Saturday a.m. Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 14, 2012 9:28 AM CST
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PrintSaturday morning, and for once, there's actually some Ranger-type news out there this weekend morning.
Jeff Wilson writes that, while the Rangers met with Prince Fielder yesterday, a source says Fielder is just a backup plan in case Yu Darvish doesn't sign.
Richard Durrett wonders whether the Rangers could afford to sign both Fielder and Josh Hamilton long-term, or if signing Fielder means letting Hamilton walk after the 2012 season. Evan Grant notes at the DMN that the Rangers have not made much headway with Hamilton on a contract extension beyond 2012, and it is unlikely that the Rangers could afford to sign both Fielder and Hamitlon.
One of the ongoing questions this offseason has been what the Rangers are going to do about centerfield, and Ron Washington says that there's going to be an open competition for playing time in center this spring, with Julio Borbon, Craig Gentry, and Leonys Martin all battling.
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Am I the only one..
Who would be totally okay with a Borbon/Gentry timeshare in CF?
by ZBTHorton on Jan 14, 2012 9:32 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
No
I pretty much expect that to be the case to start out the year. They’ll just figure out during ST how much time each one of them gets.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
As long as Gentry gets most of the playing time... Like all of it
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 9:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That wasn't a comment worth responding to
It was just irrational GFF Gentry love
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 9:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd be fine with it as long as they are just placeholding.
If Martin doesn’t show that he is indeed the future there, then I’ll be wanting to find something better.
I'd rather have Gentry get more time against RHP than a true platoon split.
Dat CF defense.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I agree with this
I’m all for Gentry in CF until Leonys is ready.
Gentry can walk just enough to more than likely not be a total sink at the plate, his speed should help his BABIP a bit.
And oooooh that defense.
by elvis1isking on Jan 14, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not advocating Gentry getting 500 PA or anything.
Just a ratio more like 50/50 in CF rather than the 30/70 he’d get as a RH in a platoon split.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That's what I'd like to see as well
until Leonys is deemed ready (July? August?)
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Is that the going word?
I hadn’t heard when they think he’ll be ready.
by lost in space on Jan 14, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
No one knows.
Not really any “word”.
He’ll compete in spring training for the starting job but probably go to Round Rock to work on things. Hopefully by the middle of the summer he’ll be ready… but that’s just a guess.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
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Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
that was weird
anyway, I meant to post that I was just guesstimating.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
oh I know
but I am.
I like Gentry and especially his defense enough that if he’s our everyday CF unless/until a better solution comes along I’m fine with that.
by elvis1isking on Jan 14, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
and I don't really like Borbon
so that plays into it too
by elvis1isking on Jan 14, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
That's probably what we'll have to start the season
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 14, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Martin a disappointment?
Based on what they signed him for, I have to wonder if he’s not progressing at the pace they thought he would. This spriing should say a lot one way or another.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
I expect it
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I wouldn't normally like it
But with the rest of the offense the way it is I don’t have a huge problem with it.
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Princely...
Kinsler
Young
Hamilton
Beltre
Fielder
Cruz
Napoli
Murphy
Andrus
by Wemedge on Jan 14, 2012 9:33 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Hamilton in center, which isn't the everyday lineup... but still.
by Wemedge on Jan 14, 2012 9:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Has to be one of the greatest lineups ever
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 9:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Gentry in center
MUrphy’s grit can’t mask the fact that he’s got little range
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
No way you bat Fielder 5th.
If you need to break up the lefties, move Hamilton to 2nd and Young to 3rd
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't think you're going to end up with Hamilton hitting 2nd, as a practical matter
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 14, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
Do you think they'll bat Prince 5th or just have the lefties back to back?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Given Ron's preference for Veteran-ness
I can’t see Prince batting anything but cleanup.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Andrus probably stays in the 2 in reality...
But a guy can dream.
by Wemedge on Jan 14, 2012 9:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why not?
Hamilton said he likes hitting third because he gets to bat in the first inning. Second shouldnt be a problem.
It's kinda weird.
I’d like to see it happen… But I think Wash and Josh both would raise an eyebrow.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Just gonna have to go against the gut and bat back-to-back lefties.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
The nasty LHP from the bullpen idea doesn't bother me when considering Prince.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Why?
Fielder had a 220 point OPS split last season, and a 189 point split for his career.
Why would you make it easy for the opposing manager by putting your only two quality LH hitters back to back in that lineup?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 14, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
In a single game, I wouldn't, but over the course of a year, I want Fielder to get as many ABs as possible.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I meant short series rather than single game.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
That doesn't make that much sense
You’re talking about getting him, over the course of a season, 18 extra plate appearances that instead would be going to Adrian Beltre.
The tradeoff is making it much easier for the other team to neutralize both him and Hamilton with a good lefty reliever.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 14, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
One of Josh's peculiarities...
Is that he has to bat in the first inning. It’s why he hits 3rd.
Prince is a hell of a lot better hitter… and it would drive me nuts to see him bat 5th.
Well… at least if we do sign him, it would just be for a year that he would be there.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It sucks to have Beltre bat 4th
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 9:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It would only be for one year.
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
with this lineup, Hamilton hits in the first inning alot:
Kinsler
Elvis
Fielder
Napoli
Hamilton
Beltre
Young
Cruz
Gentry
of course, he’s hitting with 2 men at least on. :)
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Hamilton has supposedly made clear he prefers hitting 3rd to hitting 4th
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 14, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
Just tell him that he'll hit in the 1st most of the time
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 9:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Then somebody needs to remind Hamilton
He’s not the coach
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
So, is Kuroda the #2 or #3?
I think he gets roughed up a little next year…moving from the NL to AL…moving from Dodger Stadium to the new Yank stadium…and seeing his HR/FB jump to 11.3% rate in 2011.
Will be interesting to watch…I"m a rootin’ for failure.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Grow up.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 14, 2012 11:45 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Joe 'n Angie
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 14, 2012 12:48 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
So, Jamison's email from this AM....so...wouldja?
On December 12, 2013, the Texas Rangers trade shortstop Elvis Andrus, lefthander Martin Perez, righthander Cody Buckel, and third baseman Christian Villanueva to the Los Angeles Dodgers for lefthander Clayton Kershaw and catcher Gorman Erickson.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I don't like the deal...
Because it’s talking about guys like Buckel and Villanueva two years from now.
Who knows where they’ll be.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Doesn't make sense to me
Kershaw would be a year away from free agency, which makes it seem like a tremendous overpay.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 14, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder if he had the date wrong.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah, I didn't even realize it was 2 years from now, just assumed he meant next offseason
Making a big deal out of a trade proposal 2 years away is really silly.
By then Who knows why Elvis will be
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 9:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Who knows....
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 9:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why the Who?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
I accidentally capitalized "Who" in the first comment
I was making fun of my incompetence.
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 9:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I thought you were about to tell us a story...
About there being no joy in Whoville. With Whoville being somewhere in Orange County, CA.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Come October, there willbe no joy who Whoville
Thats for sure
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 11:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Elvis would be a year away from FA
who would be more likely to sign an extension with the Rangers: Kershaw or Andrus?
Funny enough
I think it would be kershaw in a landslide. He’s from here, he’s lives here, we’re giving him a damn award this weekend. If the guy ever hits FA or we can acquire him, I’d be very confident he’d sign here long term. I’m also becoming more and more convinced Elvis is Jeter’s replacement.
by Sherman McCoy on Jan 14, 2012 1:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Possibly
Then again, that may be way overpaying by that time
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
How good is Erickson?
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 9:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
not unless the catcher is a stud
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
by t ball on Jan 14, 2012 9:46 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I ain't Jamey, yo!
He’s about to go on 103.3 and may talk about it..
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I'll take a shot.
Feb 2, 2012: Rangers trade Hamilton, Harrison, Profar, and Ramirez for McCutchen, Hanrahan, and a low-level guy.
It doesn’t really work all that well, but I’m not interested in spending much time on this.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Could some of our interest in the Princely One
be due to concerns over not only the health of Moreland, but Napoli’s ankle as well? And Face’s hands of stone at 1B.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
I doubt short-term health issues play a significant role in whether to sign Fielder
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 14, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
What if it were short term contract (1 Yr)?
I mean, I don’t think it really does either, but when people are slow to recover it is good to have contingency plans. This FO seems to cover all their bases.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
It was exciting to hear Fielder was in Dallas
but that seems initiated by Boras and Fielder, not the Rangers. Over the next week or so we’ll hear about several meetings with other teams as Boras tries to get something going. I don’t think the chances of Fielder coming here are all that much higher than I did yesterday morning.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I heard from the local beat writers that the Rangers may not even make a bid for Darvish.
Knowing that JD was sitting down talking to Prince and Boras is a significant step up in my expectations of signing him.
For most of the off season I thought it was about 1%… now I think it’s like 20%.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
To be more specific.
Much like the “we’re poor” smoke screen pre Darvish, the Rangers leaking info that shows their disinterest sounds like an attempt to give competitors something to think about before raising their offers. I don’t know how effective that is… but I take statements like “It’s plan B only” and “Boras wanted this, not the Rangers” with a massive grain of salt when it comes from known outlets of Rangers leaks. The Rangers gain no edge by making it look like they are pushing hard unless they just want to drive his price up.
Any “analysis” or word from a source has significant spin potential. Just like everything… take it with a grain of salt.
To me the most relevant bit is the factual piece that in mid January in a time where internal extension candidates and beat writers are saying everything is on hold until Darvish is done, JD and crew actually met with Fielder personally. They could have easily turned down a meeting like the Yankees did to C.J. if they had no interest.
I still think it’s unlikely he signs… but of everything we’ve heard… the fact they had a meeting means more to me than the spin from sources.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm not basing my thoughts on anyone's comments
just on the way it happened. I saw a report (Thursday, maybe) that Fielder was going to visit several teams, and the Rangers happened to be the first. I’m just using common sense.
Boras and Fielder requested a meeting, the Rangers aren’t going to say no even if they’re really not interested. But to me, the meeting only changes their level of interest if the vague discussion of terms was positive. I viewed the odds at 10% or so before the meeting. What was actually discussed in the meeting, which we can’t know, is the only thing that can move those odds for me.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Teams do say no.
The Yankees said no to C.J. I’m sure Boras contacted every team in the league to see what interest might be there.
The teams that don’t say no are the ones that have at least some interest, even if it’s minimal.
And considering that the Rangers have very explicitly and publicly stated that they have zero interest in any big 1B acquisition and Mitch Moreland is their guy and they’re behind him 100%, this very public acknowledgement of what everyone already suspected is significant to me.
Not so significant that I think it’s likely to happen… but I think things have progressed if the Rangers are willing to publicly even acknowledge preliminary interest. It’s not quite a full 180… but it is a very definite direction change.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't think it's that significant
partly because I never believed that there was zero interest in the first place.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Do you think this is the first contact regarding Prince and the Rangers?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No
I think they’ve kicked the tires already, despite what Ryan said today.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Me too.
And they’ve been able to do that without it being a spectacle and explicitly denying interest.
They could have continued that path if they chose… still talked but not publicly acknowledging it. Boras loves a mystery team.
The public acknowledgement is what is different and didn’t have to be done.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Someone must have unrecced it.
It only takes losing one if it’s right at the cusp.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Also consider...
The Rangers sent J.D., Nolan, Wash & Thad Levine to meet with Fielder during the first day of Fan Fest and while we’re nearing the deadline of the Darvish negotiations.
And apparently Thad (our contract guy) had dinner with them later that evening.
I think that’s a bit more than a courtesy meeting.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Stop making me think this is a real possibility.
by lost in space on Jan 14, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
I think it comes down to Prince being willing to take less money.
To come here. Much like we wanted Cliff to do compared to the Yankees. Instead Cliff took even less to go to the Phillies because he loved it there.
If Prince loves it here… he’ll be a Ranger.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I wonder, as I was proffered on the Ticket earlier
If they are asking UY to take a bit less money and Yuse some of that deferment to sign Princely.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
I think more likely
they’ll backload the shit out of Fielder’s deal, even if it’s a smaller one.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Exactly
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Im so tired of the "Prince as a back up plan" talk
Am I the only one who believes that there is a way to get both him and Yu.
I think the fact that he and Boras requested the meeting speaks volumes.
Or am I just a noob that needs to go back to lurking and leave the baseball talk to the grown ups?
by Sam Elliott's 'stache on Jan 14, 2012 10:05 AM CST via mobile reply actions
You are not the only one.
Bob Nightengale of USAToday is calling that we land both.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I've been saying it all offseason.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
One word--Moneypenis
We have it, we can whip it out. Especially with backloaded $. We can afford both (for now). The disconcerting question is what does that mean for Josh and perhaps Nellie, Ian, Elvis, et. al after that?
I do wonder if Boras/Prince are really looking now at a short and sweet deal that will get him back on the market when the market is better.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Why would he say anything different?
The moment he says they are considering it, short term deals is all they get
I like your screen name
so you’re ok w/me.
/highstandards
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by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 14, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
odds Prince signs with Rangers.... i still put it at 75-85%
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 10:21 AM CST reply actions
x
Jeff Wilson @JeffWilson_FWST
Nolan Ryan says meeting with Prince Fielder was very preliminary and just a feeling-out process. #Rangers
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So Prince got to feel the Moneypenis?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"It's so veiny!"- Prince Fielder
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
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by Aqua on Jan 14, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm trying to figure out what the angles are with this...
clearly chatting with Prince makes Yu’s team realize that Texas has some leverage; and talking to Texas can only induce a higher price out of other teams for Prince. But at the same time, it’s got to be more than just a mutually beneficial shallow relationsihp. Waiting doesn’t really seem to benefit Prince much; once Texas does sign Yu, he loses almost all of his “Texas may sign me if they don’t sign Yu” leverage…
So unless Texas is just stringing Boras along for their own purposes (which would be all types of awesome, given certain past inverse manipulations), something must be more legit here
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I think the Yu angle means nothing.
This has no impact on Yu IMO.
I think the Rangers are putting out an offer that they’re comfortable with to see if they can get him. Fielder will have to want to come here to take it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You want him? Come and claim him!
Really dumb comment since it isn’t in the book.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
I think the Yu deal is already done.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Jan 14, 2012 10:52 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think it has to be so close that the key elements have been agreed on.
For Nolan to say that he’s this optimistic publicly.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
i agree the Yu deal is about done and now
the FO is started with phase 2 of offseason..ducks starting to line up
yeah
Nolan said he didn’t expect to sign Beltre etc, and it happened 2 days later. This time, he’s optimistic about Yu. I’d think it’s pretty much done. I wonder what that number will be.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I think talking with Prince is just trying to see if the Rangers can get him on a high AAV, short term deal
If Prince is looking for a 1-3 year deal, I think the Rangers would have no problem with it. And hopefully this means that Yu is pretty much a done deal.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
That is what I'm thinking.
What might be good for the Rangers is a one year deal. That sets up a scenario where at the end of this year, you could resign Prince, resign Josh, or neither (or both actually). i.e. if Prince hits .330 with 60 HRs and Josh has another injury plagued season, they can sell resigning Prince and letting Josh walk.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
I think as Boras and Fielder requested the visit
it would be used as leverage to perhaps Washington or another club to try and get the best deal possible there. Boras knows he doesn’t have much leverage as is, especially since there seem to be so few suitors. Boras needs to create more of a market or at least the perception of a market for Fielder. It will be interesting to see what type of deal Fielder gets, and from whom. I don’t mind us signing him, though.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Of course they're going to say that
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
x
JeffWilson_FWST Jeff Wilson
Nolan Ryan’s wins prediction for 2012? “A little early to predict. The ballclub isn’t set yet.”
Indeed.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
wOah
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Jan 14, 2012 10:52 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
This is assuming Prince + Darvish I assume.
Though with both… 100 wins seems very very very possible.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Hmm.
I don’t think I could go that high with just Darvish.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Bow your neck, Stick.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 14, 2012 10:57 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
So...
112 with Darvish + Oswalt + Fielder?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 14, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
that seems optimistic
for almost any team, any year.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Oh man.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I can't wait to read the reactions on HH.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Bam.
TX_RANGERS_Gal A. Jones
@BenRogers Had dinner @ Cool River 2nite Sat next 2Prince Boras &Thad Told us he liked TX. Husband insisted he sign here #fingerscrossed
I like Steak.
TX_RANGERS_Gal A. Jones
@
@Evan_P_Grant sounds like fun evening! Pic from last nite. Hubby, Prince, Me (& r future TX Rangers…4mos prego) twitpic.com/878hpv
I like Steak.
by TxSportsFan on Jan 14, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Print the jerseys.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 14, 2012 10:56 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Excellent.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I bet the food bill was high!
I like Steak.
by TxSportsFan on Jan 14, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Damn, he looks bigger in street clothes.
by lost in space on Jan 14, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I know
It’s weird to think that in taller than him
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 11:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm*
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 11:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He should wear a foreverlazy all the time
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
I laughed
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 14, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Prince is only 4 mos prego?
Looks full term to me
by dumdum000333 on Jan 14, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
He seems like a nice guy
I can just see him teeing off on CJ like he did in the All-Star game. Oh, you thought I forgot about that CJ? Now that he’s an Angel I can fully blame him for the WS loss based on an inning in an exhibition game in July.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
Fielder has a husband?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
So, what is the latest MLB Insider tweet from 1059 am stating that someone new is in town visiting w/ mgmt?
Not an ESPN Insider.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 14, 2012 11:06 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Its from Rumor Central...
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 14, 2012 11:07 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
What the Tweet sounded like to me.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 14, 2012 11:13 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Wait, are we talking about an agent/player here?
I like Steak.
by TxSportsFan on Jan 14, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Guess who’s in Texas talking to #Rangers execs? http://t.co/BR93g8Qp
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 14, 2012 11:17 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
When you click on the link it shows a picture of Fielder
And they didn’t have any other tweets about him and Texas. I’m guessing they are late to the game.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 14, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Nice....
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 14, 2012 11:19 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
most likely.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
It's Fielder
but he just mentions the Giants as a team that can steal him away. Like I said, just scattershooting.
MAYBE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT SCATTERSHOOTING MEANT
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 14, 2012 11:21 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I like how Heyman
was still trying to insist that it is a very big field interested in Fielder yesterday. Right now I really think that there are two main players (Nats and Rangers) with another team lurking (Miami). Heyman aka the mouthpiece for Boras
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 14, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
nothing could be more true
Heyman aka the mouthpiece for Boras
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
From MLBTR
Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel tweets that the Rangers were impressed with how trim and fit Fielder looked in their meeting yesterday.
I like Steak.
That camera added about 30 elbows then.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 14, 2012 11:14 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Did your phone correct lbs to elbows?
by LiamP on Jan 14, 2012 11:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I prefer "street"
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 14, 2012 12:49 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
So let's say that the Rangers sign Fielder..
does that mean that Moreland is definitely gone or do they entertain the idea of keeping as a bench bat and sometime starter in right?
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
and yes
i know he is pretty atrocious out there
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 14, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
i would think they would pencil him in as a bench bat for sure
unless a trade presents itself
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I don't see how
Your bench is set up to be:
Backup catcher
UIF
Platoon CF
Murphy
There’s no room there for Moreland, unless you want to jettison Murphy. I guess you could get rid of the 2nd member of the CF platoon, but then you’ve got Moreland basically duplicating what Murphy gives you.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 14, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
i had forgotten about the platoon CF.....you are right tho
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I think you could trade Murphy
Moreland gives you worse COF defense, but I think you could expect that bat to be about the same. Except Moreland comes at a much cheaper cost and is young enough to hope that he can still improve some whereas Murphy is likely not going to see his value rise much going forward.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Why wouldn't you put Moreland in AAA for the time being?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 14, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
It depends on if you can get anything decent for Murphy
I think the Rangers could find a good trading partner for Murphy where both teams are happy. If not, and the team signs Prince, you pretty much are forced to have Moreland in AAA, but that wouldn’t be my preference. But I really don’t know that Moreland and Murphy are that different offensively from this point forward and one costs a lot more. Do you think that Murphy is significantly better than Moreland?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I don't think the Rangers
would keep Moreland over Murphy. Don’t let last year cloud your judgement of Murphy.
by RangerMad on Jan 14, 2012 11:50 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Its not just last year
He’s a 30 year old platoon hitter who will be making a few million dollars this year. He was really bad for most of last year, but my concern is more just what we can expect from him going forward. Its not like he was that great at his peak. Murphy’s value was as a good defensive COF who can hit righties well and was very cheap. If he’s not going to be cheap anymore and we have someone who you could expect to hit righties about as well, I don’t see why the Rangers would prefer Murphy over Moreland.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I don't think Moreland is a long-term option as a 4th outfielder
He only really plays one outfield position, and doesn’t play that all that well.
I’d rather let him stay in AAA, show he’s healthy, rebuild his value (because I suspect his value isn’t all that high right now), have him come up during the season if Cruz or Hamilton go on the d.l., and potentially be ready to replace Cruz or Hamilton in 2013.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 14, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
i agree to a point but im not comfortable with
bench..when best option is Torrealba its pretty bad..unless its after Aug then Murphy is finally warmed up..
After 2013.
This is his second arb year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So your choice is trading Murphy or Moreland and Gentry or Borbon....
Moreland has to have more trade value than Murphy….Borbon more trade value than Gentry? Also, by signing Darvish, they have an extra SP….
Trade chips…..Moreland, Borbon and Harrison?
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 14, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
you think those Moreland trade rumors to TB
fire up again if we get Prince?..Talk about Oswalt and Garza and signing Darvish make it clear FO isnt that convinced of SP..Feldman was afterthought til late in season last yr
Feldman is also #7 on the SP depth chart
With Martin Perez and Neil Ramirez at #8 and #9
I don’t see the Rangers having any interest in Oswalt or Garza, but if they were to add either of those guys, a current member of the rotation would have to be included in the deal.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 14, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
man...just saw Johan Santana salary for 2012 is $24 mil..
what a kick in the gnads for the Mets..lol
This is why you don't sign even middle aged pitchers to long term deals
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
haha....wowzers
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Snow Money Night at RBIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Must be there!
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Jan 14, 2012 11:24 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Parks and Goldstein are getting into it on Twitter
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 14, 2012 12:29 PM CST reply actions
Ninja thing makes me cringe.
Angels fans had been using that for Reagins.
don't know if spending 325 million dollars in one day is ninja
by jonathan rigby on Jan 14, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
when you buy a car and sign a car loan
you still spent the money on the car even if you still have the cash in your pocket
by jonathan rigby on Jan 14, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
You are comparing two not-like things.
The Angels committed that much money on that day. Their is a non-zero chance that they don’t end up spending that much money on those two players.
When did Tony Reagins spend $325M in one day?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
surprised you did not hear about it... it was kinda a big deal
by jonathan rigby on Jan 14, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'm more surprised you didn't hear bout this.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He was playing chess.
You were playing checkers.
Actually, check that: you were playing Go Fish.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
For those who don't know about the snow monkeys
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/42055/nolanryanticketstocksnowmonkees.mp3
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
I kind of got that vibe..
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
what was shitty about it? and wasnt it real expensive this year?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 14, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
did you go last year?
I had more fun when it was in the ballpark. Didn’t go this year because they only thing I was interested in was the Q&A with the players, otherwise you spend $20 to walk around a shit load of people standing in line for stuff I didn’t want to stand in line for.
by Colonel Travis on Jan 14, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't been in many years.
But this year they were doing lottery tickets for autographs. Plus they only allowed each player to sign like 170 or something. So basically I got there when it started (11:00) and got in line for Profar’s autograph. After about an hour I was told I wouldnt get an autograph. The food was super shitty too. They gave me a refund so I’m not pissed, but I wouldnt recommend going.
Son and I got lucky
Ended up winning the Nolan Ryan autograph lottery and then a lady that was leaving gave us her two numbers for Josh and damn if one of those didn’t win too!
The player Q&As were fun but I would agree that the lines for autographs were HUGE and Spring Training is a better experience.
by Aircooled on Jan 14, 2012 11:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
x
Evan_P_Grant Evan Grant
Joe Nathan really thinks Prince Fielder is going to end up a Ranger: bit.ly/yMLwT9
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
From the article
“I truly believe this is where [Fielder] wants to be,” Nathan said during a question-and-answer session at Rangers Fan Fest. “I think with the Yu Darvish thing, they have been waiting around, hanging in there to see what happens. I just really think [Fielder] is going to be here.”
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Is there a past between the 2 or is this just some random thought of his?
by lost in space on Jan 14, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Magic 8 Ball says:
“Yes Definitely” when asked if Prince is signing with Texas.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Joe Nathan loves the Rangers and believes everyone else should love the Rangers too.
I agree with his logic.
by cstorm15 on Jan 14, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Joe Nathan needs to be careful what he says,
or ninja assassins are going to disappear him before his first relief appearance for the Rangers.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Just read Jamey's report
I am now shaking my head over the insane SEA trade again.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Yeah, giving up the Sonics for nothing in return was pretty stupid.
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by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 14, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder if Jack Z is walking straight today.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
He's having the anti-JD career
a couple of great trades and extensions to start off the career; a few that were reasonable but turned out lousy, and then descending into bad trades and questionable draft picks
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
now I haz a sad again ;(
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We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Hey, wait.
The media just thinks by default the Rangers should be extending Hamilton, don’t they? This just occurred to me.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
Actually I think Grant argued against it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Really?
I find that fascinating.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
I got that same impression
from his article last Sunday
by RangerMad on Jan 14, 2012 4:34 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I don't think it's universal
but I do expect hand-wringing columns from Sherrington and Fraley if he’s not re-signed.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Kink
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 14, 2012 11:00 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
So conventional wisdom is that, assuming Darvish signs...
…he probably pitches Saturday for the 2nd game of the year so he can catch the last game of the M’s series, right?
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