Barring trade, 2012 MILB Rotation (or why it's cool CD and Big Game were traded)
by rooster on Jul 31, 2011 7:59 AM CDT
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PrintSo, CD might go off for 30 HR some year. Hunter could post a 180 IP 3.9 ERA season. But, look at the trade ammo the Rangers have going into the offseason.
Round Rock: Old Man Hurley, Perez, Ramirez, mErlin, Wieland
Frisco: Loux, Grimm, Ross, MDLS, Bleier
MB: Bell, Jackson, Mendez, Buckel, Tepesch
Dads: Perez, Payano, Lamb, Williams, Thompson
Hard to guess the lower affiliate rotations. Even the upper levels are hard to predict. Rangers might prefer to have Scheppers in the AAA rotation. Maybe they will feel comfortable pushing Tepesch and Bell to AA. Font will be back, but he probably start in extended.
Nevertheless, plenty there to obtain untouchables like Kershaw or Felix.
Rangers: CJ, Ogando, Holland, Harrison, Feliz is looking stout as well.
Thanks for a great season Wieland and mErlin! Best of luck to you.
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You don't think Colby Lewis is in the rotation in 2012?
And you’re assuming we resign CJ?
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
that wouldn't be the case
if anything, Feliz would be the casualty and would still in the ‘pen under these circumstances. I think you have to let CJ walk. That’s why you build a farm system so you don’t have to continually sign players to expensive long-term contracts after their prime
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
and we have the deepest farm system as pitching goes
Perez could be ready for a callup next year along with Ramirez, Erlin or Weiland (if said players are still around at that point)
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
No.
They would keep Colby in hopes of a rebound and not resign CJ.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't get any of this discussion.
CJ is the better pitcher.
I forgot that Colby is under contract for 2012, but, still, CJ is pretty close to what the Rangers would’ve wanted to get at the deadline this year had they not had him.
4/65 for CJ
Next year’s rotation: CJ, Colby, Ogando, Holland, Feliz.
Harrison could net an impact bat, maybe Matt Kemp.
Rock the J2, JD!
You think 4/65 will sign CJ?
National guys are predicting 100m for him.
Colby is SUPER cheap next year. Like 3M. There’s no way he’s not in the rotation in 2012. If he’s healthy, he’ll be a starter.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Nobody, repeate NOBODY, is saying Colby is better than CJ.
It’s an issue of money. 4/65 isn’t going to be enough for the best pitcher on the market.
I’m not saying they won’t sign CJ; I think they’ll make a very honest real attempt at it. I’m just skeptical that they’ll be able to actually sign him.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
And I glossed right over Harrison netting Matt Kemp...
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
I mean,
I guess he is a FA after 2012, so maybe there’s some small reason to move him if they can’t extend him…but I imagine they think they’ll have the ownership situation resolved by then and will plan on keeping him a Dodger for his career.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the Dodgers are going to have to blow things apart and start from scratch.
The only guy they should consider building around is Kershaw. They need a serious influx of ML-ready talent, particularly in the rotation.
$100M for CJ is possible. Who knows.
5/80 or 5/85 with a sixth year option is OK for the Rangers.
Rock the J2, JD!
4/65 is delusional
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
didn't mean to pile on
I’m wondering how much he’ll end up costing and whether or not I think the Rangers should pay it.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
It won't be Cliff Lee money, so I think the Rangers should do what it takes.
4/65 is probably “insulting” but CJ is on the record that winning is most important. He has said he’s not looking only for the highest deal.
5/85 seems like a good way to keep him off the market and keep a 1A on the team.
It’s tricky, of course, with his age being 31, and I could see temptation to not go beyond 4 guaranteed years. Alot depends on what he has indicated to them is most important to him. Years, AAV, winning.
5/85 is pretty close to recent market value, but a bit longer than the Rangers are generally comfortable going. Sounds like a good target.
Rock the J2, JD!
He could go to a winning team like Philadelphia or NY and get more than 4/65.
Just abandon the point and concede that your number was wrong.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I remove my 4/65 from the record, your honor.
And I replace it with 5/85 with an option 6 year.
Rock the J2, JD!
Sign one of Wilson/Darvish, Lewis leaves as a FA after 2012
We might see Feliz back in the bullpen in 2012…
There is no point in signing Wilson
you have to let guys walk to give opportunities to your farm system.
We are going to need a lefty though next season.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Mainly because of the other options though.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't trust anybody here or in the media to know what Feliz's
mindset will be next spring.
BTW- Finally got into Spotify and I like it quite a bit. I have another Motown/soul-type group for you: Fitz and the Tantrums. Not as good as Saadiq or Musiq Soulchild, but not bad.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Heard them on 91.7 the other day, an ecclectic station that doesn't get enough pub up here.
I’ll go spotify the album.
Get ‘Music of My Mind’ by Stevie. Trust me.
Que sera, sera.
On it.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
You absolutely cannot go wrong w/ 70's Stevie
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
'Journey Through the Secret Life of Plants' is odd. For completists only.
Other than that, agreed. ‘Innervisions’ and ‘Talking Book’ are absolute masterpieces. ‘Music of Mind’ is too, Berry Gordy didn’t get it at the time. So no pub, or singles released. Marvin’s ’What’s Goin On?’ changed his perception of what could be commercially viable.
‘Fulfillingness’ First Finale’ and ‘Songs in the Key of Life’ are just a notch below the other 3, imo. Still great. SITKOL should probably have been shortened to 12 songs. You can really tell that Malcolm Cecil and Bob Margouleff weren’t manning the producer boards on that album.
Que sera, sera.
I was thinking Plants was 81 or so, but you're right
1979.
I would put SITKOL up there with the other 3, and FFF a notch below, like you said. Key of life is just such a fun album for me (“As” is my all time number one), it might be my favorite.
"Don't argue with an idiot (JW); people watching may not be able to tell
the difference."
Adam J Morris, halfassedly pretending to be interested in my thoughts, goals, and overall self esteem since late 2005.
I love 91.7
Lotsa local music on there
Yeah, well at least I'm housebroken.
Yeah, that's where I first heard the Flowers of God/Sarah Jaffe joint.
They probably followed it with some Stones or the Pretenders…
Que sera, sera.
Oh man
A live album from John Legend released in 2003 before he had released anything else. I love him live, so this perfect for me.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
DUDE
I linked them in an OT thread last week. Oh, my god. I love Fitz so much.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
I'm a Web & TV Sports Producer at WFAA. If you've got ideas of any kind, I would love for you to run them by me.
by Conjunction on Jul 31, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Spotify
How did you come into your invite?
I just put my email in today…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 31, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Just had to wait
Took 3-5 days.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
If he ends up with Philly I will kill
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
I don't see it.
Right, now I think it’s going to be something like Ogando, Colby, Harrison, Holland, Feliz with Feldman as the long man/6th starter. Depth for the year would go something like Hurley, Neil Ramirez, Martin Perez and maybe Erlin/Weiland.
That’s ridiculous depth. I thought the Rangers would try to consolidate the depth into a #2 type pitcher at the trade deadline this year, and while that hasn’t happened (yet), I think it’s looking likely that something like this happens this offseason.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
this seems the most realistic
and the best for our longterm plans. Committing big money to a SP might not be in the works considering we have to resign Hambone soon and decisions on Kinsler/Napoli so on.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Probably
No
Yes
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see how the Rangers DON'T commit big dollars to SP.
If they had designs on letting CJ go, they needed to bring in Ubaldo as a low-cost alternative.
They need CJ for the next few years, and they need to trade for someone better than CJ, either next offseason, or next ASB.
I think Hambone is the guy they let go when the decision for a long-term deal hits. The team’s priority seems to be run prevention. They’ve had a run of good luck in that they haven’t had to pay top dollar for that, but I don’t think their priorities change when it becomes the top-dollar component of the team.
I’m glad FACE is having one of his best seasons this year, and I totally want him to ratchet it up another notch for the stretch run, but I’m just as glad that FACE comes off the books after 2013, and maybe that will allow the Rangers just enough cash to keep Hambone around.
But, really, the Rangers don’t have much of a choice but to run in the red the next couple of years to remain the odds-on favorite in the West. When FACE is done, maybe that brings them back to break-even.
They could move Murphy to avoid his arbitration salary, but that only clears ~$2M. Maybe Yorvit can be traded this offseason?
Rock the J2, JD!
We'll make a big run for Darvish
If we don’t get Darvish, would the team rather resign CJ at huge money or go with Feliz? On one hand, it’s hard to imagine the Rangers letting Lee, Wilson, and Lewis go in consecutive seasons without signing any FA starters. It’s still hard to imagine the Rangers having so much pitching depth that we don’t have to sign a FA starter.
Tommy
Q: Anything else you’d like to add?
TH: Write this down: I’ll be an All-Star next year. I’ll be back in a position to where I’m pretty comfortable. And I don’t have any doubt in my mind that Chris Davis is going to be an absolute superstar. That kid is unbelievable. He’s going to play well.
Eh, it's fine.
You want players to have confidence in themselves and strive to be better.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
AAA All Star?
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Well the Orioles have to have a representative
So if Adam Jones and Matt Wieter get injured there’s always a chance!
Sure thing, Tommy.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Write this down: Tommy Hunter will be a long reliever and spot-starter next year.
Innovators look at the same thing as everyone else, yet see something different.
by K. Scott Bailey on Aug 1, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
What I find interesting about the Ubaldo deal...
The Red Sox and Yankees are desperate for a starter and the Rangers are always looking for a top end guy. And none of them were serious players on Ubaldo…
Cleveland may end up really regretting this deal.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Yeah, I can't decide.
It’s an interesting risk, at the very least, but I almost feel like the teams involved in the rumors say more than the prospects that ended up being involved.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Given how team friendly Ubaldo's contract is.
If you think he can actually perform like he did in the first part of 2010… you jump on it.
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
His contract is 'worth' it if he keeps pitching at this level.
I think it’s an issue of risk of blowup. If you’re Bos/NY/Tex right now, you feel good about your chances of making the playoffs and don’t need to take that risk. They probably feel safer taking the risks on their own prospects.
But if you’re Cle?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
true, plus a good Ubaldo + Masterson gives you a shot
in a playoff series
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Snap.
Braves get Bourn.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Heyman
The Braves acquired outfielder Michael Bourn from the Astros in exchange for four players.
Bourn, 28, is hitting .303 with 39 stolen bases this season. The Astros receive outfielder Jordan Schafer and minor-league pitchers Brett Oberholtzer, Paul Clemens and Juan Abreu.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
So...
My best guess for a comp [and it may be a shitty guess]
Borbon
Wieland
Ross
Grimm
"I'll text AJM a picture of my junk if he wants to use it" by ab03 on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
Yeah,
Schafer has been pretty underwhelming ever since getting called up to the majors after the short stint in AAA.
I’ve heard of Oberholtzer, but I don’t know much about the others.
A bit disappointing, really. I’d liked for JD to have beaten that…though I’m not sure the Astros would trade one of their stars to Texas.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Good, but not great, pitchers
Apparently 9, 26, and 27 on Atlanta’s rankings coming into 2011. Oberholzer’s a 23-year old lefty doing decently in AA, Clemens the same but 22 and a righty. Both profile as nothing more than back-end starters, although Clemens could be a late reliever. Abreu is 26 in AAA, striking people out but walking tons while serving up homers.
JD easily could’ve beaten that without even dipping into the Wieland/Erlin level of prospects. Have to think, though, that as GB said, Ed Wade doesn’t want to deal with Texas.
by Outworlder47 on Jul 31, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Wieland is probably better than the pitchers in there
Borbon at this point is still better than Schafer, he’s barely got a 600 OPS in AAA last two years.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
You love that guy a little too much.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
HeathBell21 Heath Bell
by TBrownYahoo
Sounds like I might be in the playoff race tomorrow…we will see! But I’m excited to see what happens. #tradedeadline
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
St. Louis is in the playoff race.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
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Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
#Yankees have checked in on Bell, but as of this morn Yanks and #Padres not opimistic there is common ground for trade
by Judy'sLewinsky on Jul 31, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
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