The Yu Darvish Contract
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 20, 2012 11:39 AM CST
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Jeff Wilson has the details of the annual salaries in the Yu Darvish contract, and they break down thusly:
2012 -- $5.5 million
2013 -- $9.5 million
2014 -- $10 million
2015 -- $10 million
2016 -- $10 million
2017 -- $11 million
That only adds up to $56 million, which is the total amount guaranteed, with Wilson saying the remainder of the $60 million reported "can be earned through roster bonuses." I'm not sure what the roster bonuses are or why the deal is set up this way. I guess if the Rangers release Darvish before his contract is up, it is a way for them to save a couple of million, but this still seems odd.
Note that the 2012 salary for Darvish is just $5.5 million. Given that the Rangers have just sent $51.7 million to the Nippon Ham Fighters for his rights, I guess it makes sense to want to have the 2012 salary figure be slightly lower than the rest of the years of the deal.
UPDATE -- Maury Brown writes that the roster bonus is $800,000 per year for each year he is not on the disabled list for more than 30 days. If he's on the disabled list for more than 30 days, the bonus is "reduced by $5,228.75 per day starting on Day 31."
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by pinoyintegrity on Jan 20, 2012 11:43 AM CST reply actions
I was thinking Bea Arthur
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
It's James Buchanan
http://www.ebay.com/itm/James-Buchanan-100-Dollar-Bill-5-2-50-/260541333449
But I don’t really get what’s going on
If you're meaning why there is that pot for them
On Wednesday, the final walk through round for players, the caddies all attempt a shot at the green on the famous #17 at the course. The closest to the hole gets the pot.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I'm picturing some Shooter McGavinesque prick doing this to screw with the caddies
and make them think they’re going to win a lot of money.
Well, Buchanan was known as "Aunt Jimmie"
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I like to think JD did the first year with...
An eye on Fielder then let the new tv deal kick in.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Not only the new tv deal
But Josh and, as it appears increasingly more, Napoli gone would free up a considerable chunk of money. Young coming off after 2013 also opens up some dough
does the new tv deal start in 2013 or 2015?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
2014?
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
It looks like 2015
that really sucks considering the Angels got their deal to kick in immediately.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yeah that's how I remember it too.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 20, 2012 11:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder if the "roster bonus" means
If Yu doesn’t or isn’t able to opt out after year 5 then his final year salary bumps up to 15 million
Other than that yeah it doesn’t make much sense unless its a signing bonus paid out in installments but then it still wouldn’t be called a “roster bonus” I dont think
Actually this is the first time I've heard of this roster bonus concept
Is it because I’m a baseball noob or is this something new that the Ninja cooked up?
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 20, 2012 11:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
No
They have had roster bonuses before, I think with Tateyama. For Tateyama, it insured that he wasn’t a Fukumori and wouldn’t get paid for being in AAA
So how does this work? Or rather, how would Yu be paid his roster bonus?
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 20, 2012 12:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It really shouldn't come up
I mean, something absolutely awful has happened if Yu isn’t on the team. But I think as long as he’s a decent pitcher, he will get his roster bonus.
what?
no options?
dont know maybe Matsuzaka. Cant access Cots right now and dont know if they would have that info anyway
Just saw on Cots that it was indeed in Dice-K's contract
I wonder what that means that Darvish then has roster bonuses. Either he can be sent to the minors or he can’t and this is just if the Rangers release him. Seems kind of strange if it is the latter.
Yeah
Like I said I wonder if its something where maybe he pitches well enough the first 5 years but isn’t able to opt out due to the Cy Young process and the “roster bonus” just increases his year 6 salary to 15 mil
Why wouldn't you just write that into the salary for his last year
It’s not like the roster bonus is any more flexible than a salary. He either can’t opt out and you have to pay him the full salary or he can. No determination of whether he was good.
I dont know
Why have a roster bonus at all
Just throwing ideas out there. For all we know it could just be a way to do the accounting of it differently.
I updated the post to explain the roster bonus
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 20, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
awesome
I was ripping you below, BTW. Great stuff.
by Colonel Travis on Jan 20, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
good lord - was NOT ripping you
sorry
by Colonel Travis on Jan 20, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
haha sure.......
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
In order for Darvish to leave in 5 he’ll pretty much have to win a Cy young award and be one of the top pitchers in his contract span. Which is a win win. If he does that than the Rangers got their money’s worth if not than they span that contract out another season.
I hope Yu finishes at 3rd for 5 seasons
And win tge CYA in his last year with us.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 20, 2012 12:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We used titles around here.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I like it.
I think its a great deal. With Ryan, Greg Maddux, and Mike Maddux set to groom him and help him transition into his roles, I think he’ll start opening eyes (in a positive way) in 2 years. Plus the Rangers have 2 Japanese pitchers as well as Lewis to help with the transition.
Wilson will make almost 15 million a year and that’s pretty pricey
We have to be the moat popular team in Japan right now
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 20, 2012 11:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i'm not soo sure about that either
i think its shared revenue by all the clubs for merch sales in Japan.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Very interesting...
Such a low amount… If they don’t sign Prince, I think it shows they are pretty constrained this year.
Honestly
It would be great if they signed Fielder but if they don’t its not saying their constrained its saying the don’t want to pay 200 million for 10 yrs of his services. That’s smart. You keep your core intact that way. Plus they didn’t lose the WS because of their Lineup they lost because of Pitching.
Cole Hamels is not coming here.
I live to play the devil's advocate.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Jan 20, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'm Captain Obvious
didn’t you know?
I live to play the devil's advocate.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Jan 20, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Personally
I dont really care to keep our core offensive players around much longer. At least not a majority of them.
True but it would hurt the chance of them keeping a contending team on the field in the future. That’s if they paid the 200 million. But the Rangers are smart enough to only bring him in at lower years and at a much lower price which odds are in favor with the Rangers since nobody is really rushing to get Fielder on their roster. He’s only visited one team and that’s the Rangers. So I hope they sign him but only at the right price.
Nellie from Game 6 says hello
He absofuckinglutely should have caught that ball or assploded into the wall trying, and I love NC-17. I just blame him(as much as anybody) for the loss.
I sports hate you CJ.
Except they just threw down $51.7 million.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Anywhere else tthey might be showing Yu's conference
I have mlb network, will record that channel just in case but was wondering if there was anything else I might be missing.
At 7 pm?
Maybe one of the local channels but likely not Fox, NBC, ABC, or CBS. Maybe something like the CW or Ch. 21 depending what they have on otherwise.
ESPNews will probably show it
So according to this Richard Durrett article...
Part of Yu’s recruitment was a video played on the big screen at the Ballpark with Nolan speaking Japanese. I would pay many internet dollars to see this.
roster bonus is probably just a way of deferring $$$ somehow
I’m not a CPA nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I think bonuses are treated differently from a tax perspective then salary.
It is possible that
Bonus money, if paid as a 1099 may avoid both the employer and employee medicare payroll tax portions of 1.4% each, at least until 2014 if the health care bill is upheld. But if so it is not a large difference. There are other deductibility advantages for employees for 1099 income as well. This all assumes this will count as 1099 income however and not w-2.
by RabbMD on Jan 20, 2012 12:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It can't be 1099 income.
They exert control. They don’t pass the 1099 vs W-2 test.
A burden should never be something out of your control.
And if I were Yu, I'd file a form 8919 to report unpaid taxes by my employer
so I wasn’t burdened by those taxes.
No way the Rangers 1099 any bonus.
A burden should never be something out of your control.
wouldn't it be nice if these stupid fucking professional reporters thought of all these basic questions?
Geez. It ticks me off how lazy they are.
by Colonel Travis on Jan 20, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Roster bonus may be sophisticated in how it's carried out
but it raises a very basic question: What is it?
I’ve worked with these reporters, they aren’t incompetent but a lot aren’t the best and brightest, and most are way too lazy. Seriously. Half of them don’t give a shit about knowing about baseball – the game, the business, anything. On the whole they’re horrible analysts, but that’s not what I’m looking for in a reporter. I just want good information. I’m talking old media people. Internet people run circles around them, including a ton of people just on this site.
by Colonel Travis on Jan 20, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe it is just a way to make sure he isn't actually 28 and named Fausto when he applies for his visa
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
by TargetField on Jan 20, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Ruh roh, Yu's flight is going to hit some chop near northern Cali.
Someone make sure he’s seated with his seat belt on.
A burden should never be something out of your control.
not worried about northern Cal.
but he had better stay away from S. Cal. Might be some SAMs aimed at him.
pure sex
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 20, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
plane looks so peaceful back there
makes me want to go over there to get a drink, but subtly.
by Colonel Travis on Jan 20, 2012 12:40 PM CST reply actions
A DL tied roster bonus?
That seems like a really bad precedent for pitchers and something the player’s union would no doubt be opposed to. 4M isn’t a huge sum but if another team came along and made sure that Carl Pavano never happened to them, things could get ugly.
Or what would happen if Chan Ho happened to us again. Why would we ever take him off the DL?
That would be an extremely easy grievance to file
if a team left the player on the DL for no reason other than to avoid paying him.
Yeah
But what about for rehab stints and stuff
Players dont like going on those in the first place and if it starts costing them money dont you think they will start saying they are ready to go in order to get back on the roster?
I could see where it could get kinda tricky. It also may cause a player to pitch through something minor which then turns into something major.
Wasn't Chan Ho pretty much injured the entire time he was here?
The other issue is what if you are kind of injured but the player wants to pitch and the team doesn’t want him to. We already have players withholding injuries and that has nothing to do with it being tied to money (usually).
But that doesn’t even touch on the ramifications of what happens when a player is actually injured completely. These roster bonuses get to be a high enough percentage of the overall salary, and you basically can’t say you have guaranteed contracts anymore. Maybe this is a better system (more equitable) but it’s definitely not good for players given the system they have now.
We're not getting any Fielder rumors at all
especially in reference to other teams. The only thing I have seen is the Rangers still have an interest if things are creative enough. The nationals are pretty silent on this front and I don’t know that any other team is legitimately looking at him. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a dry market for such a great hitter. What an opportunity we have.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
J.D. isn't the only ninja out there
I’m sure there is someone talking to Fielder and we just haven’t heard about it
I just wonder
if Boras didn’t over-promise to Prince the idea of a $200M contract as in the bag. It could make for some awkward negotiations if they still aren’t at the point where they are going to consider offers less than that.
I really don’t think any team is willing to go there.
Boras has had to do this before
Markets don’t always end up the way you thought they would. Fielder came out at the same time as Pujols and Reyes. Just his bad luck.
I guess
but if Pujols or Reyes weren’t options, I think the Marlins and Angels both go after Fielder.
which is to say
that there are many years in which Fielder would be the best player available in FA. Seems like there is always one team interested in signing the best player, regardless of other specifics like position.
What they've been saying is
that Prince doesn’t have as much appeal for the Latin market as Pujols does, and thus will not generate as much revenue for them.
Of course, there may be more than that to this story.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 20, 2012 1:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree that Pujols would have been more valuable
But since the contract is looking like it will be $100M less, they can sell a lot less tickets and still be looking good.
True. So I think there would be more to this story than that.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 20, 2012 1:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well
After they dropped out of the Pujols race they went and offered CJ and then signed Buerhle so now I think its a case of not having the money to sign Prince.
It's kind of funny
That with all the ridiculous money they threw around.
They ended up with Reyes, Buehrle, and Heath Bell.
That’s so lame.
If the reports are true, they offered Pujols about as much as, or possibly more than what the Angels gave Pujols.
They would have enough money to go after Prince even after signing Buehrle.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 20, 2012 1:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well again Pujols brings a element that at least they have decided that Prince doesn't bring
Which is the Latino fan
It may be a case where Pujols would bring in X amount of extra revenue from his Latino influence to his records chase etc that they could afford him whereas Prince couldn’t be counted on to bring that same revenue and thus they cant afford him now that they’ve spent on other parts
It's really not a hard concept to grasp.
They’re fine at 1B with Sanchez and Morrison (if necessary). Pujols was an option largely because of his marketability with Latinos. Prince obviously doesn’t have that, so they’re less willing to spend on him.
Which is not to say they won’t sign him, because who knows with Loria, but it’s not hard to understand why they wouldn’t go after him.
by LiamP on Jan 20, 2012 1:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just curious, for which player has he done this for in the past?
I can’t think of a circumstance of this happening to a player of this caliber.
because it hasn't happened to a player of this caliber
Ryan Madson is the biggest Boras blow-up that comes to mind.
by Colonel Travis on Jan 20, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
What do you think is going to happen to Fielder?
I still think he gets 6-140.
And Ryan Madson happened 2 weeks ago. That is the only thing you can think of?
I feel like a 6/140 contract with an opt out after 4
is a pretty good set up for him. I think it also motivates him to stay in some semblance of shape for the next contract.
Madson is the only Boras big-contract-that-never-happened example
in all the years of Big Boras Contracts, yes. Even if it was a few weeks ago. Like Jobu said – who’s had more promised to him and never got it?
by Colonel Travis on Jan 20, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
maybe he'll suggest Prince play Indy ball for a season
I think you’re right in that Boras assumed too much this year.
by Colonel Travis on Jan 20, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he can play for a year in Japan?
Just like daddy?
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 20, 2012 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hey ab03...
Just a note from yesterday’s conversation re: Cameron’s comparisons vs ZiPS projection.
ZiPS was like (and I’m going from memory from looking this morning) 918 innings, 3.54 ERA, 7.8 K/9, 2.1 BB/9 and 22.4 WAR over five years.
You had compared that to Derek Lowe like production but it’s more high value, low inning than Lowe. It’s very close to Jered Weaver like production rather than Lowe.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That would not be the first time Darvish has been compared to Chris Carpenter.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Different denomintors.
ZiPS is projecting 22.4 WAR over FIVE years… Cameron was looking at SIX year windows.
I think if you follow the logical progression of ZiPS it would probably be something like another 150 innings and 4 WAR.
Much closer to 27 WAR over 6 years than the 20-ish.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Ah, you're right
but you can just think about it as Carpenter without the injuries. It’s still roughly 900 innings, <8K/9, 2BB/9
Come on let's make this a huge day.
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
One rival executive believes the #Rangers will end up with Prince Fielder. "They are experts at playing possum," he said. #Nationals
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
the nationals SBN blog is mixed about whether they are even in the mix.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 20, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
It's not as obvious a fit as the Rangers
and honestly, as apprehensive as teams are (rightfully) about the weight thing, national league teams should be doubly so. He is obviously on the career path of a future DH, David Ortiz-style.
100% agree
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 20, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Let's start a fund to launch Tim Cowlishaw and Gerry Fraley into the sun...
From Tim…
If I’m lining up the Rangers’ rotation, I’m going with Colby Lewis-Derek Holland-Yu Darvish-Alexi Ogando-Neftali Feliz in that order with Matt Harrison in the bullpen. I think it accomplishes two or three things.
One is it rewards Lewis for the big wins he has delivered in the past two postseasons. It also creates something of a friendly competition between the rest of the young starters in Ron Washington’s rotation. And it keeps Holland, who should eventually emerge as the ace of this team, from opening the season against every opponent’s No. 1 pitcher.
Obviously, how these six pitchers and presumably Scott Feldman pitch in Arizona starting next month will factor into the equation. But this would be my order for now.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I never understood people who suggest we send Harrison to the pen
Wonder what their logic is.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 20, 2012 1:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly, He's not exactly done anything good when he's been in the pen
He’s not the type of pitcher you want in the pen. He doesnt have the psyche for it. And most importantly, he was really good as a SP last year, why move a young, good SP back into the pen?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
In addition,
Why send Harrison to the pen when we have another guy that is proven to be a stud coming out of the pen?
Just doesn’t make sense at all.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 20, 2012 1:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lord
I’m starting to realize why I had all these dumb ideas in my head growing up as a Rangers fan. All I’d read was Tim Cowlishaw and company’s writings.
Fraley also had an article talking about how great the Angels pitching staff was compared to the Rangers...
Because of all the pitching duels they were in on that Bill James list.
Of course they get in pitchers duels… having a mediocre offense and good pitching will do that.
If you have an elite offense… YOU WIN GAMES BY MORE. Just because the Rangers don’t get in as many pitching duels doesn’t mean they don’t have great pitchers.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Being relevant is more important than being credible.
But I don’t like lumping Galloway in with the Colishaw’s and Skip Bayless’s of the world.
Gotta go with ab03 on this.
Cowlishaw is not as bad as Galloway and Bayless is as worthless as Galloway
A burden should never be something out of your control.
Maybe. I'm not the #1 authority on Galloway.
I don’t hate him, because I know what he is, and I do listen to what he says when talking Rangers.
He'd be much better if he wasn't so damn lazy
I’m the opposite of you when he’s talking Rangers, although I want to like him more because he does have baseball wisdom every now and then. Once upon a time he was an authority. He’s nowhere near that now. Just wish he’d work more at it instead of resting on his I’m A Columnist laurels.
by Colonel Travis on Jan 20, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
got my shades on
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
He can opt out of the 6th year.
If one of two things happens:
A) Wins the Cy Young award in one year and finishes in the top five in one other year.
B) Finishes 2nd in the Cy Young award in one year and finishes in the top five in two other years.
This is from Jon Daniels interview on Ben & Skin yesterday morning which is available via their podcast. He said this was roughly what it was because he didn’t have it in front of him.
You don’t have to admit you were completely wrong… we knew you were before the contract was signed.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
X
If it is a 6 year contract I expect it to be in excess of $75M, if so kudos to the Rangers Org for ponying up and absorbing high risk for high reward. We shall see.
by WaJo on Jan 18, 2012 2:15 PM CST
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Thanks Match........I am pleasantly suprised at the contract
It looks like the Rangers did a fantastic job recuiting Yu.
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