Rangers avoid arbitration with Mike Adams, agree to one year deal
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM CST
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The Texas Rangers have avoided arbitration with relief pitcher Mike Adams, agreeing to a one year deal worth $4.4 million.
Adams came over from San Diego last July in exchange for minor league starting pitchers Robbie Erlin and Joe Wieland, and acted as the primary eighth inning setup man for closer Neftali Feliz. Adams is expected to fill a similar role this season in front of newly signed closer Joe Nathan.
Adams, a native of Corpus Christi, Texas, has been one of the top relievers in baseball over the past four years, and put up a 2.10 ERA in 25.2 innings with Texas after coming over from San Diego.
Adams is in his final year of arbitration eligibility, and will be a free agent after the 2012 season.
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I overshot Adams
Had estimated $5 million.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2012 11:55 AM CST reply actions
I overshot him by $100,000.
I had Adams at $4.5 million.
I undershot Murphy by $425,000 and Lowe by $100,000.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 17, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
I CANT KEEP UP
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 17, 2012 11:55 AM CST reply actions
Big year for Mike.
After struggling a bit last year, he can re-establish himself as a top relief arm and parlay that into a big contract.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Does he really need to re-establish himself?
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I know what you're saying
and not in the sense that he’s a good pitcher. More in the sense of maximizing his potential deal.
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Oh, that makes sense.
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I would not mind resigning or extending Adams
if he can be had for a “non-closer” contract.
by Akalhar on Jan 17, 2012 12:40 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Adams didn't struggle last year
ERA = 1.47
FIP = 2.47
xFIP = 2.87
WAR = 1.8
by Darrell McKown on Jan 17, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
He wasn't as good with us as he was with San Diego
of course it’s easier to pitch there plus he was facing the JV league
You are drawing from a very small sample size.
And he was still one of the better relievers in the league over his time in Texas.
Adams in Texas
ERA = 2.10
FIP = 3.18
xFIP = 2.98
WAR = 0.5
Since WAR is a counting stat, that’s the equivalent of 1.5 of WAR for a full season. It may not be quite as good as his San Diego results, but it’s certainly not struggling.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 17, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
Arb signings for everyone!
Mo’ money, mo’ money…
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
Me thinks that the Rangers have set their budget and have ahard negotiation ceiling.
These arb signings are spending $$$$ out of that budget and will be sending signals to current Rangers players and prospective free agents (Yu and Prince) that we will go in the direction our
budget dictates with the combination of players who would be willing to play for the club’s price. I think that Prince wants to play for the Rangers more than Josh, so Josh is gone after this season. Yu is a wild card. He has other streams of revenue over his Japan baseball salary and will not go for low balling. To get him to sign will have to be a creative deal with sliding scales. If that does not happen, say hello to Oswalt and let Spring Training competition weed out the rotation winners.
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Yu is a wild card. He has other streams of revenue over his Japan baseball salary and will not go for low balling. To get him to sign will have to be a creative deal with sliding scales. If that does not happen, say hello to Oswalt and let Spring Training competition weed out the rotation winners.
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by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
If Yu wants more than $75M straight up deal, the Rangers let him walk.
They may let him walk at $65M. Without sliding scales a deal does not get done above those numbers. If that turns out to be the case then I counter your “no” with a “yes”
I will bet $1,000 US dollars the Rangers sign Yu Darvish.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
My guess (and I'm not willing to gamble on these specific figures)
Has been 5/$58 for a while. After statements today… I think it’ll be lower. 5/$53.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Any guess as to Yu's endorsement income in Japan.
Supposedly he’s a Rock Star over there.
Why do you think Yu becomes less appealing to marketing firms in Japan
Just because his primary place of employment is in the U.S.?
Do you think all interest by people in Japan will vanish if he pitches here?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Depends
In Japan he’s a phenom with the stats to prove it. In the Big Leagues he may not do as well. That’s one scenario that could affect his endorsement value.
Players from a particular country don't lose popularity from struggling in another country.
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--iorange555 8/23/2011
So do you think that Dice-K
Would have the same endorsement value successful or not? I would think more success = more $$$$$. So, while he may not make less (although I’m not sold on that idea), he certainly would not make more without demostrating proven tangibles of success.
Dude, who are you?
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Japanese players
I lived in Japan for three years. The guys in the Major Leagues are huge stars there, regardless of how well they are doing.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 17, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Dice-K doesn't look as good to Japanese women.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
How many Rangers period have this mythical endorsement value?
Seriously. If CJ can do fucking Blue Bell commercials I’m sure Yu can make endorsement money.
Yu will be the messiah in Japan no matter what happens here. Look at Chan Ho in Korea. Look at Dirk in Germany. International hockey players that come to America are still revered in their home country regardless of the stature they attain. Latvian Karlis Skrastins of the Stars, an average at best NHLer, had a giant funeral after he tragically died on the Lokomotiv plane crash. These guys retain celebrity status at home.
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5 years, $55 million guaranteed
$50 million guaranteed over 5 years, plus an option for a sixth year at about $15 million with a $5 million buyout.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 17, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
You should make another contest post.
I will supply a Yu Darvish shirsey in the color and size of the winner’s choice.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I hope I'm wrong, but anywhere in the $50M range will not be enough.
I bet he exceeds that in total endorsement value alone staying in Japan for 5 years easy.
Why would a baseball player
determine his future based on endorsements alone? He’s said multiple times he’s coming over here to challenge himself. Being in a Japanese shaving gel commercial isn’t going to meet that challenge…
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 17, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
I think the Yu camp is saying all the right things.
They have a vested interest in doing so. I feel this signing is much more complicated than what’s being reported. It’s not strictly just a “baseball” signing. I hope the deal gets done, but the arb signings are to me an indicator that the Rangers are moving forward with their budget, they have money, but you have to want to play for the Rangers to get it. That could mean its lower than the player wants.
I think you are connecting dots
that shouldn’t be connected. What do arb agreements have to do with a FA Japanese pitcher? If it’s not just a “baseball” signing, what is it? You are throwing out some real vague statements that honestly, don’t make a ton of sense.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 17, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
It involves more than just baseball issues.
I think in the case of Yu, way more than any other Japanese signing. Those things will matter to Yu, and thus the Rangers
The arb signings have little to nothing to do with the Yu signing
Arb salaries have already budgetted in and unless a guy asks for a unreasonable amount and wins that usually wont affect anything.
For instance
KRod all the sudden accepting Milwaukee’s arbitration. It still makes me giggle.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 17, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Well
KRod accepted arb back in November so while his decision to accept it was surprising the amount likely wasn’t. Once he accepted they then had to budget for that.
What I was talking about is for instance if the Rangers budget 9.5 mil for Napoli for instance and when they exchange figures he is requesting something absurd like 12 mil and they cant agree on a deal and it goes to arb and the judge sides with him granting him the 12 mil for 2012. Theres 2.5 mil that is over budget. Even that likely wouldn’t affect things much but its still money that has to come out of some other pot to pay for it
I knew what you meant.
But it did severely limit the Brewers budget when he said yes no matter when it was. They seemed to think there was 0 chance he would accept.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Think about the timing.
Logic seems to say, sign Yu and/or Prince, then work on arbs. It did not happen that way. Why?
No logic does not say that
Once they tendered arb deals to their players they were locked into them for 2012. Its not like they could just not sign them if they signed Prince and Yu and didn’t have any money left.
In the arb process today is the day both the team and the player has to officially submit salary figures to MLB which will be used if they get to their arb hearing. Those hearings could start at anytime. They are scheduled by MLB.
So the prevailing sentiment is that "its not about the money"?
mmmmm……..we’ve all seen the movie ……when someone says it’s not about the money, it’s about the money. Yu and/or his advisors are positioning themselves for what he might make in the future years ahead. That decision platform starts from where he is at now, and what the projection would be if he stayed in Japan. Weighing risks involved, the potential for him to make more money being successful in the Big Leagues would trump staying in Japan. However, that’s a big leap and a big if. Not gonna do that on an offer that does not make sense based on his revenue stream in Japan
What do you think the percentage chance of Darvish not signing is?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Depends
Rangines beginning with straight up deals
In the $50M 0%, $75M 50%, $100M, 100%.
% chance changes with sliding scale deals.
Dangit, typing to fast
Ranges instead of Rangines
What do you predict the AAV to be?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If the Rangers sign Yu
I think it will be on a sliding scale that could ultimately exceed $75M. The parameters of the sliding scale I’m not exactly sure. Top end protection for the Rangers bottom end protection for Yu. Of course, that kind of deal is not uncommon, but the only way Yu accepts $50 range as a starting point, is if incentives are easy to reach. I think he makes the Rangers work harder than that to get him, plus he will want more than Dice-K money by a good amount. 4 year deal, 5th year option.
What do you even mean by "sliding scale?"
And why on Earth would the Rangers accept only 4 guaranteed years?
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Older pitchers.
Not 25-year-old superstuds they’re paying $51+ million just to talk to.
I would bet anything that if he signs, it will be for five or six years. Four is senseless.
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Limited to 4, cut your loses if things don't work out
Pick up the option for year 5 if they do work out.
Nothing that you said actually addressed a disagreement in this conversation.
You just spouted platitudes and then stopped without really having said anything of value.
Nobody here thinks that “it’s not about the money.” What ASL provided is one of many reasons, including money, why Yu decided to be posted and will decide to play in the United States.
In every conversation on this topic, you start from the assumption that his Japanese endorsements 1) are immense, and 2) will not continue to be immense (or increase, obviously) if he comes to the United States. The first may be valid, though I haven’t seen you or anyone else provide data to back up any conclusions about it. The second, the assumption that coming to MLB will somehow hurt his endorsements over there, is similarly unsupported and likely unsupportable. MLB is the premier baseball league on the planet. If Darvish comes here and does as he is expected to do, how will that hurt him in his homeland?*
*To head off your oh-so-clever response, yes there is risk for him coming here. There is also risk for him staying there. He will be compensated for his risk in terms of a higher salary here and being better positioned for a much higher salary the next time around.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
That's a good question.
I really do not know concerning Yu. By comparison, its common knowledge that mega sports stars easily make more $$$$$ on endorsements than their sports contract. Yu seems to be in that catagory in Japan.
This is the worst argument ever.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Money is money
whether its from a sports contract, endorsements, or what ever. For those athletes that can command the outside $$$$ why would they not factor in a business plan to maximize their earning potential. For some athletes endorsements are a non-factor. For the few, they would be huge. Yu seems ot be in that category
Who said they were factoring that in? Why are you constantly refuting arguments not made?
What I said is that
its common knowledge that mega sports stars easily make more $$$$$ on endorsements than their sports contract. Yu seems to be in that catagory in Japan.
Is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read on this board. Provide facts to support your conclusions, don’t just make shit up and fling it against the wall.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
The answer is $5-6M
And no reason to think it won’t stay the same or go higher when he comes over here.
So Michael Young is going to make 16 mil+ this year on endorsements, eh?
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I think these arb signing are right inline with what the Rangers expected.
even if they were a little high, it is not like they are paying them $20M over what they budgeted
I'm ready for tomorrow afternoon
When we announce that we have signed darvish and Feilder.
You gotta get up mighty muthafuckin' early in the mornin' to fuck with me - Wash
by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 17, 2012 12:25 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Jim Bowden just tweeted "the latest on Yu Darvish" and linked to ESPN's MLB page.
Thanks, Jim.
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@Dutch_Oven45 Derek Holland
Just found old play station game twisted metal. But why do I keep getting nauseous when I play it good grief
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TM1 for PS1 was very important to me at one time.
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they need to hurry the eff up and sign Yu and Prince.
any minute now…..
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by pinoyintegrity on Jan 17, 2012 12:43 PM CST reply actions
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
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Jason Beck @beckjason
#Tigers announce Victor Martinez has suffered torn ACL. Surgery would likely sideline him for the season.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
He must have the dumbest agent in history.
Oh wait, wrong meme.
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
this was my 1st thought as well
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
That's awful.
I don’t know of any other real avenue other than surgery. He could try and stabilize the knee by building up the muscles around it, but that has a low success rate.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 17, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
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Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Prince Fielder has said numerous times that he does not want to be a DH. So that’s that. #Tigers
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
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Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Much more likely this spurs #Tigers to be more interested in Yoenis Cespedes. Could get more athletic in OF and move Delmon Young to DH.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
How did he do it? I wonder
Was he playing twisted metal with @Dutch_Oven45?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
This has probably been covered on here already.
Did anyone else see Holland at the Mavs game the other night when the interviewed him on TV? He better pitch his tail off if he’s going to look like that.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 17, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
no kidding.....out.of.control.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Makes me wish Josh Lewin
You know Lewin would introduce Holland on the mound with “He’s 6’5”, 6’9" with the afro."
Ha ha ha
I can definitely hear this in my head.
"There is very little in this world that is more hyped up and put on a pedestal than the BJ. Maybe Tim Tebow. That’s it, Tim Tebow is the BJ of the NFL." - AceJC
by The Best Micah on Jan 17, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of Lewin
This is a very take it with a grain of salt story but…
I have a buddy who has interned at CBS in NY. His boss told him today that Lewin is the front-runner for the Mets’ radio gig.
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 17, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yup
"There is very little in this world that is more hyped up and put on a pedestal than the BJ. Maybe Tim Tebow. That’s it, Tim Tebow is the BJ of the NFL." - AceJC
by The Best Micah on Jan 17, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
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