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Saturday morning Rangers stuff

Your Texas Rangers are the 2011 A.L. West Champions.  Holla!

Jeff Wilson's game story is less about the game and more about the Rangers celebrating winning the division for the second year in a row.

T.R. Sullivan's game story leads off with a quote from Elvis Andrus, who says that the Rangers are playing their best baseball right now.  Sullivan notes that the team is 14-6 in September, which makes it hard to argue with Andrus.

Anthony Andro writes about the Rangers' creative celebrations, which last night included Andrus doing a home run trot when the big board showed Oakland's David DeJesus homering off of Jered Weaver.

Richard Durrett has his post-game reactions at the ESPN Dallas blog.

Gil Lebreton has a column on the Rangers repeating.

Nolan Ryan says that this is a more balanced team than last year's club.

Jeff Caplan writes that Adrian Beltre, Mike Napoli and Michael Young, who created a triangle that led to Young demanding a trade this offseason, each had great years that contributed significantly to the Rangers' success.

The S-T's notes talk about the playoff outfield, which apparently will be Murphy/Hamilton/Cruz, and Alexi Ogando's role on the playoff staff, which will likely be in the bullpen.  

While I expect that lineup against RHPs in the playoffs, I'm curious as to whether we'll actually see that alignment against LHPs come October.  Murphy can't hit lefties -- he has a .208/.267/.226 line against lefties this season, and a career .252/.297/.348 line against LHPs.  Given that Craig Gentry has been okay with the bat this season, and the best defensive alignment in the outfield has Gentry in CF, I have to think he's going to start against any lefthanders the opposition roles out in the post-season.

Drew Davison writes that the Mark Lowe injury has complicated plans for the postseason roster, and that now Scott Feldman, Michael Kirkman, Darren O'Day, and Yoshinori Tateyama are vying for two spots in an 8 man bullpen.

Davison saying that the Rangers are going with an eight man post-season pen surprises me.  My assumption has been that they'd go with a five man bench, consisting of Craig Gentry, Endy Chavez, Andres Blanco, Yorvit Torrealba, and Matt Treanor.  Keeping the third catcher would allow the team to use both Torrealba and Napoli in the starting lineup against lefthanded pitchers.  A third catcher, in order to increase tactical flexibility, is going to be more valuable in a short series than an eight man bullpen, particularly when one of the eight men in the bullpen will be either Ogando or Colby Lewis, and two others will be from the Feldman/Kirkman/O'Day/Tateyama grab-bag. 

In fact, I expect we'll find out when the announcements come that they are going with a seven man bullpen, and only one of the Feldman/Kirkman/O'Day/Tateyama group sticks, likely either Kirkman or O'Day.

Andro writes that Ogando is ready to fill whatever role the Rangers want him to fill in the playoffs.

Sullivan's notes talk about the Lowe injury, Hamilton in CF, and Nelson Cruz at DH.

Davison writes that the Rangers have brought up Steve Buechele and Bobby Jones to help with the team over the final week of the season.

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lets make it all green baby!

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Sep 24, 2011 10:45 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

It really is something how well

the Beltre-Napoli-Young troika ended up working out. Stellar years from each, expensive but worth it.

Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin

by t ball on Sep 24, 2011 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Something to be said for flexibility in today's baseball economics.

Also, shows JD has learned how to have a firm hand. We all should we thank Buck and Soriano for that.

Rock the J2, JD!

by rooster on Sep 24, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, the Young thing was a sunk cost so that wasn't going to get any cheaper

since moving that contract wasn’t going to be easy. Napoli is amazingly worth his production, and Beltre, probably the best overall producer of the three, is the most expensive.

I’ll take it every day and twice on Sundays.

"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz

by AceJC on Sep 24, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

is there extended video of the celebration anywhere?

I haven’t been able to find anything but 20 sec clips

by deityofElvis on Sep 24, 2011 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MCdpKkzdNc

Rob Ryan: "I don’t know if we win all-hype team. That might have gone to someone else, but we’re going to beat their ass when we play them."

by TxSportsFan on Sep 24, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Go comb through last nights thread.

Lots of stuff in there.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Sep 24, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

No mention of Gentry's inside the park HR from yesterday?

"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio

by Gdawg on Sep 24, 2011 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Cantu last year

Gentry this year

by ab03 on Sep 24, 2011 11:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Im not sure who had beef with lewin,

was it nolan? or greenberg cuz I cant remember.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Sep 24, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nolan.

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by Conjunction on Sep 24, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

There were also some rumblings...

…that he wasn’t popular with the crew.

And of course, we know how the local media felt about him.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 24, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing like Lewin going

Doesn’t happen without Nolan at least allowing it, if not starting it. I lactualy like the fact that the Rangers don’t waste a lot of time when it comes to personnel moves. I know letting Thasby go midseasson was tough on everybody, but team first.

I was okay with Josh, but I know personally that older people almost universally didn’t like him. Josh mades a lot of pop references they didn’t get.

I’m happy with what we have now. Many teams have it so bad. We’re pretty luck. I don’t dislike Tag all, but I like Busby better as a color guy. I’ll bet Busby made some good $ back in the day, so I don’t know if he wants to do the 162 game grind.

Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?

by Buttermaker on Sep 24, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good day

For signs and chants at the ballpark.

by Neftali's arm on Sep 24, 2011 11:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Moreland is kinda fading away

I would be surprised if he gets any starts in the postseason.

by RangerMad on Sep 24, 2011 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

They'd have to start Torrealba at C against RHPs to sit Moreland

Or start Endy in CF and move Murphy or Cruz to DH.

Not sure either will happen.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 24, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which also means...

that they probably don’t need 3 catchers.

Torrealba isn’t going to play against RHP. When/if he starts behind the plate against a LHP then you start Napoli at 1B and sit Moreland.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they go to an 8 man ‘pen. Not that I like it, I doubt they’ll need someone like Feldman or Tateyama.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 24, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

You never NEED 3 catchers

It is a question of what gives you more tactical flexibility — having Treanor on the bench, or having Feldman or Tateyama or whoever in the bullpen.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 24, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Torrealba is going to play enough...

for that flexibility to really come into play though.

Again, not that I agree with it (I’d probably rather have the extra guy on the bench), I just think that Wash/Maddux are going to end up going with the extra arm in the ‘pen. I’m not too concerned with it either way.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 24, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

GOET already did in the previous thread

Worth checking out.

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

So do we know what the actual rotation will be?

CJ #1, and I presume Harry and Holland in some order after that?

Or will Lewis be #2?

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Sep 24, 2011 11:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I predict

CJ, Holland, Lewis, Harry

by RangerMad on Sep 24, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

No one knows.

Evan Grant and McLemore speculated that the top three starters would be CJ, Holland & Harry in the pregame.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Sep 24, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

We'll see.

It could be, but I think Holland ends up #2. Current rotation lines up for Colby to pitch game 2 on three days rest.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Sep 24, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dutch can't be fourth

you run the risk of being swept and not starting your second best SP.

by RangerMad on Sep 24, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see that that matters

As long as C.J. starts two games, it doesn’t matter how the other three in a five game set shake out.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 24, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!

by philkid3 on Sep 24, 2011 1:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I would flip out.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Sep 24, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe not flip out.

I would be angry.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Sep 24, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure what source it came from but...

CJ, Lewis, Matt and Holland in that order.

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Sep 24, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did Sullivan mention anything about Barden coming up?

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Sep 24, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I kinda want to see Feldmania in the pen...

To hedge against a quick hook for Colby or one of the young lefties. I don’t think they’ll use Ogando in a long man role, I think he’ll take Lowe’s role.

I also wouldn’t be shocked if Treanor isn’t on the post season roster and Napoli catches full time. For the past two weeks or so they’ve sat Torrealba vs lefties and had Murphy and Gentry (like last night). I think there’s a possibility that Torrealba is purely a backup for the playoffs. For his career, Veet has hit LHP better than Murphy (90 wRC+ to 68 wRC+).

But this year Torrealba’s been pretty shitty against LHP (69 wRC+). Murphy for the year has been even worse (34 wRC+), but in September against LHP, Murphy has put up a .375 / .385 / .458 in 26 PAs. Obviously a SSS… but Wash has shown he will ride a hot hand regardless of what people may think about it.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Sep 24, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Well... he can be in the lineup every day without catching every day.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Sep 24, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why not first base and Young DH?

That way if Yorvit is injured Nap moves behind the plate.

by Philar on Sep 24, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I also think Napoli is a better catcher then Torrealba

I think it comes down to who you would rather have in the lineup: Moreland or Torrealba.

by RangerMad on Sep 24, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I came into the season having a pretty high opinion of Yorvit's catching abilities

but have been pretty disappointing in his pitch selection. Napoli is definitely the better option behind the plate both offensively and defensively.

by MikeEl on Sep 24, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Face.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Sep 24, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Young.

With either Cruz or Murphy DH’ing

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Sep 24, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

So Gentry starts?

I’m not sure why you’d have Murphy DH against a LHP instead of having Torrealba behind the plate.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 24, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really can't get over the concept that one team can play dramatically better than another for 162 games. . .

. . . and we’ll use a one-game playoff to decide who gets in to the post season.

SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!

by philkid3 on Sep 24, 2011 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

well if there is a tie to be broken

it doesn’t seem like you can say one played dramatically better.

by bdavison94 on Sep 24, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not talking about a tie.

Talking about the seemingly-imminent change in playoff structure.

I’d be fine with RMs suggestion above, but I’d prefer it just stay the way it is.

SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!

by philkid3 on Sep 24, 2011 1:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Double checking something re: playoff matchups

For all practical purposes now the question is whether Detroit or the Rangers have the better record. Winner of that gets the Red Sox at home loser plays in NY correct?

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Sep 24, 2011 11:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Sep 24, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

And Detroit has the tie breaker.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Sep 24, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Sep 24, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I feel confident no matter who the Rangers play.

After Sabathia, NY’s SP is meh. Boston is in a freefall. Detroit might be the team that concerns me the most.

by RangerMad on Sep 24, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about Nova?

Hes a pretty decent pitcher and garcia

by Steve B on Sep 24, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just like Phil Hughes

Heavy is the head that eats the crayons...
LSB-Come for the baseball, stay for the Dirkatron raping!
"He’s a Ranger, we’re Rangers." -bigtill2002

by bdk03a on Sep 24, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just because he doesnt

strike out a lot of people doesnt mean hes not good.

by Steve B on Sep 24, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I do not want to play the majority of a series in Comerica.

We have to get home field over them.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Sep 24, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's the one thing I hope doesn't happen

For some reason the Rangers just do not play well there

by MikeEl on Sep 24, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, that would mean the Rangers won their ALDS

Worse things in the world.

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Sep 24, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Feldman and O'Day for those two spots.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Sep 24, 2011 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

And no one has less than the rangers 18

On run victories in all of mlb. They should have a much better record overall :).

by RabbMD on Sep 24, 2011 11:59 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Lineup...
German, Chavez, Murphy, Young, Moreland, Treanor, Martin, Gentry, Blanco

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Sep 24, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Tomorrow will have a full line up for Fan Appreciation Day.

They’ll pull them throughout the game so everyone can give them a standing O.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Sep 24, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So this is reverse fan appreciation?

Actually, I’m thinking Wash is giving these guys a home start as sort of a thank you. It wouldn’t surprise me if several of these guys are subbed out during the game depending on how the game is going.

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Sep 24, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

He said last night in the post game interview that he didn't care about anything but making sure everybody was healthy...

So I’m pretty sure he’s gonna rest everybody from here on out.

"high five for destroying that bunk bed with the sex"-TideNtexas

by bigtill2002 on Sep 24, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

No - he said he wanted to win as many games as possible AND get people healthy

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Sep 24, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Winning being the afterthought...

I really don’t see what the problem is here.

"high five for destroying that bunk bed with the sex"-TideNtexas

by bigtill2002 on Sep 24, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not..........good

What happened to trying to win as many games as possible Wash? Not to be defeatist but I guess if you got roll out a crap lineup, doing it for a day game following a night one against Felix probably isn’t the worst idea in the history of everything.

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Sep 24, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

We are still playing the Mariners and they do still have to score some runs for Felix

Ogando’s last start of the season should be enough to get them to the win. That and another Gentry inside the parker…

by MikeEl on Sep 24, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt hitting 6th. LMAO

And its still better than Seattle’s.

by mizzou918 on Sep 24, 2011 12:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

DAT KING LEONYS.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Sep 24, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

MARTIN!

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Sep 24, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the best lineup ever

Even knowing that the Rangers were going to rest people, I had no idea they could put together a lineup this awful.

by ab03 on Sep 24, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you want to know the best part about this?

The Rangers are going to beat the M’s 1-0 on a walk off MY home run in the bottom of the 10th against Brandon League.

"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz

by AceJC on Sep 24, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Martin.

Gentry in RF.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Sep 24, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Off to the tailgate and see two AAA lineups face off against each other.

Go Rangers!

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Sep 24, 2011 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Our AAA lineup is 100000x better than Seattles best.

I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)

by Gay For Feliz on Sep 24, 2011 1:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

September is the new April

HOF

Stoops is my daddy. OU 23 - FSU 13

by Jobu. on Sep 24, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Teixeira WAR: 3.9

Elvis WAR: 4.2
Harry WAR: 3.8

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Sep 24, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that fWAR or bWAR?

I ask because I want to tweet this info.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 24, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

fangraphs

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Sep 24, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you can get it in under 140: add in Feliz's 0.7 WAR,

and don’t forget to note that the salary for that trio of Rangers is approximately $21 million less than the $22.5 million the Yankees are paying Teixeira.

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is under 140, I think:

Teixeira: 71 wRC+ in September, 3.9 fWAR overall. Andrus (4.2), Harrison (3.8), Feliz (0.7): 8.7 fWAR, $21 million less expensive

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh.

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

This reply makes me laugh:
Great deal for TX, but in fairness, Teixeira has been very good seasons since trade from TX. 21.6 rWAR over last ~4.5 seasons

Right. That’d be great and all, except during that time, Feliz has 5 bWAR, Harrison 2.7, and Andrus 7.8, which is a total of 15.5 — and you’d add 0.4 more for Saltalamacchia, during his time with Texas. So the difference? 5.7 bWAR at a cost of $79.5 million, if I’ve done my math right.

In what year do you think 1 bWAR will be worth nearly $14 million?

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ack. Forgot to subtract the Rangers' guys salaries.

So: only $13 million per bWAR.

I’m not saying this is the Truth, but if we’re going to get into it this way…

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is cost relevant?

Yankees gave him the contract not the Braves.

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Sep 24, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was crazy talk back then

I’m glad Tex said no

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Sep 24, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean, even if you think a 6-year, $100 million deal

would’ve kept him with Texas through 2013… that’s still a $15 dollar difference between that salary for 2011 and the amount the Rangers are paying Harrison, Andrus, and Feliz. And, of course, they have those guys for more than the next two seasons.

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

*$15 million, rather

dollar

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The bWAR comparison is good, too.

Teixeira: 2.0

Harrison: 3.7
Andrus: 3.5
Feliz: 1.6
Total: 8.8

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow

I should have used that one…

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Sep 24, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

HARRY!

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

yet people still say Holland is the team's 2nd best starter...

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Sep 24, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do they?

Hmmmm.

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

at least one person did up above...

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Sep 24, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

The two guys are so close...

Holland’s K%-BB% is slightly better, but not as much as you might think if you looked at it per nine instead of per batter faced…

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harry has been consistent this year

but Holland is the better pitcher right now.

by RangerMad on Sep 24, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

in sept

holland era 1.63 fip 3.38 xfip 3.10
harrison era 2.92 fip 2.86 xfip 3.45

by RangerMad on Sep 24, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

So Harrison has the edge in FIP, Holland in xFIP.

Holland’s .200 BABIP during September is worth pointing out, but so is his big edge in K-BB.

Holland can definitely be more overpowering, but overall, I don’t think there’s a clear case that he’s the better pitcher right now. It’s arguable.

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

my take

is that Holland has the higher ceiling and thus probably the brighter future. But this year, Harrison has been more reliable – at least in the sense that is important for the playoffs. If Harry doesn’t have it, he doesn’t fall apart spectacularly, it is pretty obvious from the get go. Bad Harry can just be quickly switched out with Feldman or Ogando or whoever the longman is in the bullpen.

In contrast, bad Holland is far worse than bad Harry (just like good Holland is better). If bad Holland shows up, the game may not be salvageable…

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Sep 24, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't agree with the last part

and I think Harrison was lucky not to give up the lead last night.

I also don’t know that any pitcher “can just be quickly switched out” fast enough.

by ab03 on Sep 24, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

perhaps

we really shouldn’t be ranking pitchers based on the quality of their failures anyway. They’ve both been good far more than bad this year, and in whatever order will probably be a stronger 2/3 combination than any other team in the AL playoffs has

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Sep 24, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Sep 24, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

My hope that he is, Snark!

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Sep 24, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now and forever.

But seriously, unless Colby gets right, I think Holland is our second-best option on any given day.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Sep 24, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK.

I guess barring a clear-cut difference in how Harrison or Holland match up against a certain team, I don’t see the basis for forming a strong preference on which starts a given game right now.

Based on what we’re seeing this season, I’m slightly more optimistic about Holland’s future than Harrison’s. But right now? For me, it’s a toss-up.

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can understand the thinking.

I do not like, however, the insistence by Wash that Colby starts game 2. I don’t think that’s supported by how they’ve performed this season or how they are likely to perform in the playoffs.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Sep 24, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith

by Darth Snark on Sep 24, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best. Trade. Ever.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 24, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

So freaking awesome.

I remember my brother-in-law bitching about getting minor league players back, and I was trying to explain it to him and wasn’t having much success. He was being so silly.

"We're going back." Ian Kinsler

by Melanie on Sep 24, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heres what you do now..

“Hey, remember when you were being stupid and didn’t listen to me about what we got in the Teixeira trade?….aha, good times!”

Not changing my signature until Hechavarria is promoted to the big leagues.
[Funny phrase about how few followers I have on Twitter]

by Joey Kirby on Sep 24, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Believe it or not

Tex is having another season where he won’t reach 40 HRs.

"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio

by Gdawg on Sep 24, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

remember when we wanted Wash fired?

I no longer cringe when I listen to his interviews.

by RangerMad on Sep 24, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pumped for Martin to start.

I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)

by Gay For Feliz on Sep 24, 2011 1:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Wait until next year

For now, be content with a Hamburger

I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing

by chrisR on Sep 24, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure he is talking about leonys

The snozberries taste like snozberries!!

by Chrom on Sep 24, 2011 1:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I always forget the new guy.

I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing

by chrisR on Sep 24, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

GO TO CBS RIGHT NOW!!

the TBS crew will discuss the Texas Rangers on their show!! should be coming on around 1.45pm

by pinoyintegrity on Sep 24, 2011 1:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Came to Animal Kingdom to run some errands.

Just walked by a little girl in a Murphy shirsey. First of those I’ve seen.

Also saw my first Elvis a few nights ago.

SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!

by philkid3 on Sep 24, 2011 1:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

This is important info to me as well

"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan

by red3biggs on Sep 24, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Treanor apparently.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Sep 24, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could mean no Chavez

OF (4): Cruz, Hamilton, Murphy, Gentry
IF (6): Moreland, Young, Kinsler, Andrus, Beltre, Blanco
C (3): Napoli, Torreabla, Treanor

Really, there’s no room for Chavez anyways.

by cstorm15 on Sep 24, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is Blanco's role?

You want the extra infielder over the extra OFer or extra C?

Seems like a toss up

by ab03 on Sep 24, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Moreland would be the 5th OF

and Blanco is there in case of injury to… I don’t want to say his name.

by RangerMad on Sep 24, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing Harrison will be the #3 starter

since he’s in line to pitch the finale on Wednesday (and game 3 is on Monday)

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Sep 24, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

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