Monday Morning Rangers Update
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 2, 2012 8:01 AM CST
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So, a Monday after a holiday weekend where a Carlos Quentin trade was the most noteworthy baseball transaction and the Dallas Cowboys lost horribly in an attempt to win the NFC East? Yeah. Is there any wonder why there's nothing related to the Rangers out there this morning?
You know the drill.
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"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Boras wants the free Japanese pub
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Jan 2, 2012 9:03 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Id settle for any kind of reasonably sound (by rumor standards) Prince rumors at all...
its quiet. Too quiet.
Silence indicates Daniels
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Jan 2, 2012 10:19 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Well, that was one of the likely spots, I s'pose.
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by Prashanth Francis on Jan 2, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
I dunno, doesn't feel right to me
They’re estimated at 78 million in payroll without Prince, up from 54 last year. Adding Prince, absent some hellacious backloading (and Werth jumps from 13M in ‘12 to 16M in ’13, 20M in ’14, and LOLMILLIONZ thereafter, when Strasburg hits arb; so I don’t see how they could do that either) would double their payroll in one year.
I mean, Marlins tried to do it, but, still.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
I had a dream the Rangers signed Prince last night
I found out from someone’s post on facebook. Might have been Futurepants. I then went to LSB to check the details but nothing there. Woke up while searching the internet for confirmation.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 2, 2012 1:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That capped off the worst sports year of my life
Which is funny considering the Rangers technically had their greatest year ever.
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 2, 2012 8:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Mavs win the Ship
Rangers go to Series again
Stars get sold and are a pretty good squad
The Cowboys mired in mediocrity
All things considered, I’ll take that.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I don't care about the Mavs or the Stars
And the Rangers season will haunt me until we win in it all.
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 2, 2012 9:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ah...
What I’d give for a few more missed playoff years for the Cowboys and a few more years of great Rangers clubs with Yu & co. Maybe at some point people will realize that the Rangers are currently the strongest sports organization in Texas…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Serious question?
Because yes. They are MUCH stronger than UT.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Texas athletics department has a higher player payroll budget.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Most profitable athletic deparment in the nation.
And there’s now a fairly large gap between them and #2 Notre Dame.
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by Prashanth Francis on Jan 2, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
And you know how much went into the university's general fund last year?
$6MM. Pathetic.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Why is it pathetic?
That’s probably more than all but a few give back to their University.
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by Prashanth Francis on Jan 2, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
The state's flagship university should do better. All state schools should do better.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
And Title IX should be done away with
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
NOW we agree.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
rimshot!
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Perhaps.
I’m confused why they get to be run separately anyways. If you have the revenues equivalent of a small nation, then why do you get to accept deductible donations?
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by Prashanth Francis on Jan 2, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Great question. I don't know the answer.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Me either.
It’s hard though because many athletic departments don’t make near that much.
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by Prashanth Francis on Jan 2, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
RGIII going pro for realz?
Bummer.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Jan 2, 2012 12:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but nobody cares about the track and softball teams.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Baseball!
/TT
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 2, 2012 9:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Baylor Football, Mens Basketball and Women's basketball
have not lost a game since Oct 31st.
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by Prashanth Francis on Jan 2, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't y'alls softball team really good, too?
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 2, 2012 9:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe?
I really don’t know. They’ve traditionally been good at tennis and up and down in baseball.
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by Prashanth Francis on Jan 2, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
We're not bad at softball.
Made a fairly decent run in volleyball.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I heard from a Baylor student that y'all were good at softball
I was hoping that the guys that run SBNs Baylor blog would know ;)
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 2, 2012 10:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
They haven't lost a game since 10/31 either
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Anyone else seek out yesterday's BBC Sherlock episode?
Pretty good. Great dialog. The password reveal was pretty cheesy… but quite entertaining. Not sure about the ending..
Did the second season finally start?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah yesterday.
And the next two sundays, 3 episodes like the first one. Of course at 90 minutes of pure runtime they are pretty much tv movies….
I really hate how they only do 3 episodes a season
But great show
by Professor Ch@os on Jan 2, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Teix contract 8/180
It doesn’t look like Prince is going to be able to approach this contract, is there?
"I think we just have to wait and see how things shake its way out," -- Wash
Hard to say...
many Boras clients hold out late and end up getting that big deal. Like Beltre did last year.
All it takes is that one team, like the Nats did with Werth, to offer a big deal. It doesn’t look like it’s there right now though. And if that team is there, I think they feel like they would be bidding against themselves by offering him a huge deal at this point.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
It sure doesn't feel like a new year to me...
New Year’s for me is the first Rangers baseball game of a new season.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jan 2, 2012 9:27 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thudded
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 2, 2012 9:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thisssss*
I hate spellcheck
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 2, 2012 9:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm ready for ranking stories and posts to be over.
The object of desire for me, besides ST, is Soler, and, in that vein, I’ve seen the first mock draft for next year. It has the Rangers taking this guy:
29. Rangers: Jake Cosart, 6’-1", RHP, Clear Creek HS (TX)
At 6’-1" and 150 lbs, the velocity he generates from his frame is incredible. He hit 99 mph on the radar gun at the National Power Showcase and has seen his stock soar ever since. Also shows a curveball that should be devastating in the future. Still raw, but the Rangers are stockpiled with pitchers, so they can wait on him to mature and develop. Comes from good bloodlines as his brother, Jarred Cosart, is a top pitching prospect for the Astros.
Another one that I can’t find right now has a better prospect falling to the Rangers due to sign ability as he has an Auburn commit:
Addison Russell, 6’-1", SS, Pace HS (GA)
Russell has a fluidity to his game that makes everything look easy. He has the hands, speed and footwork to compete for Gold Gloves down the line. His arm is a rocket, and even though he has a funky throwing motion, it works for him. At the plate, his short compact swing generates gap-to-gap power and he should be a high-average hitter because of his plate discipline.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
Its really hard to tell how the draft is going to shake out given the new rules
Why would we grab a guy late in the round who has a hard commit to college when we cant moneywhip him? And if we dont sign him we cant use that money elsewhere.
Of course I also think these guys are going to have to realize they dont really have much leverage and its not like they can extract too much extra out of a team over where they were slotted at and the risk/reward of going to college for 3 years isn’t as worth it anymore.
You still get a compensation pick for next year
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I don't like that picture of Selig
because that’s exactly how I was sitting when I looked at it.
You made me think I looked like Bud Selig.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
GoET should stop writing just becuase he made a human being go through that
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 2, 2012 10:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
/pants of the future
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Today!
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Interesting that the Rays are #1 for Olney
In terms of the categorical breakdowns:
Rays: Number 1 Overall Team
Rotation: 2
Bullpen: NR
Infield: 8
Outfield: NR
Lineup: NR
Rangers: Number 3 Overall Team
Rotation: 6
Bullpen: 10a
Infield: 1
Outfield: 3
Lineup: 2
Does that all add up to you?
Go Rangers! Go Cowboys! Go FSU!
He values starting pitching and defense.
Maybe overvalues?
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
The current trend in baseball analysis
is to overvalue starting pitching and defense. Ask all those folks who thought the A’s would compete last year.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Jack Z in Seattle over-did it with the defense thing.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Why wouldn't the Phillies
be the number 1 team then? They are his #1 Rotation, and appear higher on all of the other lists. Just doesn’t make sense.
Go Rangers! Go Cowboys! Go FSU!
The real reason
is that you don’t get noticed by saying that the Phillies are the #1 team, or Boston, or the consecutive AL champs. You get noticed when you say something controversial like “The Rays are the best team!” when their odds of making the playoffs are probably among the lowest of anyone in the discussion.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
He has the Phillies higher than Rays on defense?
That seems strange.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I don't think the infield and outfield rankings are purely defense.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
This
@mlbtraderumors MLB Trade Rumors Boras Seeks Five Years For Edwin Jackson bit.ly/s899eS #mlb
is silly.
And, hell, 4/44 seems silly to me too. I would point and laugh at a team giving Edwin Jackson 44 million human money American dollars to pitch for their baseball team for four years.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
JD: 'We wanted to strengthen our rotation. We think this deal does that because it makes Scott Feldman's deal look awesome in comparison."
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
"Oooh, yeah!"
“Let’s chop cats! Let’s chop cats!”
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 2, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
The guy is still only just turned 28 years old so I understand seeking a 5 year deal
I doubt he gets it this late in the offseason but tyhats like him seeking a 10 year deal for prince. Its what hes supposed to do
Sure, I understand him trying to get it.
I do not understand the mindset of a team who would give that contract out, though. I mean, unless MLB gets some kind of Reinvestment and Recovery Act money and they have to go spend it somewhere.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Or Darvish seeking 5/75.
Almost all teh BBTIA commenters I saw this morning had him at that or even higher.
Asking and getting are two different things.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I thought I saw Heyman saying his camp wanted "at least" 5/$65.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 2, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
I saw that one too.
But before that it was 5/75. Heyman is the only one below 5/75 I’ve seen as far as what they are speculated to be seeking.
I think it’ll be something like 5/58.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That makes the total outlay about 110 million over 5 with the weird numerological shananigans
Which seems reasonable on both ends.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
6/72 minimum and that'd mean the Rangers have $ 123 million invested in him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
But...
Prorated over 6 years that’s $20.5M.
I have no problem with that.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Also...
I think for him to get $60M or more he’ll have to go to six years.
I think he’ll get more than the $52M that was guaranteed to Daisuke regardless. But if he wants much more guaranteed, he’ll have to delay FA another year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Do you think
the Rangers would rather sign him to a 6 year deal, or a 5 year with him having FA rights at the end?
Adding the 6th year reduces the AAV of the posting by about $2 million…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I think they'd prefer 6 years.
Given how aggressive they’ve been to get him, their scouts are probably very confident in his success and he’s only 25.
Getting an extra year of a stud in his prime for only probably $10-12M more is definitely in the Rangers favor.
I think the Darvish camp will trade dollars for that year to keep it at 5 years and get him to FA sooner.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The Rangers stance on going 6 years on pitchers is pretty well established
It is extremely unlikely to happen.
6 years on 30 year old pitchers
And 6 years on a 25 year old where half the value is posting fee and an extra year prorates are two different things.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I certainly agree with that idea.
However the statements coming out of the front office, specifically from Nolan Ryan, have indicated the Rangers don’t want to go more than 5 years on a pitcher. They never provided age qualifications in those statements.
These aren't Yur normal circumstances
A burden should never be something out of your control.
"I'm a Cowboys fan. And I hope they miss the playoffs and get the better draft pick. This team sucks. We're saving ourselves the embarrassment too. That's a major +" by JDT217 on Dec 26, 2011
As matchst1ck is fond of saying
I’m sure the FO evaluates everything individually. The Yu situation isn’t normal but neither were the CJ Wilson or Cliff Lee situations, especially for Texas. They are all unique.
Right now the precedent has been set that they prefer to not offer a 6th year to pitchers. Yu’s age doesn’t change anything other than my own perception of the situation. Until I see or hear differently I don’t see how anything can change.
They offered Cliff Lee 6 years.
They just wouldn’t go to 7.
And Nolan said 6 made him nervous… but they still did it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Because you
Said it’s “extremely unlikely” that they go 6 years and you can’t possibly know that.
You’re citing their preference to not go to 6 years on two pitchers, Cliff Lee and C.J., both of whom were in their 30’s… and they DID go to 6 years on Cliff.
How does that make it extremely unlikely that they’ll go to 6 years on a 25 year old Darvish who they liked so much they are willing to pay $51.7M up front just to get him?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Because UT is strong
A burden should never be something out of your control.
"I'm a Cowboys fan. And I hope they miss the playoffs and get the better draft pick. This team sucks. We're saving ourselves the embarrassment too. That's a major +" by JDT217 on Dec 26, 2011
He's just making a joke related to the UT conversation above.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Maybe we see this differently
But considering they were extremely reluctant to go 6 years on Cliff Lee, a proven #1, and given their public stance I see it as extremely unlikely that they offer any pitcher 6 years going forward. It is possible but I don’t see it as likely.
And furthermore I don’t see how you can possibly know it is anything more than extremely unlikely or even simply unlikely. Neither of us have inside information. And your position on the issue isn’t backed up by anything but assumption.
interesting use of the "no one knows what the front office was thinking" strategy
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
matchst1ck used it first
Said it’s "extremely unlikely" that they go 6 years and you can’t possibly know that.
I was essentially agreeing with him.
Fine.
But I think the posting fee is more indicative of their interest and willingness to go the extra mile than you are giving credit to.
And relying purely on the public words of a front office as a guideline is rather limited in my opinion.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Well... I don't think he'll get 6 years...
Because the Darvish camp won’t want it at the AAV that this contract will likely be.
He’ll want to get to FA sooner.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't see the Rangers giving up a year (or more) of team control to grant him early FA
I just don’t.
He might get 5 years, but the 6th will be arbitration.
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by vfn on Jan 2, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not going to assume that public statements coming from a front office
Are completely revealing of all aspects.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I still haven't heard / read any comments from Nolan Ryan
regarding Yu Darvish.
The silence is deafening.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Shut up
A burden should never be something out of your control.
"I'm a Cowboys fan. And I hope they miss the playoffs and get the better draft pick. This team sucks. We're saving ourselves the embarrassment too. That's a major +" by JDT217 on Dec 26, 2011
No
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Yes
A burden should never be something out of your control.
"I'm a Cowboys fan. And I hope they miss the playoffs and get the better draft pick. This team sucks. We're saving ourselves the embarrassment too. That's a major +" by JDT217 on Dec 26, 2011
Not hearing anything from Nolan Ryan makes me
think the no more than 4 year guideline may be out the window.
This is JD’s Baby.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Shut up
A burden should never be something out of your control.
"I'm a Cowboys fan. And I hope they miss the playoffs and get the better draft pick. This team sucks. We're saving ourselves the embarrassment too. That's a major +" by JDT217 on Dec 26, 2011
You're doing it wrong
A burden should never be something out of your control.
"I'm a Cowboys fan. And I hope they miss the playoffs and get the better draft pick. This team sucks. We're saving ourselves the embarrassment too. That's a major +" by JDT217 on Dec 26, 2011
You're losing this one, benji.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Shut up
A burden should never be something out of your control.
"I'm a Cowboys fan. And I hope they miss the playoffs and get the better draft pick. This team sucks. We're saving ourselves the embarrassment too. That's a major +" by JDT217 on Dec 26, 2011
They may be more apt to give Darvish a
6 year deal because it’s JD’s Baby.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
If Yu was exclusively JD's baby
and Nolan didn’t approve, then he’s a terrible boss who can’t stand up to his subordinates. Good managing means giving your employees some leeway, it rarely means letting your employees spend 20% of your budget on something you disapprove of.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Well... Nolan has bosses too.
I’d like to know what that last minute meeting between the ownership group was about.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The CEO who allows his Vice President to pitch strategies he doesn't agree with to the Board
isn’t doing it right…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
My guess...
Is that Nolan said, “I like Darvish… but fuck is that a bunch of money. I don’t like spending that much money.”
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Why is it that Nolan is assumed to be the conservative one when it comes to spending money?
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Because on every player ever mentioned...
He hems and haws at what it will take to pay them.
Of course that’s his public view… but that’s the basis of it.
He’s also the first ever $1M a year Free Agent signing.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Do you make anything of Nolan's
silence on this issue (and refusal to take RGalloway’s phone calls)?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Not really.
I mean… it’s easy to speculate… but sometimes these things are innocuous.
Even if Nolan completely didn’t want to… he knows the game well enough to not let that get public. At least not before things went south.
I do understand how it “feels” like the silence is meaningful… but I’m hesitant to actually give it meaning. I’d rather just hear what Nolan says, which I can almost guarantee will be supportive of the deal.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That's what Galloway was told.
And part of why I don’t want to read too much into it.
That said… if Nolan wanted to say something, he could do it over the phone on vacation pretty easily.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And he doesn't want to say anything
on this although he was very available when it came to Cliff Lee, CJ and just about every other Ranger issue imaginable in the past 3 years.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
JD was all over the place the day
after they won the posting.
Nolan couldn’t be found.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'm refusing to take Galloway's calls too
Doesn’t mean anything except the fact I don’t want to talk to him.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 2, 2012 1:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I figured it was akin to the auction
where Simpson (or maybe it was Davis, I can’t remember which now) asked “how much wins this thing? Let’s do it.”
They probably had that same discussion, and I somehow doubt Nolan just sat in the corner thinking “I’ll give that little shit enough rope to hang himself on this one” as some poster here seems to want to imply.
by elvis1isking on Jan 2, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
I imagine Nolan didn't have a problem with
Darvish’s talent but was worried about the commitment of both the money and years.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'm sure Nolan isn't the only one
worried about money and years
I’m sure the GM, President, and ownership all had a fairly good idea what the parameters of a deal would be before the bid was submitted.
I’m sure they all recognize the risk. And I’m also sure they all came to a decision together to take the risk.
by elvis1isking on Jan 2, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
EVERYONE involved in baseball is worried about money and years
CEO, GM, owners, managers, players, agents, even fans. What’s your point?
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 2, 2012 1:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think Nolan didn't want to do it solely because of the money involved and uncertainty but Simpson Davis
told him they didn’t mind taking the gamble, especially after the Angels grabbed CJ and Pujols…so JD got his way on this one.
There’s simply no fucking way that Nolan Ryan would go with this kind of gamble without the owners saying they want to do it.
No track record of success in The Show, the history of Japanese pitchers over here, the years involved, the investment…there’s just no way.
I thought this initially but his silence on this convinces me more and more.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
well
clearly the amount of money means that this level of decision has to be presented to the owners.
But my guess is that the only time JD or Nolan go to the owners is when they’re unified. This doesn’t seem the type of ownership group who is going to respond well to mixed signals.
So yeah, Nolan may well have thought it was a lot of money (it is) and a gamble (it is). But at the same time, if he was as against it as you’re suggesting, he wouldn’t have let it happened.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
As stated above, I think Ryan agreed
on the talent but the money/years were an issue.
The owners probably said “Fuck it…we need him.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Yes but...they've only been here one full season.
If they can’t trust their GM, they need to fire his ass.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I agree.
I just think this is a strong sign that the owners trust the entire FO from Nolan to JD. That is great news for the organization.
It also means that Nolan’s authority over large spending on personnel isn’t absolute. It is a group effort. I like that.
I think if Nolan Ryan had
drawn a line in the sand…“I’m leaving if we do this”…it wouldn’t have been done.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
x
The owners probably said "Fuck it…we need him."
I doubt that very seriously and you have absolutely nothing to base this on.
by elvis1isking on Jan 2, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Why do you always dream up scenarios where Nolan and JD can oppose each other?
Once again, things don’t have to be as black and white as you want them to be. It doesn’t have to be JD on the side of “DARVISH AT ALL COSTS” and Nolan Ron Pauling all over his face about fiscal restraint.
This was a collective decision made by the organization.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Did you ever figure out that the Rangers
played the DBacks and faced Haren in 2009?
I missed your apology / admitting you were wrong.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
So you're just not going to answer the question at all.
Continue making shit up with no foundation about the relationship between Nolan and JD.
Just like every day.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
So you're clear that the Rangers
faced DHaren and the Diamondbacks in 2009?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Are you that JD is the best GM in team history?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
That's kind of like saying RG3
is the best athlete in Baylor’s history.
That list isn’t exactly a Who’s Who.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You jelly?
I found a picture of all of your Heisman Trophies from Tech.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Not at all...he was a class act.
Nobody can figure out why somebody that good would waste his career in Waco.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I agree
Nolan and JD aren’t going to make a winning bid over $50 million if they don’t agree that Yu has some tremendous big league potential. Likely they knew what kind of salary might be needed in addtion. Take that with a not-so-serious offer to BGL, and it looks like Yu has been in their plans all along. This is not a JD vs. Nolan situation in my opinion.
I don't think it is either...I think Nolan's
major objection was solely about the investment involved but not with Darvish’s talent.
When Simpson Davis said they had no problem with the money, Ryan gave the greenlight.
Make no mistake, this is still JD’s Baby. He’s the one that went over to Japan and made sure his scouts went to every start he made this past year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Do you think Nolan thinks...
That Darvish will be an average or slightly above average pitcher?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I have no idea.
The silence is deafening.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Why does Nolan have to express an opinion independent of the bid itself?
Because that bid is a pretty good statement about the organization’s belief in Darvish, right?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Why would Nolan say a word before the contract is signed?
If you believe he’s so concerned about money and years it would make sense to know what the money and years are before talking out of your ass. Nolan’s not you.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 2, 2012 1:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Who first came up with the JD and Nolan don't like each other meme?
It was annoying then, it was annoying when Adam was spinning it, it has been annoying since, and it is annoying now…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
And I think ..after a rough start
(JD getting pissed about being castrated / Nolan not liking JD’s work from 2006-2008)…they’ve found a way to work together.
They’ve said as much.
I do think JD has been the loudest voice in the organization touting Darvish…that doesn’t mean they don’t have a good working relationship.
It does mean this is JD’s Baby.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
And JD's baby has been to two straight WS
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
After Nolan fixed The Mess.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Who gives a fuck what Nolan thinks of Yu Darvish?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 2, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Simpson Davis
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
From TR's Inbox
It seems like everything is on hold right now until the Rangers determine if they can sign Darvish. They had interest in re-signing Darren Oliver but weren’t willing to offer the one-year, $4 million contract that it would have taken to bring him back.
Fuck a bunch of DO at $4M.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
no kidding.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
It seems like every time I turn the channel to MLB Network
There is DO serving up his Batting Cage/Pitching Machine fastball to get belted over the fence by somebody. I know he only gave up 4 HRs all of last year, but damn every one seems to be on the highlight reel.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.
Actually I would be surprised if he signed almost any of them.
Because most will be looking for ML deals.
I suspect we have someone in on a minor league deal like Brett Tomko.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Why do we need another starter?
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Ranger and baseball related twitter feeds
Hey guys was curious if I could get a little help. I know there’s a post up around that has every baseball and rangers feed available. Curious if any1 knew where to find the link or could share some feeds. I’ve finally given in to twitter. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Go rangers. See Yu in October. Heh
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
by Jayslick on Jan 2, 2012 1:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Here's who I follow
https://twitter.com/#!/matchst1ck/baseball
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
anyone think chris young might be nice pickup
prob get hm for about a $1mill alot less than a flyer on webb we tried
i looked at Napoli's fantasy updates on mlb
its pretty funny to go back and watch their attitude change on each post…http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/fantasy/news/#player_id=435063&page=1
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