Rangers announce non-roster invitees, and Mendonca moving to catcher
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 10, 2012 5:21 PM CST
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Richard Durrett has a list of the Rangers' non-roster invitees to spring training, a list highlighted by pitchers Robbie Ross and Tanner Scheppers and third baseman Mike Olt.
However, the most intriguing item in Durrett's story is the news that 2009 second rounder Tommy Mendonca will be getting an invitation to camp as a catcher.
Mendonca, selected out of Fresno State University as a third baseman, has played third base exclusively (other than one game at second base with Bakersfield) as a professional. Mendonca had a disastrous year in 2010, posting a 722 OPS in the hitter-friendly Cal League, and while he had a solid bounce-back campaign in 2011 at AA Frisco, putting up a .278/.335/.492 line, his contact issues (he had 160 Ks in 556 plate appearances last year) make him a fringe prospect, at best, as a third baseman.
Mendonca's defense at third base has garnered praise, however, and if he can make the transition behind the plate, it lowers the offensive threshold he would have to meet in order to keep moving up the ladder. It will be interesting to see how this experiment works this year.
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That's actually not that intriguing at all.
Go Robbie Ross!
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do we want a guy that has never caught before working with our young prospects?
or does it not matter?
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 10, 2012 5:24 PM CST reply actions
What is your reasoning there?
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 10, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
They need bodies in camp.
And how much time do you think Mendonca would spend with any one pitcher anyways?
It doesn't matter
Coaches are around most of the time anyway
This. Your A and AA ball catchers aren't going to have much of an impact, if any, on the development of your A and AA ball arms. That's a matter for the pitching coach.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Tell that to Bull Durham
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Position switch
usually equals last chance with the org. Interesting to see how this goes.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 10, 2012 5:27 PM CST reply actions
Might be the only way they salvage anything of value from Mendonca,
no matter what laundry he’s wearing.
Also, I’d be interested to read how this fits into a “don’t worry about how the bat plays for the position” take on prospects…
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Wow, if Mendonca does well behind the plate
he might move into my top 50 Rangers prospects.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Look out Villaneuva! He's right on your tails!
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
That's just mean
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
A catcher with .200 ISO
Isn’t a bad thing
No idea if he has what it takes to stick at the position, but …
Struck out 29 percent of the time, walked 6 percent of the time at AA.
What makes you think that .214 ISO will bear out in the majors?
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That "C" by his name on the lineup card instead of "3B"
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Oh, right!
Because learning to be a catcher will do nothing but help his performance at the plate!
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If he strikes out 29 percent of the time...
…he’s going to be lucky to hit .200.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 10, 2012 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
33% in AA
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And his defensive reputation was sterling, right?
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Oh indeed.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Teagarden's career minor league K rate
was…29%. 14% BB rate.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
The walk rate is the key
Teagarden walked a lot, struck out a lot.
Mendonca strikes out a lot and doesn’t walk.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 10, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
Plus, Mendonca has to learn how to catch.
And in addition to the challenge that presents in and of itself, there are those who think it has an impact on performance at the plate, right?
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yep to both of the above posts
this is a long shot, worth a try, I guess.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
sounds like someone else we know...
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Taylor Teagarden
had ISOs in that range in some of his minor league seasons and a stellar defensive reputation and it wasn’t enough.
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Jorge Posada
was converted to catcher. Posada. Medonca? I could see this working.
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So was Carlos Santana!
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Carlos Santana is probably going to be converted back
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btho Iowa State
The Chris Davis move that Chris Davis never made.
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The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Actually, Young is demanding a trade now
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My baseball weenie is so limp.
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Play with it
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
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by boomer1 on Jan 10, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
would be neat if it works
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btho Iowa State
From T.R.
The Rangers’ need for left-handed relief could open up a spot for top Minor League prospects Robbie Ross and Martin Perez this spring. General manager Jon Daniels acknowledged that it’s something the Rangers could consider in Spring Training.
“Both Ross and Perez are going to work as starters, but you never know,” Daniels said. “We have people who believe they can start long term, but as we’ve seen, we’ve had success with guys getting experience in the bullpen and moving to the rotation. They are going to work as starters, but if that’s where we have the biggest need, we’ll look at it.”
If they put MPer in the pen just because we Ron wants a LHP in the pen I’ll murder people.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm just going to take it as a sign of how far both guys have come in the last several months.
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No need to take the Johan comp that far.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Our need for a Lefty is really minimal
with the current arms in our ’pen, and especially if Ogando does in fact go to the ’pen. Our lefty would be reserved for what…matchups in the 6th inning and maybe the 7th on days where Adams, Uehara, and Ogando are unavailable.
it is highly unlikely that either of those guys breaks camp with the team. Ross has very few innings above A+, and MP could use some more seasoning as a starter AAA.
The only thing JD spewed there was politician talk. “yadda, yadda, yadda”
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I disagree
I think you need one, and preferably two, lefties in the pen.
That said, I think it is extremely unlikely Perez or Ross is that guy.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 10, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
why?
with the way Ogando, Uehara and Adams can get lefties out, why would you need two lefties in the ‘pen? I’d rather have the best arms I can get than force a 2nd lefty in the ’pen.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
this is also assuming Nathan is the closer
and the other 3 handle the 7th and 8th.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Where are you getting this idea that Ogando is a guy who can get lefties out?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
sure lefties hit a bit better
but when you can throw 97, you can get lefties out, and Ogando can do that out of the ‘pen. As a reliever, he can be dominant. I don’t see the issue there
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
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"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I'm not saying he is a lefty specialist
so you are going to use Ogando to pitch solely to righties? I don’t think so, and he can get lefties out. He’s not as lights out as he is against righties, but he isn’t as bad as you want to make him sound. He faced lefties for 99.1 innings of his 169 innings last year. He BB less lefties than he did rightes but did give up a .253 avg (.278 BABIP) vs a .199 (.251 BABIP) for righties. He Ks a bit less, but his K/BB was not that far off. His 4.12 FIP vs lefties as a starter isn’t great, but that is as a starter, and where most of the sample comes from.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I don't understand why...
…if you have, say, Prince Fielder coming to the plate to lead off an inning, and its the 8th inning of a one run game, you’d go with Ogando rather than a lefthanded reliever (assuming the lefty is a decent lefty reliever).
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 10, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
And that's what we're talking about.
The place where we absolutely have to get that 1 lefty out. That’s what we don’t have at this moment.
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Kirkman.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN.
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by Snark on Jan 10, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Adams and Uehara are wondering what happened to them
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
No, they're not.
One of them is pitching in high-leverage innings. The other is hoping he winds up back in Baltimore, somehow.
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Do you really believe that?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Uehara wants to go back to Baltimore.
Only a report from what I understand to be the Orioles version of Gina Miller saying that’s what she heard from friends.
Don’t know how much stock to put in that. Was curious if you had more information or were just participating in the echo chamber.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I was being sarcastic.
It was shorthand for “Uehara probably hasn’t given the Rangers confidence in his abilities in high-leverage moments against LHB.”
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I figured that was possible.
But since A) You can read a bit of Japanese and B) Used to live in Baltimore, I wasn’t sure if you actually had heard something or read a Koji blog or something more definitive than the rumor mill.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Based on the little I read of Uehara's blog,
he wasn’t especially thrilled with Texas, and he was very happy in Baltimore.
But a lot of that could’ve been circumstantial; he’s got time to adjust, now.
My guess is it wouldn’t hurt his feelings if he was traded back to the Orioles, but I doubt he’s going to mail it in if he’s still a Ranger come Opening Day 2012.
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Super OT but I'm curious right now
How hard was it to learn Japanese? Did you take a class or self-taught?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
To speak, or to read?
I lived in Japan for a couple years. I spoke basically zero Japanese when I arrived. I used a bunch of visual and audio materials from various services to learn to speak, but I really picked up most of what I learned the most time-honored way of all: dating women who spoke the language natively.
Hiragana and katakana (the phonetic scripts) are relatively easy to pick up, but of limited value. Kanji is an absolute bear to learn, and I remember very, very little of the characters I memorized. A lot of the baseball ones have stuck with me, though… go figure.
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*Kanji are, I should say.
Those are the Chinese-derived characters. They basically have to be memorized, and there are all sorts of funky things that go on with them,
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we are also assuming that Uehara and Adams
aren’t available either then, correct? they are pretty good against lefties. It really depends on the lefty and how ‘decent’ he is, but I would likely guarantee I would rather Ogando face him than a 2nd lefty that you would like.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I'll take the lefty in that situation over Ogando
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 10, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
Ask Mike Maddux what to do
Look, this is a bad time to buy cocaine anyway. With the market how it is, it is better to rent cocaine.
Ogando?
Ogando has a career 706 OPS allowed against lefties.
Darren Oliver, as an example, had a 587 OPS against lefties last year.
Ogando doesn’t have an out pitch against lefties.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 10, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
Ogando in 2010 held lefties to a .678 OPS
mostly a result of the .345 OBP they had against him. He was worse last year as a starter, mostly a result of a .400 SLG lefties had against him. He’s far from a lefty specialist, but at worst lefties hit him a bit better than average. I think he’s most likely going to be average-slightly better than average against lefties if he’s back in the bullpen. That shouldn’t be that huge of an issue for maybe 1 batter per game since Wash likely isn’t going to Ogando when there are 2 lefties coming up in an inning.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I think Ross might be that guy
if they determine that he doesn’t have much of a future as a starter. More likely than not though, they’ll leave both guys in the minors as starters.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Congrats on your successful 2011 campaign
We’ve now re-labeled you as a reliever. Positive reinforcement!
Congrats on your successful 2011 campaign
You’ll now be making $300,000+ more than you made last year!
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
His future as a starter is far from guaranteed
even if he stays in the minors.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Sure
But do you think most minor leaguers of Ross’ potential/performance would give up starting to become a reliever with the big league club? I’d think they’d need to be promised that they will have a chance to start again in the future.
What exactly do you think his potential is?
His performance has been damn good so far, but he’s not exactly lighting up the prospect rankings. If he’s getting a big head from doing well in A ball, then there’s a problem.
Most Major League players always say that they hate going back to the minors, even on rehab assignments. My guess is that most minor leaguers who aren’t elite prospects or big bonus babies would do whatever it takes to get to the Majors and try to work their way up the food chain from there.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Ogando isn't going to be a guy we want facing lefties coming out of the bullpen. Or, really, at all.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Ogando isn't a righty specialist
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
He's not good against lefties at all.
JDT is saying that if you can avoid it, which you probably can in the situation of basically middle relief, you do it.
Having Ogando is not a good reason to not get a lefty. Saying he is doesn’t make sense.
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Saying he is not good at all doesn't make any sense
where do you see that he was bad?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
the only thing I see looking through his numbers
is the fact that he Ks less, but his K/BB was very similar, and he gave up more HRs to lefties by a 12 to 4 margin. On the road, he gave up 3 HRs to lefties, 2 of those at the joke of Yankee stadium to Cano and Granderson, but otherwise only ONE HR allowed to a lefty outside of the one game at Yankee stadium. (2 HRs allowed to RH on the road. 1 at Yankee stadium (same game)). I think his HRs to lefties are a bit inflated by our ballpark. 12 of his 16 Homers Allowed were at home. 9 of those 12, yes were lefties, but that can be partly a product of the environment that favors lefties. Even so, 4 of those came in the same game against Boston. so 5 HRs to lefties at home outside of 1 game. You think that is bad? and looking through the numbers that is the main knock. I think he would play up as a reliever. I don’t see the issue with thinking he can get lefties out consistently. He’s already proven it.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
You can't just subtract out...
…games that you feel don’t help your cause, and then say, ignore those and he looks great.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 10, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
average HR/FB% for starters is like 10% right
Ogando has a 9.6 HR/FB% vs lefties
doesn’t seem too inflated
seems like the lack of a changeup lets them square fastballs
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I think you're talking very small sample sizes.
His BABIP against LHB in 2011 was .274 — do you think he’ll keep that up, over time?
Do you think that if his true contact rates against LHB are 24% LD, 36% GB, and 40% FB, that he’s going to be able to maintain the same stats?
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24% LD rate is ridiculous.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And, more to the point,
how is a league-average HR rate against LHB a good argument for not having a guy who’s better than league average face lefties, when given the opportunity?
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i replied to the wrong person
i was wondering how he was rationalizing away such a vast difference in home runs to a specific handedness
i agree with you and matchy
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btho Iowa State
do you think our ballpark favors lefties?
do you think Yankee stadium favors lefties?
that is where 11 of his 12 HRs allowed against lefties were given up. He only gave up 1 HR to a lefty outside of our ballpark and yankee stadium. I think that does tell you something, or you aren’t paying attention. Also, your point that he was a bit better than league avg vs lefties as a negative doesn’t make sense. I would say that he would play up out of the ’pen. and is that park adjusted?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
are you concerned about his rates with RH batters
22% LD, 36% GB, and 41% FB. Using those numbers doesn’t really say anything about how he is vs LH or RH batters when they are virtually the same numbers vs both
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
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Those numbers doesn’t really say anything about how he is vs LH or RH batters when they are virtually the same numbers vs both.
That’s not true. If we were drawing on a large sample size, and those numbers were consistent, it would tell us much more about how he is versus LHB and RHB.
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then it would tell you that he is pretty much the same
vs both LH and RH hitters, so it doesn’t tell you much in this argument
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
how does
a 24% LD, 36% GB, and 40% FB vs LHs and
a 22% LD, 36% GB, and 41% FB vs RHs tell you anything
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Well, if it was over a large sample size as a starter,
and the numbers were consistent, they would tell me not to expect very much out of Ogando as a starter.
Since they’re not — since we’re talking about a small sample size as a starter — they would tell me the danger of trying to use small sample sizes for a starter in predicting performance as a reliever, especially in platoon situations. Which is very much relevant to the current conversation.
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heh
so you’re saying not to use the numbers because of the dangers of small samples. That’s fine, but not really relevant then.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
It's absolutely relevant,
if people keep citing his numbers as evidence of his future performance against lefties as a reliever.
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you are the only one that cited those numbers
and they don’t tell you anything about his future performance against lefties
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Ummmm.
I’m not the only one citing his numbers. In fact, the only reason I brought them up was because of the exchange you started.
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this is what you asked citing some of his numbers
Do you think that if his true contact rates against LHB are 24% LD, 36% GB, and 40% FB, that he’s going to be able to maintain the same stats?
I respond
how does a 24% LD, 36% GB, and 40% FB vs LHs and a 22% LD, 36% GB, and 41% FB vs RHs tell you anything
You respond
since we’re talking about a small sample size as a starter — they would tell me the danger of trying to use small sample sizes for a starter in predicting performance as a reliever, especially in platoon situations.
You cite numbers that aren’t relevant to Ogando’s platoon splits. After I refute them you then claim citing numbers in small samples is a dangerous game. That’s fine if that’s your argument as then you really can’t claim he can’t get lefties out as we don’t have enough of a sample.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
You had some trouble
following the sub-thread. That’s ok.
My first question was (a) not to you, and (b) precisely aimed at showing the problem of drawing future predictions from small sample sizes.
Now, as it turns out, the guy who was responding to you using numbers — since you’d brought them up — was indicating the same thing. Namely: you can “go through the numbers” all you want, but the sort of numerical manipulation in the post that began this exchange is way off-base.
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I followed just fine
the thread involved his platoon splits. you attempted to use numbers that aren’t valid for the discussion. congrats
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
what is off base about my post
I think he can get lefties out. I don’t assume he is a LOOGY, but he’s not as bad as people want to make him sound. I used his HR numbers because that is where the big discrepancy was between LH and RH hitters vs Ogando
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Your use of the HR numbers
is exactly what I was being sarcastic about.
One season of HR numbers as a starter? Really? And then you start discounting those numbers because of park effects?
C’mon. I can’t believe you’re not following why people, including me, are questioning that.
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Oh, good grief.
You’re the one who wrote this:
the only thing I see looking through his numbers
MonkeyEpoxy wrote this:
average HR/FB% for starters is like 10% right
Ogando has a 9.6 HR/FB% vs lefties
doesn’t seem too inflated
seems like the lack of a changeup lets them square fastballs
I responded sarcastically. Why can’t you get that?
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And when I say "sarcastically,"
let me be clear:
I threw out the contact numbers not because I think they can be used to project Ogando’s future performance, but precisely because I think they can’t — just like the numbers you were trying to manipulate above.
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I didn't manipulate any numbers
I merely stated the numbers, and nothing I stated was false.
do you understand sarcasm?
His BABIP against LHB in 2011 was .274 — do you think he’ll keep that up, over time?
Do you think that if his true contact rates against LHB are 24% LD, 36% GB, and 40% FB, that he’s going to be able to maintain the same stats?
didn’t think so. or you don’t convey it well.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I understand sarcasm perfectly well.
What’s sort of sad is that to question that, you left out the lead to those quotes, which provides all the context:
I think you’re talking very small sample sizes.
Now, maybe you just missed the subject header. But if not, I think your attempt to recast my questions speaks volumes about your motivations here — and they’re not constructive.
As for manipulation of numbers, there’s a reason AJM posted this:
You can’t just subtract out games that you feel don’t help your cause, and then say, ignore those and he looks great.
Since you seem hell-bent on convincing me that I asked my questions seriously, and thus unable to see the way your own posts came off, I think we’re done here.
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And, actually, at one point
you seem to understand my point in asking the questions was
heh — so you’re saying not to use the numbers because of the dangers of small samples.
(Now, you also wrote that you don’t think that’s relevant. But you started this exchange talking about the number of home runs Ogando gave up over one season of starting, and splitting them up by park and handedness of batter. So…)
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there were plenty making assumptions
on the short samples that we have, that Ogando can’t get lefties out. I used what data we have, whether small or not to discuss that assumption is false.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
22% LD rate is one of the worst in the league.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Small sample size.
And, to boot, the Colin Wyers Problem.
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the 22%, 36% and 41% numbers are against RH batters
we might as well just give up on Ogando
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I expect his career is as a reliever.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
that is a different argument altogether
and more based on mechanics are wearing down, and not ineffectiveness.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I'm not saying to ignore it
but you seem to be ignoring the point. If you take the whole sample of the season, he was pretty good against lefties. Most of his HRs to lefties came in parks that really favor lefties. You can’t deny that about our park or Yankee stadium. He had 2 bad games last year. That happens as a starter, and he was still really good last season.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I'm not saying he should be a specialist
I’m saying it is ludicrous to say you don’t need a lefty in the bullpen because Ogando gets lefties out.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 10, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
I don't mind having one lefty in the 'pen
but I really don’t think it is a massive priority with guys like Adams and Uehara, and even Ogando who will pitch in high leverage situations. I do, however, think having a 2nd lefty is pretty useless with the way the bullpen is stacked.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I have no problem with them using either of those guys in the pen
It gives the Rangers an opportunity to give the young guys ML exposure in a controlled manner, but doesn’t prevent them from becoming starters in the future.
I'd be vehemently opposed to using Perez in that fashion for a full season
Burning a year of service time just to use him as a glorified LOOGY seems asinine. Especially considering the consensus is he still has plenty of refining to do as a starter in the minors.
Look, this is a bad time to buy cocaine anyway. With the market how it is, it is better to rent cocaine.
I think JD
was just humoring TRS…
FIFY.
I think JD was just humoring fucking with TRS…
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Hopefully.
But the org is kind of developing a track record for fasttracking top pitching prospects through the bullpen.
Look, this is a bad time to buy cocaine anyway. With the market how it is, it is better to rent cocaine.
Rangers and Darvish getting closer to a deal?
MLBInsideNews Scott Swaim
Darvish has lowered his asking price to below 80M. #Rangers at about 55M, but they seem more optimistic then a few days ago.
I see no reason to believe Scott Swaim has anything of value to offer
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 10, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Of course it does.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
I don't even know who he is.
Who is he? What is MLBInsideNews?
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Just a guy.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Hey now
He’s got a Twitter handle. They don’t just give those to anybody.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
CYEEEEEEEEEEEEEAGH
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
I apparently have a new co-worker named Briseis.
No lie.
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achilles dat ho
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
If Ross ends up being a successful reliever this year
Even a LOOGY, I’ll be shocked. And pleasantly surprised. And thrilled when it means he won’t be listed on the prospects list again.
Phillies won't extend Hamels
bigsteve is going to be pissed.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I laughed.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
i want me some hamels
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
Good.
He can take Colby’s spot.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I'm going to assume that the Phillies F.O. really f***ed up on this one.
by VM on Jan 10, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Bad feeling. I don't know why. Just a bad, bad feeling.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
this post is awesome
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Heyman with a Boras scoop? Shocking.
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
#reds, madson in agreement.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
'Twould be funny to see a follow-up tweet:
Agreement: Madson will not sign with Reds, Reds will not sign Madson. Both sides very happy.
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What are the Reds trying to do?
I thought they would be in rebuilding mode, but then they traded for Latos…
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
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