far.
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Sheet gets real from now on this season.
13 of final 66 games v the Angels…essentially one of every 5 games the rest of the way will be played against LAAAA.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Underrated
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
"By doing so, you might experience farm system love convulsions in your happy area."
I had to scan back up to see who wrote this. Also, rescue 911 came on before Rin Tin Tin:k9 cop. Loved those shows
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Jul 19, 2011 8:11 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
when a line like that is dished out
you don’t have to double check who is writing for the am … not really an AJM turn of phrase
love JD
“The bullpen is an area we have been focused on. A lot of the rumors that are out there are just that. Some of them are completely B.S. and no truth to them at all.”
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
This organization should be able to find somebody, somewhere completely off the grid
that they can plug into the bullpen who can make a difference.
Yes, the bully needs to be fixed…specifically the bridge to Feliz but we shouldn’t have to give up a top prospect to get it done.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Rhodes is the weakest of that bunch.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Do you think a trade would be made to replace Rhodes?
The idea has already been floated around that Rhodes fits in as a LOOGY and to protect the innings build up on Oliver. Replacing Rhodes with a Bell/Adams/etc. doesn’t fix that problem.
Don't get me wrong.
I’m all for replacing Rhodes. I think he’s been awful. I’m trying to look at this realistically. If what I mentioned above is true, do we think it is realistic that a trade is made to replace Rhodes?
No
The last thing this team needs is an 8 man bullpen and 3 man bench.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 19, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Arthur Lee.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
This is an easy question, it seems.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
heh
one of these is not like the others
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
This was almost my reply, Gdawg.
This was almost my reply.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
x
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
Does he find Tateyama attractive, though?
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
At this point...
I think the Rangers should go after the best arm available. If it’s a reliever fine, but if a TORP becomes available I think you have to go after him and consider putting Ogando in the ’pen. That could fill 2 holes for the price of one.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I think Ogando...
is better suited for the ’pen and exactly what it needs right now.
Plus I’m a little worried about his workload increase from last year.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
In other news
How about those 1st place Pittsburgh Pirates, eh?
Rangers in the World Series? Pittsburgh leading their division? I’d say that 2012 apocalypse is shaping up just about right.
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
Mavericks did win an NBA title...
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Where did you hear this?
Haven’t seen AJM mention that at all, which is funny because he’s always commented Mavs things every now and then…
i tell the truth; i lie a lot
by jonthefon on Jul 19, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Ha
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
I'm a Web & TV Sports Producer at WFAA. If you've got ideas of any kind, I would love for you to run them by me.
This still makes me chuckle.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I love seeing Pittsburgh do this...I barely know anybody on their team other than McCutcheon & Alvarez.
Lots of kill-shots have been fired in the AL recently…The Rangers took down both Oakland & Seattle in the past 10 days, the Twins lost a DH at home to Cleveland the day Sizemore went on the DL and Tampa just had their castrosphic moment (16 inning loss to Boston and heartbreaking bullpen meltdown to MF Yankees …both at home).
A Ranger sweep would shit all over the Angels and Moreno may close the checkbook if a trade deadline deal comes up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Lol no kidding
Ok, without cheating, name the players in this list who are real people on the Pittsburgh Pirates 2011 roster:
Alex Presley
Terry Turner
Bryan Morris
Chase d’Arnaud
Cameron Hills
Michael Crotta
Blake Washington
LaSean Henderson
Jason Jaramillo
Ronald Kemp
Neil Walker
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I know Walker is a Pirate. Plays 2B.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Lol
I also think it’s weird they have two guys named “McCutchen” on their team.
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't know that either.
I know of Hanrahan and Karstens…not sure I can name anybody else.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I thought Walker was a Texas Ranger
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
by txranger7 on Jul 19, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Against my better judgment
I’m gonna go ahead and rec this. xD
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Presley, d'Arnaud
Jaramillo, I know those three plus Walker are on there, the rest…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
So when is Napoli going to be the primary catcher?
I’ve heard several starters have good things to say about him… he’s one of our better offensive weapons.
I’d like to see him catching at least 4 out of every 7.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
4 of 7...
and 1B against lefties sounds about right to me.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
yea, exactly
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
This
I’m not as much of a Vit hater as some of you guys, but at this point Napoli seems demonstrably better than Torrealba in all categories other than “Latino fire.” And even that one is close.
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Napoli's leagues ahead in grease factor, though.
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
"Mr, Napoli, do you care to respond?"
Napoli: (turns palms upward) Ehhhh….fughedaboudit.
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Yorvit has been fine back there
Not as good as Napoli but more than adequate. So im not worried as much about Napoli catching as I am Napoli playing period.As long as his bat is in the lineup at least 5 days a week I will be happy. Unless his numbers against RHP start dropping and he looks to be a complete platoon guy
Hopefully everything will be okay with Ryan...
but what would happen to the ownership situation if anything were to happen to him?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Isn't his son in place within the org?
Am I making this up?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
We would have one less minority owner
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Jul 19, 2011 8:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he only owns about 5% of the team.
Something would happen with his ownership shares and the team would hire a new team President.
think they would go after greenberg?
Rangers finish 85-77, four games behind the A's. Red Sox beat the Braves in the World Series.
Let’s hope I’m wrong.
by Josey Wales on Apr 1, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I picture GoET with a reptilian dong anyway - RIver Fenix
by Mr. Abe Froman on Jul 19, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Alas
The Goodship Greenberg has sailed.
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
is that a dean martin reference i sense in there?
Rangers finish 85-77, four games behind the A's. Red Sox beat the Braves in the World Series.
Let’s hope I’m wrong.
by Josey Wales on Apr 1, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I picture GoET with a reptilian dong anyway - RIver Fenix
by Mr. Abe Froman on Jul 19, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess that's what I was wondering...
obviously he’s not the majority owner financially, but I wasn’t sure who would take over his role as President since he’s basically running the team along with JD.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Can't read EG's column
I’m guessing Michael Young is the #1 hitter?
Anyway, BtB’s Satchel Price calls Ian Kinsler “”http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2011/7/18/2281169/the-maturation-of-ian-kinsler-elite-player" target="new">a possible MVP"
by Robert L. Bishop on Jul 19, 2011 8:32 AM CDT reply actions
Comparing Young and Kinsler is kinda neat
Young has a huge edge in BA and slight edges in OBP and SLG. And a 100 point edge in BABiP.
Kinsler has 2.5 times the walk rate, with a lower K rate; decent lead in wOBA and WRC+.
So, anyway, if you don’t look deeply into the stats, I guess you could make the case that Young is better (positional value aside).
(Note- I don’t know that EG said that because I don’t pay for the privilege of access to his opinofacts. Fair assumption that he did though.)
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
FYI - Kinsler's OBP is higher than Young's
I can’t read EG’s column either but I think he’d be insane to put anyone other than Hamilton as the teams best hitter.
Right, I just assumed it was MY because of the source
Anyway, the point was that I’m sick of people underrating Kinsler.
by Robert L. Bishop on Jul 19, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
FYI - Kinsler's OBP is higher than Young's
I can’t read EG’s column either but I think he’d be insane to put anyone other than Hamilton as the teams best hitter.
If you read LSB in search of a "point," ye seek in vain, my friend
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Noted.
And so true. I just was expecting something amusing that TR wrote, but couldn’t get all the way through that paragarph. Oh well!
Attention span?!
Pssht.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 19, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
He's like Mikey.
he hates everything. (except Life cereal)
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
If you want to joke around about a meme about me...
At least be someone that interacts with me.
If you are serious, then kindly go fuck yourself.
Along the lines of
Perhaps the ease of emailing a question leads to more stupid questions?
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
Ahahahahaha what a great mailbox question:
The Rangers obviously have a need for back of the bullpen help and have an over-abundance of catchers and first basemen. What would you say to a deal for either Pittsburgh’s Joel Hanrahan or Giants Madison Bumgarner for Chris Davis or Taylor Teagarden?
Yes, Bumgarner for Teagarden. Make it happen, JD!
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
I can't believe we didn't think of this before!
While we’re at it, let’s pick up Jose Reyes for Julio Borbon, straight swap.
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
two 60 grade names, should be flippable, especially considering their need for a great hitting catcher.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
I have missed this segment.
Blasting T.R.’s Mailbox is an LSB institution.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
No, Bumgarner for Teagarden is too much
they need to include Brandon Belt as well.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
The Newberg just said he'd propose Chris Davis, NRamirez and Sardinas for Mike Adams.
He really did.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
whoa
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not.
Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
That's simply not enough.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Not so sure about that
Solid ML ready hitter, ML ready pitcher with a great ceiling, and then a high ceiling SS prospect who is far away. That’s a pretty good haul for a set-up man.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
"Solid ML ready hitter" ????
What part of 2009 did you miss?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Stop being stupid
.814 OPS this season and video game numbers in AAA. He’s ML ready.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
114Ks in 277 plate appearances with a .256 OBP followed by
3 more demotions in The Show all coming after he had tortured AAA pitching.
If he was major league ready, he’d be here.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, continue being stupid.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
Continue to overvalue Davis and howl at the moon that he
should be here instead of Moreland.
Davis is a AAA beast and has yet to prove he can hold an every day job in The Show.
Great buy-low candidate but only value in trade is an accessory unless somebody (Oakland?) is looking to dump payroll.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Nobody said he should be here over Moreland.
He might not have a spot here, but he’s got a spot with some team. He is major league ready.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Or that's way too fucking much.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
No joke
Seems pretty damn steep for a reliever, even a solid, affordable reliever.
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Davis and Sardinas with a lower-level arm, ok. Maybe we can make that work.
But Davis, Sardinas, and NeRa?? No fucking thanks.
People seem to be forgetting how good NeRa has done this season.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
my thoughts exactly.....No way I'd be willing to give up NeRa for a bullpen piece
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not.
Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Neil Ramirez could be a good bullpen piece this season.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
They said 7-10 days, I thought
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
by colonialbob on Jul 19, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
What part of him being shut down for 10 days baffled your baseball brain ?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably that the season will last longer than 10 days.
And he used the word “could” instead of “would”.
NeRa absolutely “could”.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Ramirez alone is too much IMO
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
What's the story with this guy?
A quick glance at his numbers looks to me like Petco has really helped him out.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I think that is one of those trade proposals that is either too much or too little
If the Padres really like one of those guys, then they’d do the trade for less. Say they have their eyes on NeRa – then you don’t need to include Sardinas AND Davis. Likewise for Davis – if they really want him, then you don’t need to trade NeRa.
If the Padres aren’t particularly enamored with any of those guys – and they may not be, none are “top prospects” so to speak – then they would say no way.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Dumbassery is running rampant
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
Fuckin Newberg
he is as bad as any stupid fan when it comes to trade proposals…that is a ridiculous overpay
"It was like the movie Die Hard. The guy gets shot in the leg, he’s limping around and he still throws the bad guy down the elevator shaft. I was about to throw an eephus pitch."-CJ Wilson
Josey Wales is stupid
Interesting spectrum of reactions on this one.
by Jamey Newberg on Jul 19, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he was just looking to see if you were paying attention.
everyone knows that you are the Hasteur of LSB. invoke the name and he appears.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
I didn't think it was nearly enough and that the Padres will want players
much closer to The Show.
Adams is very effective, tethered to whatever team he goes to for another year and relievers are very much in demand.
If I’m SDO and received THAT package, I’d be pissed.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Mirror, mirror, on the wall.
SD should not be seeking “closer to the show.”
by Jamey Newberg on Jul 19, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
And the next time you talk to JD, tell him I want Kershaw and that the farm will survive.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
SD would be ecstatic for that package.
They get a top-100 possible TORP prospect dealing in AAA, a MLB-ready hitter that can play first or third, and a lottery ticket SS prospect.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I find the descriptions of Davis really amusing...
“a MLB-ready hitter that can play first or third”
This is like saying that a house is “minutes from the beach” or has a “view of the ocean,” failing to mention that “minutes” means 45 minutes by car and view of the ocean involves holding a mirror off of your balcony and stretching your neck.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
note: this isn't just to you Aqua
I’m just finding the wildly varying opinions of Davis trade value funny.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Chris Davis is the Brokeback Mountain player of the Texas Rangers.
Some fans just can’t quit him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
fwiw
I’m happy that Davis has raised his value this year, and I think he at least has a chance to be a valuable piece at the deadline.
And I long ago suggested the Rangers consider trading Moreland if he can bring back something truly special given that Davis is at least showing something positive.
That all said, the guy’s CarFax report has a view giant red flags that every team knows about. The Padres aren’t going to throw everything they have to get him…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
He's an accessory, not a centerpiece.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Agreeance and laughter.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
MLB-ready isn't a value judgment.
I’m not saying he would come in and absolutely tear shit apart for somebody right now.
He is, however, a capable player at the ML level right now. Whatever our organization has decided to do at 1B, I don’t think there would be a significant dropoff (or really any at all) between Mitch Moreland and Chris Davis playing the position right now, and Davis’s promise still holds value, especially for a team like the Padres who has basically shit playing 3B for them right now. Davis is cheap, under team control, and would be the second piece in a deal for a reliever.
That package doesn’t get Ubaldo, but it is more than enough to get a 30+ reliever who has made his career in Petco.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I agree with all of that
Really, like I said above, if the Padres really like Davis, then NeRa is too much for the deal. And if they really like NeRa, then you don’t need to include Davis. If they don’t really like either, then they aren’t going to make the trade at all.
I’m just having fun with the description you used. Just sounded salesman-y in a funny way.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I used the phrase "right now" 4 times in this post.
Twice in one sentence.
That was terrible.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
you should be in business, not a lawyer
I can see your sales presentation. The argument for Davis is “right now”.
“Right now” Davis can enter your lineup and give you potent power bat
“Right now” Davis can fill a hole at any of a number of positions
“Right now” Davis makes your team better than it just was
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
That's exactly why I said it was terrible.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Chase Headley
is not shit. .300/.390/.401 is not bad at all.
OTOH, Brad Hawpe, 32 year old hitting .231/.301/.344 I have this sneaking suspicion that Davis could outhit that.
to put it another way, what does it say that the Padres are actually paying Jorge Cantu actual money (and not monopoly money) to back up first and third.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
If I'm Davis and I know I'm rumored to be included
for either Ubaldo or Adams… I know I’d be rooting hard for the Rangers to land Ubaldo so I could go play in COL.
by elvis1isking on Jul 19, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
heh... he'd be an all-star there
50 homers and 200Ks. It’d be funny.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Chris Davis is not major league ready.
Give me a full season without 114Ks / 277 plate appearances and/or 3 demotions.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
If Davis goes out in 2012
and hits .289/.335/.525 over a full season with 45 walks and 150 strikeouts while hitting 35 bombs at the major league level, then he’s no longer “Major league ready” he’s then a “Major leaguer”.
right now, he’s “Major League ready”, in that by hitting .352/.394/.790 in AAA with 21 homers in 44 games, he doesn’t have anything left to prove in the minors.
But by assuming that every future year for him will be just like 2009 is fallacy. remember that he’s gone from age 23 to 25, and his peak is still 2 seasons away. Sure he’s never going to be a HOFer, but he’s got a chance still.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
What happened to Chris Davis in The Show during 2010?
The same epic bedshitting (.279 OBP / .571 OPS) that helped kill our 2009 season only last year he was shit-canned twice and (properly) left off the post-season team because somebody else seized the opportunity.
I like Davis and I’m rooting for him to do well but to think he has trade value to other teams is delusional.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Cory Luebke
Chris Davis for Cory Luebke?
kind of a left handed Dustin Nippert.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
This is worse than some of the trades I see on twitter.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Sick of seeing people say they don't want the Astros in the AL due to proximity.
Dodgers/Padres and Mets/Phillies are both CLOSER to each other than Rangers/Astros. Look at a map, people.
/TRSullivan Inbox Rant
by JoseTres on Jul 19, 2011 9:07 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Maps went out the door along with actual paper letters
GPS does our thinking for us now.
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
logic??
Washington could live with the streak coming to an end if it means the Rangers take the series.
So Wash wouldn’t be ok with losing the series even if the winning streak stays in tact…
got it
This is what we call an "incorrect syllogism"
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I speak for the Borg
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
i think hes saying if we take 2 of 3.. the streak will end but we will have taken 2 of 3
and he would obviously take that.
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 19, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
He's saying he doesn't care about the winning streak one way or the other.
All he wants to do is win the series.
If they win the series but lose the streak, he’ll be fine.
Obviously if they continue the streak through the entire series he’ll still be happy… but that’s because we won the series.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
sure, i get his point
but grammatically…
by kevinkinsler on Jul 19, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
We're still going to pick at Wash-speak?
He do what he do.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
I'm finally getting around to reading Moneyball
and I just got to the part with Wash. I laughed cause I could immediately hear his voice in my head as I read his quotes.
That kid is horseshit. And what do he know? What do the fan know? He don’t know nuthin’. But he’d be right. He’d be right about Hatty. That kid was horseshit.
by Pocket Ninja on Jul 19, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree that it's not that big of a series, but it's probably the biggest one we've played yet this season.
But it would take a sweep for it to be a big deal. Even if we lose, that’s just a game lost. Even if we win, that’s merely going from 4 to 5 up.
A sweep, though, means the race is close again, or it’s just about over.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
Somone needs an image
of old style Mortal Kombat with the Rangers having just beat the Rally Monkey and the screen yelling “FINISH THEM!”
It is time for the Rangers to finish off the Angels. Right here, right now. Make the next three months boring, Texas…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I love that not long ago this race was uncomfortably tight. . .
. . . and it could be almost effectively over in the next few days.
Could. I’m not banking on a sweep.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
We're taking this streak to at least 15`
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
You and I are thinking the same thing.....
I basically posted the same thing right after you did. I’m with you….seize this moment!! Continue to rally and begin the process of burying them now. Make those last three games of the season a victory lap.
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jul 19, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Not counting on a sweep, but...
As the great philosopher Meatloaf once said—“Two out of three aint bad.”
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
I want nothing to do with ubaldo jiminez
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 19, 2011 9:45 AM CDT reply actions
I want nothing to do with Ubaldo
at the price they will ask.
And I think there are enough teams in the market this season that some desperate GM will pay pretty close to the Rocks’ asking price. Don’t be That Guy, JD!
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
You know on Zillow, the home buying site
where they have an option to view houses that aren’t really “for sale” but that have a “Make Me Move” price? The owners aren’t really looking to sell, but if someone’s going to overpay then they’ll take the money and run.
That’s what O’Dowd is doing with Ubaldo. Make Me Move Him.
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
The same was said about Greinke.
Once you start crossing this threshold where the guy is clearly out there on the block… something will happen.
It may not happen in July, but I’ll be very surprised if Ubaldo is in Colorado come Feb 2012.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
I agree
You don’t dangle a premiere player like him and not offend him somewhat; the Rangers of all people should know that.
If they are talking about it now, it may not get done. But this offseason the fire will heat up again.
I think the first ask from the Rox to the Yanks was higher than they’ll end up getting. And don’t get me wrong, I’m not in favor of sending Profar/Perez/Holland + others for Ubaldo. But I’m surprised the number of folks that want to go trade for bullpen help instead of just going and getting the best pitcher available.
Bullpen trades rarely favor the team trading for …
I'm not saying avoid Ubaldo because we need to spend the cash/trade value on bullpen help
I think we can either find BP help on the cheap or just make some moves internally (like moving Dutch or Ogando back to the ’pen).
I’m just saying that, in my opinion, Ubaldo is not (or at least, will not continue to be) the dominant elite pitcher you would expect for that price.
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
you think the dip in velocity is a sign of his early demise?
If so, I can see that as a possibility
But I don’t see it the same way. I see a guy who had limited ST innings and decided to try pitching to contact with his fastball at the beginning of the year – hence, a maturing approach to pitching
When he wants strike outs, he can still reach back for more velocity. At least he has the few times I’ve watched him this year.
I think in front of our defense, you’ll see Ubaldo go through the AL like Dan Haren has – lots of K’s and a good number of ground balls.
Now, there’s no way I give them all that they are reportedly asking. But if he’s really available and the price isn’t ludicrous, this is a great chance for the Rangers to make a playoff rotation for this year and beyond
x
pitching to contact with his fastball…hence, a maturing approach to pitching
I disagree that the former is a sign of the latter
by elvis1isking on Jul 19, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
just curious
but have you watched Ubaldo much over the years, or are you just speaking in general
In general, I can see your point. But with U, it’s a bit different.
He has such great stuff, you definitely got the impression he was trying to strike everyone out earlier in his career.
Taking a more measured approach, using his defense and getting deeper in games is something I think he’s been working on the last couple of years. He (and everyone around him) sees the value of a pitcher that regularly flirts with CG, and that was one area in which he did not excel.
my point is that
I don’t believe that “pitching to contact” shows “a maturing approach to pitching.”
Specifically regarding Ubaldo, using the data from texasleaguers.com it looks like there isn’t really a pattern for ‘In Play’ values. Nothing that seems anything other than just noise. Some are up, others are down, and I don’t know that a one year change is all that relevant anyway.
He’s probably trying to throw more strikes and command his pitches better (which is a good thing) but I don’t really think he’s “pitching to contact.”
by elvis1isking on Jul 19, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
tongue in cheek, but ...
you can tell all that just by looking at his minor league numbers and pulling apart his splits? it’s like you’d never have to watch a guy at all to know what he is or is going to be?
I’m not saying that Ubaldo is a changed man. All I’m saying is that I wouldn’t fret too much, as someone who is in favor of the trade/depending on the deal, about the dip in velocity.
Watching him a few years ago and watching him now, it appears that there’s some change in how he’s going about his business on the mound.
"I think that explains a lot about the Inbox:."
Nice buildup. One of your best. I laughed hard.
Rock the J2, JD!
Similar to xkcd's proposal that youtube comments be read aloud before being posted
Complicates the process, adds more thought to it, and more points where you have to stop and realize that trading Ian Kinsler so Micheal Young can go back to being the everyday 2B isn’t such a great idea.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Youtube actually put it in apparently
It doesn’t appear to have been veryeffective.
That said, sometimes things that work in theory but not in reality are fun.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
They always do this and I understand why....
“this series is it’s a make or break series”….“in the long-run, this series doesn’t mean that much”…
I don’t care what they say, this is a pretty big series…..they are hot right now and need to take advantage of any opportunity to thrash an opponent.
I hope the Rangers bring shovels (with brooms) to begin burying LAAAAAAAAA.
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jul 19, 2011 9:58 AM CDT reply actions
Ugh.
Finally, the DMN has a photo gallery from the Rangers best wins in 2011 so far.
DMN’s slow transformation into Bleacher Report is troubling.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
x
Newbergreport Well, then. @stewart6175400 @BBTiA Peter Gammons just said on MLB TV; CJ Wilson will cost 100 million to sign this Winter?
by Judy'sLewinsky on Jul 19, 2011 10:04 AM CDT reply actions
Boo this man
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
by colonialbob on Jul 19, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Flagged
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
6 years/100 mil......
What say you, LSB???
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jul 19, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it would have been helluva lot cheaper this past off-season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course... but there was also a reasonable chance he STBF this season compared to last.
What he’s done is fairly unique.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Kenny Rogers laughs his ass off at that notion.
If they had offered 4/56 back in December (when they knew PS Koufax had left), I have difficulty believing CJ would have turned that down.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
One guy?
I said fairly unique, not the most amazing snowflake ever.
They wanted to see if he could do it again. He’s done even better.
Look at CJs walk totals? Who in their right mind thinks a 30 year old pitcher all of the sudden drops his BB/9 by almost a full BB to improve on what was already an amazing 2010?
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Also... you may be underestimating CJs confidence in himself.
You have no idea that it wasn’t offered and turned down.
CJ may have decided to gamble on himself.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
It's been out there that the Rangers didn't make CJ an offer until March.
They fucked up, ’Stick.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I love CJ Wilson.
We have a lot in common… forgetting his baseball… I love the guy.
I was nervous about him being able to do this again and was way of offering him big money after 2010.
They didn’t fuck up… they were just cautious and it means they are going to either pay more or let him walk.
If he STBF this year, how would 4 years and 56-65m look then? And again… that’s if that even gets that done.
That’s a lot of money to tie up if you have any doubts.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
He's gonna walk...if they truly wanted to sign him it'd be done by now.
Yeah, they were being cautious but that’s no excuse. That’s a fuck up, especially when you realize he could have had for much cheaper.
Now he’s gonna walk and he’s going to need to be replaced.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
x
Yeah, they were being cautious but that’s no excuse
this might be my favorite
by elvis1isking on Jul 19, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
This is where we disagree.
I don’t take it as a given he would have even signed a 4 year / $56m deal.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
CJ was cool about it
But I don’t think he was signing anything last winter
Just one year away from FA, watching all the lefties on the starting pitching market get what they’ve gotten?
No, he wanted to try the FA process and that’s that
So...
…the Rangers are wrong for being cautious about signing to a long-term deal a guy who just threw 228 1/3 innings in a season, when his previous high was 73 2/3 innings.
The Rangers are wrong for being cautious about signing to a long-term deal a guy who had literally just tripled his workload.
Got it.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Yes, they were wrong.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I would hate for you to be the CEO of a company in which I invested.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
How did you feel about Beltre getting 6/96?
Was the FO acting “cautious”?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Position players are much much much more reliable than pitchers.
You know this.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
The Beltre Contract
was a long, long way from being cautious.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
You ignored matchst1ck's point.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
how so?
he’s been worth every bit of his salary so far this year. His defense has been phenomenal, and though his OBP is low, he’s been far from bad at the plate. He’s the kind of player that adds value with his defense even if he’s not hitting, and when he is hitting, he becomes even more valuable.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
Beltre has been great...when we're in Arlington.
If you extrapolate his road hitting stats to 600 plate appearances, you’re looking at somebody who would give you 9 HRs and a .279 OBP.
That’s not the point…the point is whether or not the Ranger FO were cautious in giving Beltre 6/96.
The answer to that is hell no.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I actually kind of agree.
Beltre’s contract was an aggressive move. I think it was a very good one, but it was certainly not cautious. Not sure that really has any bearing on what they should’ve done with CJ, though.
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
by colonialbob on Jul 19, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
ghtd was praising the Ranger FO for
being cautious with CJ although they were anything but cautious with Beltre.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
No, I know that
Two different situations, though. Pitcher vs position player, one-year starter vs proven player, etc.
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
by colonialbob on Jul 19, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
And Beltre came with a ton of risk...
His Seattle OBPs when he was in the prime of his career were a huge red flag …it’s why he only received a one year / $ 9 million deal from Boston in 2010.
Giving a 32 year old Beltre that deal could never, ever be called cautious.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
so?
the ballpark has been such an extreme hitters park this year that nearly the entire team has extreme home road splits. The point is that even if he’s not hitting .320, Beltre is still a positive contributor because of his power and defense.
If you want to look at failed risks, look at Jayson Werth.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
That's not the subject...the subject is whether or not the Ranger FO
acted cautious in signing Beltre.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
the more I think about it
the more I think that signing Beltre was the more conservative move. The risk of keeping Young at third base after losing out on Lee was that the fan base would feel that the team was not serious about going back to the world series.
Their feeling had to have been that Beltre’s bat would improve their problems against lefties and that his defense would help their pitching staff for next year. beyond that was of NO concern for this front office.
The risky move would be to install Mike Olt as the starting third baseman.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
I disagree.
Leaving MY at 3rd was the conservative move and going after another pitcher is the conservative move.
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
by colonialbob on Jul 19, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
who?
Lee was off the table. Greinke was off the table. the Rays wanted too much for Garza, and Pavano was staying with the Twins.
What other big name free agent pitchers changed teams last off season? Who else did we miss out on? We did sign Webb, who was supposed to be one of the better options (sadly)
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
And not signing CJ at a much
better price in this past off-season was a huge mistake.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Assuming he could've been signed at a good price.
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
by colonialbob on Jul 19, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
unless you're fine with letting CJ walk after this year
like I am
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
not sure anyone is fine with letting CJ walk this year
but I think that we have to be emotionally prepared for it.
as long as he doesn’t go to the Yankees or Angels, I’m happy.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
I have a feeling he'd go NL so he could hit in the lineup
I am okay with letting him go because of our young pitching.
Also, I’d rather spend big money on Hamilton, Cruz, and Kinsler. I do understand we probably won’t keep all 3 of those players, though.
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
Honestly Josey, put yourself in CJs shoes...
Why would you sign for any less than 5/85 and wait til free agency in a weak starting pitching market next year?
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
Was Greinke off the table at that point?
I don’t remember. And it probably would’ve had to be a trade. I’m not saying we would’ve necessarily gotten one, I’m saying that’s the cautious move. I’m very glad we signed Beltre.
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
by colonialbob on Jul 19, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Keep in mind
the Rangers had just shelled out an embarrassment of a contract for one Scott Wynn (!) Feldman after a single good season. I don’t think they wanted to be caught with their pants down if the same thing happened to Ceej.
I know, CJ is a far superior pitcher to Feldman, but I can understand why the FO wanted to be more cautious. And now they’ll have to pay for caution, either in cash, or in letting CJ walk.
Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.
by WildcatPhoenix on Jul 19, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
You can't discount Beltre's defense in making that deal either.
He has the ability to affect 145-155 games a year in a position that is very significant to a pitching staff and philosophy that is based on pitching to contact. With Elvis and then Beltre locked up long term, JD likely felt he had the left side of the IF taken care of long term and could possibly act as a pull factor to get TORPs to consider coming to Arlington. These things have to be taken into consideration when analyzing Beltre’s contract.
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
The Beltre defense, for the most part, has been great and a definite improvement.
6/96 to a 32 year old when you have all these other deals (CJ, Elvis, Josh, Cruz, Kinsler) also coming up was not cautious in any way, shape or form.
It was a huge, huge risk and it’s also way too early to evaluate if it was a good signing.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It was certainly a risk, but a calculated one.
JD didn’t just say “Fuck we missed out on Cliff, gotta sign somebody!” The way Beltre has performed this year, unless he drops off a cliff he should be worth the money. I think it was a great job of loading up for a run this/next year while not overly handicapping the team down the road (like giving Cliff 7 years would’ve done).
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by colonialbob on Jul 19, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
This.
I think it is obvious that the deal was based on the premise of going for it this year and next year (probably 2013 as well. Beltre will obviously lose some range over time, but even in 2016 will likely have more range than MY did last year. It was win now and in the immediate future kind of thinking and we will have MY off the books and farm hands coming up during the last years of the deal—so that should mitigate that. I believe this is what JD was thinking.
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
Beltre arguments are getting tiresome again.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
and I'm not singling you out Hip Hip Jorge.
:)
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Wasn't an argument...merely an example of the
Ranger FO not being cautious.
Beltre has been a monster in Arlington.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Fuck you
go fuck yourself you absolute fucking waste of fucking space
fuckyoufuckyoufuckyoufuckyoufuckyoufuckyoufuckyoufuckyoufuckyou
"It was like the movie Die Hard. The guy gets shot in the leg, he’s limping around and he still throws the bad guy down the elevator shaft. I was about to throw an eephus pitch."-CJ Wilson
Josey Wales is stupid
You seem to be operating with the advantage of hindsight.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
That's the way he works...
and he’s just looking for a reason to bait people into and argument so he can troll about the FO some more.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
No...the subject was brought up ...Gammons said 6/100
and I merely commented that it was a fuck up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
What he dismissed was the team not making an offer until March.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh I agree we should have made him a offer before ST or at least early in ST
But 4/56 would not have gotten it done
If they offer 4/56 in December and he turns that down, you couldn't rip the FO.
Then it’s in CJ’s court and he’s the one ballsy enough to go to free agency.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
you mean in december when they were still pursuing Lee
and Beltre?
How do you know that someone fromt he front office didn’t communicate with CJ’s agent only to hear that CJ wasn’t going to do any negotiating at that time?
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
Come up with something better than this.
CJ didn’t get a contract offer from the Rangers until March.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
How long does it take to prepare a contract offer
from scratch?
how many man hours for the front office? What thought processes were going through the minds of Chuck Greenberg, Nolan Ryan, John Daniels, Thad Levine, etc in December of last year? Were they even thinking about resigning CJ at the time?
What orders did CJ leave with his agent?
Did CJ talk to the team at all during December? Did he express any desire to sign a long term deal between the end of world series and spring training?
do you know anything at all? oh, wait. of course you don’t, all you know is that the Rangers didn’t publically announce that they extended a contract offer to CJ Wilson until March.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
He wasn't signing a four year deal
This offseason is his one chance to get a big-time payday. If they’d offered him 5/$75, I think C.J. thinks long and hard about it, but I think there’s a good chance he passes.
4/$56, he’s not a free agent again until he’s 34 and doesn’t have any more really big paydays on the horizon.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 19, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not signing a 4 year deal now, of course.
If we had offered 4/56 last December, he would have had to take a very serious look.
That didn’t happen…we screwed around and gave him a substandard offer in March.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
why would it have mattered
if he turned down 4/56 in March, why would he have accepted it in December?
and if we didn’t offer him 4/56 in March, why would we have offered it in December.
in fact, how could it have possibly mattered when, during the offseason, we had offered CJ a contract extension?
You think CJ was insulted? if so, you are either a lot closer to the players than anyone would admit, or you are complete idiot.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
I don't know what CJ was offered but he obviously
wasn’t impressed with the years, the money or when it was presented to him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
you spoke with him about it?
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
You absolutely could rip the FO
And you would do so in a heartbeat. You would argue its the same thing they did with Tex and offer him well below market value knowing he would turn it down.
4/56 would not have gotten it done. it wouldn’t have been close. Hell 4 years likely wouldn’t be enough CJ would want 5 with options also.
I agree with you that we screwed the pooch in not addressing CJ earlier and by the time we did it was too late. But if the FO had only offered 4/56 they would not escape scrutiny from anyone especially you and you know it
At the time, 4/56 (would have been an extension starting in 2012) after one successful season would have been a very fair offer to CJ.
That’s $ 14 million per for a pitcher who had one full year of starting experience in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Its CJs one chance at a big payday
Given the confidence CJ has shown he has in himself what makes you think he would have been scared of going out and performing so terribly that he couldn’t get close to 4/56 in FA with all 30 teams bidding on him?
The only way you don’t rip the FO if they offer 4/56 and CJ turns it down is if he comes out and has a terrible season/gets injured. if he turns that down and then comes out and pitches like he has you are on here comparing the CJ “extension offer” to the Tex one back in 07 before he was traded.
4/56
Given that he’s making $7 million this year, that would have been a 3 year, $49 million extension.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 19, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't think so...
He would want more years and probably at least 15 mil per. Unless he would give TX a hometown discount, which I don’t think he would.
He’s not stupid. If he’s confident he can repeat last year, he would benefit from the open market next year.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
probably why CJ didn't want to negotiate this past offseason.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
I'm still in favor
Its a lot of money, but if its 6 years, its a reasonable yearly salary and there’s no one I trust more than CJ to take care of himself.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
this team has too much young pitching...
in the pipeline with kep position players taht they are going to have to sign or go after because the system isn’t as deep in that regard.
You can’t give BGL 100 million imo. Not with Hamilton, Kinsler, and Cruz all coming up on FA. You may not re-sign all those guys, but you’ll have to replace them.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
*key position*...
my typing sucks.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I'm not commenting on the merits of your argument
but when I saw “too much young pitching” I nearly lost it. Then I kept reading and it actually made some sense.
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
by colonialbob on Jul 19, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Cruz
has a lot more to prove before getting any kind of big money contract.
even Kinsler and Hamilton have such health issues that signing them long term is a gamble.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
And that's fine...
but I don’t think this team can afford to throw 100 million at a pitcher right now.
If you take Cruz, Hamilton and Kinsler out of this lineup and replace them with whoever is in the system the offense is really going to be hurting in a couple years. I don’t think the big bats are there in the minore to just let those guys go without replacing them. I do think the arms are there that could help replace Ceej. It’s just an issue with allocation of funds.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
that all depends
these aren’t the $55 million payroll Rangers anymore that have to support a failing hockey franchise and a soccer franchise and all of Hicks’ other boondoggles.
this is a team coming off a pennant, trying to make another pennant run.
what happens if the team wins it all this year? you think we’ll have a drop in attendence next year? or if we get bounced in the first round?
lots of variables between now and next offseason as far as resigning CJ.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
Looking at the farm...
We have a greater ability to replace pitchers at this point than we do position players. Of course position players are also cheaper to replace if you have to go on the open market. And excess pitching is pure gold to take to that market.
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
Absolutely
I agree totally.
in fact, we might not even bid on CJ if we feel that Feliz and Perez are ready to battle for that spot.
Lewis, Harrison, Feliz, Holland, Perez with Ogando as the closer?
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
you want to make Ogando the closer?
after he’s at least shown he can be a very effective major league starter – something Feliz and Perez (and heck, Holland and even Harrison) haven’t done?
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Why F with it?
Leave Ogando as a starter and Feliz as your closer.
Feliz has said he doesn’t want to start and was hurt / ineffective the first part of this season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm all for giving Feliz a real shot at being a starter next year
I’m assuming CJ will be gone and Perez won’t quite be ready.
Ogando, Lewis, Harry, Holland – need one more. And I think there is a 50% shot that Harry or Holland is gone by next April 1. Feliz has the highest ceiling of anyone on this team; position player or pitcher. Give him a shot at it. I think he’ll succeed.
Now, unlike everyone else, I don’t think closer is unimportant. I don’t think anyone can do it, and I think that it should be something the Rangers try to address, either internally or externally. But Feliz hasn’t been lights out there this year either.
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
How has Matt Harrison not shown he can be an effective MLB starter?
Using the same criteria as you are using for Ogando.
well, I said "very effective"
Harry has been great this year, but you can at least argue that he’s a product of the defense. Now… he’s letting his defense work for him, which is more than you can say about 1.70 HR/9 Colby Lewis. But I wouldn’t go so far to say Harry has been “very effective” in a way that would make me think he may continue to be so going forward…
Ogando, on the other hand, has been phenomenal.
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Do you think Harry could maintain this level of performance
provided we maintained the same level of defense? Or at least a reasonable facsimile?
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
I don't think Harry can be a sub 3.00 ERA guy if he can't get his Ks up.
But I think he could outperform his FIP by ~0.25 or 0.50. So I’d say he could be a 3.50 or 3.75 pitcher in a pitching friendly season. Decent #3. Basically our own Trevor Cahill.
I don’t think he’s Scott Feldman. I think that is an exceptionally lazy comparison..
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
See our defense is why I think someone like Harry could maintain success
Someone like Colby is more of a SO/FB pitcher. He lives or dies on his own performance. Harry, to me, has learned to use that defense to his advantage. Yes he can sling it up there at 93. And that change up is getting more and more filthy. Maybe I’ve drank too much Kool-Aid, but I definitely see Harry as a #3 with the potential going forward to be even more.
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
I'll also add
that I still think Harry’s head is the big wild card. He’s been smart and focused this year, and well balanced for the most part. I think if he keeps this up, he could improve. I don’t think he can ever reach CJ Wilson heights – who I think is a similar pitcher stuff wise but a much “smarter” and sophisticated pitcher.
On the other hand, my worry with Harry is still that he could get roughed up for one start and get sent into some pitcher death spiral from which he can’t recover. He almost went into one earlier this year, but pulled out of it.
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I knew that would be a bit
controversal.
actually, you could also do it as follows:
Ogando, Harry, Lewis, Holland, Feliz with Perez as the closer
using the closers role to get Perez into the Majors. (or have Perez set up for a free agent closer.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
Do you think Perez will be in the majors to start 2012?
My guess is he starts in AAA, at least long enough for us to figure out if Feliz can be a starter or not.
Come next June 1, I think Perez is in the rotation. But I don’t think it is obvious who for at the moment.
Amazing how Tommy Hunter has completely lost his job, isn’t it?
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Actually
Given that its July and Perez has already been sent to AAA, I think he breaks camp with the team. though I’m re-thinking him starting in the rotation.
Poor Tommy. But, that being said, if Tommy can hit 96 on the gun in the pen, he might be the answer we’re looking for as a closer. We know he’s unflappable, we know he’s got the emotional side to it, and he might even have the stuff for it. wouldn’t that be a kick in the pants.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
I said it in June.
I can see Tommy being the closer next year. Kinda like a John Wetteland redux.
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
yeah, that'd really be something
Everyone raise your hand if you had “Tommy Hunter will be the 2012 closer”. Yeah, I thought so…
But I guess he could do it.
As for Perez, he’s really pushing his way onto the map. My preference for him would be something like what the Rays did with David Price. Bring him up in September for the home stretch, get his major league feet wet as a situational lefty. If he proves really potent out there, use him in the playoffs, the way the Rays did with Price.
Then, next year, just send him to AAA for a couple of months. There is no rush to start his free agency clock. Bring him up mid June. And let the Perez era begin in full glory.
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I don't want to see Perez in Arlington this year...
next June or July is soon enough.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
If he completely rocks AAA
and the team needs a lefty in the bullpen for the playoffs, then I don’t see the problem with it.
If he shows some mild growing pains in AAA, as he did in AA last year, I’d go ahead and keep him away from Arlington.
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
At most only one of Holland/Harrison are probably in the rotation anyway
if we make it to the playoffs.
I don’t really see the point to having Perez in the bully too unless it’s just to experience it.
A good showing in AAA may result in a Sept callup though. That would be cool, but I’m fine with Perez staying in AAA all season too.
by elvis1isking on Jul 19, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Hunter's job
Maybe he lost his old one and is on the verge of a new one
Everyone talks about going out to sign a closer in the offseason to move Feliz back to the rotation.
Obviously, there’s some pitching (and proof) left to do, but I can see Hunter being that guy. I think he flourishes in a late-inning, reduced exposure role.
I do agree with you on your earlier point
All those names make it easier to live without CJ.
My guess is any CJ signing will mean one of Harry or Holland (or maybe Lewis, depending on how the rest of the season shakes up) gets dealt.
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
but at that point, who are you trading for?
a starter? a reliever? an offensive player?
would the team dare trade a 25 year old big league starter for prospects coming off a pennant drive?
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
A lot will depend on whether or not Perez is ready for prime time
Also, it will be interesting to see how Holland/Harry perform down the stretch this year.
"Anyone that knows me, an' the game of baseball, know what Ron Washington is about."
If the team were to re-sign CJ
then the roto looks like it does now, with Feliz as well.
Why not deal Harry or Holland at that point? I hate to say it, but if Harry finishes off this year at aroudn a 3.00 ERA, isn’t the smart thing to do to trade him? Get a CF who can man the position until Leonys is ready, get a catcher who can frame a pitch, trade Harry + Moreland for a better, closer to FA firstbaseman. I don’t know.
Wow… this team is really shaping up to be very good for a long time. It is amazing how an 11 game winning streak can make you feel.
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Do your Yu diligence, too.
Just to see what it would take.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Who need Ubaldo!
We’ll have Yu, CJ, Ogando, Feliz, and Perez
Our Harry/Holland fight won’t even matter a year from now!
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
CJ and Yu are probably mutually-exclusive.
I imagine that Yu is the backup plan if someone moneywhips CJ.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
oh, I know...
I’m just having fun. Next March will get ugly between us if there is one spot for Harry and Holland
Of course, this would mean that JD screwed up, which simply is not a possible outcome…
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Screwed up by not trading Harrison, you mean.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
yes
I would argue that Harrison and Holland have both shown enough this year to be assured rotation spots going forward. If the team goes into 2012 with too many guys in the hunt for rotation spots such that one of these two will miss out, then JD probably should have traded (relatively) high on the other one.
I would probably agree that a CJ signing should mean that Harrison gets dealt.
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Hey Philadelphia...
Can you believe that Matt Harrison has an ERA under 3?
You’ve still got Halladay, Lee, and Hamels. You NEED Matt Harrison’s goatee backing them up.
Or what about you, Toronto? You want some Matty Ice?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I'm convinced Harry will be a St Louis Cardinal
I don’t know why. But Harrison + NL hitters + Dave Duncan makes me happy for Harry’s future…
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I didn't even THINK about St. Louis.
That might be perfect.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
That kid's dad is batshit crazy.
Just don’t get it.
Different strokes and shit I suppose.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Nelson Cruz + Harry for Rasmus + something cute
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Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Nellie can't go though...
I don’t want to lose the boomstick.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
That's tough.
That’s right at the boundary of “I’ll do it but it hurts” and “Sorry, good luck wherever you’re off to now”.
You’d probably also assume people wouldn’t post images of dinosaurs with human penises, but I’m looking for anything I can use to put a fighting robot together! -Closure GT, 7/5/11
by colonialbob on Jul 19, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like the Cliff Lee discussion.....
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jul 19, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I think I'm still interested in Ubaldo Jimenez.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
What cost?
I’m thinking that Boston (56-26 in last 82 games) is going to win the AL East so that means we get the Yankees in a 5 game series.
Cobra punted them twice, PS Koufax got them once and Hunter/Holland combined on the other game.
Are we better off using a LH starter or RH starter v the Yankees?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Give me Ubaldo-handed, rather than not-Ubaldo-handed.
/handedness-overrated
by 7.62x39 on Jul 19, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right.
Give me the guy who can dominate.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
It's Kershaw.
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by Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Well give him to me!
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
I would love Kershaw
but he ain’t going anywhere.
So...
You’re the anti-Adam? by Brandon C. on Jun 16, 2011 3:46 PM CDT in response to Josey
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 19, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
He almost had a heat stroke in Chicago the other day.
He would die in Arlington.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
me too
It’d hurt, but I’d offer Harrison/Perez or Holland/Ramirez along with their pick of a couple position players not named Profar
If the Rox can get 3 top 25 prospects from the Yanks, then … nice work
But no way can they go Profar, Perez, another pitcher and Harrison – that’s too much, IMO
If we could do Holland/Ramirez without Profar for Ubaldo.
Fuck yes.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Any trade that doesn't hurt our 2011 AND keeps Perez and Profar.
Fuck yes.
Seems impossible though.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Challenge Accepted.
/NinJD
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probably, but ...
as Aqua said, beware the ninja
if you had to give up one or the other? Profar or Perez?
That’s an easy question before the season, but I am having a harder time with it now. Jurickson seems perfectly positioned to slide into our MIF in a couple/few years when/if Kinsler gets too expensive
I'll go ahead and predict it
I think that IF the Rangers make a major move this summer, it will not involve Perez or Profar. Like I said yesterday, if it does, they will be the only major piece going; Holland / Harrison won’t be involved.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Probably going to have to go with no.
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