Victor Martinez likely out for the 2012 season
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2012 2:34 PM CST
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Per a variety of folks on Twitter it has been learned that the Detroit Tigers believe that Victor Martinez has torn the ACL in his left knee. It is expected that he will have surgery, and that he will be sidelined for the 2012 season.
That's a huge blow for a guy who was one of the key pieces on last year's A.L. Central champions. While Martinez caught occasionally last year, he was primarily a DH, and the Tigers will now likely be looking for an alternative on the free agent market.
There are several veterans out there looking for one year deals who could be a DH, with Johnny Damon -- who was with the Tigers in 2010 -- coming to mind as the obvious choice, particularly given the Tigers' history of working with Damon's agent, Scott Boras. Hideki Matsui and Vladimir Guerrero are also free agents, and the Angels are supposedly interested in moving Bobby Abreu and his hefty 2012 contract.
Magglio Ordonez, coming off a 634 OPS season in 92 games for the Tigers last season, could be an option, although that may be a situation where both parties are ready to move on.
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i really hope the Angels get stuck with Abreu
Scioscia may let Abreu and Wells play every now and again, taking playing time away from Trout, Morales, and Trumbo.
I have to say I’m interested in what the Angels are going to do with their bench. They seem to have 14 guys who look like they should (or will) be on the ML roster.
Iannetta, backup catcher (Conger or Wilson), Morales, Trumbo, Pujols, Kendrick, Aybar, Izturis, Callaspo, Trout, Bourjos, Wells, Hunter, and Abreu.
I’m sure the Angels will be looking to trade 1 of them – (in this order) Wells, Abreu, Trumbo, and Izturis, but I think they’ll need Izturis to be their utility guy. I think Trumbo is the one who ultimately gets moved, I guess, but it seems funny to me that both Wells and Abreu will probably be their #4 and #5 OFs sitting on their bench a majority of the time, making a combined $30M+.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Tap the brakes on Morales
I’ll have to see that to believe it.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 17, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Well, that deal just keeps looking worse, doesn't it?
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Dat Sexy Alexi.
ARLINGTON — The Rangers expect that they will be able to announce sometime on Wednesday that they have signed Japanese pitcher Yu Darvish. They are not expected to announce who will lose his spot in the rotation. They will probably wait until Spring Training before moving Alexi Ogando back to the bullpen.
“My wish is to stay as a starter,” Ogando said Tuesday. “But if it happens I have to go to the bullpen, I’ll be OK with that. I will do what it takes to help the team. I will be up for it.”
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Crap.
ARLINGTON — The Rangers expect that they will be able to announce sometime on Wednesday that they have signed Japanese pitcher Yu Darvish. They are not expected to announce who will lose his spot in the rotation. They will probably wait until Spring Training before moving Alexi Ogando back to the bullpen.
“My wish is to stay as a starter,” Ogando said Tuesday. “But if it happens I have to go to the bullpen, I’ll be OK with that. I will do what it takes to help the team. I will be up for it.”
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
you could see this coming
Ogando and adams for 7th and 8th..nathan for 9th..i really hope they dont just throw Feliz into the wolves as a starter..if his head isnt right he might be ruined
If his head isn't right, he's worthless to us, whether as a closer or a starter.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I kind of hate that it's a forgone conclusion that Alexi is bullpen material.
I hope it more closely resembles an open competition for that fifth spot come ST.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
yes, but can you believe we're even having this problem?
Holy shit, we have too much pitching. I want this quandary every season.
by Colonel Travis on Jan 17, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Bullpen Material?
That is from whence he came. What is striking to me is the assumption many have that Harrison is bullpen material.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
I don't think he is bullpen material
Even though they need a lefty, he is too good of a starter to waste in the bullpen More likely he would be trade material, although Ogando could be also. After a month of spring training, the Rangers will probably know who the five starters are, or who can be traded for value.
Exactly.
And for the record, I like Ogando in the roto as well. But if circumstances dictate that one of them must go to the bullpen, I think Ogando is the best suited.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
I voted that way, as well.
I just think Alexi has earned the right to be displaced by Neftali, and that it shouldn’t first be the other way around.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
That's a good point.
Clearly Ogando is more suited for the bullpen than Harrison, what with his lack of secondary pitches, but it must seem odd to him that Neftali gets the nod ahead of him.
Who knows what will end up happening to Feliz, so it’s always nice to have a team-first guy in Ogando waiting in the pen.
I'd rather trade for Thornton and put Ogando in the bully
While keeping Harrison in the roto.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
If everyone is healthy
And nothing strange happens.
It will almost assuredly happen.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think there's a fair possibility that if everyone else is healthy
Feliz begins the season in the AAA rotation.
YEAH OK.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
They want him to be a starter but the argument could be made
that his expected production as a starter this year could less than any of the other guys that could be in the rotation.
He also needs to develop consistency and control with his secondary pitches and there’s little harm to having do that in AAA until there’s an opening in the rotation.
And the organization could really want to see what Ogando is capable of in his second season as a starter, and if he continues to develop in only his 3rd year pitching professionally.
Won't happen
Yeah, you could send Feliz down to work on starting. And you’d piss off the entire team. JD’s not gonna do that.
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
I don't think anything outside of an abysmal
Spring Training by Feliz would end up with him in AAA.
I don’t think they would have moved Feliz to the rotation if they didn’t have at least some expectation that he’d be as good or better than whatever alternative you/they could think of.
Feliz to AAA seems like one of the least likely possibilities to me.
by elvis1isking on Jan 17, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Or an injury rehab
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
I don't think that's a possibility.
But I do think it’s a possibility Feliz flops.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Then LSB gets a lynch mob together to hang whoever broke Neftali.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
He stays in the pen
and Ogando in the roto?
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
Do people really believe this?
I mean, there’s absolutely no evidence to support it.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Its really hard not to love Ogando
I don’t know if its mostly because of what he went through to get here or its just who he is, but I absolutely love that he does exactly what the team asks of him with no complaints.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
MY just demanded a trade
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 17, 2012 3:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why would we want Austin Jackson?
Do we need more strikeouts?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
They're the new market inefficiency
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I bet he's a 4th of'er by 2014
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 17, 2012 6:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ogando actually has a reason to bitch
SP and RP money aren’t exactly equal
Defending Big D Check it out
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
Harrison doesn't?
Ogando has 2 years until he hits arbitration. He could be the setup man in 2012 and 2013 while Nathan is here and then be in line for the closer role in 2014. If hes lights out as a setup guy (which I think he can be) he could get a very nice first arb salary and then if he becomes a closer it could go way up.
Ogandos stuck making 500K a year for the next 2 years at least regardless of his role on this team
...who said anything about Harrison?
I was talking about Face.
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
Well I was responding to this post
Ogando actually has a reason to bitch
SP and RP money aren’t exactly equal
I figured you were talking about Ogando and Harrison since the original topic was about one of them moving to the pen.
Dont really know how Face fits into your post
Because the discussion is about position changes
Defending Big D Check it out
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
It's his nose that I love...
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
I love his face goiter.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 17, 2012 6:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Victor looks so sad in the picture.
I like that.
Sucks about the injury though.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
All four of those guys are FAs?
It’s like they’re all the same person.
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 17, 2012 3:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Anyone else notice this?
“Unfortunately, we lost D.O., a good friend and great guy in the clubhouse…”
Re: Ceej, I guess if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all?
He's my Napoli too
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
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NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Tell me more, tell me more.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
well..just as an idea...keep the same dynamic by opening our DH spot
and sign Fielder for long term..I really dont expect MY to do what he did last yr..just an idea
you dont get it.
theres no way you find anyone to take on MY’s salary. so in order to trade him, youre having to pay most of his salary for someone to take him on. so in that case, youd still be paying MY and Fielder, you just wouldnt get the benefit of MY’s production.
MY also has "THE HAMMER"
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
no..i get it..but with Vmart going down..Tigers have need..and they
have been rumored looking at Abreu..i just thought what if they liked MY…thats $16mil off books that could be used to sign Fielder..
Abreu has one year left and the theory is the Angels would have to kick in some money
Young has 2 years and 26-32 mil left. How much money would we have to kick in?
sure, its an idea.
its just a bad one. no chance of it happening that way. if the Rangers cant afford Fielder, it wont be because they couldnt trade MY (who comes off the books after next year anyway).
Regardless
Veets doesn’t do anything to replace Victor Martinez. They already have Avila to catch the majority of games. They need a hitter/dh type.
Apropos of nothing
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Good.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
speaking of Cheeseburger
For $2 Burger King Will Come to You
Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2012/01/17/for-2-burger-king-will-come-to/#ixzz1jkyZUbnd
So... anyone else see that Carl Crawford had "routine" wrist surgery
and now won’t be ready to start the season for the Sox? Theo bailed at the right time..
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Heh, just saw that a few minutes ago
And somewhere matchstick1 sheds a single tear…
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
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Drew Davison @drewdavison
#Rangers Tanner Scheppers said he’s a reliever going into spring training, but hopes to start at some point in the future.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
He hopes to start being a reliever?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
That cart isn't going to pull the horse Tanner.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
have success for a few years out of the ML 'pen
and then we will discuss
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Wish in one hand...
crap in the other.
Embrace it.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 17, 2012 6:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
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