A question for the proponents of Texas trading for Hunter Pence
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 24, 2011 12:50 PM CDT
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PrintQuite a few Rangers fans have advocated trading for the Astros' Hunter Pence. Pence is supposedly available, but the Astros are going to want a lot for him...the cost is most likely going to be higher than the price for Carlos Beltran, Mike Adams, or Heath Bell, among others out there. This is in part due to him having a breakout year this year, and in part because he's under team control through 2013 (although he'll cost about $10 million in 2012 and probably $12-15 million in 2013 via arbitration).
The question I have, for those who want Pence, is what do you see his role here being going forward? Do you trade for him with the idea being that you trade Nelson Cruz or Josh Hamilton this offseason? Do you go with a Cruz/Hamilton/Pence outfield in 2012, hope Hamilton can stay healthy playing centerfield all year, and then let Hamilton walk after that? Do you look to move Pence after this season?
I just struggle to see how Pence is a good fit going forward, particularly given how costly he would be to obtain.
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Best deal is get Beltran for cash and lower prospects
Like you said, Pence makes sense only if you are figuring on flipping Cruz or Hamilton next year for something of need.
Torrealba must go.
Arlington native
He could take less in arb and live with his parents.
by robert_d_wilfong on Jul 24, 2011 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Yup.
It would be stupid for him not to!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Trading Hambone or Cruz?
does not compute
Salma Hayek is not hot.
by AndrusImpersonator on Jul 24, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions
As a UTA student, I want Pence here more than anybody.
If he were a rental with no contract after this year, I’d say go for it. Josh can play centerfield in the playoffs.
But, since he’s on a longer contract and he’d be expensive, it’s a no-go. Giving up Hamilton or Cruz would be a huge mistake. We need a fast, classic center fielder-type in the long run, IMO.
Beltran is perfect, since he’s just a rental.
HNNNNNNGGGGG
No Pence
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
#Rangers are interested in Beltran because of the potential impact but aren’t desperate to add a bat otherwise. #Mets
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
<3 JD
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
only make a trade if it makes sense and it is for an impact player...
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Are you saying the Rangers shouldn't trade for Josh Willingham?
I feel like you are saying the Rangers shouldn’t trade for Josh Willingham…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck that.
Zero reason to trade Perez unless it’s for a frontline starter.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Doubtful.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.. that's DEFINITELY not accurate.
"Look if you want a journalist hire a UT grad. If you want a doctor you pick a Baylor grad. If you need a vet you see an Aggie grad. And if you need a pizza you call a Tech grad." -BUBacker
Oswalt had a big contract, a no-trade, and was only under team control for a year and a half
Pence has more value as a trade chip now than Oswalt did last year.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 24, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
no-trade, meh...overrated
he was wanting out.
But, if Pence was traded now, how many years would the trading team have control over him?
He wanted out, but would only waive his deal to go to a handful of teams
He also hadn’t been all that great since 2007 when he was dealt.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 24, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Id say you are pretty terrible at coming up with trade proposals
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Gee, thanks
That wasn’t a “trade proposal.” That’s a reflection of what I think it would take for the Astros to part with Pence right now. He’s a very good player under team control for two and a half more years, and he’s not someone that Houston is going to want to part with unless they are bowled over with an offer.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 24, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Im just messing
it wasnt terrible.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
I find it baffling that people who are throwing the kitchen sink in deals for Ubaldo
suddenly are confused when Perez gets included in a estimated cost for Pence. I mean, Pence isn’t quite Ubaldo, but solid position players are always more expensive than the equivalent pitchers.
It is perfectly reasonable to expect that Houston will want at least a top 25 guy for their one good trade chip, plus a few other pieces. Otherwise they’d be crazy to trade him (the exact same logic as used for Ubaldo…)
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I'm not confused.
I’m just not interested.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Im in the same boat
I expect the Astros to demand those types of players. I want no part of that for Pence. I like him, but he doesnt fit our team very well.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
sure, I'm not interested either
people seemed to get annoyed at AJM for even suggesting Houston would ask for that. And, while I’m one to never shirk from an opportunity to be snarky to Adam, he’s very much in the ballpark here. He’s not suggesting to make that trade, he’s saying that’s what they’d want, which is why he doesn’t want him.
I mean, clearly we’d all want Pence if it meant trading Murphy and Loux. But it doesn’t. It is going to cost something that will hurt, and why pay a steep price for something you don’t need?
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I didn't get annoyed.
I just said “Fuck that.”
And I felt the need to comment since I’m one of the more vocal Ubaldo enthusiasts who would trade Perez for him and you commented on those folk.
I don’t think what AJM mentioned is far off what the Astros would seek.
I just think the same as you that we shouldn’t pay a steep price for something we don’t need.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
They're not talking about what the Rangers would do
they’re talking about what it would take, though.
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
I guess if you mean relief pitching..
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems light?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Just based on what Houston is publicly demanding.
Obviously, they are currently quoting a higher price than they would accept, but I am not sure they would accept that. The way their team is currently constructed, I almost think they should target something like Borbon, Davis, Erlin and Neil Ramirez (and maybe a Luke Jackson or Wieland or some such).
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that's doubtful
Not only is Pence valuable, but there’s also the element of the Astros likely feeling they have to be overpaid to move him, given that he’s the closest thing they have to a FOTF.
by Darrell McKown on Jul 24, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Living in Houston
and hearing all of the sports talk, there is a feeling that if they do not get a monster deal for him the public will tunr on the franchise. Since Pence is like you said the FOTF, he is very popular here and is still young.
The opinion from most callers is that they would raher shop Bounre and Wandy and keep Pence.
by stnlycupchmps99 on Jul 24, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think so
i have a hard time believing Pence costs a top 10 prospect in baseball
I still have no desire at all to try and get him
"It was like the movie Die Hard. The guy gets shot in the leg, he’s limping around and he still throws the bad guy down the elevator shaft. I was about to throw an eephus pitch."-CJ Wilson
Josey Wales is stupid
Perez isn't necessarily a top 10 prospect in baseball
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 24, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
he's pretty close
I think that’s a fair place to put him, given that BA has him at #6 or something and he’s not doing anything particularly negative that they’re ignoring. I mean, certainly some people will say otherwise, but I imagine the Rangers will treat him as such.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I agree, he's close
I think everyone has him in the top 20, and the majority of folks will have him in the top 10, but I don’t think it is a slamdunk that everyone and every team is going to say he’s top 10.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 24, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Either way...i wouldnt trade a top 20 prospect in baseball for Pence
"It was like the movie Die Hard. The guy gets shot in the leg, he’s limping around and he still throws the bad guy down the elevator shaft. I was about to throw an eephus pitch."-CJ Wilson
Josey Wales is stupid
well, that's splitting hairs, I guess
probably only 5 or 6 guys would be in everyone’s top 10. Does that mean there are only 5 top 10 guys?
Anyway, if some team views Perez as only a little better than Erlin, then you don’t talk about trading Perez to said club.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
i would say he has been in most top 10s
"It was like the movie Die Hard. The guy gets shot in the leg, he’s limping around and he still throws the bad guy down the elevator shaft. I was about to throw an eephus pitch."-CJ Wilson
Josey Wales is stupid
Can Pence play CF at all? Or would it be like putting Murph out there?
by peppersquad on Jul 24, 2011 1:08 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
that's the misconception i think,
that you stick Pence in center and flank him with Hamilton and Cruz.
if he wants a corner spot, keep walking
by oc on Jul 24, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
He hasn't played CF since 2007
His defensive numbers have gone down the past couple of years - UZR and +/ both had him excellent in RF in 2008 and 2009, but that’s gone down in 2010 and 2011. I think he’s probably still above average defensively in RF, but I don’t think he can handle CF defensively.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 24, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Segue
Last night at the game my brain finally thought of something I meant to ask yesterday.
You mentioned if we got Beltran you wouldn’t bat him 4th behind Josh… I think it was for pitching matchups.
Does it really matter with Beltran being a switch hitter who has a .350 wOBA against LHP?
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
It isn't because I don't want Hamilton and Beltran next to each other
It is because I don’t want to have Beltre, Young and Cruz all strung together if I can break them up with a lefty or a switch hitter.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 24, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay that makes sense.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Pence
If he could reasonably play CF, he would be even more costly to acquire.
by Darrell McKown on Jul 24, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: Are we the only team without a switch hitter in our everyday lineup?
Seems very rare to not have one. With Blanco on the DL we don’t even have one on the club (Besides Dutch??)
sound aboat right.
"We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames." - Ron Washington 04/03/11
*sounds aboat right*
oh never mind.
"We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames." - Ron Washington 04/03/11
Odd, it's not that hard to see it.
"Look if you want a journalist hire a UT grad. If you want a doctor you pick a Baylor grad. If you need a vet you see an Aggie grad. And if you need a pizza you call a Tech grad." -BUBacker
Pence for Andrus straight up
Face at SS until Profar is ready.
by dolphinpuncher on Jul 24, 2011 1:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Stop it.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
You're right, that's just stupid.
We’d need to throw in some cash to sweeten the deal.
by dolphinpuncher on Jul 24, 2011 1:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey Patrick Burns!
patrickjburns89 Patrick Burns
@BBTiA Pence for Andrus straight up, Face at SS until Profar is ready.
You’re one twitter account I won’t be following…
"Certainly, we were penalties, and we stopped ourselves." - Les Miles
I was almost positive that Patrick Burns was HF45.
DP, tell me this isn’t you…
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
haha, it isn't.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Am I being fucked with right now?
Because I’m at 50 hours with no sleep and reality is a leering, unshaven beast right now.
For the record, that’s my facetious, troll-bait comment.
by dolphinpuncher on Jul 24, 2011 4:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you or are you not Patrick Burns?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Trading for HP would be best case scenario
Hamilton/Pence/Cruz & any of our utility players(Moreland/Davis/Young) could fill in if they needed a break. Bourbon waiting if any were injured. Kind of like the Davis situation…
with Pence…A hole in our lineup/defense/speed/age…? where?
Who plays CF?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Pence isn't a legitimate option in CF
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 24, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Pence in CF
I smell a lot of missed plays.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
But an influx of young female Hunter Pence fans at the ball
What do they call themselves again? Hunter’s Hotties? Pence’s Pussies?
by dolphinpuncher on Jul 24, 2011 1:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Watching Astros/Cubs right now
Pence is such a goofy dude. His swing is just… ugly. It’s ugly in a classic sense, though. He looks uncoordinated and shaky, but he smacks the crap out of the ball.
HNNNNNNGGGGG
He reminds me of murphy, in that sense.
Ugly batting stance, ugly swing, looks like a little kid when he runs, ugly throwing motion. Incredible player, though.
HNNNNNNGGGGG
Pence swings like Nowitzki shoots
Awkward, gangly, and seemingly un-coordinated when attempting the ball. We already have a goofy MF’er as the center point of a local team. As much fun as it might be to watch Dirk rainbow eephus pitches during BP to the Manute Bol of baseball, I would not be an advocate of Pence coming here. We might as well stick Michael Young in center field if we are considering HP.
by stormdude3603 on Jul 25, 2011 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions
hockey fan here
trying to learn baseball. would yall really be okay with trading josh? i mean i could see trading cruz. but maybe probably i dont know what im talking about
now im not talking about this year, im talking after the season
go go goligoski
no
only time you consider trading him is when you can’t sign him to an extension and you are out of the race.
I know you're still struggling to find your way in LSB but you'd probably feel more comfortable in one of the other threads that talks about
weather, fashion, video games, uniform colors, etc. . - Josey Wales 5/18/11
And there's only 3 months left on his contract.
Even then…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm confused
Why could we not trade pence in the offseason? Why does it have to be Cruz or Hamilton?
I mean, if anything we would get a rental player through the playoffs and actually get something back for him at the end of the year, which you won’t get with Beltran. Although the price could just be too high for that luxury.
What happens if you don't get the price you want in the offseason?
What do you do going into next season?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Last sentence of the second paragraph
Do you look to move Pence after this season?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 24, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
well if Pence can't play centerfield
you have to move one of Cruz, Hamilton, or Pence. They’ve invested heavily in Martin and he’s roaming the outfield in Arlington next year unless he’s injured or falls flat on his face so…Yeah they could move him but if you’re going to rent someone isn’t it better to pay the cheaper price for Beltran (the better hitter) than giving up your best prospects for Pence. JD and company trust their development staff and all things being equal will want to hold onto their guys than buy high on Pence, sell him this winter attempting to recoup what they’ve given away.
I was reading on my phone. Obviously missed some sentences.
And you could say the exact same thing about Cruz or hambone.
I mean, it depends on what it would take to get him, but if you don’t have to give up too much more than you have to give up for Beltran, anything you get back is a windfall.
That's part of the point
Of course you have to give up a lot more to rent Beltran than you do to buy Pence for the next few years.
Where did anyone say their prices were similar?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
No one said it. I am just talking.
And I’m not advocating for pence. I really don’t wanna see his ichibad ass running around rbia. I was really just asking because I didnt catch Adams last sentence in the second to last paragraph.
You mean a lot more to buy Pence, right?
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
Right.
My bad.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
AJM
put up a poll. I personally think less than 15% of the people here would do a deal for Pence involving Perez.
I think less than 10% of us would do ANY deal for Pence
that would come close to giving the Astros what they want for him.
"We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames." - Ron Washington 04/03/11
This
Pence isn’t worth giving up anything promising.
by John08Patriot on Jul 24, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think there's much point
It would be about 98% no.
And really, what I was more interested in is what the thinking of the “let’s go get Hunter Pence” folks is, in terms of beyond 2011.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 24, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think those people are members of this board...
"It was like the movie Die Hard. The guy gets shot in the leg, he’s limping around and he still throws the bad guy down the elevator shaft. I was about to throw an eephus pitch."-CJ Wilson
Josey Wales is stupid
I wasn't thinking long-term.
by dolphinpuncher on Jul 24, 2011 2:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
How many more years is Cruz under team control?
Maybe Pence would be a better option going forward in RF since it seems Cruz has trouble playing a full season and has been streaky?
what is a realistic ETA for Martin Perez? 2013?
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 24, 2011 2:36 PM CDT reply actions
for the roto?
I don’t see him in the rotation next year but he could get some work out of the Rangers bullpen. Still too many variables to consider but he should compete for a roto spot in ST of 2013.
I know you're still struggling to find your way in LSB but you'd probably feel more comfortable in one of the other threads that talks about
weather, fashion, video games, uniform colors, etc. . - Josey Wales 5/18/11
Sometime in 2012
I’d be surprised if he hasn’t made his major league debut by the end of 2012
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 24, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking they put him in the bullpen over the last month or so.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
because he hasn't pitched all year?
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
He's about to go out for a rehab assignment.
And may not pitch in games for another month at the minimum.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
And it was shoulder surgery.
So until he pitches again and shows he’s still Johan Santana, I’m not convinced he’s Johan Santana.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
status
Johan Santana’s session in the visitors’ bullpen at Sun Life Stadium on Sunday afternoon was his next step toward pitching again in a Major League game.
The 32-year-old left-hander threw 45 pitches for around 15 minutes in 89-degree weather.
“I felt good overall. I think all the work that we have been doing is paying off,” Santana said. “I think the way I’m feeling right now is, I’m getting closer.”
Sounds like Brandon Webb.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Best shape of his life
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
He threw 45 pitches???
Oh yeah, let’s go get him right now!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
hes only 32?
shit, i thought he was older than that
"It was like the movie Die Hard. The guy gets shot in the leg, he’s limping around and he still throws the bad guy down the elevator shaft. I was about to throw an eephus pitch."-CJ Wilson
Josey Wales is stupid
Shit Jon Heyman at it again:
#mets talking to #rangers and #redsox about beltran. but still see nl teams #sfgiants, #braves & #phillies as more likely
My question for Hunter Pence fans
Should Brett Wallace lose some ass weight?
by robert_d_wilfong on Jul 24, 2011 3:10 PM CDT reply actions
That dude is thick.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
At what point would it be more effective to just go after Upton or Rasmus instead of Pence?
Sounds like the Pence price will be expected to be rather steep. Why not take a shot at a guy that is a natural CF and then make due with the potential OF logjam of Cruz.Hamilton, Martin, and Rasmus/Upton when it happens.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Upton would be an upgrade over Gentry
I know you're still struggling to find your way in LSB but you'd probably feel more comfortable in one of the other threads that talks about
weather, fashion, video games, uniform colors, etc. . - Josey Wales 5/18/11
haha, actually...
I withdraw my statement below.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
His ol' man needs to go away.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Jackson is at best a solid 3 on a playoff team
not sure if he is worth a form top 5 prospect in CF
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
there are better matches for Stl than CHW
they have little prospect depth, Buhrele has a 15M guaranteed option if traded..
Edwin Jackson might be the best bet as far as a center piece, but many clubs could match that.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
That URL is misleading
This amused me, though:
If the move were to happen, Alex Rios and Juan Pierre could end up splitting time in left field while Rasmus takes over in center. Or the three of them could rotate time in the two positions.
Because Colby Rasmus should be sharing time with Alex Rios and Juan Pierre.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 24, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That's like fretting over David Murphy's playing time if the Rangers get Beltran.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
That's a lot of money on the bench half the time.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
huh
@SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
very weak lefty relief market could inspire #rangers to deal lh arthur rhodes (.206 baa by lhh). Texas needs righty in pen
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Is this going to be the thread for us poor desolate souls not a Newberg night?
Once again left behind by the cool kids…
Hopefully we can get a condensed version from someone who is there…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I hope someone does.
I tried to get my dad to go with me…
Me: Dad, you wanna go to Newberg Night with me?
Dad: Too hot.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Fuck it... we should have went
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Just bought a 1/2 gal of Blue Bell's Homemade Vanilla...boomzilla.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I need a beer...
got a 4 pack of Boddingtons… Might be whats for dinner tonight
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Just had some of this cheese I got yesterday at a farmer's market.
Spicy chipotle Chevre. It’s a goat cheese and it’s fantastically tasty. Had it on toast.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Young at 3B today.
Davis DH’ing.
Napoli catching.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
oddly, I think this is the best configuration of those three...
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
That is... odd.
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
I'm not sure I disagree.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Lost.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
at some point we have to start wanting seattle to win
so they don’t get another top 3 draft pick.
Though I want their streak to go on indefinitely as well…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
The next draft is much, much weaker than this one.
Unless they get THE top pick, there isn’t much separation between 3 and something like 6 or 7.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
well, lower is always better
because we have no idea how things will shape up a year from now. Ideally, they (M’s, A’s, or Angels) either pick after 16th or ~10th.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Houston and Chicago playing takes me back to my childhood....
seems like they were always playing one another on TV.
How boring.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Napoli
Napoli has one more year of arb left next year. I’m guessing 8-9m?
Do you consider trying to lock him up at any point and saying he’s the primary catcher here for the next handful of years?
This assumes we find a way to dump most of Torrealba’s salary.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
I'd love to,
but I don’t think he accepts. He will have just turned 31 and should have established himself as Victor Martinez-light by that point.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
JD on starting pitching
“We like our starting five,” Daniels said. “We like our seven guys, including Hunter and Feldman. I thought Feldman threw the ball well the other day. We’ve connected on a few guys that might be available, but for us to do something, it would have to be a significant upgrade. If it’s not, it doesn’t make much sense. We like what we have.”
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
I wouldn't expect him to say anything different.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
don't expect him to say
we got 2 holes in our rotation and we need to fill them… sorry guys, we just think you aren’t doing to do it
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
No... but it made me think of the Scott Baker trade proposal.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
I think Feldman still has some upside to him
Last season he was pitching injured and if he’s got his cutter back then he could return to being a solid #3.
Merkin.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Lets hope he makes it to the majors
Then, Norm will be forced to talk about Merkin. In a trade proposal…Merkin? No…no…no…no…never…never…never…never!
by stormdude3603 on Jul 25, 2011 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Jeff Passan
Source says Roy Smith, one of Sandy Alderson’s top major league scouts w/Mets, has been on Giants minor leaguers. Where there’s smoke …
i think he has a dong in there
not a bong
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
=/
.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
More LA goodness
Texas also signed Venezuelan left-hander Yohander Mendez, a 16-year-old, to a 2012 contract. He’s a 6-foot-5, 175-pound left-hander who was with Magallanes in the Venezuelan Winter League (Elvis Andrus’ winter club) this past offseason.
Outfielder Eduard Pinto, 16, also signed a 2012 contract. He is 5-foot-10, 155 pounds and hits left-handed. He also played for Magallanes in the Venezuelan Winter League last season.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
You left out the best part...
we signed Merkin Valdez.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
The Rangers pretty much own Venezuela
JeffWilson_FWST Jeff Wilson
LHP Yohander Mendez signs with the #Rangers for $1.5 million. OF Eduardo Pena signs for $300K. Both from Venezuela. Both 16.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Hey Jeff...
FYI, it’s Eduardo Pinto, not Pena.
by Ty R on Jul 24, 2011 6:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But now he doesn't have to look like one when he's naked...
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 24, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Newberg: standing o for JD
Raffle, auction raised $15k+ for Stone fund.
by Schoolly_D on Jul 24, 2011 5:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
If JD can trade Arthur Rhodes for anyone (even a Mark Hamburger type)
Than he really is a ninja. I’m not sure where Heyman is coming up with this rumor.
by Ty R on Jul 24, 2011 6:18 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
It has been reported for a while that the Rangers have been trying to trade Rhodes
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 24, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure they have...
but who in the hell would want him? I’m just wondering how Heyman thinks we could trade Rhodes for anyone that could contribute to our bullpen. I’d be expecting a return similar to what what got for Eddie G. back in ’09.
by Ty R on Jul 24, 2011 6:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
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