Thursday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2012 8:32 AM CST
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FanFest is this weekend, and T.R. Sullivan has a story at the Rangers' website about the festivities that are scheduled.
Gerry Fraley has a blog post up about the Rangers' interest in Brad Hawpe and Joel Zumaya, both of whom are coming off of surgery.
Richard Durrett writes that Mike Napoli still can't run on the ankle that he sprained in the World Series, but he expects to be ready for spring training.
Randy Galloway has a column on the Rangers increasing ticket prices, noting that the increases are mainly on the high-priced seats, and that the organization has earned a level of trust from the fans that allows them to raise prices.
Jeff Wilson's notes talk about Mike Napoli's recovery from his sprained ankle, Ron Washington's thoughts on Yu Darvish, and Colby Lewis saying the Darvish situation has put a hold on his contract extension talks with the organization.
Anthony Andro has some notes that include info on the minor league staffs and includes quotes from Washington on Darvish.
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After looking at that ankle
I’m not in the mood to give Napoli an extension right now
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I thought the exact same thing
He still can’t run? That sounds pretty serious.
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
I tore ligaments in my ankle several years back
Probably looked something similar to that when it happened and I couldnt walk for about 6 weeks much less run. I don’t think this timeframe is too worrisome yet. If he can’t run come spring training then I’ll be concerned.
I think my biggest concern actually is going to be his mobility behind the plate. If he’s able to move as well as before.
by bigsteve on Jan 12, 2012 9:27 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah...Catching is such a strain on your feet...
He’s tough as hell, so that helps.
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
I tore ligaments just looking at that photo
I swear, how Napoli got thru that without broken bones is beyond me.
by troysboys on Jan 12, 2012 11:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
A broken ankle would have healed quicker.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I think we should expect his power to be down a bit
early in the season, a la Kinsler a couple of years ago. Hopefully he heals fully before April.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Turns my stomach every time.....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 12, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
MY EYES!
Fuck, Comrade Morris, what gives?!
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
That's Spadesnake territory with that picture
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2012 12:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously
how did that not break?!
"wanna make love in the snow? ill call you a snowl angel and then put a carrot in your mouth and a butt on your nose"
by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 3, 2011 1:05 PM
I broke my
right ankle doing the exact same thing. It swelled up and turned purple all the way up to my knee.
broke my rt leg sliding into 2B when I was 17
one year and 2 surgeries later I was able to run again
Thanks for the nausea, Adam.
Ass.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
If only there were a way to minimize pictures on the front page....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 12, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
I love it when AJM trolls LSB
love it love it love it
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
its soo crazy that he stayed in the game
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I was 99% sure it was broken
My ankle hurts just thinking about it
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 12, 2012 9:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Me too
Eveen at hust a sprain, how we stayed out there is beyond me. I guess it’d take a bullet to get a guy out of a world series game.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
by Buttermaker on Jan 12, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
That doesn't even look real
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 12, 2012 9:12 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Rangers extension candidates to front office:
“You just do Yu, I’ma do me.”
by base.head on Jan 12, 2012 9:15 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Can we ban AJM for posting that pic
Inappropriate.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 12, 2012 9:24 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Mike E can but AJM in his sig roll call of trolls.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
so it is really not worrisome to anyone else that our FO can't seem to negotiate with both Yu and others at the same time?
by bigsteve on Jan 12, 2012 9:29 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
They couldn't last year with JD's extension
They seem to be a one track operator.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 12, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think it has anything to do with the inability to negotiate with multiple players.
It’s just the way they’re are choosing to do business at this time. No worries…
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
its kinda his bit right now
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Another bigsteve subthread
Fucking tired of this trolling.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
According to my definition of trolling, yes
When you have the same tired ass comments every day on one subject I think that’s trolling.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
You think he's doing it to stir up reactions?
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No
Not like Josey does.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Bring something to the party instead of take, take, take.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Well, they "can't seem" to give contract extensions to those players because those players are probably asking too much
and/or the Rangers are offering too little. They’re separate negotiations and I’m not sure that one has anything to do with the other.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
maybe they don't want to reveal to yu's team how much $ flexibility they have
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2012 9:41 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Or it could be a sign of respect to Yu that they are putting all their effort into signing him.
“Yu are our number one concern, Yu.”
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
This is bullsh
He deserves no more “respect” than any of the other players.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
One player needs to be signed within a week
The others are here throughout the year at least.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
All players should be treated equal in all circumstances?
Because that doesn’t happen. Players have received (and will continue to receive) preferential treatment for the entire history of the sport.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I understand that he may need a little closer attention now
because of the timeframe they have to deal. We can start respecting him when he actually performs on the field.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
That sounds like a really easy to way to piss people off.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Maybe I should change that to "baseball respect"
Not as a human being.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
What does that even mean?
How is it a bad thing for the Rangers to tell Darvish that they’re focusing on him (assuming they did tell him that, of course) considering the size of the investment and the uniqueness of the situation?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
What if he comes here and just can't cut it?
Can’t handle the grind, the heat, being in a new country. All of these things are legitimate concerns. How many on LSB will be respecting him then? He’ll be called expletive you can think of.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
Ok...
What does that have to do with his negotiations?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I can't get my point across on this stupid keyboard.
You wanna skype or something?
I just view him as a player at this point. If we can work out a deal…great…if not so be it.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
You do realize that the Rangers value Yu a lot more than most of their players
even though he hasn’t played an MLB game.
You know how I know that? Because they are about to offer him 50M+, which is a lot more than they are paying most of the players on the team.
You have a problem with that? Then I guess you should have been mad when they made the winning bid
I hope they can work out a deal.
But, honestly I’ve always been on the Prince train. I think they’d get more value out of their investment paying Fielder and trading for a TORP.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
That's a different point entirely
The Rangers value Yu a lot more than most of the other players in the league. That’s just a fact supported by the oodles of money they are already willing to spend.
At first you suggested that no player deserves better treatment than another – which is just absurd because some players always get better treatment than others (hence the reason for salary disparity).
And then you suggested that he shouldn’t get better treatment because he hasn’t pitched here. You can believe that if you want but clearly the Rangers don’t. They think he is a generational talent.
Regardless, you should have no problems with the way they are conducting the negotiations. It’s kind of ludicrous for the Rangers to approach the negotiations with him as “You might me good but you’ve never played here before so you’re no better than Michael Kirkman.” They clearly think he is better than that. Even if Yu ccepts the Rangers’ low ball, he would still become the highest paid pitcher on the team by far. No sense in pretending they don’t think he’s insanely good. Given the amount of money about to be committed to him, you make these negotiations a priority – and nobody else should be upset about it.
>trading for a torp
Just that simple!
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You don't think we have the pieces to do it?
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
In a reasonable way given our situation and the demand for torps?
I think that’s far from a guarantee.
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I'm not just suggesting a sure fire ace.
But Latos has moved, Garza’s name is out there, Shields name has been brought up, I’ve even heard Jurrjens thrown out there. Yah the demand for torps is abundant but most teams can shit in one hand and want in another. We are not one of those teams.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
Kevin Goldstein polled 10 front offices who scouted Darvish.
7 of those 10 would rather have Darvish than Matt Garza.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Multiple places had him as the best pitching talent on the market.
His ZiPS forecast certainly makes that easy for me to believe.
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The poll didn't ask
having the combo of Fielder/Garza or just Darvish.
My hopes are that the Rangers can pull off Yu and Fielder at this point.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
I find it very easy to believe Yu > Fielder + Garza. . .
. . . when cost and future cost (prospects and money) are considered.
In fact, I’d probably bet pretty heavily on that being the case.
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I also don't believe Darvish comes at the expense of Fielder.
Fielder’s price comes at the expense of Fielder, if anything.
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more importantly
it’s not Fielder/Garza or Darvish, it’s Darvish/Moreland/Young/Napoli.
Fielder has to be better than that group of 1B by enough of a margin to justify $20+ million a year.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Correct.
Depending on length, 20 million is definitely pushing it. Probably pushing it too far.
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Well Young and Nap will be taking AB's at other positions.
So I’m betting Fielder, by himself, outperforms those 3 at the 1B position.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
Outperforms is missing a key part of T Ball's post.
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Ok...
Young won’t be here forever, your gonna have to pay Nap at least $10mil per after this year and he’s not going to be your everyday 1B, and who knows what Moreland’s gonna do. Why not secure 1B now with a sure fire beast?
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
Because that sure fire beast isn't likely to be a sure fire beast
for many more years and will be getting paid a small fortune for it.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I don't think he's the missing piece we need to win a WS title
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Well I didn't know signing him guaranteed a title.
Hell, why didn’t anyone mention this before?!
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Sure fire beast?
Are we also going to just ignore the typical fat dude aging curve?
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relevant here
interesting article on power ISO curve over at fangraphs today. Kind of startling, as these things usually are.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
and of course
it’s also tied into team resources over the next several seasons, which includes decisions about Moreland, Hamilton, Cruz, Cuban ballplayers, etc.
The one thing it most definitely is NOT, is a simple Darvish vs. Fielder/Garza comp.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
by t ball on Jan 12, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the fact that Darvish costs ZERO prospects or draft picks is overlooked too much. . .
. . . when people apply their general understanding of most transactions to his.
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exactly
getting a guy who costs money is better than getting Fielder (who will cost more than Darvish, perhaps) and Garza (who will cost both money and prospects).
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
And the other 3 are those dumb FO's...
The ones who will be fleeced in a trade for a guy like Garza, and think he can be a TORP.
Garza is a good pitcher, but he is not a #1…never will be. Yes, that is based on my extensive scouting and study on Matt Garza while sitting on my couch eating pizza.
Garza was a No. 1 last season.
So he has been, and could be again.*
*In the National League.
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Understand he was a No. 1, technically
I just don’t feel he is an ace and should have stated it that way. CJ was a number 1 also, technically, but I don’t view him as an ace.
My obscure point was that although pitchers like Garza, CJ, etc, who are good pitchers, should not require “Ace-type” or “#1A instead of #1B” packages in return via trade.
I have NEVER been sold on Garza. I remember watching his no-hitter a couple years ago and I kept saying…literally….“How is this happening?”
Ace and No. 1 are different things (I think).
The former has a shifting definition, that usually seems to be one of the elite handful of pitchers in the game. The latter is pretty easy to define, and Garza surpassed that mark in 2011.
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While Garza COULD be what he was in 2011
I think Chaim is expressing skepticism that he will.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I have the same skepticism.
Though I might not bet against it in the NL.
I’m expressing disagreement that he has never been a No. 1 and never might be again.
And then clarifying that No. 1 and Ace are not the same thing.
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EVERYONE STOP TALKING ABOUT GARZA
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2012 12:56 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Josey? Is that Yu?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Should we just trade Martin Perez away
because we aren’t sure he can come up to Arlington and cut it?
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by Prashanth Francis on Jan 12, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Martin Perez shouldn't get an inning in The Show. . .
. . . until he’s pitched a couple of innings in The Show.
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respect is shown different ways to different people
it isn’t a zero sum game
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2012 10:29 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Respect should be earned and not given.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
and you know this because...
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Either was Matsuzaka
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
And Yu was significantly better than him.
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by Prashanth Francis on Jan 12, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
How many outs has he picked up in The Show?
Yeah, if I’m the agent for Napoli, Dutch, Josh or Cobra, I’m holding off until I see what Darvish gets.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
this is dumb
whatever Darvish gets is not going to impact Napoli, any other position player, or any pitcher as the circumstances are quite a bit different. Holland has his comparables, and Darvish is not one of them
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
If the Rangers invest $ 120 million in Darvish, I don't think
they’re going to get club-friendly deals with either Napoli, Cobra or Holland.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
and that has nothing to do
with what the agents think their clients are worth.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Regardless of Darvish
I don’t think this club is all that interested in anything but club-friendly contracts for pitchers or position players on the wrong side of 30.
From your comments in the past, I didn’t think you liked older players on long term deals either.
He doesnt
He just hates JD and takes the exact opposite side unless Nolan is on board with JD then it becomes Nolans idea and not JD’s.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
And he doesn't even really hate JD
It’s all an idiotic bit that 99.99% of message board moderators in the known Internet would have shut down by now.
by nobis60 on Jan 12, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec worthy
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
99.9% of message boards suck LSB's Dick.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
You're very odd, with all your bits and homoeroticism.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
by K.S.B. on Jan 13, 2012 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The same reason agents for American high school players
can’t look to LA signings when getting drafted
You've wasted such a fantastic point on someone who will either not get it, or completely ignore it.
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No, I said I was very skeptical and on the fence with Cobra.
Said he either had the best or worst agent in the history of professional sports.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Way to take a stand.
…he either had the best or worst agent in the history of professional sports.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
If I'm the Rangers
At this point, I’m waiting to get a good look at Napoli’s work on that ankle before I offer anything more than 1 year. Same could be said about Cobra and his hip/FB velocity.
I don't think the Rangers issue with Napoli is his ankle.
They wouldn’t have entertained a discussion for a long-term extension in the first place if they were worried about his ankle.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I think it's more about buying high with Napoli
he just had his career year and of course he’s going to try to leverage that in any negotiations.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
And if (and it's not a given) he comes down a little, he'll still
have better numbers than VMart plus he’s a superior defensive player.
Why the hell would he settle for less than what VMart received?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
What a difference one year makes.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
congrats for repeating my point
Napoli is in a similar position as CJ Wilson a month ago (or a year ago), every reason to ask for the moon, little reason to take a team-friendly deal. The Rangers are in the same position again as well, not wanting to give away too much money for too many years. Both parties are doing the right thing by not rushing into a deal.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
The Rangers are only doing the right thing if they
have no interest in bringing him back after 2012.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I like this guy.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
No,
they are doing the right thing if they can bring him back at a price that makes sense. It doesn’t make sense for them to give him anything he wants, even if he has a right to ask it and test the market.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Where did I say that?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You just said
“The Rangers are only doing the right thing if they have no interest in bringing him back after 2012”.
Which says “If the Rangers don’t sign him than they don’t want him back after 2012”. Which translates to “If the Rangers want him back after 2012 they should pay him whatever he asks” which is your opinion on the matter (and on CJ Wilson during last years off-season).
What part of that says "they should pay him whatever he asks" ?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That's easy
“The Rangers are only doing the right thing if they have no interest in bringing him back after 2012.”
Give it up heebs
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Oh yeah, that's primary
I’m sure Napoli’s agent and the Ranger’s FO are miles apart in evaluating his 2011 season, which they probably should be.
But I bet they also know about his ankle and how much he’s able to work out right now. And it’s just occurring to me that talks broke down last week, and that’s about the same time that Naps tried to start running on that ankle and had a setback …
At this pace, I think it’d be unwise to be thinking that he’s going to be any better than a bit behind the others in camp. And as someone else noted, I bet his April numbers stink while he continues to get that nasty sprain back into playing shape. That was a beastly looking injury.
"Yu....are my number one......guy......"
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 12, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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No Josey bigsteve. I am sure their are multiple negotiations going on at the same time. I imagine Nolan and JD are focused on Yu and Thad on the extensions.
Apparently there's not "multiple negotiations going on at the same time."
The extension talks with Napoli ended last week. He is getting a one year deal (which means he’s going to free agency) and the extension talks with Holland ended earlier in the week.
There is nothing going on that’s been publicized with Josh, Kinz or Colby. Looks like Josh & Colby are leaving as well after 2012.
If you’re a smart agent, you hold off until we see how much $$$ the Rangers invest in Darvish.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
from Cots
MY: signed extension with Texas 3/07
Josh: signed extension with Texas 2/11/11
Ian: signed extension with Texas 2/19/08 (replaced 1 year/$407,570 deal signed 2/15/08)
Napoli: signed by Texas 1/29/11
Feldman: signed extension with Texas 4/2/10
Lewis: signed by Texas as a free agent 1/19/10
Today is only Jan 12th.
Didn't JD say that they were not going to pursue more than a 1 year deal with Napoli?
Didn’t JD also say that Holland extension talks ended?
The only player I can remember hitting free agency and coming back to the Rangers in the JD Era was VPadilla.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
If you're a smart FO then you probably wait to see how the Yu negotiations go before you try to sign other players.
I don’t get the angst about seeing how that plays out before we make other big moves. If we sign Yu then it’s probably $100M plus investment. You wouldn’t go out and buy a car when you are trying to close on a house would you? It’ll play out in a week and then they can get back on it. Patience.
by elchicodelgado on Jan 12, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Ok, come on, this is so dumb
Does it not seem prudent to know whether you have a large contract to think about, and how much that contract is BEFORE you ink deals with other guys? This contract has a deadline attached to it, the others do not. This is not rocket science. Furthermore, you ONLY sign extensions if they make sense for the team.
Furthermore, you ONLY sign extensions if they make sense for the team.
Furthermore, you ONLY sign extensions if they make sense for the team.
Furthermore, you ONLY sign extensions if they make sense for the team.
Furthermore, you ONLY sign extensions if they make sense for the team.
Furthermore, you ONLY sign extensions if they make sense for the team.
Furthermore, you ONLY sign extensions if they make sense for the team.
Furthermore, you ONLY sign extensions if they make sense for the team.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
by t ball on Jan 12, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Your writing's a little ambiguous on this point, tball, a little vague, a little opaque.
So let me see if I’ve got this straight…
Do you ONLY sign extensions if they make sense for the team?
Because what I think you’re saying is:
You ONLY sign extensions if they make sense for the team.
(Furthermore, there is no proof that Craig James did not kill 5 hookers at SMU.)
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sorry
I meant to say that you sign contracts if it’s been a while since the team has had some important sounding transactions.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
that have to sign Darvish
before dropping the other shoe.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Heh. I do expect some other moves to come pretty quickly after Darvish.
This FO seems to make plans with a number of moving parts such that after the waiting things come in rapid succession. Maybe that’s typical of baseball. Maybe that’s confirmation bias on my part. But it’s the impression I have.
This is like the Madden assistant coach that Bill Simmons always wants.
“You sure you want to do that, Coach Garrett? Sounds like a REALLY bad idea.”
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I want to be Yu's "America Coach."
We might have someone on the board better suited to assist in his acclimatization, though.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Mike Napoli
“America’s about the three Bs—Booze, Broads, and Baseball.” Not in any particular order.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
On the 'oh, yeah' subject
Doesn’t it make a ton of sense to wait on signing Cobra, or any starting pitcher really but especially your oldest, until you know if you can ink the 25-year old stud in the making?
Hmmm …
I really don't care if they renogotiate Colby Lewis for any excuse.
I want to see a better season from Colby this year if they want to sign him again.
yea, I'd be pretty disappointed
to read about a long term extension for Cobra
going market for a 3 WAR+ pitcher is going to be way more dollars (and years) then I’d be comfortable giving him till we see if that hip got better.
nolan gave Yu custom cowboy boots
Accd. to Hochi Sports Japan .. or was it Sponichi Sports?
Nolan presented Yu with custom cowboy boots during his visit, best I can understand with translation.
Is there a bootmaker that can carve Japanese characters?
Cynically speaking, maybe save us a few million bucks on the deal, with the goodwill of this gesture.
I wonder if the FO
has had any discussions with Coolbaugh on how attached he is to jersey #11.
by base.head on Jan 12, 2012 10:13 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Or #18?
Isn’t #18 in Japanese pitcher-ese like the “up and coming ace?” … Whereas you wear #11 if you are the acknowledged ace?
If so Moreland may rake off a few bucks in the deal …
they wear 18 or 11
whichever the main ace doesn’t wear the other wears that other number.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Just curious...
What kind of return does LSB think the Rangers could get for Cruz?
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
Not enough to make him worth trading
by base.head on Jan 12, 2012 10:45 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
file this under news i care aboit less than AJM's latest crush
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2012 10:57 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
We must respect Yu right now.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
Hair extensions?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
I think Wash would look great
with a Richie Weeks’ style set of dreads hanging out the back of his cap
Plus, that would allow us to gain more marketing dollars in Jamaica and with the upscale Jamaican-American market
I remember thinking "noooooooooooo, oh well, the season's about to end shortly, anyway."
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O rly?
jonmorosi
Source: #Rangers becoming more optimistic about chances of signing Yu Darvish. Story at FOXSports.com: bit.ly/wO08WZ.
I doubt they were ever pessimistic.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
translation
deadline nearing, media meme changing
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
It'll get worse again.
Before it’s done we’ll hear that Yu is thinking about pitching in Japan again.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Before it's done, we'll hear that Darvish was so insulted by the Rangers' offer
that he’s retiring from pitching immediately out of shame, and becoming an お好み焼き chef.
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Ok, weird.
I swear I typed “okonomiyaki” there.
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I'll try...
okonomiyaki
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Ah, I think it was something from the other day.
When I discussed Japanese with GDawg. Never mind.
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Just wondering
But do you think they even go so far as to have a timeline?
Like, okay, it’s a week out, let’s run the ‘things are getting better story,’ so then when it’s 3-4 days off, we can start really pounding the ‘is it going to get done at all’ number, which would then be followed by the day before and day of stories that say ‘no chance – what will the Rangers do now?’
I don't think they make anything up.
So it’s not scripted… it’s all just part of the negotiating process.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
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JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm
So by all accounts it sounds as if Fielders options are possibly down to just Wash and FLA..albeit with others on the outskirts just in case
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
but I saw a tweet saying washington 99% wont make an offer
and Miami is content with Lomo??
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
If Miami gets Prince
Then LoMo is available on the market. That would be acceptable.
by Akalhar on Jan 12, 2012 11:47 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Great magazine.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
It's still amazing to me that the market is lukewarm for Fielder....Boras is stupid to think Fielder is going to get 8 years....
I agree with the reports that Boras is holding out for the Rangers….question is, will he use the Rangers to try and get more from another team or use another team to try and get more from the Rangers?
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 12, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
I just don't think the Rangers are going to significantly move the meter.
It’s not like they’re going to come in and offer 8+ years. They’re probably going to offer less than what a non-contender is offering and force Prince to choose. At best, they match.
OurDailyBears.com
by Prashanth Francis on Jan 12, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Who would want to be in Fielder's skirts, anyhow?
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A cursory search suggests that there are worse places to end up
than Mrs. Fielder’s skirts.
OurDailyBears.com
by Prashanth Francis on Jan 12, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
OT, and yes I know there's a thread for this:
It’s snowing like a sumbitch here.
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35 and partly cloudy in Seattle.
Nothing but snow, rain or clouds for the next 15 days.
LOLz
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
There's something about an old person writing "LOLz"
That just makes me….sad for them.
Today it's not TERRIBLE here
but it will get into the 90s again next week… fuck that.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
what food is unique to venezuela?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
or food dish
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
dammit wrong thread
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't know
as I’ve never been to Venezuela.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
wrong thread.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
argentina?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yes...
and as far as I know… nothing. Save Tango, there is very little true Argentine culture… a lot of it is borrowed from Spanish, Italian, etc.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Had Oberweis milk yet?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I think the nearest supermarket carries it.
My wife doesn’t like whole milk, though.
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Also OT: I just set off the smoke alarm. DAMNIT.
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I knew it was going to happen eventually, with my new coffee-roasting scheme.
Michal is probably going to be unhappy about the smell.
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I'm the only milk drinker in the house so I buy whole,
but one of my colleagues swears by the 2%, saying it tastes more like whole.
I love whole milk.
But I don’t drink much milk, so…
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Seriously? We've got plenty of accumulation here.
And I lived through four Boston winters and Baltimore’s Snowpocalypse. I’m not saying this is bad — I’m just saying it’s coming down nice and horizontal right now.
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No plans at the moment for MLK. Let's talk.
We’ve got what looks like one to two inches on the ground here. More than we’ve had all winter! I think they’re calling for up to 8 inches by tomorrow morning, yeah?
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Chicago...
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Lots of concrete and asphalt where I am at and not seeing much accumulation.
But rooftops look to have maybe an inch now
I wonder if there's a difference downtown.
Wouldn’t surprise me, especially given the warm weather the last couple days.
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Chicago, right?
I kind of want to live in Chicago.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 12, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Highly recommended.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2012 1:01 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
29 and snowy right now.
Seattle mocks Chicago’s 15 day weather forecast.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
No, this is all about how he doesn't know how to look up weather statistics
and thinks that the 5 days he spent there 15 years ago are somehow how the weather is every day in Seattle.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
He's not even in Seattle.
He’s trolling.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Weather doesn't bother me.
Well, 103 degrees bothers me…the cold does not.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
When it's 103 degrees...
I can play golf.
I can sit by the cooler with a full cooler.
I can go to a baseball game.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
True.
I prefer the cold over extreme heat.
Now, I hate single-digit cold….but that’s different.
And I’d rather be shot in the face to do any of those things (except the 2nd one if you meant sitting by the pool).
Different strokes and shit.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
40 proof chocolate milk? Im going to make my protein shakes with this stuff!
http://www.adultchocolatemilk.com/
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2012 12:16 PM CST reply actions
dammit.. wrong thread.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
With this new ap I'm unableto see all the fp content.
Stink.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2012 1:04 PM CST via Android app reply actions
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