Stark: Execs expect Rangers to land Bell
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2011 1:22 PM CDT
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PrintJayson Stark has a new piece up,and the lead is the Heath Bell situation, with Stark saying that the San Diego Padres have "narrowed their focus" and are looking at deals to move Bell, along with potentially Ryan Ludwick and Mike Adams.
Stark says several front office execs have predicted in the last 24 hours that Bell will end up with Texas, and that "in the past 24 hours, Texas' discussions with the Padres have gotten "more specific" and that the teams were trying to settle on a "realistic price" for what the Rangers are chasing."
Stark says the Rangers have been aggressive on Bell, Adams, and Chad Qualls, as they look to do something to shore up the bullpen, which has a 4.48 ERA -- 26th among major league teams, Stark points out.
At this point, I'd be shocked if the Rangers didn't make a deal for a reliever, and probably mildly surprised if they didn't add a couple of bullpen arms before the trade deadline.
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Bell may not be desirable number one
But I think that move must be made to give this team a shot of confidence
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
by jonas m. on Jul 28, 2011 1:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
This is pretty dumb
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
Pretty dumb that they'd need a trade to get confidence?
Sure. But a side effect of any trade is the morality boost
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
by jonas m. on Jul 28, 2011 1:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Rangers: +5 good karma
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
Blah. *morale boost
Reading immanuel kant before moral philosophy class is messing with me
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
by jonas m. on Jul 28, 2011 1:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well in regards to the trade and moral philosophy
What is the driving Categorical Imperative that would push the Rangers beyond their Hume -like slave to passion notions. Clearly the fans are not rational actors and thereby cannot act on the autonomous rational will that Kant espouses as the driving force critical to rational agency and free of the constrictions and /or laws that bind it. Self governed reason drives the need for respect for Kant so in Kantian terms fans deserve no respect because they are irrational…
If knowledge is power, why does Stephen Hawking need batteries?
Next we should discuss Leviathan and Jon Daniels... this is fun!
If knowledge is power, why does Stephen Hawking need batteries?
Let's take a hedonistic utilitarian approach
and figure out what move is most pleasing while minimizing the pain of giving away prospects.
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
by jonas m. on Jul 28, 2011 4:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mostly the Must part
I don’t think our team really lacks confidence, except maybe our bullpen, and I’m not sure that this will help any of the relievers confidence.
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
I still think they will add 2 arms
one we will be pretty familiar the rumors for and one out of left field
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
That's where Im at, probably Bell or Adams and then someone else.
Dang this crappy bullpen for us having to give up our prospects like this.
Someone Else
Who would that someone else be? A situational guy like Choate or a guy who could come in regardless of the batter?
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 28, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
If they named it
Then it wouldn’t really be “out of left field” would it?
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
Names
I’m not so much interested in names per se. I just wanted to get a feel for how people here view the current bullpen. Two bullpen arms would be a nice addition. However, would you feel that JD didn’t best do his job if he comes away with a LOOGY? I’m not sure how I feel myself. I would have to sit down and stare at B-Ref for a while to see how the current Ranger bullpen is actually performing.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 28, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that one of the 2 will be a LOOGY.
I think he will bring in 2 guys that can get guys out from both sides of the plate.
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
well consider Rhodes is our worst rp and he's our designated LOOGY
it would seem getting another LHP back would be key if we’re getting two guys.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
I don't disagree
I just think that if we get a lefty back he will not be a Loogy, or if we do get a Loogy he will be a 3rd reliever acquired via trade.
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
Uehara?
Maybe one of the non-Bailey Oakland guys. Somebody who isn’t currently a closer.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
The more I think about him the more I'd like him
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
I'm just going to keep saying it until it catches on.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't Capt Kirk bang her?
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
He banged everyone.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
I'd like that
his swinging strike rate is right up there with Clippard’s, at over 17%. He’s ten years older, but for short term he’d be fine. Clippard is team -controlled through 2015, wow. Seems like they’d be asking a mint for that.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Yep.
Uehara just has the vesting option…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly dont know other teams like that...they seem to be eyeing every reliever lol..
There could be one mildly out of left field that the media doesnt seem too focused on. This pen really is a mess, if they can get two reliable ones, I see our aggressive FO doing so.
Choate
Please, JD, do not trade for that guy. His name sounds way too much like “chode.”
"Napoli batting regularly in Arlington will be the biggest explosion in the American Southwest since Robert Oppenheimer tested the Manahttan Project."
-- RevHaloFan
Just do it already.
BAHHHHHHHHHH
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I wonder what it would take to land Bell and Adams together...
Let’s go wild with guesses – Erlin + Borbon + Davis + Wieland/NeRa + a couple of distant position players?
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Stark's article says...
…a Ludwick/Adams package to Philly could go down.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
that makes a lot of sense for both sides
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
makes me sad....I wanted Adams here
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not.
Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
hmm.. I had expected Philly to get Ludwick
there have been many rumors along those lines on SD sports radio.
Adams to Philly is kind of big though; that’s and expensive package Philly would be buying…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
This is totally how I read that update
I think we want a package deal. Erlin, Davis, Brigham and Mendez.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Erlin alone probably isn't enough for Bell
And Adams, the Padres want more for than Bell.
So that wouldn’t work.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I don't really care
I’m just trying to get rid of him any way I can…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
JD has to make a move
if he wants to keep up with AA in the battle for most clever GM title.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yeah, whoever wins totally gets to be first through the lunch line at Winter meetings.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
No, he doesn't wait in line at all
the other GMs bring him their lunches.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
JD and AA
throwing ninja stars at each other and disappearing in a cloud of smoke after each throw.
Until JD gets that cool pen from the GEICO commercial
by elvis1isking on Jul 28, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
JD goes Ninja on him
JD- So it’s agreed. Davis, Rhodes and a 5th round pick for Adams and Bell.
AA- You promised to throw in the magic beans!!
JD- Oh right. I forgot (heh-heh)
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
I don't know, AA kind of wins that deal.
Trading two players he doesn’t have for Davis and a draft pick which isn’t allowed to be traded…
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
Crap....
I should read the post next time
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
KLaw on relievers...
And this week we will likely see a handful of relievers traded for something of actual value, even though history shows us that these deals don’t often work out.
That seems to be a cliche with deadline deals regardless of position.
When only one team gets the title, a lot of deals don’t pan out.
Que sera, sera.
He talks about spending big in the off season and trading for relievers.
But there’s one thing we can predict here: Reliever performances in short stretches will remain unpredictable, making acquiring them at high cost a bad strategy.
if relievers are unpredictable over short stretches
and prospects are unpredictable as well, then who is to say that it is a bad strategy?
I mean, overpaying for anything can be argued to be a bad strategy. But you’re exchanging one gamble for another when you flip a prospect for one. And the upside from a Bell – or whoever – acquisition is pretty useful for the Rangers.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
For the team getting the reliever
I’m sure
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
It also doesn't work out
to keep putting crappy arms you currently have out there in high leverage situations.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
correct.
Which is not to say teams shouldn’t acquire relievers in trade, but that they should pay less for them because of the higher risk.
Which is easier said than done.
right
I just think that warning about don’t pay for relievers (in dollars or prospects) is getting overstated now. Relievers as a group are rather unpredictable, but not all relievers are created equal and if you can significantly upgrade your team you weigh the costs and benefits just like any other trade.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Off the top of my head.
I can’t think of a deadline deal for a reliever or big contract that’s panned out really well. Kerry Wood last year I’m sure there are a lot more. The failures just stand out more.
big contracts are dumb
If you are signing a reliever to a 3 or 4 year deal for tens of millions, that’s just dumb. In the offseason you have many different options. Trades for relievers tend to be smaller deals and I think that, like reliever performance in games, we tend to remember the bad ones more than the so-so or good deals.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Define really well.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't have a good definition.
What are some deadline reliever deals that stand out as good to you?
Yea, it is a ton easier said than done
I’ve pretty much resigned myself to the fact that if we want to actually legitimately improve our pen by getting a quality proven RP, we’ll have to overpay in prospects, but then again, the marginal value gained may be worth it b/c it could be the difference in getting to the playoffs and WS.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
It's Adams, Bell is a smokescreen.
"I've got a Harden!"
by ghostofPeterGardere on Jul 28, 2011 1:40 PM CDT reply actions
Boston now wants Bedard.
Can we please have Felix?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
I want bedard
has ace like stuff.
by Agreen07 on Jul 28, 2011 1:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and felix doesn't?
is that where you’re going with this comment?
by elvis1isking on Jul 28, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Bedard isn't much of an upgrade from what we have.
Am I wrong? I just don’t see it
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not.
Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
when healthy
Bedard is better than every pitcher we have, imo.
by Agreen07 on Jul 28, 2011 2:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow
Couldn’t disagree more
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
by Bface on Jul 28, 2011 2:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Bedard is pretty awesome when he's healthy
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
He's a rent a player.
He has been hurt a lot. So it makes me wonder what it would take to get him. Would anyone consider it if we could do if for some low level prospects?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
do we know a healthy bedard
even exists anymore?
though if we could sign him in the offseason like Harden or Webb… it’d probably be a better bet that he’d be better than either of them.
With that said, I don’t see the point of giving up much in the way of prospects to get him.
by elvis1isking on Jul 28, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, I'm not saying Bedard is healthy or that he will be going forward
I’m simply saying that he is awesome, and probably better than any Rangers pitcher now if he’s healthy. Of course, Sandy Koufax would be better than any Rangers pitcher too if he weren’t so old…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Eh, CJ's been pretty good this year.
Maybe, but I don’t think it’s obvious.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
ummm......ok, I don't see it.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not.
Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Perhaps...
It is because you need Bill Bavasi Goggles (patent pending).
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 28, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
What a fat pussy.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I went to see Frisco play Midland on Tuesday
and I swear Midland did not have a single pitcher that was less than 200 lbs. Whoever has to stock that team buffet table is underpaid.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Helps them sell tickets.
…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Would you go outside at night in Detroit?
by Pocket Ninja on Jul 28, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
What kind of gun do i get?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
To catch fans after they get their unemployment checks but before they're drunk
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
I doubt there is anyone left there with benefits remaining.
That town is in bad shape.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Will the Rangers add a LHP to the pen?
I know you're still struggling to find your way in LSB but you'd probably feel more comfortable in one of the other threads that talks about
weather, fashion, video games, uniform colors, etc. . - Josey Wales 5/18/11
If they make the playoffs, yes.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm more concerned with acquiring good relievers at this point.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Conditional Trade
Alright everyone. Poke holes in my idea.
What do you think of making conditional trades for deadline deals like this? We all know that deadline deals tend to be made with a win now philosophy. What about offering a menu of players conditionally available depending on the team’s success at the end of the year.
Example:
Rangers get Heath Bell.
Padres get high-ceiling, low level prospect (say Mendez) and PTBNL
If Rangers win World Series, Padres get choice of the following: Martin Perez, Robbie Erlin, Neil Ramirez, Tanner Scheppers, Mike Olt, Joe Weiland, David Perez.
If Rangers win ALCS but lose world series, Padres get choice of the following: Robbie Erlin, Neil Ramirez, Tanner Scheppers, Mike Olt, Joe Weiland, David Perez.
if Rangers win ALDS but lose ALCS, Padres get choice of the following: Neil Ramirez, Tanner Scheppers, Mike Olt, Joe Weiland, David Perez.
If Rangers make playoffs but lose ALDS, Padres get choice of the following: Tanner Scheppers, Joe Weiland or David Perez.
If Rangers miss playoffs. Padres get choice of: Joe Weiland, David Perez.
Is that kind of deal even legal in MLB? What do you think?
Not sure if I'm being clear
They get to choose 1 of the following in each of those scenarios. That probably wasn’t clear.
That was abundantly clear
You are assuming JD is satisfied with the success of the World Series to give up more than what this player is valued at. Only fans think that.
I think it is evident by trading for a rental that they view it that way.
Why else trade for a 2 month rental? How do you view that?
I will admit my using the World Series as a qualifier is of my choosing. The conditional nature of this idea doesn’t have to be limited to World Series. It could be any way that the Rangers view success. Making the playoffs. Winning a series. Whatever.
Why would the Padres agree to it?
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
The possibility of a greater return.
My idea wasn’t perfect. I spent <5 minutes on it.
The idea is that the Rangers offer a greater return based on their success. If the Rangers win, Padres win too.
Including Martin Perez and Robbie Erlin as possibilities where they might not otherwise have received those guys.
I see what you're saying
I just don’t see why it has to be true of GM’s rationale. I accept it as a possibility, just not as a certainty.
The idea of a rental is to win now. For the GM trading for the rental why shouldn’t results after the trade matter? The results after the trade are directly related to the idea behind the trade.
Well
to a certain extent, results matter. Heath Bell’s results matter. So it would be nice to have some insurance against Heath Bell not pulling a Gagne. But he’s one part of a much larger team.
Being part of a much larger team.
This is why I actually like the conditional nature of the trade for the buyer. In the end the success of the trade, admitted guesswork on my part here, will be viewed by whether or not the team succeeded in the year of the rental. I doubt the trade will be considered a success if the team misses the playoffs. It can also protect them if the trade doesn’t make enough of an impact.
Doubt it's legal.
Don’t we have some lawyers in here?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
well, I suppose the PTNBL can stay between the Padres and Rangers...
that said, that’s a pretty big secret to keep, and my guess is that bad things would happen if it leaked…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
My concern is whether or not the conditional nature of the PTBNL is allowed by the CBA.
Menu options of players have happened before. See: Carl Everett trade. If you’re the Rangers you definitely want the conditional part of the PTBNL to be in the trade documents so that you are protected. No sense in hiding it from MLB.
No kidding.
Texas wins WS and suddenly ships a shitload of valuable prospects to SD. Move along. Nothing to see here!
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
LOL. Sorry Heebs.
Too tired to focus right now. Im going to drop this topic.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Better.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Yes, there are lawyers here but I doubt any feel like reading the entire CBA
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
What?
You don’t like reading the phone book?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
You could simplify this.
If the Rangers achieve X (Rangers definition of success), Padres get Erlin. if Rangers don’t achieve X, Padres get Wieland. Something like that.
you know
the way you maybe could structure the deal is say that the Rangers will give the Padres a list, and on November 1st, the Rangers get to remove 2 names from that list at their discretion.
Nolan and JD then say on a handshake deal that they won’t remove player Y from the list if the Rangers win the WS / AL whatever.
I think it’d have to be unofficial. But that sort of framework could work.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
You're better than this.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Just floating a wacky idea out there in dead space.
If the Rangers achieve X (Rangers definition of success), Padres get Erlin. if Rangers don’t achieve X, Padres get Wieland.
Why would something like that be so off-base?
Yes.
There’s an underlying assumption here that Heath Bell is going to be largely responsible for the result and that assumption is simply false.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
doesn't Heebs work for the Timberwolves?
I think he may just be bored.
End the lockout!! End the lockout!! End the lockout!!
And if you do Heebs (or whoever it is that does) I’m sorry man, hopefully they’ll get everything straighted out soon. I’m sure it’s tough right now…
by elvis1isking on Jul 28, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
My point behind this idea was the opposite of your assumption.
Buying Heath Bell doesn’t guarantee success. The team is hoping that Bell puts them over the top as a contender. Either way, the overall success of the team will not be measured by Bell’s results for better or for worse.
The conditional nature of the pick protects the buyer and could potentially reward the seller depending on the outcome. My idea was born out of my feeling that Bell won’t largely be responsible for the team’s overall success.
you work for an NBA team?
This trade does kind of feel like an NBA trade. Aren’t their draft pick trades often conditional?
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Yes to your first question.
No idea to your second. I’m a bean counter. My knowledge of the NBA and its rules is quite limited.
This explains the Kevin Love discussion...
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
This is a terrible idea
And it is exactly how you shouldn’t be viewing trades. The value of the trade is assessed when it happens, not based on what happens later, especially when the result may or may not have anything at all to do with the trade.
Just a terrible, terrible idea.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
don't tease yourself.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
It didn't take long for the tasteless comments
to start on that board.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Not the first time either
After the death in Arlington, Calcaterra had to make a post telling them to cut it out.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 28, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
This is part of negotiations
ScottMCBSSports Scott Miller
by Kinslerhomer
Sources: #Padres’ asking price on Bell too high for #Rangers. Talks continue. Stay tuned. #tradedeadline
but I could see how this deal doesn’t get done
We've been hearing for weeks that the price for RH relievers should be deflated because of the glut
But at this point all we still hear from the sellers is that they aren’t budging on price. None of them are getting moved yet.
I expect Saturday and Sunday they’ll start flying.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
I think some hope
that after one or two arms move they can command a higher price because some options are off the table. Or maybe they don’t want to be the first to make a move for fear of accepting too low a price.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
it is complicated because they have two of the best options
they don’t want to set the price low with one of them before they deal the other one.
For all we know, they have a trade in agreement for one, but they’re holding back acting on it until they deal the other…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Doesn't seem to be enough information asymmetry for a lot of deals to happen.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
well, there is no reason for the Padres to cut price early
I mean, what if Rivera or Papelbon gets injured tomorrow?
I do think that the Padres and Rangers have options – both have multiple assets, a match can be found; if the Padres really want Erlin and the Rangers don’t want to get Bell for him, the Rangers could possibly wring Adams out of them.
No reason to worry unless one or the other is dealt. At which point the stakes go up and the game of chicken begins.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Dang wth do they want, Perez/Profar I mean ugh..
Is this because everyone knows we need relievers so the sky is the limit? Glad to see JD isn’t desperate enough yet but i still expect us to get someone..
I almost guarantee it comes down to the Padres really wanting Robbie Erlin or
Mike olt or NeRam and the rangers wanting to deal Weiland/Mendez/Ross type guys in package than one of those higher guys for a RP>
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
yea that seems like the logical thought process
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not.
Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Oh come on Padres.
It worth it. We love you long time!
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
I say we call in a favor from the Eaton/A-Gon deal...
They owe us. Take a lesser prospect (or even two) and do the right thing, San Diego.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jul 28, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Padres
This is a chance to clear your guilty conscience.
So...
You’re the anti-Adam? by Brandon C. on Jun 16, 2011 3:46 PM CDT in response to Josey
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 28, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Now pitching for the Angels: David Purcey
Bases loaded after single, walk, walk. Bases loaded for Angels and Purcey pulled after starting next batter with a 2-0 count.
Thank you very much David Purcey.
Thanks a lot Detroit.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
yes, thank you David Purcey...
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I'm starting to worry a bit.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Is this conversation going to happen every day?
I wasn’t here for 2010, but I’m assuming people panicked then too.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
nah, people were simply wondering what to get each other for Cliffmas
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Lube.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
It's when we shift to Panicdome.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
I don't remember any panic
mostly angry at the financial situation
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 28, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
really?
there was plenty of panic
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Yeah I agree.
Last season was a whole lot easier than this one. Even before the trade the division was pretty much decided.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Quit worrying so much.
You can select multiple periods over a 162 game stretch that don’t go the way you want.
We were only 1 game up at the All Star Break. And lightning fast we went up by 4 games after the Angels dropped 3 of 4 to the A’s.
We were down by 2 games earlier in the year and then turned it around very quickly.
There are ebbs and flows… we still have TWO MONTHS of baseball… almost 60 games. The Rangers have a ton of talent… they will be in it all the way and I think they have the edge in talent.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
I can't hear you with my head in the oven.....
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
the weekly columns from Evan Grant
telling us how there was every reason in the world to expect a great collapse because, well this is the Rangers after all…
Damn that was annoying.
by elvis1isking on Jul 28, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
yay for dallas native
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Poking the fire
@Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Something #Rangers must consider as they ponder price for Heath Bell: #Angels also pursuing #Padres’ closer.
Driving price up.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
yawn
how droll, tony reagins. how droll
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
My hope is that JD has a deal worked out for Adams...
But has an agreement to hold on while they use the constant hints about the Rangers to push Reagins into overpaying for Bell.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
This would be marvelous.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jul 28, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I would love the Angels to pay big for Bell...
And have us get Uehera and/or Adams.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
here is how it goes down...
JD is on the phone with Hoyer. They’re talking about finalizing an Adams deal (per match…).
Hoyer: Hold on a sec, JD – looks like Tony Reagins is on the other line
JD: sure thing, Jed
Hoyer (to Reagins): Hey, what’s up?
Reagins: So… I saw a tweet that the Rangers are talking to you about Bell….
Hoyer: Maybe they are, maybe they aren’t…
Reagins: Well, we’d like to stop that if we can
Hoyer: It’ll be expensive – I mean… the Rangers have a lot of prospects
Reagins: Well… what about Vernon Wells? He’s a proven veteran
Hoyer: …
Reagins: Umm… well, we have this Trout kid, but no where to play him because of Vernon…
Hoyer: Yeah, he’s pretty good
Reagins: You think he’d be enough?
Hoyer: …
JD (listening in on the line) does his best Montgomery Burns impression…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
yeah
I see that as a positive that the Angels are in on Bell. Maybe we’ll ultimately end up with what may be a better option
by elvis1isking on Jul 28, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
somehow
the idea of the Angels getting Bell isn’t very scary. It’s not like there are zero other options for bullpen arms out there
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
word
nor do the angels have too many talented minor leaguers, unless they want to drastically overpay
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
pls have the Angels overpay for Bell
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not.
Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Can't have Bourjos and Trout! Give up Bourjos!
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Any chance we are still in first on August 4th?
"Feliz sucks." -LSJ 5-24-2011
This is trolling.
Get the fuck out.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
by Brad on Jul 28, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry I forgot.
The Angels don’t exist.
We are guaranteed a playoff spot.
The Angels don’t exist.
We are guaranteed a playoff spot.
The Angels don’t exist.
We are guaranteed a playoff spot.
The Angels don’t exist.
We are guaranteed a playoff spot.
"Feliz sucks." -LSJ 5-24-2011
Is there a chance? Yes.
Is there a chance this is a stupid fucking question?
Again, yes.
Honey Badger don't give a shit!
Any chance I'm still posting on LSB by Aug 4th?
/steel home
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not.
Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
by shock00 on Jul 28, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We're going to trade Torrealba.
[unlikely… just making stuff up]
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
maybe Wash didn't like the way
Martin bunted in those drills the other day.
“Go back down and learn to bunt. Didn’t you see that game where we won because of 3 straight bunts. That’s how baseball go!!”
by elvis1isking on Jul 28, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
My guess is Napoli/Young play 1B
Moreland to RF, Josh to CF (when Chavez isn’t playing obviously)
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
why woudl they call up Martin?
I’m in no hurry, he needs some more time in the minors.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Wash probably wants to DH Napoli and play MY at 3rd.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Fuck...
ScottMCBSSports Scott Miller
Heath Bell talks continue, #Rangers so far balk at high price:
too high
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
wrong one
DKnobler DKnobler
Per @ScottMCBSSports Padres asking Texas for 3 players for Heath Bell. Rangers balking for now. http://bit.ly/qHQvB
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
link fail
http://scott-miller.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270335/30948892
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
ughh they should balk..,..screw that price
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not.
Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
how about Jackson, Hankin and German
all are close to the majors :)
I know you're still struggling to find your way in LSB but you'd probably feel more comfortable in one of the other threads that talks about
weather, fashion, video games, uniform colors, etc. . - Josey Wales 5/18/11
Quit balking
It moves the runners up.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
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