Rosenthal: Houston, Philadelphia close on a Hunter Pence deal
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 29, 2011 12:05 PM CDT
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Per Ken Rosenthal, the Houston Astros and the Philadelphia Phillies continue to make progress towards a potential deal that would send outfielder Hunter Pence to the Phillies in exchange for a package that would include minor league pitcher Jarred Cosart and minor league first baseman Jonathan Singleton, with the teams apparently still haggling over the additional player, or players, going to Houston.
Cosart and Singleton both were in the 40s in Baseball America's midseason top 50 prospect list. Keith Law had Cosart #17 in his midseason top 50, and Singleton at #24.
I had suggested a couple of weeks ago that the price for the Rangers to acquire Pence would be something along the lines of Martin Perez, Cody Buckel, and Chris Davis, a price that most Rangers fans thought was way too steep. We still have to see what the other prospects in the deal would be, but it sounds like Philadelphia would be giving up a package pretty close in value to Perez/Buckel/Davis, particularly if you believe that Law has the Philly prospects pegged better than BA does.
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I could do Ramirez/Buckel/Davis.
Including Perez makes me flaccid.
I used to own Mickey Tettleton's couch.
Neither Ramirez nor Buckel are as good as either Cosart or Singleton
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 29, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats less than Perez, Buckel, Davis
Its more like Davis, Erlin, Mendez/Buckel
by SugarBritches on Jul 29, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Stupid Verboten Phillies
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
Good deal for the stros if this goes down
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Good to see the Astros actually being smart
While having them remain awful for the next decade would be fun if they end up in our division, I never like to see franchises (other than the M’s or hopefully the Angels) run into the ground for purpose of pure stubbornness.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
can
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
bah...
can D Brown play CF?
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#phillies might shop their prospects (even d. brown) to find fit with #astros for pence. hou wants pitching. #trade deadline
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Hmm.
We gots pitching prospects…
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
I would take him and send him back to AAA
and then start looking around at who offers what for any of the Rangers OF… then make best risk/reward behavior
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I wonder what prospect it would take?
Are we talking Perez?
Or Erlin/Wieland/Scheppers?
Im all over the trade a current outfielder (Murphy) bandwagon, but not at the expense of giving up a good SP for D. Brown.
by SugarBritches on Jul 29, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Brown
is generally regarded as a top-10 prospect in the game I believe, so probably talking about a Perez type pitcher if you’re making a 1-1 trade
Dominic Brown was never ranked in the top 10 before he was called up.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
My mistake, he absolutely was.
Before this season, he was #4.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Yay!!
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
Padres – Rangers are not making progress in Bell negotiations…..it’s a stand-off headed for the deadline
Don’t back down JD…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
JD at the last minute: "Well, fine, if you won't give us Bell for that, how about Adams?"
Padres: “Deal.”
[two minutes later]
Padres: “Wait, WHAT??”
DAANNNNNNIEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSS!!!!!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Ninja'd
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
Not worth it, JD.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
it is so weird that I'm the one hoping for a trade to happen...
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I had that poster!
…might have even gotten a duster for my birthday because of that poster….
If the Phillies get Pence
I don’t see a point in trading for a rental since the odds of Philly rolling over everyone in October are extremely good. I think we already have a decent shot of making the WS depending on the breaks, but beating that Philly lineup? Forget it. Better to try our luck with what we have in house, and keep our powder dry for next year and beyond.
I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I am all out of bubble gum.
Its a 7 game series
Anything can happen and I wouldn’t count on the Rangers or any playoff team not being able to take 4 out of 7 against the Phillies.
With that said, there is no need to make an all-in push this year.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
Agreed
There’s always a chance. But giving up serious talent for a two month player when you’ve got a juggernaut like that, not smart.
I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I am all out of bubble gum.
You're seriously underselling how good the Rangers are
relative to the rest of the sport. There is no team the equivalent of the Yankees at the peak of their dynasty or the 116 win Mariners. And oops.. that last team lost in the playoffs too.
The Rangers are in the top 4 or 5 teams in baseball talent-wise, and if/when they make the playoffs they’re going to be a very tough team to beat. They may not win any given series. But it won’t be because some team is unbeatable.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Just imagine if Endy Chavez manages to maintain his current pace into the playoffs
With Moreland coming back alive now, the Rangers would have no worse than an average player at each position and a lot of best in the league at each position.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
outside of Moreland / Howard and Chavez / Victorino
is there any position that the Rangers are clearly worse than the Phillies?
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
and Cliff Lee has the 8th highest offensive WAR in Philly...
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Rollins vs. Andrus maybe
if we’re just talking offense, but then when I check them out on Fangraphs, I see Rollins is at 4.4 runs offensively and at .6 runs for baserunning. Elvis is at -.8 runs offensively and 5.6 runs from baserunning.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
"that Philly lineup"?
it isn’t all that good… It is very much a middle of the pack lineup. Pence makes them better, but he isn’t exactly Barry Bonds either.
A Rangers Phillies matchup would be very good. The media would consider them favorites with their pitching, of course. But the Rangers bats far surpass theirs. And our rotation, while not as good, obviously, has the ability to shut down their lineup to the same extent as their rotation has to shut down ours.
All this trade does is make the Phillies more likely to win the NL. I think the AL Champ – who will either be Boston, Texas, or New York – will be the most likely to win
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Yup
Plus considering how Halladay and Lee have pitched at RBIA in their careers against the Rangers, I’d think we’d stand a chance
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
Rangers are now locked into 3 different bullpen pieces could be phone call away but they’re not waiting if they get a deal they like #TRADES
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I like this approach better
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
My guess
Bailey
Uehara
Adams
Bell is a red herring.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
Balfour
Uehara and Fuentes
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Fuentes makes me cringe
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not.
Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
we'll have to take his salary
to get Balfour
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
After 4 months of Arthur Rhodes you'd think you'd have built a tolerance.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
haha no joke
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not.
Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
now there's the ninja at work
three different lines in the water they like and just see who blinks first
herbster with the WTF retweet
T_Kaufmann Todd Kaufmann
by herbiepallotta
#Padres want Derek Holland and Jurickson Profar according to @XX1090 in San Diego
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
oh good god.....fuck the Padres.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not.
Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
for that price we better be getting Adams, Bell and the Ghost of AG
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not.
Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
How about instead
Hamilton, Ogando, and Feliz for Adams
For what? The city of San Diego?
That better be the trade. Otherwise, they’ve lost their collective fucking minds.
Honey Badger don't give a shit!
Damn they must sill be drunk from the trip to Tijuana last night
Fuck. That.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
"Holy God, I want to make out with that dong." - GhostofErikThompson (in response to a Nellie Cruz homer) 6/9/11
by TxStCa on Jul 29, 2011 2:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Padres may want the Yankees budget
but that doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
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