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Rangers big week: 1 superstar or 2 coming?
2 coming.
I’m such a child. Anyway, I’m sure 250 million dollars is nothing for Bob.
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i wouldn't mind Spilborghs
would be a nice platoon partner for Murph.
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Are we carrying five outfielders now and only one true CF?
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5 OFs, yes
but that includes 2 of the 3 – murphy, borbon, gentry being benched. I think the only way we sign Spilborghs, is if we can get him on a minor league deal for a platoon with Murphy when one of our injury prone OFs goes down.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
He can, in the sense Murphy can play CF
He doesn’t play it well at all, though. And he also isn’t much of a hitter, so getting his bat out there doesn’t do anything to help that much.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
looking at his numbers
it is generally on the strength of his first 3 seasons. His last 3 seasons have not been good, and, in fact, have been steadily getting worse. His career OPS is .799 against lefties and .747 against righties.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
are we playing softball this season?
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 17, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Is this real life?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
One thing I learned from this
Is that Joel Hanrahan must be a Boras client, right?
Otherwise Heyman wouldn’t have called him a star…
"I wish I could tell you that TRangers fought the good fight, and the 2 strangers let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but Beaumont is no fairy-tale world." - bking
Hanrahan was an All-Star last season
so it’s not that ridiculous to call him one.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yeah after I posted that...
I went to go look at his stats and was pretty surprised at how good he did last year. I still think it’s premature to call a reliever with a couple of good years a star though – especially with how much volatility there is in that position, but I see your point.
"I wish I could tell you that TRangers fought the good fight, and the 2 strangers let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but Beaumont is no fairy-tale world." - bking
That whole thing is weird.
It kind of makes me wonder if the Rangers were being sneaky there for some reason….
…I just can’t think of who they would be trying to drive up the price for. Angels are out, same for Boston and NYY, TB and Oak can’t afford him, so….Seattle?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I think the Rangers are just sneaky as a habit, practice
They’re always pretty sneaky, why should we get excited about them being sneaky this particular time?
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Funny point, though.
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"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
pretty boss reliev
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Seems like the Rangers would've checked on the events at the hotel prior to their Prince meeting.
their clandestine meeting last week with Fielder at the Four Seasons in Dallas only leaked because the wedding of Pirates star reliever Joel Hanrahan (yet another star player the Rangers have tried for this winter) happened to be at the same hotel at the same time, so the players and agents at the wedding started telling people they had seen Fielder and/or agent Scott Boras with Rangers brass Nolan Ryan, Texas’ icon and managing partner, and GM Jon Daniels.
Or, maybe it wasn’t a misstep, but just part of the woo-ing of Darvish.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
How would they check that?
“Hey Four Seasons, are you having any weddings or events for anyone in the baseball business?”
Seems pretty random.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah, I can't figure it out.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Check your facebook, pls.
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So after the Rangers sign Darvish, Oswalt and Fielder, they then trade Harrison, M. Perez and Leonys to Pittsburgh for McCutcheon, right?
Really?
No
We have to give the rest of the league a fighting chance
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 17, 2012 10:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The hell we do!
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Wouldya? Would they?
Yes and Maybe, gives them a starter and future starter and a replacement for McCucheon (although not in the same stratasphere). But fans would rebel.
Then give that one guy season tickets or something to pacify him.
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The Pirates view McClutchen the same way we viewed Kinsler when we sucked, I think.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Except MuCutchen is better now
Than Kinsler was then at the same age.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
I was trying to come up with a parallel.
They were similar players by their 3rd year in the majors.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
McCutchen is less injury prone
but I don’t know that he is that much better after 3 seasons.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
After 3 seasons?
Maybe not.
But at age 24? Yes.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
Yu are taking this way too seriously.
My point was that the Pirates have an extra disincentive to trade him and would likely want an even more valuable trade package back than his future projection warrants because of how popular he is with their fans.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
If we sign those guys
then yeah, I would do that deal. McCutchen is really good. He has 3 more years of control left. I don’t think it would be possible to wrap my mind around that kind of lineup.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I tried to and then my pants exploded.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I've been bringing extra to work these days.
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it would look like a video game lineup
where you’re able to make unfair trades and stack your team…only it would be real life, and awesome
Mine would last longer than 4 hours.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
This makes me moist.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Hmm?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
he didn't say it wasn't likely
Rangers people have consistently characterized that possibility of a Texas superstar two-step as "unlikely,‘’ and a $300-million week would indeed be extraordinary for a team that isn’t in New York, Boston, Philadelphia or Los Angeles (or even Los Angeles of Anaheim). However, Texas, a team that recently had been receiving luxury tax payouts, is committed to winning and on the rise financially with its rapdily increasing TV and attendance revenues and relatively new oil baron owners.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
In addition to being a giant douchebag for pointing out completely irrelevant information and then using a negative stereotype for the new owners,
he also managed to completely befuddle the luxury tax system. Who’s surprised? thirtyfi-oh wait, no one.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
It seems like he loves taking jabs at Texas for some reason..
I truly cant stand him just for being a douche in general.
*befuddled his casual reference to the luxury tax system
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Ok. I understand what you are trying to say now.
But I don’t think you can use befuddle like that. You befuddle people. Like when you say something that confuses them. I don’t think you can befuddle a concept.
Hmm, ok.
Thanks.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Here are things we know.
We know that journalists both local (Wilson & Grant) and national (Rosenthal) wrote articles just before the Darvish posting period stating the Rangers were extremely cash deficient and would likely make a very small bid or perhaps none at all.
Then we find out the Rangers had a record setting bid of $51.7M.
This makes me think the Rangers are intentionally using outlets such as the beat writers and Rosenthal to artificially depress the market around players they are interested in.
Ben Rogers & Bob Nightengale, neither of whom I would characterize as “mouthpieces” for anyone (T.R. certainly is for the Rangers) are both pretty insistent that the Rangers can afford both Fielder and Darvish if they choose. Those are credible folks, Nightengale routinely has very good insider information and Rogers broke us getting Darvish hours before it was official and has been known to have good inside info on the Rangers before.
I’m not saying we’re definitely going to sign Prince. I’m not even saying we definitely have the money to.
I’m saying the Rangers clear attempts to mislead on the state of their finances and contradictory information from sources I believe to be credible is enough to not take T.R.’s statement at face value.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Please show me my exaggerations.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't see it.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
I think Ben Rogers had the story maybe 45 minutes before it broke
I don’t know that Bob Nightengale’s insider status has been proven other than he had the Darvish story first (by a few minutes). I don’t see how you can be sure of the “clear attempts to mislead on the state of their finances” when writers from both sides got the story wrong.
And beyond that, my point is different. Heyman, who this board has thought of as a Boras mouthpiece, had the opportunity to say that the Rangers are real suitors for Fielder. The best he could come up with is “most people don’t see it the Rangers have surprised us before.”
I don’t think anybody knows the exact state of the Rangers finances but I don’t know that it means that the Rangers are scheming to purposely release misinformation. At the very least, it makes more sense to do that stuff with Yu than Fielder. I can’t imagine the Rangers will be allowed to swoop in on Fielder without Boras shopping the bid.
I may be mistaken on when Rogers had the story first.
I know Jeff Passan at Yahoo who broke it nationally sat on it for like 3 hours until he got confirmation. I may be jumbling the times for those two items accidentally. Rogers definitely had it before it was confirmed.
Nightengale’s insider status has nothing to do with Darvish. He’s a national writer with sources. He breaks things all the time. I’m not aware of him having any sort of taint like Jon Heyman.
Do you think the Rangers did attempt to mislead Rosenthal, Grant & Wilson regarding what they were going to be able to bid for Darvish and if not, where did that information come from?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Nightengale is a good national reporter
but I don’t remember him having insider information about the Rangers before Darvish.
Also...
I agree that Boras will shop the Rangers bid. I think it’s unlikely Fielder signs here.
But the rumors (and this IS wishful thinking, though possible, unlikely) that Fielder REALLY wants to play here.
If Fielder has made up his mind he’s going to be a Ranger, it doesn’t matter if Boras shops the offer.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think Fielder wants to play here
but not so much that he can’t be convinced to play somewhere else, and not so much that he’d give up years and substantial money to do it.
Which is exactly why I think it's unlikely Fielder signs here.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And more to my point.
That’s the reason Fielder won’t sign… not because we’ll be completely tapped out by Darvish.
I think the Rangers would find a way to budget for Fielder if he agreed to terms they were comfortable with. You could pay him a smaller amount in 2012 and then let Hamilton walk freeing up a fair amount of money.
And I think it is possible they will sign him… but you can’t possibly expect a player to turn down a lot of money just to play somewhere. It does happen… but rarely.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I mean
I agree that the Rangers have some money to pay Fielder. Just not close to what he is asking for right now.
What do you think he's asking for right now?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I bet he's asking for $200M
The issue will be, when do he and Boras finally come down. I think every team in the league made clear they wouldn’t pay 200.
Ewe.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Then I think we agree on this.
The basis of the argument started on the “It’s Darvish or Fielder” I don’t think one had anything to do with the other.
I don’t think the Rangers would have overpaid for Fielder regardless.
Many have said it’s Fielder or Hamilton… and that makes much more sense financially.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I agree with this.
I get the feeling that the Rangers are offering 6 years right now. I don’t think they’re going to be the highest bid. I think the Nationals will end up offering one more year.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
I dont' think they've made any sort of actual offer yet
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
It seems to rarely matter where the player really wants to play
Very rarely are there hometown discounts. They exist but are outnumbered by “I want to play for X” then sign elsewhere. I think the players union has a lot to do with it in addition to agents.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 17, 2012 2:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They had a significant incentive to release misinformation
prior to the Yu Darvish bidding deadline. I think it’s pretty clear that they did, using the decision to let CJ Wilson go to help smoke screen that.
I think that with Boras free agents, it makes sense to float seemingly absurd things (like the Rangers have no money) because Boras starts off by floating such absurd numbers. I don’t begrudge Boras for doing it, but I’m happy that the Rangers are trying to counteract it.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I don't understand your last paragraph
The subterfuge involved Boras and the Rangers, not the Rangers and the rest of the league?
I guess that makes more sense but it seems like the Rangers and Boras would have gotten past exchanging notes through the media about how much money they have and how much money Fielder wants.
In this case, yes.
If there were a bigger market for Prince, then I think we agree that the Rangers would likely be out.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
JD certanly keeps info about what the FO is doing close to the vest. He is the Ninja, NO?
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
I love Ben
but he could absolutely be made into a mouthpiece. He’s a fan who happens to work in media.
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by Conjunction on Jan 17, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Here's the thing
why would EG and Wilson agree to be used as mouthpieces of inaccurate information? What’s in it for them, when they don’t even get scoops?
I don't think they thought it was inaccurate when it was fed to them.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't think JD is above using the media.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He could have said Texas wants Fielder.
He used to say “Texas wants X” a whole lot, especially when X was represented by Boras.
I also don't see why that matters.
Why would Boras want to keep it a secret that Texas is a serious contender, even if they wanted to sign him. Why wouldn’t he let the Nationals or Cubs (or whoever) have one final shot at topping Texas?
I think it's because Texas hasn't offered parameters
that are close to a team like the Nationals.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
So suddenly the great Scott Boras is being manhandled by Texas?
I doubt that. Anyway, that’s the whole reason for using Heyman for these things.
I think it is more the market than the rangers
having so many of the big boys set at first base is a problem for Boras/Prince
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by thedudeabides on Jan 17, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Courtesy of Rob Neyer
The new Miami Marlins experience just keeps getting better:
The Miami Marlins Energy Team will be a high-energy squad with a unique mix of gymnastics, hip-hop, acrobatics, modern jazz, flags and break dancing. The Miami Marlins Energy Team will consist of both male and female performers.
The Miami Marlins Energy Team will provide excitement and entertainment during Miami Marlins homes games, perform on the sidelines, dugouts & on the field.
And it bills itself as “The only co-ed pep squad team in major league baseball”
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM CST reply actions
jazz hands
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I have to be honest
That tall skinny guy they had pop’n’lockin and Tutting at the Rangers game was pretty legit. I’d like to see more of him…and Knox trying to imitate it.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Well they know a WS winning baseball team can't attract fans so this is their next option
Man that is so embarrassing to even read.
"I wish I could tell you that TRangers fought the good fight, and the 2 strangers let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but Beaumont is no fairy-tale world." - bking
Energy Team
That has to have a completely different connotation by now, right?
Example: Who first pops into your head with “Texas Rangers Energy Team”
Considering that there don't seem to be many actual baseball fans in Florida
maybe they know their target audience
Is there any content in this statement?
But the Rangers do seem to love the idea of signing Fielder
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 17, 2012 11:36 AM CST reply actions
Yes,
“The Rangers seem to love the idea of forgoing alternatives in the future and making Prince the face of the team.”
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 17, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
This and many of the other articles that are popping up like it seem to be Boras-engineered propaganda
aimed at making the Rangers decide to sign Fielder even after Darvish signs.
It seems to me like Fielder really wants to be a Ranger and the Rangers really don’t want to spend the money to sign both him and Darvish, and everything else is just an attempt to help persuade them otherwise.
no article is going to convince the Rangers to do anything
It might get page views from fans but it won’t move the front office.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Fielder is just waiting to see how Yu plays out
If a Yu deal doesn’t occur then he and Boras see that money going his way and drive up his price. But I still can see the Rangers signing him and Yu. Could be a short contract, could be a player-favorable opt out, could be dedicating future Hammy $, MY $ and TV $.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 17, 2012 2:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I actually wouldn't be shocked if something like that did happen
If we sign Yu I wonder if that means we would have to give Prince a longer deal and backload it more. If we somehow couldn’t get Yu signed maybe the Rangers offer Prince a shorter deal with the money spread out more evenly
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