Friday morning Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 13, 2012 8:03 AM CST
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Nolan Ryan says he is optimistic about getting a deal done with Yu Darvish. Keith Law, incidentally, said in a chat session yesterday that the Astros had a better chance of winning the 2012 World Series than Darvish had of returning to Japan for 2012 without signing with Texas.
Gerry Fraley writes that the Rangers have inquired on longtime Ryan favorite Roy Oswalt, who is still a free agent, after an injury-plagued season in Philadelphia.
Jeff Wilson has a story about Michael Young being named the team's Player of the Year for 2012, and lists all the Ranger award winners from this year.
Anthony Andro has a story on Craig Gentry, who says that he is hoping to win the everyday centerfield job for 2012.
Todd Wills' notes includes quotes from Adrian Beltre on being healthy, and Michael Young on a calm offseason, after last year's drama-filled offseason.
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Darvish
Confidence based on what? Last I heard ’Vish was at $100 mil for 5 years. The Rangers were at “Dice K money”. Any new information?
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 8:20 AM CST reply actions
I think the Rangers have the upper hand here in terms of leverage.
I think they are in a good position to lowball him.
by UrMomsFinger on Jan 13, 2012 8:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
you will hear tons of things as part of the negotiations...just trust in Nolan
The bottom line is if he truly wants to play in MLB then he’ll sign. All indications are that he wants to.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
It will be close to Daisuke money that he signs for.
There doesn’t need to be new information.
We knew the day the Rangers won the bid that there would be tons of “He wants too much!” and “He may stay in Japan!” fretting and rumors… but at the end of the window… he’ll sign.
His agents are just trying to do what they can with limited leverage.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'd be shocked if it's below Dice-K money.
This is 5 years later and isn’t Darvish supposed to be better?
Why would it be close to Dice K $$$ ?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
How?
They’ve painted themselves in the corner that they need Darvish to be their number one starter this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
because we lost a legit number one bad-ass
helath nut, lefty, car enthusiast, whining bitch ass punk motherfucker?
come the fuck on, JW. bring something.
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
(he's also ignoring the fact that the $ paid for Dice K was obviously too much for him.)
So given that, paying Darvish that amount may be more in line with his value.
by FuturePants on Jan 13, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Darvish's team does not want him to come back.
The posting fee is three times their annual salary. If Darvish had any intention of pitching in Japan again next year he wouldn’t have posted.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
*3 times annual payroll
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So you think the Rangers get him for right around $ 100 million?
I have no idea because these are uncharted waters but my guess would be in the $ 115 – 120 million range.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I think very close to $110 total.
My guess is $58M over 5 years.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
True greatness.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 13, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
That isn't how it works.
Darvish has no leverage. If the Rangers don’t sign him they get their posting fee back. And they have 5 good starters still.
The Rangers want him but they won’t pay anything to get him.
I know they get their posting back.
And you’re counting Feliz as a “good starter” already?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Im not counting feliz as anything
if Rangers are inquiring about oswalt…then that means they arent counting on Feliz either and know he is gona be in RR to start the season
If the Rangers are interested in Oswalt (and God knows why, but whatever)
That means Harrison, Lewis, or Holland is getting traded, not that Feliz starts the year in AAA.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I never said below.
I suspect it will be a little over the total guaranteed amount that Daisuke got with one less year, giving it about a $3M higher AAV.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Dice K got 6/52, correct?
So you think Darvish gets 6/70?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
5/58
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
6th year left for arbitration?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Nope. Darvish goes to FA early.
That’s part of why he accepts.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You've been on this for a while...
and I might end up being wrong, but I genuinely do not see any way the Rangers give up a year of control, under any circumstances.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
I'm not the only one that feels that.
Goldstein has said the same thing and there is precedent for Japanese players negotiating for this item.
I think Rangers will cede that negotiation point to get him here.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Most of those players were several years older, so it wasn't just to the player's advantage.
And with the biggest posting bid ever, I just don’t see it.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Doing the math...
5 years at $58 million is $11.6 million per year. If he is a bust, the Rangers lose but not as badly as a six year contract. If he is a major success, he hits free agency at age 30 where he can go for 6 years at $120 million. Not going to six years is an advantage for both the Rangers and Yu. The only disadvantage for the Rangers is if he is absolutely great during that time period. But nobody absolutely knows he will be great over the next five or six years.
And you really think there's a chance he replicates Fernando '81?
Think he had 5 shut-outs in his first 7 starts or some such.
That ain’t happening.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Lol.
I was kidding. I mean… it is possible. But it’s very unlikely… you can’t predict that from anyone.
But you have no clue how good Darvish is.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think we'll be lucky if he's Hideo Nomo.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Rookie year Dice K?
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
You keep thinking of Japanese pitchers...
As though that has any relevance to Yu Darvish.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It has much less to do with his ethnicity
and a helluva lot more to do with the competition he’s faced, the competition he’s about to face and everything else that comes with being a starting pitcher in Texas.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Do you think every pitcher that comes out of AAA is the same?
Regardless of their stuff or talent?
Because the NPB is harder than AAA… and Darvish has had more time to hone his craft than most minor leaguers.
Fastball command is fastball command everywhere.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
We'll see...pitching against banjo hitters
in the NPB and pitching against the AL in a sweltering ballpark that’s hitter-friendly is much different.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 13, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah. Darvish is a combo platter
To use Josey’s 80s perspective, its like the Great Kubuki is his mother and the Iron Sheik is his father. Thus he can blow green Kool-Aid out his mouth and locate that gyroball on the corner.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
by Atticus F on Jan 13, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol-ed
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Wait....whoa, whoa, WHOA!!!
Are you trying to tell me that stuff that Kubuki spit out was NOT something that would blind someone??
IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE TELLING ME?
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Impossible
I’ve seen how people react to getting that crap in their face. It definitely blinds them.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Same here....
pfftt…..green Kool-Aid……
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Muta was better
dealwithit.gif
The red mist could KILL A MAN
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Red Kool-Aid with Cayenne Pepper
Rass-lers were Bad-Asses back then.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Josey Wales: Professional Talent Scout
Keep rooting for the Rangers to fail. It’s your thing.l
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Cliff Lee
Lee’s performance is my cap on what is possible in that park.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
That was a very very small sample size.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If Lee was human.
(sarcasm font)
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
I'd guess 5 years/60 minimum.
I even think the Nippon Ham Fighters might kick some dough back to young Darvish to get it done.
i.e. “Accept the Rangers offer, and one of our sister companies will give you a $10 million endorsement deal.”
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Nippon cannot kick back money.
This was covered when Daisuke posted and Seibu considered it. MLB said absolutely no side deals.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Very interesting.
Thanks.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Well they can kick back money
just not legally (or according to the MLB/Japan league rules)
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Isn't this what paper bags are for?
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Or a wrapped sandwich
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Or a $20 handshake.
/lyingcraigjames
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Or they can 'hire' a relative of his
Or some such
There are all sorts of legal loopholes companies find to funnel money in directions that is not technically allowed
I TOLD YOU THIS WOULD FRIGGIN' HAPPEN!
/Evan Grant
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Isn't Oswalt like 47 years old now?
"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan
Oswalt
Is that a serious thing or - are we just being nice?
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
i wouldn't put much stock into it
Rangers inquire about anyone and everyone.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Newberg points out in his TROT COFFEY that it might just be an attempt to get some leverage in the Darvish negotations
I’d imagine that there is some mild interest because of his name, but I wouldn’t expect him to sign here.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
He does not seem like the ideal RHP for us
I’d even prefer Edwin Jackson offer him.
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
I'd take Jesse Jackson over him.
Oswalt is dun.
"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan
I have always liked Oswalt
but I don’t want him to be a Ranger next year
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Hearing Michael Young was named the Rangers player of the year
made me throw up in my mouth.
by Rangers Fan Mike on Jan 13, 2012 8:35 AM CST reply actions
And here we go ....
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
This is me....
……gaining more respect for Rangers fans.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
also lets hope MY has more years like last year
he was pretty good…..Rangers player of the year for me – Adrian Beltre.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I like it.
Baseball fans who don’t homer-ize their overrated home guys. Who knew?
Beltre for me too, and I don’t think it’s close.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
No, it was close
Kinsler put up a phenomenal year – really good D, outstanding base running and really good at the plate as well.
I’d give it to both in a split decision
Nope.
.302 OBP on the road.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
one stat makes him not the team mvp?
what about being moved off of your position thrice because you are a loser dick in the field?
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Come on, TDT!!
Don’t fall for his crap….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
i got this!
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
i got this!
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
One of the reasons Kinz played so well is because he was
able to rest (thus, stay healthy) and not play 2B every day.
Sure cool to have a super-sub like Face to play 2B for 14 games and hang an OPS of 1065,
When Beltre broke down and spit out the bit in late July, Face moved over to 3B because that’s what the team needed….there was a division title to be won…and Face hung up a .818 OPS in 40 games at 3B this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
x
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
if MY is so bomb at 3B,
why did we need Beltre?
oh, because you didn’t cite one example of Young being decent in the field. you gave me some arbitrary stat about OPS.
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Your on the road stats are really strange,
considering that all wins are important on the road and at home. So if you get more wins at home, and an at home stat that helps win games, there is no particular advantage to better at home stats considering that there were more wins at home.
I think it boils down to you don’t like Beltre. Napoli had great home stats and great road stats, and if he had more at bats, and more games played he probablly shoiuld be team MVP. I really think the Rangers award things to Face to try to keep him happy. But I don’t think he had the best year on the team, although he certainly had a very good year.
It doesn't have anything to do with not liking Beltre.
He was a great player at home and when healthy.
He wasn’t a very good hitter on the road.
And if you think the Rangers gave Face the Player of the Year award to keep him happy, that’s simply wrong.
He earned it…Big Dick Durrett said last night every player he spoke with on the team thinks Young was their MVP and so did Wash.
So did Nolan.
Case closed.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 13, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
James Mason
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What is he doing with his left hand?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
That would be amazing hand-eye coordination
to be able to beat a dead horse and jerk off at the same time. BRILLIANT!
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
Maybe...
you and the rest of the people on here everyday are the dead horse??
Think for a second.
Y’all rattle off the same shit on a different day EVERY FUCKING DAY!!!!
by Buddy Smokes on Jan 13, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Quality post there, Buddy.....
Good stuff as usual…..
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Don't you love sock-puppet season?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Yup.....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
If Mike Young was really the best player on the team, the team would have won 75 games.
But define most valuable however you want to define it, so whatever.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
The best player on the team is Josh.
Young was the MVP last year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 13, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I find it hilarious that Vast Segments of LSB keep pounding
sand and wasting energy over Michael Young.
He was very good in 2011 and Vast Segments can’t handle it..
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 13, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
He was Marla Hooch last year.
Kinsler was Dottie Henson- better at hitting, better at defense, and better looking.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Jan 13, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can't believe....
…I’ve never used this analogy before. Stealing.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting take
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
You have to include intangibles
So I got better looking in there.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Young
.700 OPS in day games. And a .492 OPS in games played indoors! Terrible!
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
I'll stick...
up for you man. You may be a little crazy sometimes but on this, you are right.
Like you said, the players and management voted him their Player of the Year.
What the fuck do the rest of these people on here know?? Nothing. That is why they are not working for a Major League Baseball franchise.
And neither do I, but I at least recognize that.
by Buddy Smokes on Jan 13, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Players and management didn't vote him that.
The Dallas chapter of the BBWAA voted him that. They also are not working for a major league franchise.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Nolan Ryan is on the record as saying
Face was the MVP and so is Wash.
Big Dick Durrett said all the players he spoke with said the same thing.
Relax and enjoy it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I have never complained about him winning that award once.
I’m just correcting his factually inaccurate statement.
The specific award was by vote of writers, not players and coaches.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
We'll never know but it sure sounds like
players and coaches agreed with the writers.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
What don't we know?
That the award is voted on by writers or that some players and FO types like MY?
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 13, 2012 5:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So your agruement, no illogical statement is...
Young was the MVP, but not the best player. Or are you saying that Josh was the best player, but didn’t play up to his capabilities? So let’s say the Face had the fourth best season on the team behind Kinsler, Beltre, and Naps.
That would mean that Young surpased those three players because of the intangibles such as leadership. And your statement that Josh was the best player on the team, ……..Oh I give up! You can’t be argued off your preconceived notions. Everyone else is right! No more replies to your misguided statements!
Josh is hands down the best player on the team, and it isn't close.
I can’t believe I’m defending JDubya. Wait…I’m not. I’m defending common sense. It’s just that I can’t believe JDubya has any common sense.
I sports hate you CJ.
He may have the most physical talent.
But his application of that talent does not make him the best player and it’s not even close.
You are underestimating the value of a infielders who can hit and play defense.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If Josh couldn't play half of his games in Arlington,
he’d still be a very good hitter.
Adrian Beltre can’t say that.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
He can in April, July and September.
Mike Young is the one the one with the severe career split.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think this is what I just said
He may have the most physical talent…
Understood that other players out perform the mean better, but it doesn’t take away the fact, the first guy I take from this team saying all players are entering their age 24 season at the same time is Josh Hamilton.
I sports hate you CJ.
It wasn't really that close
Kinsler was the best player on the team last year. Beltre was great, but with the missed time factored in, its an easy win for Kinsler.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Agreed. Kinsler.
Most exciting player: Naps
Most exciting thing done that mainstream fans don’t know about: Beltre, “Oh Shit”
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Clarify
I meant it wasn’t close vs Young. I’d agree it’s a close call with Kinsler, but I’d choose Beltre.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Welcome to LSB.
As a whole, we actually underrate Young.
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Kins
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
by Bface on Jan 13, 2012 8:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do you even remember the pop-ups???
Seriously though, it’s Kins.
by elchicodelgado on Jan 13, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
The answer is, and always will be,
Ian Fucking Kinsler.
"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan
yea Kins was pretty fucking good last year
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Exactly...too many pop-ups!!!
Which is why they have to move him out of the leadoff spot!!!
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
AND THE BODY LANGUAGE !
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
UGH!! How could I forget the body language??
And hey, Kinsler….how about running out a few ground balls????
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
He missed nearly 1/4 of the season and didn't
hit worth a damn on the road until he faced the soft underbelly of September pitching.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
oh good god.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
worth a damn on the road.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
we got it
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
oh yeah, the soft underbelly.
wouldn’t every hitter on every team be subject to the soft underbelly of september pitching?
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
This is incorrect.
He had over 1.000 OPS in April on the road and over .850 in July.
He was mid .500’s for May and June.
So in three out of the five months of the year, his road numbers were above average.
Michael Young had a .400 road OPS in June and a .700 road OPS in September? What kind of pitching was Michael Young seeing September to see his numbers dip?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
*five months Beltre played.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Beltre's road OPS in late July ....before he broke down and spit out the bit...
was .689.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Because of two bad months.
But when you break it down month by month… three out of five of the months he played were above .850 in OPS.
That means September pitching had nothing to do with. It was April, July and September pitching he did well against.
He was awful on the road in May and June… that’s it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That almost sounds like the kind of variance you see from isolating small samples
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Jan 13, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You don't say...
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Well then there's probably not much value from that data then
So basing an argument off that data probably is dumb.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
You don't say...
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
you do know that we play half our games at home, correct?
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
Beltre was great at home.
But he also broke down and missed nearly 1/4 of the season plus he didn’t hit worth a damn on the road.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
By month
On the road. I misremembered July. It was only .819.
Month PA AVG OBP SLG OPS APR 47 .333 .362 .644 1.006 MAY 63 .237 .270 .305 .575 JUN 78 .230 .256 .284 .540 JUL 30 .259 .300 .519 .819 SEP 61 .311 .323 .574 .897
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Michael Young on the road by month.
Had one bad month and one below average.
Month PA AVG OBP SLG OPS APR 47 .422 .426 .600 1.026 MAY 58 .347 .431 .388 .819 JUN 73 .214 .247 .229 .476 JUL 42 .342 .405 .526 .931 AUG 59 .346 .407 .462 .869 SEP 66 .316 .394 .316 .710
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If you take the two worst months and combine them.
Young:
Month PA AVG OBP SLG OPS JUN + SEP 139 .260 .317 .268 .585
Month PA AVG OBP SLG OPS Non Crap 206 .364 .417 .489 .906
Beltre:
Month PA AVG OBP SLG OPS MAY + JUN 141 .233 .262 .293 .555
Month PA AVG OBP SLG OPS Non Crap 142 .308 .331 .486 .917
Small sample sizes are very fun aren’t they?
So… should we trust two bad months… or perhaps their career road numbers. I don’t think I need to put those up… I believe everyone should be aware of the career differences.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Jan 13, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Add defense.
It gets ugly.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
That non crap SLG for Beltre should be .586
The OPS is correct.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
so why do you only cite that he was terrible on the road?
why is that your go-to stat? because it paints him in the worst light?
i mean, i know you think you are some mega-genius, but get serious
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
It's the same reason intelligent people didn't think
Dante Bichette was a true badass when he was playing in Colorado.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
when Dante Bichette played in colorado,
his numbers were bad ass.
i think you mean when he played outside of colorado, or for colorado.
let’s go super genius, get your prepositions together.
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Nitpicking...
gotta love that kind of uselessnessness.
by Buddy Smokes on Jan 13, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
need moar cliche
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
because i didn't have enough coffee
I just automatically through Beltre out there because he was my favorite player on that team……Forgot about Kins.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Ah, no worries.
Love me some Beltre.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Jan 13, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
You post on nearly all the SB Nation sites so I can't figure out who your team is.
So, who is your team? I’m just curious. Also, there will be a huge fight over this thread sooner than later. You will be best served to stay out of it. Actually everyone will be best served to stay out of it but they won’t. Oh, lord knows that they won’t.
by elchicodelgado on Jan 13, 2012 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
Indians
I won’t be engaging in any Michael Young debates any time soon. He is what he is.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
He is pretty good.
He’s an above average baseball player.
He’s just not a superstar but is treated as though he is. That doesn’t mean Michael Young isn’t very good.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Josey's shtick annoys me too.
But most people around here act like he was far worse than he actually was. How people around here act about Young in 2011 is pretty similar to how Josey’s acts about Beltre in 2011. Very irrationally.
I'm very rational about Beltre.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 13, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Then why did you walk away from the chessboard above?
Instead of accepting matchst1ck’s checkmate re: road OPS?
I didn't walk away from anything.
I also accept that Michael Young hit .3-mo-fucking38 last year.
I don’t make excuses for his 4 for 39 in early June and try to claim he should have hit .350 and won the batting title.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 13, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't make excuses either.
Beltre had two shitty months on the road. It happens.
Just like Young’s June happened. I don’t think Young is incapable of hitting because he had some bad stretches.
Players have bad stretches.
Ian Kinsler legitimately performs worse on the road… he has his whole career. The same with Mike Young.
Beltre has a career of doing better on the road… there is no reason to think he is incapable of hitting on the road or that he needs RBIA just because he had two bad months of road hitting. Unless you have an agenda. Then by all means.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You keep referencing Beltre's career...
He turns 33 years old…he’s no longer the hitter he was in his prime and THAT hitter usually had a shitty OBP.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
It's more meaningful
Than a two month stretch that wasn’t great.
His best road month was April when feasted on the weak underbelly of April pitching.
And then he feasted on the weak underbelly of July pitching before getting hurt.
Then he feasted on the weak underbelly of September pitching… picking up right where he left off when he got shit working in July.
It’s not the park that he needs… it’s the normal variance for major league hitters to have ups and downs.
Two months versus twelve years. Or if you want to throw his entire career out…
141 PA in two months that were bad…. 142 PA in the other months that was fantastic. That’s just last year… AND IT SURROUNDED HIS SHITTY MAY AND JUNE. So it’s not exactly symptomatic.
Done with this topic… take the last word. It’s been made very obvious that Beltre doesn’t need RBIA to hit. Including last year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Until proven otherwise...a full season
where Beltre hits well at RBiA and I’ll quit bringing it up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
This will never happen
You have been proven wrong on other subjects and you still keep bribing them up.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Which subject?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Are you saying you have never been wrong?
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
No, I've been wrong plenty of times.
It happens, it’s baseball.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Weak underbelly of April pitching
made me laugh
i like to read the debate and as someone who isnt
in the clique of regular posters..it seems to me that Josey gets a bad rap cuz he doesnt enjoy the same view as virtually everyone in here..Kinsler is great..he refuses to get in the barrell..Josey in fact is the engine that drives these debates..half or more of the arguments have to deal with him
“What you lookin’ at? You all a bunch of fuckin’ assholes. You know why? You don’t have the guts to be what you wanna be? You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your fuckin’ fingers and say, “That’s the bad guy.” So… what that make you? Good? You’re not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don’t have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say good night to the bad guy! Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you. Come on. Make way for the bad guy. There’s a bad guy comin’ through! Better get outta his way! "
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I get the bad rap because there are Vast Segments that
can’t handle getting thrown around in a debate.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 13, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Very true.
Most people have no idea their reactions are driven by the EGO. Most people don’t even know what the EGO really is.
Seems like alot of people here should watch a movie called “Revolver”.
by Buddy Smokes on Jan 13, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Disagree
We have very reasonable baseball discussions when the whole thread is not sidetracked to go over the things that he sees differently than many.
And there are a lot of disagreements as well. They just don’t come up over and over again, and if someone shows facts to base their thoughts upon, often times people concede the point in a friendly manner and move on.
There were a few good days over the holidays, right after the Yu signing …
Agreed
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
I read Heebs post as saying Young was worth his 2011 salary.
And I agree with him.
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I see, I think that opinion is justifiable.
I don’t necessarily agree, but I don’t think it’s outside the realm.
I was more talking about the value of Young versus what we have paid for him, and we have overpaid. He’d have to repeat 2011 a couple of more times to make me ok with his contract as a whole.
Taking it a bit further.
I think he 2009 was the first year of the contract, and was probably also worth it.
2010 definitely wasn’t.
So in his first three years of the 5 year deal, he’s had two good and one bad.
He’s getting older so that’s worrisome… but if he has two more good years it won’t be a bad deal. Even one more good year in the next two will make “okay”.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't agree with this,
but I also think Young hasn’t been as bad as some people here would like to think.
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What don't you agree with?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think given Young's 2009 and 2010
That he would have to have two more years at least as valuable as 2011 in order for him to even make the contract “not bad.”
Basically, I’m not as high on his value in 2009 as you are, and combined with his 2010 and 2011, that makes me skeptical of his ability to return value on his contract.
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Well... "not bad" and "okay"
Are subjective terms.
Not bad means that… it wasn’t bad and punching myself in the face isn’t necessary.
Okay means… I’m thinking about punching myself in the face, but I’m glad it wasn’t worse.
After 2010 I thought he was done and we had three years of face punching coming.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Ahhh, ok.
So, “not bad” relative to expectations when he signed the deal. That makes more sense.
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Eh
I don’t think we all think he’s lousy. I just don’t think he’s been that great, because he hasn’t.
He's been occasionally great,
mostly good-to-very-good, and sometimes better-than-average.
Not a bad career, to say the least.
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The problem, I think, is really the deal.
It caused people to expect more from Michael Young than Michael Young could deliver.
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Add the deal on top of him alienating a lot of us here with his attitude...
…and it’s not hard to imagine why people gripe about him.
Sure.
I understand it. Don’t agree with it, completely, but understand it.
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I can't wait until he's voted into the Hall
This blog may explode.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
I seriously doubt we have to worry about that.
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I don't
He will likely end his career with a .300 average, close to or over 3000 hits, a Gold Glove, at least 8 All Star appearances, at least 2 WS appearances and hopefully at win or 2. Plus, he is extremely well liked and respected by people like Evan Grant who vote for it.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
How long do you think it takes
for Young to rack up 939 more hits?
Because without 3,000 his case for the Hall is pretty damn weak.
I think he has seven All-Star appearances to date, and he’s never finished in the top 5 of the MVP voting.
I’m not saying he has no chance — but I think he’s a long-shot right now, and would need at least two more 2011’s to make his case.
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Just to be clear
I don’t think he should ever be elected…I can just easily see it happening.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
OK.
So how long do you think it takes him to rack up those 939 hits?
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At least 6 years
Which puts him at 40 years old. I don’t see it happening but he will get close and I think the overwhelming Grantness of the BBWAA will give him the benefit of the doubt.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
How close do you think he gets?
To 3,000, I mean.
And I think you might be giving Grant too much credit.
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Grantness
By that, I mean there are too many writers that vote for guys based on personal feelings and “intangibles”.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
I know.
I just look at the last round of voting, and think there are fewer guys like that than I might’ve expected.
And by the time Young’s eligible, I expect there’ll be even fewer of them.
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But Young is going to be paid $ 90 million for 10 years of work
from 2004-2013.
Well worth it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Why?
I don’t think he was player of the year either or mvp candidate but he was a very good player for the Rangers. People around here act like he sucks.
There were also Segments reveling in his post-season slump ("3 for 27!!!")
and giddy with the possibility that the Rangers were going to win Game 6 / their first World Series with Michael Young out of the game.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 13, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Because people use 4.5MM per win as a flat metric
And it isn’t. As well, that’s a market-based metric, and he signed that contract without the influence of the market- it was unnecessary then and is still unnecessary.
Even then, ask JD to his face if he wants to pay 4.5mm per WAR.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
You don't get to pay people exactly what they are worth.
That is how the system works. Team’s tend to substantially underpay young major league starters and tend to overpay older major league starters. In the end most guys who play at a starting caliber tend to be “overpaid” in the final years of their contracts, mostly because they paid a premium to buy out their free agency years.
The Rangers in 2011 were a lot better by having Young than they were if they didn’t have him. And in the end Young will be worth every penny the Rangers paid him over the course of his career. It sucks that he looks overpaid now but I’m not too worked up about it. He’s been a great Ranger, one of the best ever. And he was very good for the best Rangers team of all time.
See, here's the problem
The Rangers in 2011 were a lot better by having Young than they were if they didn’t have him.
This is impossible to prove. That, and
And in the end Young will be worth every penny the Rangers paid him over the course of his career.
Say Young hits at replacement level for the next two years- you’re still happy with that?
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
"Say Young hits at replacement level for the next two years- you’re still happy with that?"
Of course not. But I’ll place the blame on JD, not on Young if that happens. And I STILL think he’d be worth every penny he got paid over his time here. He was severely underpaid for a long time.
And as for proof, who cares. Nobody can prove anything in an argument like this. Don’t be ridiculous.
Yes, I will be the one who is being ridiculous.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
It is your position that Young might have made the team worse in 2011?
Or didn’t make them any better?
Discounted or counted, really.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
If he had an iconic playoff moment
in a WS clinching victory, he’d be the Jack Morris of position players. Narrative trumping actual performance.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
MY = Tebow of baseball?
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh.
I already regret bringing Tebow into this.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
heh you should
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Huh, I wouldn't have guessed Indians.
It was just friendly advice not a product of me being worried about you. I just didn’t know if you’ve frequented the site long enough to know that this is the most polarizing topic on here.
by elchicodelgado on Jan 13, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
I can imagine.
Homers vs romanticists vs sabers vs traditionalists vs everything in between.
The Indians have just the right budget and fans to offer a nice balance of committing to good prospects, occasional big contracts to veterans that outperform, high upside sleeper acquisitions and filler veterans when it’s time to make a run for it. (i.e. They’re patient and poor enough to let a Brantley, Carmona or Laporta play through struggles, but they can also go get a Jimenez, Lowe, Masterson or Choo if there’s value. If there’s a guy they absolutely love, the cash is there, but they can’t afford to throw it around just to make a headline.)
Nice park that slightly favors pitchers. Cool cap. Generally underrated. Diverse rotation. I like all these things.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
It's not really
homers vs romanticists vs sabers vs traditionalists vs everything in between.
That would actually be interesting.
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he is what he is
what a beating.
everything is what it is. that’s why it is that thing that it is.
a piece of shit is a piece of shit.
an indians fan is an indians fan.
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks
Almost forgot I was on the intrawebz there for a while.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
no problem, drew carey
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
this is me....
……not giving a fuck about your opinion on rangers’ fans
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
He didn't say anything offensive whatsoever.
I don’t get your angst.
by elchicodelgado on Jan 13, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
just stick around, you'll learn to have the same angst
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I refuse.
I won’t let it beat me down. Must fight it…
by elchicodelgado on Jan 13, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
heh....not responding is this best option
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
It doesn't beat me down either.
If you let it get to you… you lost.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Dude,
just because you got mentioned on TV a few times by Lewin doesn’t mean you really know a fucking thing.
by Buddy Smokes on Jan 13, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Heh.....uh.....Buddy.....uh.....
That wasn’t TDT…..
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That was so dumb I rec'd it
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
It really needs to be green
to make sure someone scrolling through this thread doesn’t miss it.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I did my part.....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely lol
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
heh....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
MY had a very good season
let’s move on from the hatred.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
especially getting named player of the year for 2012
They don’t even need to see him play the season before they announce he’s the player of the year!
by MikeEl on Jan 13, 2012 11:31 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Astros would be the favorites
If they hadn’t let Keppinger go
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 8:52 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Don't fall for the trap guys
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
yea its not gonna happen
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
In my three-point stance....and not jumping......
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
heh this is awesome
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Well it was working for like 5 mintues
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
And Adam just keeps counting the page hits
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
I'm pulling for you Genty.
On pace for 3 WAR in 130+ games last season.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Gentry is one of my favorite players
I live that guy so much.
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 9:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's our speedy, gritty CF
I hope he can piss off teams like the Angels and the A’s as much as their gritty CFs have pissed us off over the years.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
if somehow he can just hit a tad better......
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
That inside the park HR against the Mariners last season.....
So awesome…..I had never seen one in person….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
Anybody remember Bump Wills and Toby Harrah hitting back to back inside the
park HRs on back to back pitches at the old Yankee Stadium?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
nope
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
I remember them as players when I was a kid but I was waaay too young to remember that specifically...
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
August '77
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
oh yeah, top of your head
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Look it up, Turtle Dove.
Happened on a Saturday in late August…school was getting ready to start a few days later….the Rangers lost the first game on Friday, won the middle game and then lost on Sunday….those ‘77 Yankees were kicking everybody’s ass that month and the rest of the season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
why the fuck would i want to look it up?
or even know about it?
it is so insignificant that i already forgot what you are talking about
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Yep, August 27.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA197708270.shtml
Back to back HR’s in the 7th inning.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
like i said, i don't give a fuck about it.
a meaningless game where a meaningless event happened
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Tension,
Tension,
Tension is all that I knooooww,
I got tension out in traffic, I got tension in my exercise,
I got tension and it’s everywhere that I gooooo.
Might be time to take a rip off the ole one hitter and relax.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
Or ten rips from a ten hitter.
"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan
shut up, loser ass fuck dick
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
BOOM
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I was 5.
That’s the year I got menengial encephelitis and a friend of the family who worked on the grounds crew brought me a ball in the hospital that Jim Sundberg had autographed to me.
Touching story, I lived, severe brain damage (duh), blah blah blah.
But damn Josey, you’re an ancient motherfucker.
"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan
yep.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Hey Josey,
Tell us what Honus Wagner was really like.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Back when Josie was mentoring a young Ty Cobb on all matters Great Game,
they threw many a closed fist and booted toe at young dark-skinned gentlemen who were seen taking up with white women.
"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan
by Flynnyrd on Jan 13, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yes !
and remember Lenny Randle beating crud out of Luchessi? when Bump got the job? sigh. rangers in the 70’s.
keep on rockin' in the free world !
Spring Training '77 just before the season was supposed to start.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 13, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Ellis? Sunny's backup
I bet you remember, I think it was ’76, we had that back up catcher John Ellis I think. Came in a trade from Cleveland; he slid into second and wrecked his ankle. I was watching it maybe on a 7" black and white and could tell that was a bad bad hurt.
keep on rockin' in the free world !
I remember John Ellis.
Big tough dude…think Mike Napoli.
That summer in ’76 was really tough after July 4. The Rangers were 44-32 and then STBF like few teams ever have…32-54 the rest of the way.
Ouch.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
if he is our starting CF'er this year,
we don’t win the west
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
i know who played center field last year
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
knew that as well
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
The Rangers won the West last year...
with Mitch Moreland and Endy Chavez playing way more than they should have.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
by 10 games in fact
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
one batted .300 part time and the other played 2nd half of
season with effed up wrist..i think they did ok
well he was solid the year before when he came up
solid before he got hurt..my point is..about 380abs before he got hurt..20hr 49rbis..lets see what he does full season
yawn...
I just can’t get excited about him. But then again, I only like superstars I guess.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I really like the floor he gives us in CF
With his speed and defense, I think a full season of Gentry is a pretty good bet to be worth 2 WAR. If he is anything close to being as good as he was last year, that could be quite a bit more.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
He did start looking more comfortable at the plate
when he got more consistent playing time.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
He's amazingly fast
for a white guy.
"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan
THATS RACIST!
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
by TargetField on Jan 13, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
I try to offend all segments of the population equally.
"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan
2012: The year JBlmaknee could be a legit Matt Harrison fan?
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Darvish
We need a post predicting his contract.
I say 5/65, and 5/60 wouldn’t surprise me.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 13, 2012 10:50 AM CST reply actions
5/70
Or not at all.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
there was one a while ago
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
by jonas m. on Jan 13, 2012 10:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Norm = Reliable?
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Getting done in time for Fan Fest is awesome
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
would be sweet if he is there
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Jan 13, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
As Prince parachutes in and punches Rally Monkey
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 13, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
while kicking rally squirrel
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Jan 13, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Congrats, by the way.
Wish you fuckers could have done that to Auburn last year :(
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 13, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
me too, bro.
and thanks. yall ready for the big12 next year?
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Jan 13, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
With RGIII gone, I predict a minimum of 9 wins.
Kidding. I think they can be very competitive. If everything goes their way, there’s no reason to think they can’t win it.
Though my guess is an 8-4 season, and a finish around #23 when all is said and done.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 13, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
That's a big fucking parachute
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Sorry but,
Norm = 100%?
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Norm is local radio guy here.
But he’s been doing Dallas sports for like 40 years. I grew up listening to him. He was the Rangers color guy back in the 80’s.
He’s got legit sources.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
yep, if Norm's reporting it then they are def close on the deal
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Fantasy Baseball
Thanks. I’m not ashamed to admit that my eagerness to know stems from fantasy baseball.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
sorry but, go away
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 13, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
he has decent sources
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
No one is 100%
But Norm isn’t what I would call irresponsible.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Jan 13, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
No he isn't
But his show does suck.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
Yep.
Norm said that the Rangers offer to CJ last off-season was 3/36.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 13, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
If you don't know it's too late for me to help you.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 13, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
the FO didn't want him back....so fucking what.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
The FO not only lost our staff ace, he went to our chief rival.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
well take that up w/ Nolan, JD and the rest of the FO that made that decision
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
JD has said if he really wants a player / pitcher, all he has to do
is make his case to the business side and the baseball side.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
ok so JD doesn't need to go to the owners to get them to post $51 million for Darvish
ok gotcha.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
thats laughable JW....losing CJ and getting Darvish is not JD's decision alone
especially w/ the money involved.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
C'mon now, shock.
Darvish is JD’s Baby all the way.
JD made sure scouts watched every start and went to Japan himself.
He wants Darvish more than anybody else in the organization.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You really should charge for this insider info
you seem to have.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
seriously....JD can alone decide to post $51 million for Darvish?
is that what you are saying? I know you have certain agenda’s on here but don’t try to tell me that Nolan, Simpson and Davis didn’t have anything to do w/ this posting since its their money.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Actually
I heard JD only wants him the second-most out of anybody in the organization.
It turns out Mike Maddux has an insane craving for fugu fish, and he thinks Darvish can hook him up with a steady supply.
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
Well you can't control where the player will sign.
But hey go ahead and blame the FO.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
We couldn't afford to sign him because of the Beltre deal, shock00.
Wise up, man.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I think josey post something controversial.. gets lubed up.. hits auto refresh
and cleans the fuck out of his kitchen.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 11:17 AM CST reply actions
sounds like somethong Josey would write
ESPN Insider Matt Meyers writes that the Rangers might be better off by not signing Yu Darvish
Don’t really think one can lump in the posting fee to the 2012 payroll like he does.
It's Deja Vu all over again
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
you mean "Deja Yu"...
"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili
by Justin Biehle on Jan 13, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
As long as Darvish proves he's worth the investment, the Rangers are
better off with him than without.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 13, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
This isn't "any signing."
This is a $ 100-125 million investment.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
quick, someone tell the Rangers
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Jon Daniels will shit a brick when he figures this out
It will be a true Eureka moment for him
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
He doesn't really get that backloading long-term contracts can be a bigger risk than paying it upfront.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Can somebody help a brutha out?
Does anyone have an idea what Newberg meant in his Coffey this morning by his “could be part of a small leverage play” regarding Oswalt/Kuroda interest vs. Darvish leverage play.
I don’t revel in being stupid, I just don’t get it.
Just an effort to put very mild pressure on Darvish's reps, as WIMW said below.
Not a major factor in the talks.
by Jamey Newberg on Jan 13, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Do you think Cobra Lewis signs an extension or is he going to free agency?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'm not sure how lengthy an extension the team would be willing to hand him.
One plus an option, maybe. But why would he take it?
by Jamey Newberg on Jan 13, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Because he wants to be a Ranger!
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
3/36 is something he would need to consider.
So would the Rangers.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
between you and bigsteve
I’ve never seen two fans more afraid of player turnover. Extend them all at any cost! Hurry before the team has no players left!
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I want to extend players that are worthy of extensions and not at "any cost."
If you’re going to invest $ 110-125 million in Darvish, he sure as fuck better be $ 40-50 million better than CJ Wilson.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
fan of the soviets?
the mujahideen?
I believe
he meant that interest in Oswalt showed the Darvish camp we have a plan B. That is, we aren’t desperate to sign Yu because other options are on the table.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Jan 13, 2012 12:50 PM CST reply actions
Wow, holy crap. Could that really be it?
So, Arn Tellem is quaking in his boots because Oswalt and Kuroda loom on the horizon?
I’m not doubting your take, just curious.
You know, I guess that tactic wouldn’t surprise me.
After listening to MY's interview on Ben&Skin ...
I love Mike Napoli even more than ever.
He calls MY “Ranger Man” and made him a damned cape. That’s freakin’ priceless.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
I heard that ...funny as hell.
Had CMorgan play “Superman” theme on one of Face’s at bats and Face K’d.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Yeah......
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
There's always Tamponia, Fukie.
There have been rumblings of turbulence but for the most part, people in here are handling it today.
JD is casting his lot with Darvish….that’s quite a gamble to make when you have so many other good players that have contributed to all the success of the last 3 years who are due for extensions.
That’s worthy of a fair discussion in the doldrums of mid January.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
JD = 2 WS, All other Rangers GM's = 0
I trust our FO.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Correction
Nolan = 2 WS, All other Rangers front offices = 0
JD = All the bad stuff that happens.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
You are correct
My bad
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Have a great weekend, JW.....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Could be an interesting development on Fielder:
The Rangers are meeting with Fielder at a Dallas area hotel today, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets. It sounds as though the Rangers don’t consider Fielder and Yu Darvish mutually exclusive.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Telling Yu
The Rangers are going to have a presser for both of them.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Someone posted that rumor a while back, but I can't remember who. When they posted it, they even said
it would occur within 5-6 days. I think we’re a bit beyond that period, but I’m trying to remember who posted that on here.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
IaNF.....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Posted this in another thread
If what Norm said today is correct and the Yu deal is done then this makes sense.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Excellent...........
EXCELLENT!!!!
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
And here I thought Fielder and Darvish were like matter and anti-matter.
PRINCE OF DARKNESS.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Interesting....
I guess since our front office “supposedly” can’t multitask with negotiations………does this mean they have finished up the Yu contract?
- sigh -
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