Discuss with Josey the Angels, Mike Napoli, Vernon Wells, etc.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 29, 2011 12:35 PM CDT
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PrintToo many threads of late are devolving into arguments with Josey, as he continues to hard-headedly insist that the Angels had a great offseason, made a brilliant move in acquiring Vernon Wells for Mike Napoli and Juan Rivera, and generally praising the work of the Angels front office.
So, here's the new rule: Josey cannot discuss the Angels in any FanPost, front page post, or other thread but this one.
Other people cannot ask Josey about the Angels or bait him about their offseason in any post but this one.
The discussion of the Angels' 2010-11 offseason, their 2011-12 offseason, their improvement this year, the Haren trade...
All that needs to be confined to this thread.
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"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Misplaced Angst
Does anyone seriously think Napoli would have hit .300 in LA?
Does anyone seriously thing Wells would have had to fight the Mendoza line in Toronto? How would he have fared in the culture of hitting in Texas? He actually was a GREAT acquisition by the Angels. They just didn’t provide the environment that would have been conducive for him to succeed.
Same with Torii Hunter. Down year.
Tony Reagins made masterful acquisitions over the past few years. But, the environment in which he placed those players didn’t lead to excellence at the plate. He shouldn’t have left – Hatcher is the one who should have left.
As soon as the Rangers realized their hitting coach was suppressing their hitting excellence, they let him go – no matter he was a bud of the manager – and brought in someone who promoted their kind of hitting culture.
Scioscia isn’t so much worried about his hitting. He was a catcher. He’s all about pitching. Hitting doesn’t win championships. What he doesn’t realize, lack of hitting will lose them.
Scioscia is a great manager. He’s proven that. But, he needs someone with the authority to tell him to fire his cronies who are holding the team back. We have that in Texas. They don’t in LA.
If at first you don't succeed, try the outfield! -- Ed
If only there was a way of isolating offensive performance outside of ballpark effects...
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
This is becoming a joke.
Who am I kidding. It’s been a joke for quite some time now.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
by AceJC on Sep 29, 2011 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 20 recs
I guess I have been away too much to not notice how this has come about...
ohh never mind.. I still have the troll script installed…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I don't know that there's much of an argument...they not only had a better record this year but they also signed Jeff Weaver
to a long term deal a year before he hit free agency.
Mano a mano the trade of V Wells for Napoli & Rivera wasn’t good because Wells STBF but on the other hand, it hasn’t crippled the franchise or made them a worse team.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Doesn't it hurt them going forward?
Just because of Trout? I guess one of Hunter or Wells could DH
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 12:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Abreu will be there next year.
His $9.5m option vested.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
yeah, I know
They could use him as a pinch hitter. I think they would sit him before they would Hunter or Wells. Of course, I think they send Trout down
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by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 12:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Very interesting off-season.
I don’t know if Moreno is mad at Sosh & TR / about to fire somebody to appease an obviously pissed off fan base (team was better but attendance was off by a thousand or so).
I’d expect Trout & Bourjos to play with Hunter in the OF…maybe Wells / Hunter split DH/OF duty. If that happens, what if Morales comes back healthy? What about Trumbo?
Do they trade one of their front line starters for something good and make a huge run at CJ?
They have a lot on their off-season plate.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
There has been talk of Trumbo at third
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by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 1:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Seriously?
I thought he had sloth-like tendencies.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I have read it on HH
Nothing substantial
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by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 1:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Morales is cursed...
….I would be very surprised if they started moving Trumbo around to account for a wildcard like Morales
The lurker/poster formally known as "ncrangerfan." I don't live in Hickory anymore....
by Midnight Sun on Sep 29, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Bourjos + a minor league pitcher
For David Wright
I don’t think it’s a great longterm deal for the Halos, but they have Trout to play in CF, and they are stuck with Wells, Hunter and Abreu next season.
Wright gives them the RH’ed thunder they were looking for when they decided Adrian wasn’t worth the extra $3M, and it’d be a 2-year contract, which has to be seen as more favorable than committing more years to A. Ramirez
I hope they sign Ramirez
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by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 4:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Part of me wants that too
As he’s 33, not great, and not likely to get better
But I think selling high on Bourjos and getting the younger, better Wright with a shorter term contract is the better move
I don't want them making the better move
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by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 8:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
wells
hunter has been one of the best defensive OF in baseball this last year i think
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Wells is a 4th OF or splits DH with Abreu.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I just have a hard time believing that they platoon Wells next year.
I think they give him at least one more year.
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by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 1:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Let's hope.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 29, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
They seem to be a proud organization
I don’t think they will admit defeat for at least another season
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by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 1:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and get paid how much for the right to do that?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Everything that needs to be said has over and over.
But we all know that if JD had traded for a guy that cost as much Vernon Wells and put up his production you would roast him. Especially if the guy we gave up went on to have the year Napoli did… and hell… Juan Rivera had a better year than Wells.
You would demand JD be fired if he did that. You’d cite Wells OBP every single day and try and set LSB on fire with rage.
You nit pick signing a 3B that had the best year for a Rangers 3B since Buddy Bell. He put up better numbers than Hamilton.
You’re reduced to complaining about him missing 37 games due to injury and in the next breath will bitch that you’re afraid we won’t be able to give $120 million to Josh… who while a very good player isn’t Jesus Christ and is FAR more injury prone and only two years younger.
I’m just glad we have a front office that improves the team in meaningful ways. All the Angels did was soak up some service time for young players and give themselves an unprotected pick in FA. Big round of applause there.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Sep 29, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 14 recs
Was their record better this year than last year? Did they sign Weaver?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Tell me you wouldn't rip JD if the Rangers did what the Angels did.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I probably would and I've come down from the fence and said it was a bad trade.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
How wise your baseball analysis is
Way to take your time on that one when the rest of the baseball world instantly knew it was the worst trade in years.
Well, it's also complete bullshit from AJM that I still say
…"made a brilliant move in acquiring Vernon Wells for Mike Napoli and Juan Rivera "
It wasn’t a good trade given Wells production this year. The contract didn’t keep them from signing Weaver.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
But couldn't it be a problem for them going forward?
Haren and Santana won’t be cheap.
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by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 1:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It could be but they also have Kazmir / GMJ coming off the books
this year (that’s what, $ 25 million?) and Hunter & Abreu (another $ 25 million I think) off the books after 2012.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
True
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 1:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's why I don't think they're eternally fucked by the Wells Contract.
These are smart people and they must have thought this through…plus they signed Weaver.
They must feel the new core for the team are the Big Three in the rotation plus Bourjos, Trout and perhaps Morales if healthy or Trumbo if he’s not.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
agree on the big three and Bourjos and Trout
But I have a hard time believing Morales will be anything close to what he was and Trumbo looks like Chris Davis 2.0
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by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 1:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
When Morales plays again, we can see how he is.
As of right now, he’s a guy who hasn’t played in over a year and a half.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
didn't he also only really have one good season? season and a half?
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by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 1:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The would have come off the books completely
But now with Wells salary entrenched for years to come and weavers salary increasing, plus harens salary increasing, as well as all their other arb guys it completely eats up that money.
Plus, now we get to see how long Arte will be willing to fork over 130+ million dollars a year for non-playoff teams. Everyone labeled him a great owner willing to spend when the Angels were going to the playoffs every year but now that its been 2 straight years you have to wonder how long he will keep up this level of payroll.
Having the Wells contract on their books as opposed to not is going to significantly affect their player movements. To argue otherwise is stupid
Yea, but ...
They are going to have to poney up for Kendrick and Aybar pretty soon, unless they have replacements in the high minors
And 3B needs some $ attention too
And oh my gosh, do they need some arms for that bully …
Lots of money coming off, but lots of things to spend it on … sounds like the typical American family budget
penny pinching Angels
something held them back on the extra $3M for Adrian – hard to say what it was, maybe they didn’t like the player as much as we did – but that doesn’t speak to your point about having plenty of cash on hand
Also...
If the Rangers made the Wells trade and finished in second place, you would not accept “the record is better”. You would talk about the missed opportunity to win This Thing because of the anchor dead weight of Wells .250 OBP and that Napoli was killing it for our rival.
You would think “the record is better” was bullshit. Just like you’re saying that Rangers fans shouldn’t accept just going to the playoffs. You’d see the missed opportunity more than you would an unrelated improvement in record to win 86 games and be mediocre.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Sep 29, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ranger fans shouldn't just accept going to the playoffs this year and be happy.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
And Angels fans should accept second place and a 5 game improvement over last year?
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
no answer?
come on JW
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, it was 6 games and they were in contention thru mid-September
as opposed to falling out of contention in early August the year previous.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
so..
And Angels fans should accept second place and a5six game improvement over last year?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
They should probably feel how Rangers fans felt after 2009.
A better team than the year previous, going in the right direction and stocked with nice young talent but not good enough right now.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Except we didn't have a $140 million dollar payroll in 2009.
And we had a MUCH better farm system.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
They have close to $ 50 million coming off the books by 2012.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
My point is that it's more disappointing than 2009 was for Rangers fans.
We were dealing with a small payroll and had good hope based on our great farm system.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think most of us had the Angels slotted for close to
a .500 record and I wanna say Vegas had them at 85 wins or so.
I think they did what was expected, maybe a little better.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
What's that say about your front office...
When with a $140m payroll you are expecting a .500 record and have a shitty farm system to boot?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
They were in a bad spot after 2009 (roster construction).
Their best players were also their oldest players.
I thought this year was a good pivot for them but they’re not where they want to be.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
THEY ARE STILL IN A BAD SPOT
you do understand that they have hunter, abreu, wells under contract going forward and that their best young players are both OF — right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
wait by 2012?
in 2012 they have exactly 9 players under contract.
and actually the rangers have 60 million coming off the books by 2013 — SO THERE
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
do you think with the money coming off the books they make a big push for Pujols or Fielder?
The only thing they really lack is offense. And bullpen but that can be fixed
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by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 2:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Seems like it'd be a good fit but what do you do with Morales or Trumbo if that happens?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That would be perfect
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by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 2:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
trade one of them
Those kinds of things have ways of working themselves out. I don’t expect much from either of those going forward. Morales can not get healthy and Trumbo can’t take a walk
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by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 2:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
& also trumbo isnt that good
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
still no answer
just FYI, “stocked with young talent” is a load of shit
off the top of your head how many of their position players that played the most games at any position were under the age of 25?
how about pitchers that started games under that age?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Trout, Bourjos, Trumbo, Conger, Walden, Chatwood all got their feet wet...hell, soaked this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
except all of 2 of those players are actually rather good players/prospects
trout and walden.
chatwood is a back of the rotation guy at best…4.69 k/9, 4.50 bb/9. give me a break.
conger is an all bat guy who had a 73 wRC+ this year
burjos is a legit very, very good defensive CF but is not a 112 wRC+ guy (22%K vs 5%BB, had a 100 point jump in BABIP) — is he a solid player — he should be in the rather good bucket if he is actually a 100 wRC+ guy…but i am not sure if he is…
trumbo had a 106 wRC+ season this year. 4.4 bb%, ~21% k%. if he is a 100 wRC+ guy ( +/- 10 points) i am really happy. because that is not very good in the AL for a 1B man, much less one on a team that has very deep pockets.
still have no answer to if they should accept 2nd place
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rangers fans had an elite farm system with plenty of <30 year old guys throughout the roster
to look to carry the team in the following year. They also had one of the lower payrolls in the league with only one big contract. The Angels have multiple big contracts, no farm system, and outside of a couple of guys, all of their players or 30 or older.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
come on JW
should they accept second place?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 30, 2011 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably in the way Rangers fans accepted what happened in 2009.
It’s not where they ultimately want to be but they’re moving in the right direction…lots of young players and pitchers received significant time and they also have a lot of money coming off the payroll.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
so yes or no?
its a simple question with an even more simple answer
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 30, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
yes. or. no.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 30, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, they should accept it but not be satisfied with it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
"Eternal pessimist" ?
I think we’re going to win the World Series this year.
Try again.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Sep 30, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
So bold
Pessimistic most of the offseason, but now that we’ve finished with the best looking team in baseball, you’ve seen the light
I was worried when they were 44-41 and then leery
until JD finally fixed the motherfucking bullpenis.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You still think JD, in your words, fucked this offseason...
With the Beltre and Napoli signings?
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
What quote are you referencing?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I remember you posting over and over...
That JD had a poor offseason. Is that not true? Am I the only one remembering this?
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
You're not the only one.
You’re like the opposite of the only one who remembers this.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
You never answered Ben's question
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Irony. You has it.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Also, I answered Ben's question.
I don’t have what you wrote copied down like some people do. And I’m not going to paraphrase it either. There’s a reason it was deleted.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
And JD didn't just fix the bullpen...
He actually turned it into a strength, when most GMs would do just enough to make sure it wasn’t a weakness. And that’s not even addressing the GMs that stand pat (angels).
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
wait, didnt you think the rangers wouldnt win the division?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 30, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I didn't think they'd win the AL West
back in March.
Bullpen was in shambles and they were very dependent on starters (Harry, Holland, Ogando) without a sustained track record of success.
I said if they went at least 14-12 on The Death March they’d win the AL West (they went 15-11). It was some time during the Death March (probably the late August series v the Angels) that I signed off on them winning it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Nope...
Ranger fans probably accepted 09 because of our previous playoff failures and low expectations. Talk to any Angel fan and see if they’re content with their performance this year.
Plus if, like you said, they were making a commitment to young players, they wouldn’t have blown their wad on Vernon Wells. They would have brought Trout up earlier.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
None of us will be happy if the playoffs end quickly.
But, it won’t change the facts that this regular season was special, and our front office has done a terrific job.
The window is closing for the Angels
They have a couple of young talented players for the future, but Weaver, Santana, Haren, and Kendrick aren’t going to be young forever. Their farm system is pretty weak and they have a lot of money tied up in Wells over the next few years.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
Doesn't mean the Wells trade made them better.
"Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor."-Capote
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning."-JD
Did I say that?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
No, I really didn't.
Said I was on the fence with the trade when it was made.
I also said I respected the track records of Sosh & TR when it came to knowing what they needed to do when it came to making their team better.
Their team was better in 2011 than it was in 2010.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
ALL HAIL VERNON WELLS
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Nothing like
being on the fence about something. You wait all season to finally say that it was not a good move, after you watch his joke of a season and then form your opinion. You cite how the team was not good with Haren half the year last year, so those few more wins this year could not have been due to the fact he was there a full year. You’re just a pussy that did not want to make a decision earlier in the year. You wanted so badly for this trade to work out for the Angels so you could do nothing but trash JD, so you stuck to your ridiculous reasoning. Now the season is over and they finished 10 games back, the race was over in September, the media just wanted you to believe otherwise.
That trade didn't work out but the Angels cleared the way to give lots of
playing time to young kids plus their FO also got rid of dysfunction within The Room.
They thought 85-90 wins would put them in a pennant race and give them a chance at the AL West. They were right.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I wonder how much dysfunction...
Watching Napoli hit four bombs in two games and the Rangers crowd chanting his name in the playoffs will cause.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The dysfunction was erased when Rivera left.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
wait, you think it was one guy?
lolwut
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Oct 3, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
They were right...........
10 games out of first, a valiant effort.
You're a master of post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
Vernon Wells played on the Angels’ team in 2011. The Angels had a better record in 2011 than 2010. Therefore, Vernon Wells was somehow responsible for that improvement in record…
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
i love how you are all about record
weaver was a fucking awesome deal for the team
but as good as the weaver deal, if they sign weaver and haren to that kind of deal they are still losers long term because of how much they pay vernon wells into forever.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think they try to defer some of the Wells contract?
Like the Dodgers did with Jones? I know he would have to ok it
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 1:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wells for Lackey
Who says no
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
probably the angels
Boston might do it considering Drew will be gone
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 1:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Boston.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 29, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
you think so?
He is owed less money so I could see it
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 4:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 29, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
why do you think the angels would do it?
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 5:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
like bobby bonilla you mean?
why would wells agree to defer it?
getting PAID
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't andruw do it also?
Wells might if he thought it would help alleviate the pressure. I can’t imagine what it must feel like to be him. Even with all the money
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 1:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
he did it when he signed the deal i believe
it was part of his orig deal w/ LAD
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
this was on his wiki
During the 2009 off-season, the Dodgers reached an agreement with Jones to trade or release him before spring training in exchange for a deferral of some of the remaining money due on his contract
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 2:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
hmm guess not
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Your name is now fence post
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
by t ball on Sep 29, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What does any of that have to do with Vernon Wells?
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
You know what?
Nevermind. I don’t care.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
by TXHC on Sep 29, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They did sign Weaver
But I think you’re confused on which one. Just another example that you’re just talking out of your ass to continue the “influence”?
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
As another nugget...
You were “on the fence” on the trade for Wells by the Angels… you wanted to see how it would play out.
Yet you immediately bashed the trade of Frankie for Napoli as “One trade too many”. Stating that it put the bullpen in shambles for a part time player. No fence sitting there…
Of course now you’ve come around on Napoli… hindsight is great.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I came around on Napoli around June 1 (may have been a month later)...said he should catch 75% of our games from that point.
I didn’t know what to do with him when he was hitting .183 in late May.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You should have taken your own advice...
“OBP almost never lies”.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I said (around late May) when he was hitting .183 that I didn't know what
to think about him because there were no major league players who had hit .180 somesuch with that kind of OBP / Slug% who had more than what 350-400 plate appearances.
I wasn’t ripping Napoli then and it was because of his OPS.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Napoli didn't have 350-400 PAs
Next time, when everyone is telling you its SSS and that one or the other is likely to change as the season goes on, you should shut up and listen.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
Mark Teixeira hit 39 more bombs this year and sits at 314 HRs for his career.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Wasn't he on pace to hit 55 HRs or something like that?
Funny how a HOF player hit .248 in his year 31 year and has seen his OPS lower for a 4th straight season. But I’m sure he’ll age gracefully, and manage to average over 30 HRs over the next 5 or 6 years to get to 500 HRs.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
and finished with an OPS
nearly 60 points lower than Adrian Beltre.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
by t ball on Sep 29, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 12 recs
Josey has a predictable pattern
1) JW hates on the move because JD made it
2) See that LSB is making very good arguments to the contrary
3) Continue trolling anyway
4) When there is no longer any room to sustain the argument because the numbers are impossible to ignore, simple say “I came around after I saw player did X.”
[Meanwhile, X is exactly what LSB had shown the entire time would happen]
5) Deny ever being wrong because he came around when he saw the stats were X.
by Jobu. on Sep 29, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
It's our fault, Jobu.
Apparently we should just let somebody post inane falsehoods and arrogantly idiotic things and not respond, for we would be to blame.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 29, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
yessir
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty fucking much this.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
xx
“Nice to see you’re capable of posting without using numbers and formulas as a crutch.”-by Josey Wales on Nov 14, 2010 12:42 PM CST
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you mean Math Tree.
I’m pretty sure that was one of his strangely capitalized phrases.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
They added Wells, they lost Napoli
“it hasn’t crippled the franchise or made them a worse team.”
Seriously, that’s trolling. Someone who’s never followed baseball could figure out that the trade made them worse.
his logic fail is that he's saying
they were a better team than last year, but it’s easy to see that they are a worse team from what they could have been if they did not make that trade.
all semantics
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
They were 28-33 with Haren, Napoli, Rivera last year.
That wasn’t their fault but Sosh & TR thought they needed to remake their team.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
They were also 28-33 last year with Jered Weaver
I can’t believe they resigned that sack of shit long term.
28-33!!!
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
by AceJC on Sep 29, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
it hasnt crippled them
…yet.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Any team that signs Jeff Weaver is in trouble
Jered Weaver is a good signing for LAA. Jeff Weaver wasn’t such a good pitcher for LAA, though.
by Inkara1 on Sep 29, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you were an Angels fan..
I highly doubt you would take solace that their record was better. This is a team that owned this division before last year, has a World Series ring, money to spend in the offseason, and expectations just as high as Texas. Go on HH and see if their fans are satisfied with this season after losing Napoli to us, being outbid on Beltre by us, and not improving their team at the trade deadline.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
I didn't take solace in the Rangers record being better in 2009 (because there were some things the FO could have done to win the AL West that year)
but I was happy that the organization was moving in the right direction and away from the incompetence that had plagued us for several years.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
The Angels could have done something to win the AL West last year
And it was obvious.
Biggest hole: 3b, offensive C
Biggest non-need: an aged, expensive OF with a low OBP
by Jobu. on Sep 30, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They were so damn close to catching us at the trade deadline...
As an Angels fan, how could you not be enraged to sit idle while the team you’re chasing grabs 3 really, really good bullpen pieces?
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
trainwreck.jpg
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
Awesome.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Adam built a bridge for The Troll to live under. Swell move Mr. Morris!
Life is pain - we've got to scrape the joy from it every chance we get.
by jshcmp on Sep 29, 2011 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
We're going to need more dynamite.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 29, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Ahahaha...
Daddy says go to your room Ass Antlers.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
This is not a post angling for a new moderator at LSB,
but why create this thread instead of just eliminating the problem?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
If you'd notice above, the chromaster and myself are having a very good and reasonable
discussion on the Angels right now.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
so 2 people out of the how many in the thread?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I could get really ugly in here but I'm sticking to my guns and staying on message.
It’s others that are flinging debris…if you disagree, kindly point out where I’m throwing debris.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Personally...
I’m fine with baseball talk when it doesn’t get personal… no matter how much I disagree with it… everyone can have an opinion.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
As opposed to many others, I haven't been ugly to anybody in here.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Is this including in deleted comments?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
by K.S.B. on Oct 3, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you going to answer this, JW?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Let me know where you see the ugliness from me in this thread.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
In other words, no, you're not going to answer my question.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I don't see any ugliness from me in here, do you?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I believe he's referring to the anti-semitic remarks you have made in the past
that had to be deleted. You know, the ones that you weren’t sorry about making.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
The remarks I said about how much I admired how
Jewish people have become so successful in our country and how they’ve found a way to survive…even thrive in Israel?
Sure, individually you’ll find assholes (you will find that with individuals from any race or religion) out there but collectively, I have nothing but admiration for them.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Its fine if you want to just ignore the original post as it had to be deleted
but we all know how you really feel.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
It's not like I wished cancer on somebody in here
or harm to their children.
There’s somebody in here going thru an awful time because his baby son may be in real trouble. My heart goes out to him because everything about that is hell.
Wishing cancer on somebody or harm to their children (or clapping your hands like a seal when somebody else does it) isn’t funny when it really happens…just ask anybody in here who has watched a loved one die from cancer or had a sick child. It’s awful and much more offensive than a joke about motherfucking matza ball soup.
If somebody told me Adrian Beltre jammed enough Irish Whiskey up my ass on Tuesday to get every one of my uncles drunk for a year, I wouldn’t call that person racist or pout.
No, I’d laugh.
If somebody like you thinks what I said was anti-Semitic or that I have in the past or still discriminate against Jews…go fuck yourself…it’s not true.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Adrian Beltre
jammed enough irish whiskey up your ass on Thursday over the course of the entire season to get every one of your uncles drunk for a year.
:)
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Oct 6, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Well played.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You going to LBK for the Aggie game
Or staying here for ALCS 1/2?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Oct 7, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Staying in DFW and will be watching both game.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
you do not live in the real world.
do we need to re-link you again to the convo, or are you just completely unable to read and comprehend anything?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
What you wrote was anti-semitic.
I don’t know whether you have in the past or still discriminate against Jews, but the fact that you wrote anti-semitic things on this blog IS true, whether you tell me to go fuck myself or not.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Some people have it saved, and can email it to you if you really want to know.
I don’t have it saved, so I can’t.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Don't bring my son into this you asshole.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
by Aqua on Oct 13, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're not having a good discussion
You’re getting anally abused by every single person who knows a thing about baseball and chooses to engage in a discussion with you. The funny thing to me is that I truly believe that you’re sitting there thinking that you’re winning. I have just recently accepted that people like this really do exist.
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
Did the Angels win more games in 2010 than 2011? Yes.
Were they still contending for the AL West thru mid September? 3.5 games out on September 15…the answer would appear to be yes.
Did the V Wells Contract keep them from signing Weaver? No, they signed their Boras-repped ace more than a year before he hit free agency.
I sure hope we sign CJ.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Sep 30, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Replying to a question with a stupid question
Rather than an answer is being a pussy and trying to claw your way out of a mess. Be a man and admit you were 100% wrong about that deal, 100% wrong about JD, and 100% wrong about nearly everything that comes out of your mouth.
Who cares if they were contending, they had one of the best 1-3 starters in the majors and were nearly gifted the wildcard. The problem with you is it’s so obviously that you argue just to argue b/c you argue both sides of the same crap. When it comes ot the Danks/McCarthy deal and many other trades, you say that you don’t care about the logic, you only care about the results. Yet when it comes to this trade, you try to defend it by saying that it didn’t cripple the team, they were better this year, and if Wells didn’t STBF it would’ve been a great move.
All you have to do is read HH for 5 min, read any national writer who knows a thing about baseball, or listen to the 500 people in here that have shown their vastly superior intellect relative to yourself and you would realize just how insanely idiotic you sound. The best thing that you could do is admit that you’re completely wrong, that this whole thing has just been a trolling bit that you thought would be fun, and apologize for being such an ass clown for the past several years and change. B/c ultimately I do think that you are capable of bringing a lot to the table, but like Tom Grieve you’re kind of a waste or years of experience b/c you bring mostly nothing.
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
Why would I admit I was wrong when the Angels had a better record in 2011 than in 2010?
If the V Wells Contract was supposed to hamstring the team going forward, how could they sign Weaver?
I’ll admit when I’m wrong but this is a time when I was clearly right.
I said last year that I respected the track records of Sosh & TR and that I’m going to wait until the season is over to render judgment on their work in the off-season.
Yeah, the Wells Trade was a disaster but their team is better this year than it was last year and that contract didn’t keep the Angels from signing Weaver.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Sep 30, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
So you think you're right
because you can ignore the question you were asked, and instead ask yourself your own question and answer “yes” afterwards, that you’ve won?
I was right - the Angels were better in 2011 than they were in 2010.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
And now Tony Reagins has been run out of town for his stellar roster construction.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
That's good for the Rangers...TR is a good GM.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
?
No, not really. He rode the coattails of the club Bill Stoneman put together. He also benefited from a time when his AL West opponents were retooling. He was a far cry from Stoneman and I wish he would stick around a lot longer. It’s almost a certainty that their next GM will be smarter.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
?
Just check the standings, tball
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
ITS THE ONLY ARGUMENT HE NEEDS, SHAWN.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Oct 3, 2011 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The standings say the Rangers are in first place again
and the Angels needed Napoli a lot more than Wells.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
no bill stoneman is a good GM
TR is not
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
TR was GM of team that won 100, 97, 80 and 86 games.
He let Vladdy, Figgins and Lackey walk…all good decisions.
Traded OCabrera for John Garland.
Signed DOliver as free agent.
Traded for Tex (who was a 2 month monster) at the deadline.
Signed Bobby Abreu on the cheap in 2009 and won the AL West because of it.
Also traded for Haren.
Get this…signed Jered Weaver, represented by Scott Boras, to a club-friendly extension more than a year before he hit free agency.
His track record suggests he was a good GM and as a Rangers fan, I’m glad he’s gone.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
so jerry jones is a great GM
i mean they DID win the super bowl in 96, right?
if TR was so good, why is he gone?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"Great GM" ? No, I said TR was a good gm.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Yet he hasn't got within ten wins of the Rangers for two years now
What does that say of the Rangers’ GM then?
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
So that's the bar you use to evaluate a GM?
The Angels finished 21 games ahead of the Rangers in 2008 and 10 games ahead of them in 2009.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I would say that's a trend that might display the difference in skill between the two
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
And then 10 games back of them in both of the past 2 seasons.
The Rangers have improved every year since JD has been here.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
He's certainly in the top ten for best unemployed GMs out there.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He's still with the Angels, 'stick.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
TR didn't re-sign?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Dammit Ryan. This one actually is resign.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Oh I see... he remains as a special assistant.
They just took away the keys from him.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Sacrificial lamb to appease the fans.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
so even worse really
i see zero chance he is there under a new GM.
if he is that is a horrible management syle.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Oct 3, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
is steve phillips on that list?
typically there are not that many “good” unemployed GMs that are out there. they end up back in the business fairly quickly — see kevin towers. fired from the padres, special assistant for yankees, back to AZ
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Oct 3, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
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"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Oct 3, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you really this unaware?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Its the same thing he did with the Davis/Blalock talk
Josey will never get banned nor even reprimanded. He’s under AJM’s Umbrella of Protection.
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
I'm the one having a rational discussion with chromaster.
It’s others who are flinging debris….I said I’ve come down from the fence and admitted it was a bad trade.
That trade, to date, has not eternally fucked their team. They have a better record and signed Jeff Weaver.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Who said it would eternally fuck them?
There is no doubt that their financial flexibility has been hampered by it, no matter if they decide to retain their ace on team-friendly terms or not.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
And I'm sure the Angels organization and fans are so happy
that they have a worse draft pick and 60 million dollars of dead weight instead of Napoli all for a better record in 2011 and Jered Weaver’s useless brother (seriously, his name is Jered not Jeff, how has your amazing memory not figured this out yet).
"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio
so because they screwed the pooch but got lucky w/ weaver
it was a good swap?
wait, what?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
This is what I don't understand.
What the hell does Weaver have to do with anything?
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Good hell...
you’ve flung debris for years on this site and now you want to curl up in a corner and cry about how others are doing it to you.
You’re only on your best behavior in this thread because daddy pulled your pants down and whipped your ass with his belt.
You’re not the victim here. You’re a tool.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 29, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Go fap into another bottle
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I thought that was RF
"Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor."-Capote
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning."-JD
I can't stop laughing at the mental image of this post
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
This might be the first time
I’ve ever agreed with the annoying Ute guy.
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
Why do you keep saying Jeff Weaver?
I understand that they are both pitchers and look similar, but it’s really not that hard to diffrentiate between the two for a number of reasons. C’mon Wales, you’re better than this.
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
No, he's not.
C’mon Wales, you’re better than this.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Trading for a terrible contract has nothing to do with re-signing Weaver.
He wanted to stay there. I have no idea why you insist the two belong in the same sentence, much less the same thread.
i would *love* to see the response to this
mainly because i am wondering the exact same thing.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
You still think drafting Sean Lee was a disaster?
by TooLegitToQuit on Sep 29, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope.
Happy to be wrong about that, though I still question the price of moving up. He looks like a boss, but let’s not forget he has an injury prone tag that he’s going to have to work to overcome still.
I still disagree with the lack of OL [and DL] picks in the top 3 rounds of the draft…especially given all the cuts they made this year.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 29, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Because it isn't a "problem" when it's in a vacuum
It can be a decent debate even if a guy at one podium needs a cork on his fork. Just doesn’t have to be in every post.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
Because it's a joke.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I also wonder why the best that Anthopolis could fetch for Napoli was Frankie.
A lot of this doesn’t make sense….why would Sosh send Napoli away for a player with THAT contract when he needed offense and why would Napoli’s value be somebody like Frankie?
And then Napoli turns around and has a monster season for Texas.
Makes me wonder if he had a “lifestyle change.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I think it was Wash not smothering him and telling him what a fuck up he is every day.
That is right in Wash’s wheel house.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Very possible but Sosh didn't properly value Napoli and neither did Anthopolis.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
wait, you are just now coming to this?
no fucking shit he was improperly valued.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
He was improperly valued by Sosh, Anthopolis and by Wash (played in only
38 games the first two months of this season) for a while.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
so the fact that he was correctly valued
and played over his head isnt an option?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell... Wash didn't either.
No one expected him to be a full time starter. No one here really did. It just became very obvious very quickly that he was pretty damn good.
But… the Angels had him for a long time in their system. They had the best opportunity find out what he really is and they screwed up.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I am not sure AA knew what he had.
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 2:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
wait, do you really think he is THIS good?
napoli clearly played over his head this year, cutting k%, upping BB%, career high BABIP, career high FB/HR%, etc
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
c'mon
Isn’t “lifestyle change” conjecture on your part? Lets not go that far. Didn’t he change personal hitting coaches?
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 2:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
of course it is
napoli clearly played over his head this year (being serious)
is he good? yes.
he he a 180 wRC+ player? no
unless roids also gave him a better eye at the plate and kept him from swinging at bad pitches (it doesnt, see Gonzalez, Juan) tha tis.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 29, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he did too
I still don’t see him as a .300 hitter. More .260ish.
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 2:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Pure conjecture and not an accusation because I've never heard that with Napoli.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I figured out the Sosh/Napoli conundrum yesterday
Ever notice who kicked Sosh’s catching career to the curb at the young age of 33?
Granted, Sosh’s age 33 season wasn’t great, but how could a guy with his kind of baseball IQ not be a back up somewhere
Sosh watched a young player with no ability to catch but a lot of ability to hit HRs take his job, and it’s now rooted in his mind that big sluggers have no future as catchers. End of story.
by CO Ranger on Sep 29, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Piazza?
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 4:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep
And I’ll admit, trollilng Halo’s Heaven gave me the idea
But I think that Sosh’s experience basically getting kicked out of his job for a guy who get HRs at a prodigious rate but who could do next to nothing else required of a catcher was part of the problem in his relationship with Napoli
He sees guys who hit HRs as something other than catchers – period
by CO Ranger on Sep 29, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Adrian Beltre is the AL Player of the Month for September.
Glad it was for us, not Anaheim.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
by Aqua on Sep 29, 2011 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
truth......thanks Reagins !
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Probably on Moreno
He loves those deadlines and short deals
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 3:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Arte said it was the length of the contract
Thats why he liked the Wells deal. One less year!!! (maybe two)
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 4:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But they offered $77M over 5
And we offered $80 over 5, with a conditional 6th based on plate appearances and him continuing to be a valuable contributor
From all the reports out of Gammons and such, doesn’t it seem pretty likely that if the Angels had matched the 5-year offer, they’d have gotten him?
I think he wanted that sixth year even if it was conditional
Do you think if the only difference was 3 million that he would have turned the angels down?
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Sep 29, 2011 5:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
going off other reports
The Angels made their classic, take-it-or-leave-it offer, and allowed the Rangers to come over the top with a few extra dollars and a conditional extra year.
So maybe it wasn’t just the $3M, but they handled it less-than-effectively and didn’t get it done, and the money wasn’t much diff’t …
Has anyone thrown the theory out there that Josey may very well indeed be RevHaloFan in disguise?
Just a thought.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Sep 29, 2011 4:26 PM CDT reply actions
When did you start caring that Josey trashes your site?
Few things odder than that someone would put what I assume was a bunch of effort into building a site that I assume he puts a lot of pride in, and then let a single individual degrade about 15-20% of that site’s overall value and potential.
Or did SBNation go to a pay-per-post metric?
by jay_84 on Sep 29, 2011 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 9 recs
He didn't put a bunch of effort into building it. It kind've just fell in his lap.
We all know why Josey is still allowed to start all the trouble and basically say whatever he wants without punishment.. I let that cat out of the bag some time back.
But we aren’t allowed to talk about it.. so watch what you hint at!
"Look if you want a journalist hire a UT grad. If you want a doctor you pick a Baylor grad. If you need a vet you see an Aggie grad. And if you need a pizza you call a Tech grad." -BUBacker
Jerome "undead" Williams
Jerome Williams was dead in baseball, and the Angles dug him up, what do you think of his future? Where will the Angels dig this year?
Wrong thread?
I’m confused. Who cares about Jerome Williams and his mediocrity. Do you really want Josey’s opinion on him? Who cares.
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
Isn't it sad that we have to do this?
I mean, this is an extremely intelligent forum full of well-rounded, interesting, and thoughtful people…
… and one guy we have to make a special thread for.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Perfect picture for this thread.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
"Holy God, I want to make out with that dong." - GhostofErikThompson (in response to a Nellie Cruz homer) 6/9/11
You guys are dumb as hell about this Josey bullshit.
Trolls will be trolls.
by kchorton on Sep 30, 2011 11:48 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Awesome
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Ive become impressed with LSB
I thoroughly expected a very messy discussion about the angels, with trash talking abound. The last few times ive come here though its been nice. I appreciate our rivalry and hope to establish mutual respect between our teams. I certainly dont wish for a Red Sox Yankees rivalry in the AL West. Im rooting for you guys to smash the tigers, good luck tonight.
And Josey, youre an idiot.
1. We signed Jered Weaver, not Jeff Weaver.
2. Vernon Wells was the worst trade ever committed by the Angels. EVER. Not only does he severely inhibit our ability to land a marque FA for the next 4 years, he blocks baseballs number 1 prospect from blossoming in the league. He is terrible with the bat and glove. Were it not for VW, it wouldnt be inconceivable for the Angels to sign two big names this off season.. Were that to be Reyes, Fielder, Pujols, Wilson(sorry, I really like him. I want him most of all. If we fail to sign him, which we will, I hope he stays in Texas. I dont know your consensus on CC but I hope you sign him. Lets power down the Yankees.) any of those would put us in great shape. Thanks to VW, One of those names might be difficult to get.
3. TR is the worst GM out there. The only trade he really scored on was the Tex deal back in 08. The Haren deal is good as of now, but could turn out to be a loss if Skaggs and Corbin turn out to be as projected. This is especially true if we cant utilize Haren n the Playoffs. Every other trade seems to have a net loss or no gain. Bad GM.
4. As much as the VW trade hurt, trading Napoli hurt more. He is an excellent catcher and might have put us in the Postseason if he were still an angel.
/Halos2011champs
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Oct 15, 2011 3:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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