Mariners acquire Jesus Montero from Yankees for Michael Pineda
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 13, 2012 6:49 PM CST
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PrintIn a blockbuster involving a couple of young stud players, the Seattle Mariners have reportedly acquired Jesus Montero from the New York Yankees in exchange for Michael Pineda.
There are other players reportedly involved, and we will flesh out the details as that information becomes available.
Montero, who turned 22 at the end of November, is a C/1B/DH whose value is in his bat, as there are questions about whether he can stay behind the plate. Baseball America had him as the #4 prospect in baseball after the 2010 season, and the #3 prospect in baseball after the 2011 season. After posting an 870 OPS in AAA in 2010, he regressed somewhat statistically in 2011, putting up an 814 OPS. Nevertheless, Montero is considered an elite, top-shelf prospect.
Pineda, who turns 23 next week, was the #16 prospect in baseball according to BA prior to the 2011 season, and was one of the few bright spots in the Mariners' 2011 campaign, putting up a 3.74 ERA in 171 innings for Seattle, while striking out 173 batters and walking just 55.
Rangers fans will recall that the Mariners were close to a deal sending Cliff Lee to the Yankees for a package headlined by Montero in July, 2010. Texas trumped that deal by offering Justin Smoak, who they had previously refused to agree to part with, and the M's ended up sending Lee to Texas, reportedly preferring Smoak to Montero. Obviously, they now have both players.
This deal also makes Prince Fielder to Seattle less likely, since the M's now have young, well-regarded players at both the first base and DH positions (assuming Montero plays one of those positions, rather than catching, for Seattle).
UPDATE -- Enrique Rojas is reporting that Hector Noesi is also going to the Mariners, with Jose Campos going to the Yankees.
Noesi, who turns 25 in two weeks, is a righthander who appeared in 30 games last season for the Yankees, mostly in relief, while posting a 4.47 ERA.
Campos is 19, from Venezuela, and pitched in the Northwest League last season, finishing #3 in BA's NWL top 20 rankings after posting a 2.32 ERA with 85 Ks and 13 walks in 81 innings, and a fastball that apparently makes scouts drool, hitting 95 mph with movement.
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What?
How would this affect anything? All players are traded within AL teams.
Oh, I thought you meant rules-wise.
Who gives a shit I don’t have either.
Well, good trade for both teams, I guess.
The M’s have a lot of young pitching in the minors, though I’m not so sure how deep the Yankees are at catcher. Maybe they’ll make a run at Yadier next year?
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
Yankees are very deep at catcher.
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I guess
Romine is meh and Sanchez is a ways away
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They still have Russell Martin too.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I saw Mariners and Yankees run by on the screen
thought they had swiped Felix or something. This will do. I dont see a clear winner here. I would have allowed this trade in a keeper league
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 6:53 PM CST reply actions
Wow...
This has to be good for us. Pineda in an M’s uniform scares me a lot more than Montero for some reason.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Montero's ceiling scares me more, as does his not-flinging-objects-unnaturally-100-plus-times-a-week position.
But then he’s not scary right now.
I think I’m okay with it, but cautiously.
It makes sense for the Mariners to reset their window a little bit, I think.
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by philkid3 on Jan 13, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I possibly have mentally already dismissed Montero as an overrated Yankees guy
though I deep down know he can be scary.
If he doesn’t stick at catcher though, he suddenly goes from a great prospect to a good hitting guy who really isn’t super-duper valuable. Pineda… well… he has already shown he’s pretty special.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Justin Smoak!
I want him back
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by FirebatM3 on Jan 13, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Z is crazy
he’s pretty clearly one of the least impressive GMs in the league
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
You need to go troll them.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
dunno
Montero is moving to a place that kills RHH
and Pineda is moving to a place with an unforgiving right field porch with a 35% GB rate
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btho Iowa State
It kills a RHH.
Montero there is going to be bad compared to Montero elsewhere. But he should be compared to the RHH that would replace him in Safeco.
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Replacing the guy who led their team in HRs last year?
Oh, Seattle.
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hahaha
he’s just missing a really stupid hat
by Baseball North on Jan 13, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
So which GM is Rafi then?
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
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is he still in Philly?
wonder how he likes Madson’s glorious deal with cinci
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btho Iowa State
I just imagine Amaro Jr to be about as wild-ass as Rafi.
Like he decides shit on a whim after a 2 day bender.
Just walks into the GM Meetings
“I’m day drunk. Get ready to see my dick.”
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by vfn on Jan 13, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah, i get aroused when I am in a position to take a life
its called a murderboner
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
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@GregJohnsMLB Greg Johns
No confirmation from team, but source says Mariners sending Pineda and Jose Campos to Yankees for Jesus Montero/Hector Noesi.
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
I dunno about Campos
But his numbers look good…although in low A
he throws really really really hard
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btho Iowa State
I havnt seen any stats on the other guys
I hear Noesi was just a throw in but Campos is very prospecty
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
such a crap trade for SEA
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btho Iowa State
Fielder running out of places to go
I used to think he was a longshot…. Now, I don’t know.
As for the trade, the Yanks have a couple of good Catchers down on the farm. Not ready yet, but rated pretty high I think.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
its gonna be hard to replace a guy like Olivo................................
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
but is a DH worth it for semi-established power arm like Pineda?
seems like Seattle got facefucked on this one
by Baseball North on Jan 13, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
yeah they got boned
trading for a DH is just not smart baseball decision making. Of course, he wont be a DH immediately.
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on the DH
If Montero is going to be Frank Thomas, he’s worth it.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 13, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
ya but Montero's still a "prospect"
he hasn’t established himself in the majors yet. Isn’t Pineda more of sure thing and with just as high of a ceiling?
by Baseball North on Jan 13, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
well, it is a lot easier to be victor martinez than frank thomas
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
If Montero is going to be one of the five best hitters of his generation, totally worth it.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
lulz
.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
no
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btho Iowa State
Does this set up a King Felix deal?
Montero has to be 1-2 years further out than Pineda – basically this makes the M’s worse in the near term, though potentially better a bit further down the road.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
If they were going to trade Felix I'd think they would've held on to Pineda
But they do have Hultzen coming
Yanks apparently offered the farm for Felix and the M's declined. That's the deal the M's should have made, of course; but, hey, fuck them.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
On paper, yes.
But somebody has to care about the bottom line.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
Seems like a huge win for the Yanks to me
Obviously Seattle needed to try and get some offense, and Montero has potential. But he’s basically a DH.
Pineda is a sicko.
Indeed.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Strong reaction so far from other teams: Some execs from other AL East teams believe Yankees just made an incredible trade.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
sure looks thata way
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
well, given that the Yankees had some solid depth at catcher
this is a great trade for them. They didn’t really need Montero, he almost didn’t even fit, and now they have a guy who will easily slot into their #2 slot.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Snark and FB are in the "Yankees sign Prince" category now.
Of course Snark thought our payroll would be $105M, so…
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Prince is going to DH?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
That's their concern.
I don’t buy they pay that much for ANY DH.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'll bet he gets less anti-DH if the Yankees are the only team to show him the $.
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I was so wrong about the payroll.
I am so happy about that.
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They could have used Montero at DH in 2012...
..just not as much as they could have used an awesome #2 pitcher.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
Wow. CC and Pineda won't be much fun in the postseason.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
What a weird trade for the Mariners...
Is that seriously all they could get for Pineda/Campos? A future DH? I guess that’s the cost of getting young hitting in Safeco. Much like getting pitching in Arlington costs a premium.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 13, 2012 7:04 PM CST reply actions
I thought they were supposed to get Votto and Grandel for Pineda
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 13, 2012 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Well played, Mr. Morris.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get this from a Mariners standpoint
Pineda has TORP stuff, and proved that he could pitch at that level for part of the season. He wore down like most young pitchers do, but I suppose Montero has a lot of upside if he remains at catcher. If he goes to 1B, I have my doubts that he’ll live up to that position.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
He might not even stick at 1B
DH
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btho Iowa State
It's easy for Mariners to get solid, low cost pitching that's effective in their ballpark
It’s incredibly difficult for them to find any kind of offensive players…
by MikeEl on Jan 13, 2012 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh, Nolan Ryan on MLB channel
“well, Yu is bigger than I thought. Hes built like a pitcher…speaks alotta aaanglish”
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:06 PM CST reply actions
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jay_jaffe J
The Yankees are NOT going after Prince Fielder. Not sure what they do for DH, but it pretty obviously ain’t that given longer-term $ issues
Good, good
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 7:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who knows.
I really am buying the “money is tight” for the Yankees.
But it doesn’t make any sense.
But even then… I can’t see them spending that much on a DH unless a Steinbrenner makes Cashman do it a la Soriano.
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Wow
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The Mariners have to think that Montero can catch to do this
ergo
they went full fucking retard
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btho Iowa State
Would you guys...
Trade Profar straight up for Pineda?
no
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
Nope
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Interesting..
With Andrus in tow, I would think about it. What about if we weren’t likely to land Yu?
we dont land Yu and we get Feilder
I dont believe in trading a player just because you already have a stud there
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
really?
I do that in a heartbeat. Pineda is at the ML level and Profar although talented is in A ball. There is no question which has more value
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
yes, more value NOW
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
The Mariners just showed that they priced Pineda at Montero
Profar is more valuable than a power hitting designated hitter
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btho Iowa State
Exactly
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
but Profar isn't more valuable than a TORP talent that has already reached the bigs
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Pineda had a 3.4 WAR as a rookie
3.42 FIP, 9.11 K/9, 2.89 BB/9. That’s pretty damn good for a veteran, let alone a rookie
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Did you read what he wrote?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
the question in the beginning was
Would you trade Profar for Pineda straight up? Saying where the Mariner’s priced him is inconsequential. I would make that trade
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Where the Mariner's and the Yankee's ended up pricing him is the best evidence we have of his value.
And that value is < Jurickson “The Son” Profar
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
yeah, and everyone thinking the Yankees got a steal here has nothing to do with anything
it’s not always a fair trade, and it doesn’t reduce the value of the type of pitcher Pineda is
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
You seem to think that Pineda's "value" can be objectified in a way that allows you to measure his "value" against the "value" of Profar and others.
This is not the way “value” works. It’s one of the few things the Austrians got right.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Yep.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Meh,
#6org
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
you guys act like Profar is already an allstar SS in the bigs
he could very well get to that level, but c’mon he is in A ball. He is a top 10 prospect in baseball, but so was Montero. I’m not sure where Montero falls right now but he is also at the ML level. There is value to that. Also, we’d get likely 3 years, maybe 2.5, of Pineda before Profar would even reach the big leagues.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Why not trade Profar for someone better than Pineda?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
sure, why not
but it isn’t happening straight up
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
You could do a lot worse than Pineda.
He has 2 years of pre-arb time left for shit’s sake. You’d have him under team control every year you’d have Darvish.
In surplus value...
I’m not sure how many pitchers would be more valuable than Pineda not named Matt Moore.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm not talking about surplus value. I'm talking about better pitchers.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Surplus value allows you to allocate the saved resources elsewhere.
Like signing Yu Darvish.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Probably not, but I'd be tempted
Ogando would be in the pen… but just theoretically imagine a Darvish-Pineda-Holland-Ogando-Feliz rotation.
Thats quite the high upside flame throwing locked up 3-6 years rotation…
Erin Heatherton for Katie Holmes
Nah
by dolphinpuncher on Jan 13, 2012 7:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Pineda is much different from Ogando
He is 23 and put up a 9.1 K/9 as a starter.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I'm just saying!
It might have been a good idea to sell high. But the Mariners didn’t really do that, they just sold.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 13, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
Both are two pitch starters with average fastballs around 95mph
Last year Ogando had a WAR of 3.6, Pineda a WAR of 3.4.
Both had GB% around 36%
Ogando had a better HR/FB, 7.8% to 9% despite Pineda pitching in Safeco and Ogando pitching in RBiA
Ogando was great last year
but a 6.7 K/9 vs 9.1 K/9 aren’t close, which tells you that he’s possibly more effective at missing bats. Either way, Pineda is 23 to Ogando’s 28. That is a big difference, and he has more time to get another pitch if necessary.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
And I would argue that Ogando has only been pitching professionally for 2 years
and has at least as much of a chance of developing another pitch. In 2010 Ogando also had a k rate over 8, so it’s not like he’s incapable of striking people out. I would guess that as a starter he learned to approach batters differently, something that Pineda may still have to learn.
in 2010 Ogando was a reliever
Pineda has never been a reliever. Why would he have to learn to approach hitters differently? Ogando had never really started until last year.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Because in the minors Pineda could just blow hitters away with his fastball
he won’t be able to do that in the majors longterm.
he's 23
he’ll be able to do it for longer than Ogando would, and he is already better at it than Ogando is
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
There is one year difference in their team control
and Ogando’s arm actually has less mileage on it than Pineda.
Probably
Though he doesn’t fit very well if the Rangers sign Yu. I’m not convinced Pineda gets much better than 5 WAR, but…
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 8:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm pretty sure you find room for a guy like Pineda.
People would do handstands if, next year, Feliz put up numbers anywhere resembling Pineda’s rookie year.
by LiamP on Jan 14, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know about handstands,
but yeah, I’d take it.
It seems like it would make more sense, given this current team, to wait and let Profar develop and trade him for a higher ceiling guy once he hits AA or AAA.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
I think I consider that roughly Feliz' ceiling this year
If Feliz is a 2 WAR pitcher, then I think we have to cast aspersions on this whole ‘he can develop in the bullpen’ idea [not that we haven’t already savaged it].
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
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If Feliz is a 2 WAR pitcher, then I think we have to cast aspersions on this whole ‘he can develop in the bullpen’ idea [not that we haven’t already savaged it].
WAS ABOUT TO SAY…TOO LATE FOR THAT SHIT.
TELL IT TO THE DUCK
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
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http://www.bbtia.com/home/2011/3/28/stats-starters-scouts-and-scales.html
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:03 AM CST up reply actions
This is the take home the bear's ignoring:
But I’ll leave you with this thought: if whatever the Rangers might be passing up in terms of production in 2011 bothers you far less than the setback to Feliz’s overall development – his lost WAR, if you’d like – then you should consider what larger issue this might point to in the Rangers’ front office and farm system. You should also remember what you were thinking when Feliz was promoted in 2009, and designated the full-time set-up man (and, quickly, the closer) a year or so ago.
Certainly, there was grousing from some quarters about the risks of Feliz becoming entrenched in the bullpen, and the cost to his development. But be honest with yourself: in 2009, when you watched Feliz explode onto the major-league scene, were you really asking yourself whether this was hurting his long-term value? Were you prepared to see Feliz go back to Oklahoma City in 2010, to work on his secondaries in hopes of a brilliant starting campaign this season?
I mentioned this the last time I wrote about the Feliz-as-2011-closer scenario, but I think it’s worth repeating: if you think keeping the young gun a reliever this season is a huge, moronic mistake largely because of what it means for his future development, don’t you have to seriously question the intelligence behind the way the Rangers have handled him over the last 30 months as a whole?
It’s not an entirely unfair question, but I’m not quite ready to press it. Given the Rangers’ apparent success in merging stats and scouts – to the extent that at least one saber-type has labeled them “boring,” at least with regard to statistical analysis – I’m inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. It may not be as satisfying as ripping the front office a new one, but who knows? Maybe it’ll make you feel more Feliz, anyhow.
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I am not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:08 AM CST up reply actions
That's fine.
But LiamP is right. I’ve been questioning the Rangers’ handling of their young starting pitching prospects for a while, now.
And this article was specifically written about the decision to keep Feliz in the bullpen in 2011, not to bring him to the big leagues as a reliever…
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That's fair.
I strongly, strongly disliked that decision at the time and you provided a contrary, though exercise to show how it might be ok. For it to work out, we would need to expect more from Feliz in as starter in 2012 than we would have in 2011.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:12 AM CST up reply actions
In retrospect, Feliz at AAA as a starter in 2011
would probably have been the best idea, right?
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Yeah,
for a month or two.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:15 AM CST up reply actions
Depends on injuries.
I think you and I have a disconnect on how ‘ready’ we need a prospect to be before he starts, given team need.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:19 AM CST up reply actions
I think it's more likely
that you and I have a disconnect on team need.
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For last year?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:24 AM CST up reply actions
Last year they ended up having
quite good fortune in terms of starting pitcher health.
Also, there’s no way anybody expected Ogando to be that good.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:26 AM CST up reply actions
This doesn't make sense.
You agreed that in retrospect, it would’ve been a good idea for Feliz to be at AAA at the beginning of 2011. You added that it would’ve been for a month or two.
I simply said “At least, maybe more.”
Sure, if the Rangers starters had been less healthy, or if Ogando had tanked, Feliz would’ve been a likely call-up.
But if that didn’t happen — if, as it turned out, the Rangers starters were relatively healthy, especially to start the season, and Ogando performed well — then there really wouldn’t have been a team need to promote Feliz as a starter after a month or two.
Do you think that’s a bad assessment of the team’s need?
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I think we agree here.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:36 AM CST up reply actions
Do we? I'm still not sure.
In my mind, the Rangers’ bad decision about Feliz, if there was one, was made heading into 2010.
By 2011, they were pot-committed. They didn’t have as strong a hand as they should’ve, because of a decision they’d already made — but conditioning on that decision being made, I think they did what they could do.
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I think we agree
about the time frame Feliz absolutely needed needed vs. really could have used.
I do wish they had prioritized his training and development more [like the Rays did with Price].
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:49 AM CST up reply actions
Me, too.
Right, I have to get some sleep. Hope all’s well on your end…
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Also:
You’re assuming Feliz would’ve flourished at AAA, as a starter, in his first couple months — or, at least, that his secondary pitches would’ve flourished.
But this is a young guy who was just Rookie of the Year, and who wasn’t even confident about wanting to start in 2011 in the majors, during the spring. And yet there’s a sense that he’d have found success as a starter after being sent down to AAA — within, say, 10-12 starts?
Color me unconvinced of that. I think it’s possible — even likely — that Feliz would’ve been pissed at being demoted, for a variety of reasons, and that should the Rangers have actually made that move (which, by the way, I don’t think they were ever, ever going to do), they would’ve had a situation on their hands.
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You're looking at it from Mar 15 onward.
They should have done this past offseason what they did this offseason. Tell him that his time as closer was done, get ready to start, and then went and fortified a bullpen that already could have used more help.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:41 AM CST up reply actions
I still don't think he'd have been ready.
I still think he’d have needed time at AAA, and that he’d likely have been aggravated about that, and that there was very, very little chance the Rangers were going to send him there.
I also don’t see persuasive evidence that Feliz wouldn’t have had mixed feelings about starting even if the Rangers had approached him about it earlier.
In fact, I don’t know that there’s evidence that the Rangers didn’t approach him about it earlier, or that they weren’t working on bullpen pieces earlier.
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And, on top of that,
I don’t know that I believe Feliz is ready to start this season. I’m very nervous about what we’re going to see from him, and I think he’s going to have to do a lot of learning at the big-league level. Now, the fact that he took lumps last season might help. But there’s a part of me that thinks that in a perfect world, he’d start this season at AAA. Alas, we don’t live in a perfect world.
I do wonder what happens if Feliz doesn’t perform well as a starter in Spring Training, but I have a strong guess.
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I'm going to break a laptop?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:50 AM CST up reply actions
I think his mixed emotions
reflect ambivalent leadership.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:50 AM CST up reply actions
Could be.
I don’t know. I’m still not prepared to rip the front office a new one over all of this, but I do have a lot of questions.
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And this article was specifically written about the decision to keep Feliz in the bullpen in 2011, not to bring him to the big leagues as a reliever…
Right. This point…
don’t you have to seriously question the intelligence behind the way the Rangers have handled him over the last 30 months as a whole?
Is exactly what I question. Same with Holland. I don’t question the decision to start either one in the ‘pen. I question the decision to leave them there (in the case of Feliz) or yo-yo them back and forth (in the case of Holland). What’s worse is that they could never figure out whether or not they wanted Holland to be a guy who went for 2-3 innings like Feliz did initially, be the long man, or be a 1+ inning guy.
Look at videos of Feliz’s breaking pitches when he first came up and compare them to where they were in 2011. To my untrained eye, it sure looks like they’re not as sharp.
Don't disagree with any of that.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:15 AM CST up reply actions
I agree.
But as I wrote, Coles and Parks were saying that coming into 2011, Feliz’s off-speed stuff wasn’t ready for prime time, as a starter.
My point’s that unless you were ready to see Feliz sent back to the minors in 2011 to work on his starting repertoire, the really head-scratching decision wasn’t the decision to keep him in the ’pen in 2011: it was to make him the full-time closer in 2010.
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I don't disagree with any of that. In fact, that's my point in it's entirety.
When he was made into a closer in 2010, his offspeed stuff was never going to develop properly. The guy even got specific instructions from his manager to stop bullshitting with his offspeed and focus on the FB.
Yeah, I think we're on the same page.
I just wanted to be clear because I’m not sure Pras is reading what I wrote the way I meant it.
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I can excuse them with CJ.
Dude’s command was just abysmal.
Hultzen in the third round is ridic.
Jobu should be ashamed of himself.
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Some of the reaches helped a lot. Rentz has done really well for himself (all luck obviously).
I have 2 names targeted for my next pick. I know for sure that 1 will get to me, the other not really.
LSU Ranger already has that slotted for his third round pick.
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Lol no.
Just making fun of his Leonys reach.
I like being a homer too… but come on.
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FUCK THAT SHIT.
IN THE SOSDIRKATRON LEAGUE, THE MAN WHO DRAFTS MIKE OLT WILL BE CURSED FOR LIFE.
It's going to be interesting for sure.
I anticipate quite a slowdown.
Meh
I already have 2 pitchers that might be called up this year. I can’t have 3 rookies SP’s in my roto.
The .258 BABIP and 36.3 GB% give me some pause.
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Yeah,
but age, stuff, all on his side.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
Age certainly is.
Stuff depends somewhat on his change, right?
I’m not saying I wouldn’t lean toward pulling the trigger on a Pineda-for-Profar deal, but in the Rangers’ ballpark (as in the Yankees’)… and with his issues against lefties… I don’t know that it’s as much a slam dunk for me as some other folks here seem to be indicating.
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Yeah, I don't disagree,
that’s why I said probably. Still, I’m more confident that he can figure out how to adjust and be a good pitcher given that fantastic movement on his fastball than I am that Montero sticks at C.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
Well, that's a different question.
I think the Yankees pulled off a heckuva trade, here — but they’re in a different position than the Rangers, obviously, and so you can’t really compare Pineda-for-Profar to this deal, right?
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Oh, ok.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:00 AM CST up reply actions
I think Profar has the potential
to be a centerpiece that nets a better pitcher, yes.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure I get your
confident projections about Pineda. What do you think he his?
I think I've made that clear?
A guy who may regress a bit next year but still has the potential to be a 5 WAR pitcher?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:05 AM CST up reply actions
A 5 war pitcher
is a solid to above average #1, not too far from ACE production (say 5.7war+). You think Profar has the ceiling to be a top 5 shortstop in the majors, 5-6 WAR? No way. Much less likely than Pineda being a 5-6 WAR pitcher IMO.
As far as Pineda regressing, he had all of 12 starts in AAA in 2010 and a 3.42 FIP his age 22 year in 2011. His changeup is better than Ogando’s ever was or likely ever will be. An optimist would say: Pineda learned a lot last year and will be a better pitcher in 2012 and his change will get better yearly.
And there is a reason why projections are not optimistic.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think I've made any projections for Profar?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
why is this a question?
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by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 1:21 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I don't know, maybe I have somewhere else that I didn't realize.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:21 AM CST up reply actions
I bet that dude prashanth made one
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by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 1:26 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Like that's even a real thing.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:27 AM CST up reply actions
about as real as a garoon
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by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 1:31 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I don't know that I care to
given how particularly moody you seem this evening (morning).
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:23 AM CST up reply actions
I agree Pineda has the potential to be a solid-to-above-average number one
if he develops his change. I don’t see what Ogando has to do with anything, but maybe I missed something.
But:
You think Profar has the ceiling to be a top 5 shortstop in the majors, 5-6 WAR? No way.
I don’t see where your confidence on that evaluation comes from. “No way”?
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He could also regress in A+ and lose value.
Dude just completed low-A ball and you have the opportunity to trade him for 5 years of a beast like Pineda? Profar’s great but you’d have to be absurdly bullish on his ceiling and his ability to reach it to say no.
Honestly,
it’s not that I’m THAT bullish on his ceiling as it is that I think his hype will hit that stratosphere.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 1:06 AM CST up reply actions
I'm mad that you've ruined his career by selecting him.
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Have you seen my keepers bruh?
It’s a cavalcade of pears. Just non-stop pears from every angle.
Hos/Lawrie/Eva/Verlander/Weaver
THO I’M STILL PISSED AT AQUA FOR HANDING YOU WEAVER.
I got Tex/Ackley/Hambone..haven’t decided on the last two. Just read Rentz questioning if we’re going to do the league this season. Silly Rentzington.
I'll figure out who's willing to return and replace from there.
Of course there’ll be a pear league.
When you say Pineda's a beast, what do you mean in numbers?
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I'll allow it.
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Like make believe creatures are recognized by the court.
Please.
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I liked that he was 6th in K% in the MLB b/w Verlander and Lincecum
in his rookie season, while walking less than 3 per 9
I was more referring to his size and pure stuff.
He’s a 23 year old that can command a 75FB. That’s such a rarity.
Absolutely.
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Eww.
Not a fan at all for the M’s. If they were going to give up Pineda seems like it should have been for someone who can field a position… if he ends up as a DH hes not going to be worth much WAR.
I havn’t actually seem him catch though…
Eventually Montero could become a DH
but that wont happen for years. Is this trade that bad if they get a good 5+ years of a big bat and plus defense behind the plate?
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:17 PM CST reply actions
Most think
Montero can’t play C at all. He could easily be the DH for Seattle.
They aren't going to get plus defense behind the plate...
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 13, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
ok, how about the bat with replacement level defense?
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
you're way way off
he is legendarily bad defensively
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btho Iowa State
think Ryan Doumit
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btho Iowa State
oh god
I thought he was serviceable behind the plate…not Doumit bad
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
no bueno
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
WHICH FIFTH ROUNDER ARE YOU TAKING THIS TIME?
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Lol.
I’d be terrible. I’ve done no research.
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O UR RIGHT.
HE WILL PROBABLY END UP IN THE PEN, I AGREE.
wait whuuuu
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting.
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CC/Pineda/Nova/Kuroda/Burnett
Am I missing someone?
Hughes
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is hughes still hurt
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btho Iowa State
Ah, gotcha.
You listed CC first, so I went off that
by DFWTrojanTuba on Jan 13, 2012 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Thats quite the starting rotation overhaul
without giving any big contracts.
They look pretty scary again.
They never didn't look scary.
I never understood why people thought they weren’t.
That bullpen is sick too.
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CC, Pineda, Kuroda, Nova, X
I mean really, only CC is built for that stadium
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are there numbers yet on the Kuroda deal?
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
10 M 1 year
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What's up, B?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
Not much, how’s life?
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Good, breaux.
Trying to decide if the Mariners getting worse here (making the playoffs easier) is enough to overcome the Yanks gettin better.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
I can't comprehend this trade
I know that sounds funny, but it’s crazy. The Mariners are just an odd team.
I like the deal for the Yankees, but I can’t help but feel bad for Montero
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Hahah.
I keep coming back to this. They said Montero didn’t perform up to his potential in AAA because he was bored…and now he’s supposed to be enthralled about playing in Seattle????
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
I hear it rains there. like all the time
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Maybe he likes the rain.
Maybe he’s a JamesFrancophile
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
I see those words
but I don’t understand them
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by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:35 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Are we really that scared of Kuroda?
how much better can he be than 2010 Bartolo or Garcia?
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damn, the top of the AL is going to be pretty stacked this year
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Scattered, chunked, and covered too
/prince
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Have gotten e-mails/calls from six team re:Pineda trade, and all are stunned the Yankees got Pineda.
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Shots fired Jeff Wilson
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Just in case there is any confusion, let me assure you: Rangers talk with Fielder is indication they are interested in signing Yu and Prince
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ok
forget Justin.
Bring on the princely one.
As long as it’s not more than 6 years
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FIREBAT SEAL OF APPROVAL
GET SHIT DONE JD
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Just make sure Josey doesn't approve of it
Then it will be doomed
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 7:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Did JD do it?
then there’s no worry about that
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Yeah
You’re right
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 7:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
There we go. There we go. See how easy that was?
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I'm with Yu
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 9:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
MORELAND IS A BAT
Joelsherman1
With Pineda and Kuroda, would now not be surprised if another shoe drops in which Yanks trade someone like Hughes for a bat let’s stay tuned
Moreland *is* a bat.
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Round Rock
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Nah
He’d probably have to crack the Frisco rotation first
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I am not a fan of Hughes
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
he's been good out of the 'pen
i’m not looking at his stats or anything, but I may trade Murphy for him if we could sign another OF cheap like Cody Ross
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Yankees’ rotation now: Sabathia, Kuroda, Pineda, Nova, and somebody out of Burnett/Garcia/Hughes competition. Time to re-do power rankings.
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I wonder what Ben Cherington is doing right now.
Probably calling up Jack Z and telling what a terrible person he is.
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When I initially read this, I was wondering
Why Ben Cherington would be calling Jay-Z
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 7:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The American League is going to be amazing next season...
Except for the Central. No one gives a shit about the Central.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 13, 2012 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
but the twi... but the whit.... yeah your right.. nobody gives a fuck about the central
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
from Pinstripe Alley
The one year deal will pay the Japanese right handed pitcher $11-12 Million over one season. The Yankees hinted at a potential deal when they hired Kuroda’s translator with the Dodgers, and the deal became even more likely when Kuroda lowered his demands to a one year contract,
Everyone
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This.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
But I'd rather have Dunn than Burnett.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
whoa? really? fuck.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
adam dunn is finished.. that was the most painful season i have ever watched
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't really want either player, but I gotta think Dunn will do better this year than last
Burnett I only see going downhill. On the other hand, isn’t there still a lot more left on Dunn’s contract that Burnett’s?
didnt dunn sign a 4 year deal?
i think burnett has 2 years left
by studcrackers on Jan 13, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
i wanted him last offseason too.... WHOOPS
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
HEY when are the royals going to be good? people keep promising the royals will be good
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 7:43 PM CST reply actions
the answer: NEVER
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'm debating between Nellie and Hosmer as my sixth (and final) keeper in a traditional 5x5 roto dynasty league this year...
CS,B
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Kauffman stadium is killing Hosmer
i think like 3 of his 17 homers came at home
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
I'm weighing that very fact against Nellie's inability to stay healthy.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Because it's ... a traditional 5x5 roto format?
This isn’t real life.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Even in traditional 5x5, you have a guy with the upside of a Tier 1 1B who showed a great deal of promise in his rookie season.
VS. a guy the wrong side of 30 with string cheese hamstrings.
THIS IS THE YEAR MAN!!!
You gotta get up mighty muthafuckin' early in the mornin' to fuck with me - Wash
by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
So what we have here is...
Rangers
Angels
Boston
Yankees
Willing to play big boy baseball and the rest of the league sitting on the porch with the puppies.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
And the 2012 world champs will be ... the Rockies.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Nah. Dodgers.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Probably the fuckin Padres or some bullshit
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
MIAMI
THEY PLAY BASEBALL AND HAVE A COOL HR STRUCTURE AND AWESOME MASCOT AND STUFF!
by dumdum000333 on Jan 13, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
And that tacky shit in CF?
What. The. Fuck.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Is this power rankings?
I’d say
Rangers
Angels
Yankees
Rays
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Nah, B.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
mebbe
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
O HE MAD
LookoutLanding
One should note that young hitters usually improve as they age, while young pitchers do not
dave cameron right
he was probably touching himself as this trade happened. he doesn’t really care for Pineda
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
What about young right-handed hitters playing half their games in fucking SafeCo?
They will have Montero for a year longer, but still, if I had to pick which one will be more valuable to that club in that park… it’s Pineda.
Look, this is a bad time to buy cocaine anyway. With the market how it is, it is better to rent cocaine.
And they gave up the better throw-in guy...
seemingly.
And it’s for a guy who projects as a DH.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 13, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
How long to we have to wait
before we can start #6org trollin?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
I don't understand how you can properly value sexual orientation, Poppins.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
I expect exactly this sort of compliment from a Brit.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
For the Mariners Pineda's production is probably still much more replaceable internally
than the possible offensive output they could get from Montero.
uh huh... sure.... whatever
Buster Olney@Buster_ESPN
Kuroda signing is an extra expenditure approved by the Steinbrenners; they will not have to move salary (i.e. Swisher) to fit in his deal
x
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
yankees redo rotation, but need a hitter. pena is one they are considering. on @CBSSports. tinyurl.com/782wdqc
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
that would be a good fit in that park
a mendozian BA is a tough pill to swallow though
You gotta get up mighty muthafuckin' early in the mornin' to fuck with me - Wash
by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with you. I can see them pursuing Fielder
But even without that they’ve done a hell of a job this winter
by Professor Ch@os on Jan 13, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
I do....if there was talk that a deal for Kuroda would have to be facilitated
by a move of Swisher, there is definitely something to the theory that the Yankees are watching their budget now. You never heard anything like that a few years ago…..
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
I can't figure them out
They’re charging ~$1,513,456.37* for tickets, but then they’re talking about cutting salary and getting below the luxury tax..I don’t even know what’s going on. I’d be pissed if I were paying ~$1,513,456.37* as a Yankee fan though…even more pissed if I were paying ~$1,513,456.37* as a non-Yankee fan to the Yankees org.
*approximate
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
I do
And I’m a Yankees fan
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Have fun with the Orioles EJax
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Market ripples: Yankees’ deals are not good for Edwin Jackson, a pitcher the Yankees liked — but not as much as Pineda.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Why wouldn't Toronto make a play?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Or did they give up about an hour ago?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
haha, looks like Boras is losing badly this offseason
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
who can he package him with this year?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Really, Buster?
The Yankees liked Pineda better than Jackson? I am shocked.
by Melanie on Jan 13, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahah.
Underrated. Rec for you.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
Pineda or Nova
You gotta get up mighty muthafuckin' early in the mornin' to fuck with me - Wash
by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 13, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'd say it looks like this
CC-Pineda-Kuroda-Nova-Hughes/Burnett
Anyone wanna take Garcia out of the picture?
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It's a good lineup.
Not even that pricey. I’m not sure I buy Kuroda in that ballpark, but that deal is pretty cheap.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
I like it
Before tonight we had
CC-Nova-Burnett-Hughes-Garcia
It’s a lot better now
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"Every day is a great day for hockey."
Damn.
In case anybody had any doubts, it’s so good that Yank fans are being conservative.
‘a lot’ he says
lulz
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
Ha!
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"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball."
"Every day is a great day for hockey."
So Pineda and Kuroda each pitched in pitcher friendly parks last year
Good luck pitching in that little league park.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
They're going to get eight runs of support every game, though...
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 13, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
And wins is the the most important stat
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 8:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
z
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
One rival exec asks:“If Mariners liked Montero so much, how come they didn’t just trade Cliff Lee for him?… Pineda is worth more.”
Hey sexy
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
*sigh*
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
This is kind of what I predicted from the Yankees.
Make a trade for a young TORP potential starter they can potentially pair up with CC for years and then sign a veteran on a short deal. Didn’t foresee Pineda being the pitcher traded though.
Whelp this just means
The Rangers need to trade for Kershaw.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
don't get greedy
they’re just going to sign the prince
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
Unfortunately, he's completely off limits
The Dodgers are trying to find a buyer. They can’t jeopardize a sale.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
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It's a shame because the Rangers have what it takes to get him.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
The Yankees had what it takes to get Felix.
Doesn’t matter.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
True
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
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"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Haha, Over The Monster upon the Pineda trade:
“In before panicky calls for Kuroda. Actually, I’ll be first: sign Kuroda.”
Woops.
It just hit me I'm reading you guys talking about baseball without wanting to cry.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
it helps when a divisional rival does something that I deem retarded
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
So if Prince gets an opt out after 3 years...
Would it be possible for the Rangers to get a team option added at the end with a low buyout?
Of course then Prince would have to play just well enough to not want to opt out after 3, but also well enough that Texas wants to keep him an extra year, 3 years later.
So I think I just answered my own question.
by Wemedge on Jan 13, 2012 9:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
i say we give him a menu of options...
short deal big money… opt out mid money… long term low money
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 13, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
It seems so long ago that the Rangers signed Joe Nathan...
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 13, 2012 9:22 PM CST reply actions
so who is still in on Prince?
Rangers and Nate? NYY as a dark horse?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Toronto
Unless they’ve given up.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Supposedly the Cubs, Nats and Rangers.....
But there’s always room for a mystery team….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Cubs have to be out
Just traded for R to the Izzo
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but all I heard this afternoon was Cubs, Cubs, Cubs.....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 13, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
Don't have a DH
Venture in my general direction sibling with a hang down
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Nope.
Makes more sense to sell high on Garza
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 13, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yanks got more upside in this deal. That makes me ill.
Wow. Even with Montero, the M’s have a long way to go to catch the Rangers/Angels.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
it seems a 6 year 22 mill a year but opt out after 4 years would not be a bad deal at all
especially rangers could back-end the deal…. so that fielder would get 26 or 27 mill those years…… most likely it will end up with just restructuring his deal after year 4 for lower aav but longer term
by jonathan rigby on Jan 13, 2012 10:38 PM CST reply actions
So you say Yankees win?
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Undoubtedly.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
SUBJECT LINE
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:20 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Sorry!
Still getting used to that
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I am totally joking
I saw what happened at LOL and it made me laugh. yu can do what yu want
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:23 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Ohhh I see. Everyone seems to use subject line here, not sure of rules everywhere!
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"Every day is a great day for hockey."
The only real requirement for a subject line is on pictures.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
True. It's not required except pics,
but subject lines look better, and it blends in better with the rest of the comments.
Yeah...
That Cleveland blog is just weird.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 14, 2012 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
Incredibly.
That policy is even dumber than HH’s one fuck a month weird-ass shit.
by Arson55 on Jan 14, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the policy is no subject lines?
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:46 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
On the Cleveland blog's...
Yes.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Savages...
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
WHY? WHY WOULD YOU EVER DO THAT?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
by Aqua on Jan 14, 2012 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
calm down
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:48 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
you too
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:50 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I don't want you to ban me so you can be angry all you want
but just know I said calm down under my breath
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:52 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
munchies?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
not until my neighbors go to sleep
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:54 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
I really wish I understood this reference
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:53 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
You don't already work around the clock?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 14, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
don't get this one either
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:55 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Can interest you in a Dodge Stratus?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 14, 2012 12:56 AM CST up reply actions
is that all the same one
I sas the will ferrell skit years ago. been awhile. thanks for exploiting my ignorance
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:57 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
It's not from the same thing, no...
And I am sorry.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 14, 2012 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder who is in charge of keeping tabs on that or how they track it.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
TXHC said with a devious glint in his eye...
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
that would be the saddest trolling ever
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:49 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I wonder how their general lack of intelligence...
Prevents them from talking head first into oncoming traffic.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Troll master.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I love when he does it
makes me smile
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:50 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
He's the best troll here when he wants to be.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Adam Jong-Morris
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
by e2drummer on Jan 14, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely.
The Mariners are stupid for making this move.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
The Yankees win...
But if Montero turns out to be Edgar Martinez, I’m going to punch one of you guys in the ear.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 14, 2012 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
especially with the high upside
prospect in there. Campos could be pretty stout.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I like watching Prince swing the bat.
I’ve been fantasizing about his swing for like a week and a half. Every day I just visualize that rip where his bat looks like it weighs nothing and he launches a ball into orbit.
Do want.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yup.
Blalock’s swing was amazing when he first came up.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I admit
at the Rangers clearance sale a couple of months ago, I bought some Hank items
by Texas Jihad on Jan 14, 2012 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
I like Cruz's swing because of this
the bat looks like a toy
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:36 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Heh...you know how I know you're addicted?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
I think this is how crazy contracts get signed.
GMs do this.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:39 AM CST up reply actions
Someone fantasized about Jayson Werth...
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWwww
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 14, 2012 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
I thought he'd be one of those reasonable signings...
what the hell Washington. seriously, what the hell.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 14, 2012 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
Slumpbuster.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
they just need to turn the budget off of the settings
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:40 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
400
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
by Chrom on Jan 14, 2012 12:40 AM CST via Android app reply actions
I don't know, isn't this trade going to hurt Pineda a lot too?
The guy got a lot of Ks last year, but he’s basically a two-pitch pitcher. He tended to give up a lot of flyballs (about 70% of the balls in play were flyballs, if I remember correctly), something that shouldn’t bode well in the Yankees stadium. And he had a 3.74 ERA, it’s not like he was lights out. Wouldn’t it be conceivable that in a hitter-friendly park, with teams already having a full year of experience against him, he’s going to have statistically a worse season in 2012? Not to mention injury concerns…
Sure, he’ll probably get more wins than Bartolo Colon or A.J. Burnett, but I’m not sure this is such a slam dunk for the Yankees as people are making it out to be.
by CrisLander on Jan 14, 2012 5:25 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Very high K rate, low BB rate
I think he can succeed just about anywhere.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
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