Saturday morning Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 21, 2012 9:05 AM CST
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PrintThis morning? The Yu...its all about the Yu...
The Yu Darvish press conference was yesterday.
Anthony Andro has a story on the press conference.
T.R. Sullivan has a story on the press conference.
Jeff Wilson has a story on the press conference.
Richard Durrett has a story on the press conference.
Gil Lebreton has a column on the press conference.
T.R. Sullivan writes that the Rangers are expecting Darvish to fit in in the clubhouse.
Evan Grant has a piece on Darvish behind the paywall.
Gerry Fraley, behind the paywall, calls Yu Darvish "an expensive No. 3 starting pitcher" and says that the A.L. West will come down to C.J. Wilson v. Darvish.
Sullivan has a story about the Rangers' scouting and recruitment of Darvish.
Drew Davison has a story on the Rangers' options for the starting rotation.
Bob Simpson says the Rangers can't afford Prince Fielder at Fielder's current asking price, and also says he'd rather re-sign Josh Hamilton than sign Fielder.
Barry Horn has a Q&A with Chuck Morgan, talking about what he did before joining the Rangers and his appearance on the MLB Network's new quiz show.
Wilson has a story on the signing of Brad Hawpe to a minor league contract. Hawpe, who will likely start the season at AAA, provides some additional depth at first base and the corner outfield spots.
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"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
except that its not
maybe on the Angels but he’s a top of the rotation guy on many teams
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I think that's what I tried to say
but it certainly seems I wasn’t clear.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
ok gotcha brosef
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
5.5M isn't all that expensive for a #3. :)
I wonder what talent evaluator Fraley decided to pull his #3 label from?
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
I don't think it's evaluative
I would hope not, at least. But most people project Darvsh to start the season as the Rangers’ #3, with Colby going in game 1 and Holland or Harrison in game 2.
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by Conjunction on Jan 21, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure if I like this.
Bob Simpson says the Rangers can’t afford Prince Fielder at Fielder’s current asking price, and also says he’d rather re-sign Josh Hamilton than sign Fielder.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 9:15 AM CST reply actions
hey Bob, let the baseball people make the decisions
k thx
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
by shock00 on Jan 21, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he means from a budget perspective.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
We'll tell you where
to stick the Moneypenis™
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
by Atticus F on Jan 21, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
How am I the first to rec this?
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Jan 21, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
He must be replying to the Boras implication that Boras can be successful working directly with the owners on fielder
I like to hear that the baseball people make presentations to ownership for significant financial commitments, such as with yu. In other words, the baseball people have to justify the reasons for the significant commitment, and ownership supports it. Texas is in an ideal situation now.
I also like it when Bob uses “we” – that means it is a group decision.
by Scruffy Nurfherder on Jan 21, 2012 9:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It takes a team
to wield the Moneypenis, for it is so behemoth.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Today is the day.
Just wait, you’ll see.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 21, 2012 9:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions
The day of the Rapture
Where the Prince of Fielders comes down to the Holy Land
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 9:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Did JD teach Simpson the way of the ninja?
I can see why they would want to keep josh (its hard not to like a guy like josh)… hopefully he lets JD et al do the selecting etc.
maybe he's under the impression that Josh will sign a very team friendly deal
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Making adjustments
The ballpark itself – the dimensions. When I was here in January, I was on the mound and I looked over the right-center wall and it seemed a little bit closer. I was asking my GM (Daniels) if they could back that up a little bit. I don’t know where they are with that.
That cracked me up!
This!
Spekt, he shows it.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Jan 21, 2012 10:55 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's a quote from the press conference
HNNNNNNGGGGG
by JoseTres on Jan 21, 2012 10:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
CJ is not a number 3. Fraley called him that because he hated Wilson.
CJ put up a 2.31 road ERA last year in 121 IPs (2.50 ERA the last two years in 210 Ips)..
Danny Haren put up a road 3.75 ERA in 127 IPs.
Jered Weaver put up a road 2.93 ERA in 123 IPs.
Felix Hernandez? He put up a road 3.28 ERA in 123 IPs.
Justin Verlander? He put up a road 2.43 ERA in 133 IPs.
CJ is somewhere between a 1 or a 2 but is also improving with age. He is going to absolutely kick ass in Cali this year and is a dark horse Cy Young candidate.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That would work out great for your favorite team, wouldn't it?
Or do you like the Dodgers better than the Angels. Go back to HH and kiss some more ass!
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Jan 21, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
He's no longer on our team.
Are you going to ride his coattails all season?
by lost in space on Jan 21, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Like a monkey hanging off his dick.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Welp
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Bullshit.
He may be their ace.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
let's see what he is with that defense
and his BBs, especially if Trout isn’t in CF
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
actually Angels defense is quite good
his walk rates will trouble him, I agree with that.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Trout in CF would be a defensive downgrade for the Angels
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 21, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
did Bourjos play most of the time there last year?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
do you think they are going to seriously try out Trumbo at 3rd
that would be a downgrade
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I hope for it every night before bed.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 21, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
Me too.
Callaspo is a mediocre hitter… but he provides solid defense for them.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Didn't Callaspo have an OPS around .750 last year?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
.740
good for 10th in the AL at 3rd. I’d say that is below average
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
It's fairly spare but his bat wasn't the problem on that team.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
callaspo is absolutely part of the problem
they have a bunch of good defenders that don’t hit the ball well….they scored 667 runs to the Rangers 855
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Mathis, Abreu and Wells were the big problems last year.
I’m going to be shocked if the Angels score below 750 runs this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
of course, you would absolutely love that wouldn't you
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Why?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
for you to be right and everyone else be wrong
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Because you're an Angels fan who just comes here to troll and be an ass.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Welp
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Neither was starting pitching
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
#4 is too much of a stretch I think
CJ is definitely better than Santana
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
CJ is better than Haren.
The question is how he stacks up to Weaver.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Haren is a better pitcher than CJ
He has a far better track record, and had a higher WAR than CJ last season.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
yup agreed
He was the #1 on the Rangers
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I think I saw an Angels fan say this exact same thing in some other message board.
He is going to absolutely kick ass in Cali this year and is a dark horse Cy Young candidate.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
can I offer you some warm milk?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
no,
but you can offer them a warm glass of shut the hell up
"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili
by Justin Biehle on Jan 21, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
wow..let the venom fly..lol
CJ in my opinion..pitched way above what was expected the last 2 yrs..i dont think he will get better with age..if he had been so dominant our scouts FO would have seen it but he was only a fair to good reliever..we gave him a try as SP out of need..he worked out but he has hit his ceiling and will start downward trend
What specifically has CJ done that makes you think he's hit his ceiling?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
do you think he'll get better?
he’s already in his 30’s.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
He's been a starter for two years in The Show and is now
going to Cali….yes, I think he’s going to take at least one more step forward.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
fair enough....i disagree, i think he'll be a combo of his last 2 yrs
which is still awesome
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I expect 210 IPs from CJ and an ERA around 2.50-2.75 this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'll say anywhere from 3-3.25 ERA
i think he’ll be good but not quite as good as last year
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
CJ had a 2.94 ERA / 102 IPs last year when it was
the hottest fucking summer evah.
He’s getting better and with half his starts in that park…he’s going to be very good in 2012.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
2.94 ERA / 102 IPs (that were in Arlington)..
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
i'll stand by my prediction
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
AFFL
Angels Fan For Life!!!
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 21, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
I would wager money against C.J. putting up an ERA lower than 2.75
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm not making internet wagers.
I also think Napoli puts up an OPS above .900 (if he’s healthy).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
BBMV
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 21, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
Oh I know you won't make wagers on the internet.
I’m just saying… I would bet money against it. That’s an ambitious projection for any pitcher.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So what do you think CJ's ERA will be if he pitches 200 IPs this year?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
3.40-3.50
I can definitely see it being lower… I can also see it being higher.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
What will Darvish's ERA be if he throws 200 IPs?
I’m going to be shocked if it’s below 4.50.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
that's a relief
because you are at the forefront of evaluating Darvish’s talent
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
About 3.50-3.70
ZiPS is predicting 3.62.
ZiPS also predicted Colby Lewis would translate very well.
Command is command… if you can strike out guys and not walk them… you’ll be successful.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
that ERA sounds about right
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Colby Lewis also had experience in The Show
before coming back.
I expect Yu to have early success because he’s new and talented and after The Show gets a handle on him, he’ll struggle.
.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Do you think Matt Moore is going to struggle this year for the same reason?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
He's had 15 innings in "The Show"
What about Matt Moore makes him more likely to adjust to the league adjusting to him than Darvish?
Darvish is hyper competitive who basically does nothing but work out and focus on baseball. He’s started using ML style balls in his training even before he posted and changed his routine to every 6 days instead of every 7 days like other Japanese pitchers.
He is more focused on succeeding than you seem to grasp. He has that Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan level of ultra insane competitiveness.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The Japanese pitchers that I've seen
depend on deception more than anything else. I suspect that’s why they’ve been so successful when used out of the bullpen.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Darvish is unlike any Japanese pitcher to ever be posted
you can’t compare them.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
He touches 97 with his fastball.
He’s bigger than Josh Hamilton.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Everybody's gotta plan until they get hit in the mouth.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
I know.
I saw C.J. and Michael Young get hit in the mouth in the post season. It sucked.
Every player has to adjust… other than being from Japan… you’ve provided no reason that Darvish can’t adjust like every other pitcher who comes up.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Nice shoehorn...nothing about Beltre going 0 for 12 in Detroit or sucking the life out of the offense in Game 7 of the World Series?
It has nothing to do with Darvish being Japanese and everything to do with him having success in that particular league (the pitchers that come from that league happen to be Japanese).
He’s never been lit up for a sustained period in his life and that’s going to happen this year. He’s going to have to conquer dealing with failure.
He’s also having to do it while pitching half his games in a very tough ballpark against the very best hitters in the world.
Like I said, I expect early success and then a string of failure.
The key to him becoming a very good to great pitcher is how deals with that failure and how he deals with pitching in Arlington.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't that true for every stud who dominates the minor leagues?
Like Matt Moore? Moore is only two years younger… spent years KILLING minor league hitters.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Isn't Moore 3 years younger?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
2 years in baseball years.
Moore is heading into his age 23 season and Darvish is heading into his age 25.
But that’s because of June and August birthdays.
Moore is 34 months younger than Darvish.
Moore has 6 years in the minors compared to 7 years in the NPB for Darvish.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
34 months...so basically 3 years.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Yes.
Fluke of birthdays… I just knew Moore was heading into age 23 and Darvish age 25.
But Moore is at the very end of the cutoff and Darvish the very beginning.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
What difference do their ages make?
What is the point of this particular debate?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I brought it up to indicate
Matt Moore has spent almost as much time dominating non ML players as Darvish has.
Age was the wrong mention… I should have just mentioned the 6 years Moore has spent in the minors.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And regardless...
EVERY player who dominates in a league other than the ML would be subject to what you described… not just Darvish.
And fortunately he obsessed with success. All that guy does is work and study and focus on baseball.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yu spent more years killing NPB hitters
I don’t understand the argument that Moore will be better then Darvish.
by RangerMad on Jan 21, 2012 10:51 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I never said Moore would be better than Darvish.
We have seen glimpses of Moore against the very best in The Show when it meant the most and he’s been stellar.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Can we judge players based on their performance when it meant the most?
Is that valid?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It's entirely possible that Moore will be better
But it’s not definite simply because Moore has pitched 20 innings in the ML or in America before.
Josey will never like this move until after it has proven itself. To do so would be to give our scouting operation and baseball decision-makers not named Nolan credit.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I will be critical of the move if it fails.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
You've been critical of the move already.
And you are starting from the same “this is a bad idea, he’s going to fail!” place that you did with Colby.
And you have absolutely no evidence to support it.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I'm critical of the move because
it’s a $ 110 million investment.
Yu needs to be one of the top 5 pitchers for the next 5-6 years for this to be successful.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Based on what?
Why top 5 rather than 7 or 10?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
5 was the last number that got shoved up his ass,
so when he reached up there to pull a number out, it was first.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Welp
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Is your next thing going to be to all-caps at people to take the next step?
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
You think there are only 5 pitchers
That if you were capable of getting them for money only would cost $110M?
I can name 15 easily.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
you were critical of the Rangers
because they didn’t have money and could only afford Nathan. Now, you’re critical when they spend too much.
If the Rangers had signed CJ, you would have harped that they are the same team. You turn everything into a negative.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
It's not that they didn't have money, it's what
they’re spending their money on.
How in the fuck do you let your ace go to your chief rival?
Where is the Josh extension? The Kinz extension? The Napoli extension? The Cobra extension?
How come we couldn’t sign Holland?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't he our "ace" heading into the season?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
in title only
doesn’t mean you give him an extension
by RangerMad on Jan 21, 2012 11:17 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I know that...he's just our ace.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
All of these questions stem from the same place.
You don’t trust our FO outside of Nolan. Every decision, whether it is to act or not act, is inherently questionable. Your benefit of the doubt constantly goes against our own people.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
by Aqua on Jan 21, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The same people that wanted Millwood,
Padilla. Harden and Brandon Webb (about $ 100 million) want to invest $ 110 million in Yu Darvish.
Our FO has been much better since Nolan grabbed the wheel but I don’t have blind faith in them.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Kevin Millwood was absolutely worth what we paid him.
The only reason you threw him into this quartet was to get to $100 million, which is irrelevant anyway.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Millwood was only worth the money in 2009
And maybe 2006, though I wouldn’t pay 8 million for that production.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
You're one of those guys who
thinks Millwood was worth $ 15 million in 2008.
How come the Rangers paid the Orioles to take him in 2010?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Because they didn't think he'd be worth what they were paying him that year
He was in the middle of dropping off, and they found a willing taker.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
They were strapped for cash and
starting pitching yet paid somebody to take him off their hands.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on why it fails.
I don’t believe in judging everything by hindsight results.
I’d rather judge the process.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
As good as Darvish's stuff is...
Moore’s may be better. He’s younger and basically an inhuman strikeout machine.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Also tons of groundballs and no homers
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Of course its going to be more than 4.50
Much like Colby Lewis, JD is expecting Darvish to do something he’s never done before by pitching in the Majors. He’s obviously going to suck.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Just like Colby.
You can’t say you were on the fence with this one.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Are you kidding?
He still says he was on the fence about Colby despite numerous posts where he trashed Colby, his agent, and any pitcher coming over from Japan.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
His agent was an idiot.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
And you're a troll.
What’s your point?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Welp
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I was on the fence with Colby.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
3...2....1
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Spent his whole career walking people at one of the worst rates in baseball for starters.
And had a massive improvement in one year.
Odds favor regression to the mean every single time.
That doesn’t mean C.J. can’t be an exception… but if you bet on the longshot every time… you’ll lose money.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And for the record... his massive improvement in walks still put him above league average.
He went from being one of the very worst to just a little worse than league average.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
wall rate and unsustainable low babip
means trouble for CJ
by RangerMad on Jan 21, 2012 9:47 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Those 100+ IPs he used to pitch in Arlington are now
going to be replace by 100+ IPs in Cali.
He’s a physical fitness freak, healthy and has a big chip on his shoulder.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
And the ballpark affects walk rates how?
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
BECAUSE THE JET STREAM HAS AN ADVERSE AFFECT ON CALLING BALLS AND STRIKES
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
OH SHIT THAT'S RIGHT I'M SUCH A BASEBALL NOOB
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
C.J. has walked more on the road than at home the past two years as a starter.
2010: 12.8% on the road, 9.5% at home
2011: 9.0% on the road, 7.1% at home
His road ERA is helped greatly by very low road BABIP.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
the road BABIP isn't sustainable correct?
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Eh.
It’s not really known. The general rule of thumb is that BABIP is mostly luck… but a good defense behind you can help… and there is some thought that pitchers have SOME control over it when you see certain pitchers consistently having a lower BABIP every year.
In this case… I think the low aspect is a bit of noise.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
CJ also induces a ton of weak contact (which is why he survived his walk rate) so BABIP gets
really tricky with him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
His BABIP flucuates like everyone elses.
His career is .287… his road career is .290.
Last year it was .277 on the road, the year before .250. That’s a big part of why the ERA is lower.
If he can somehow keep his walk rates well below career average and control his BABIP in some way… he can continue having that kind of ERA probably.
That is very unlikely.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Nothing you said changes anything I said...
Or refutes it in any way.
You asked why C.J. may have hit his ceiling… that’s one of the biggest reasons why.
Career years are career years.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Good lord.
You can be the biggest kiss ass sometimes.
How many players can you say this about? …70%?
He’s a physical fitness freak, healthy and has a big chip on his shoulder.
by lost in space on Jan 21, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
What did CJ do when the FO gave him a chance to become a starter in 2010?
Most players / pitchers have chips on their shoulders but only a few can do something about it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
hey we all liked CJ......the media types didn't but LSB did
he’s gone….. let the healing begin.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Doesn't this thread mention Fraley and what he thought about CJ?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
yes it did...and Fraley's an idiot
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
And I'm discussing Fraley's take on Wilson supposedly being a number 3 starter...that's ridiculous...
of course, I don’t think Yu is a number 3 either.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You think he's an ace?
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 21, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Hell no.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
What I dont understand about your point
is you talk about who pitched well when the light shines the brightest. Fair enough. Did you watch the playoffs last year? I was at game 1 against TB ( as you probably were also ). CJ kind of sucked .. when the lights were brightest.
I understand your love of Matt Moore. He was awesome. Unfortunately, he is not available to the Rangers. Yu was.
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
CJ was outstanding in the 2010 playoffs....when the lights were the brightest.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Do you think C. Lee had anything to do with that?
by lost in space on Jan 21, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Those cheers he led for CJ didn't hurt
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'm thinking pitching in consecutive days might have really given Ceej an edge.
Just a thought.
by lost in space on Jan 21, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
How so?
You do realize Lee STBF in Game 1 of the World Series while CJ had an excellent Game 2 outing.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I believe Ceej benefited greatly,
rather is was a poor pitched game or great pitched game from Lee every time.
by lost in space on Jan 21, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Ok that's fine.
Stop shoving it down our throats repeatedly though.
I guarantee we hear you say this at least 100 times before ST begins.
by lost in space on Jan 21, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
Just responding to the thread topic, space.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
and
and obviously his c@ck in your mouth
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Jan 21, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
well I messed that up
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Jan 21, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
And this, right here...is where a dumbass from the sidelines throws a Malatov Cocktail into the fray.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Timberlake says...
“Cry me a river, ah ah ah ah…”
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 21, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
underrated song
For the subject matter alone.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Oh great.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I say he wilts.
I will awaken my expectations for the Cowboys when Jerry Jones is in the ground.
by Lord Humungus on Jan 21, 2012 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
Gerry Fraley is fuckin' clown shoes.
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
Fraley was one of those local megia shit-heads (along with EG) who was giddy
about how much money CJ supposedly lost because of what happened in the post-season.
I like Fraley because he has some loose cannon in him and doesn’t publicly fellate the FO but when he hates a player, he’ll let that obscure his judgment to his detriment.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Evan Grant publicly fellated Tom Hicks.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Evan Grant lathered him with praise till the very end.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Your point must be
don’t publicly fellate bad front offices. I agree with you, but it’s not relevant to what we’re talking about.
I think that it has always been
that once in a while, a columnist would think up a conclusion, then work backwards from there to develop a column. But it wasn’t all the time, just once in awhile. And also every once in awhile, they’d churn out a column that was so brilliant or touching or original, you would think that I need to buy this column everyday, this writer is incredible. He merged truth, the human condition and sports together in 1,200 words. I haven’t seen that locally for quite awhile.
Now, for sure on the local scene, just come up with something stupid, and try to connect the dots. I’m sure there are economic reasons driving this, but it sure does suck.
"I can't believe you like money too. We should hang out. "
+1
Besides JJT he’s the only sports guy in town I’d call a bonafide a-hole. He gets paid for being a dis likable a-hole.
I will awaken my expectations for the Cowboys when Jerry Jones is in the ground.
by Lord Humungus on Jan 21, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
so the PF market
Texas
seattle
baltimore
Washington
Toronto
New York
Miami
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 9:39 AM CST reply actions
Good night, sweet Prince.
Basically no team in baseball wants you.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 21, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
Sure seems that way, from what the reports tell us
Heck, we say we don’t want Prince either.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
thats not really true... i interpret it as "we want prince... just not at his current asking price."
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
which is I guess what you said.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
which is pretty much everyone on the list
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
he is still going to be very expensive with a player friendly contract.
I guess my point is… TX is the only team that PF makes perfect sense for. The timing and situation is absolutely 100% perfect.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
I agree, the conditions seem perfect
except I wish our TV deal started a bit earlier
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
no..we say we dont know if we can work out a contract
BIG difference..in fact..i think the Hawpe signing opens the door for Rangers to maybe trade Moreland if they get Prince
what does moreland really get us? a fringy low A prospect and 500K?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
I could see him in the NL to be honest with you...
can play 1B and RF.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
I love Chuck Morgan
There have been a lot of players over the years including Steve Boooooooo-Shell and Juan Gone-Zalez and Nelson Croooooooooooz. There has always been a big roar when I would say Nolan Ryan. But my favorite thing I have said over the p.a. at the Ballpark is, “Good evening and welcome to Game 3 of the World Series.” That was pretty special.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
He'll have to say "Game 1" this year
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 10:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
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Richard Durrett @espn_durrett
As for Simpson comments, he didn’t close door on Prince. I think club sending Boras signal that price must drop for them to jump in.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Simpson and JD
are playing a one up game. I bet I can fool the media into thinking we have no money before we drop a 51 million dollar bid on Yu. I bet I can fool them into thinking we have no money before we sign Prince.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 21, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
They don't have money. They are running a deficit until 2015 according to Simpson.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Does that include the 60 million they are supposedly pumping into the club until then?
Ownership has stated before they will be running a deficit for a few years and pumping money into the club (60 million over 4 years) so is that what he’s talking about?
it has to be naturally dropping right? he has no market.....
you cant demand 8 years 200 million and have no biters this late in January.. and still demand the same shit….
obviously that isnt appetizing to any of the 30 MLB ballclubs.
it seems like the pressure is on PF and Boras… and Im loving every second of this game.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
SF
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
i mean SF?? dont see that at all.
Nats are lurking.. but I dont think they will make a serious offer.
Mariners are reportedly the only team to make him an offer.. Id like to see what that offer was.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
SF will be busy trying to lock up Cain and Lincecum
Their GM also said they will not be signing any big FA’s this offseason.
Yeah, I don’t see the Giants joining the fray either.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
SF
Don’t really get their lack of interest.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 21, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
The longer he stays out there
The more and more likely it is that they eventually bite on a short term deal that gets Prince into FA again soon.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Which, given his market right now,
is the best thing for him. Boras has to do his Borasings though, I guess.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Agreed
PF had the misfortune to hit the free agent market the same year as Puols at a position that is stocked by the Red Sox and Yanks. A very short term deal that allows him to hit the market in a different dynamic makes all the sense in the world but Boras and the players assoc would have a melt down about him signing a short term deal.
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
the Cubs, Mets and Dodgers
should have their respective messes cleaned up in a couple years. Two years in Arlington couldn’t hurt him
by RangerMad on Jan 21, 2012 1:22 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Gotta believe the Dodgers will be squared away by next off-season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
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The belief is that Carmona has been paying the family of the real Carmona for the use of his identification and refused to increase hush money payments after the Indians picked up his $7 million club option for 2012 in October. Carmona made $6.1 million with the Indians last season. The U.S. government began an investigation after Carmona was outed on the radio show and he was arrested when he went to apply for his work visa earlier this week.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
no shit, what an idiot.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
f'real mad
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
And this is why blackmail usually works
No one’s happy when no one gets paid.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
My favorite comment from the press conference.
When asked a dumb butt question about if he could’ve gotten the last strike in Game 6:
“If it was last year, I would have given up a home run and lost the game,” Darvish said. “This year I won’t let that happen.”
Made light of a ridiculously dumb question while not throwing a team mate under the bus and exhibiting both self deprecation and resolve to get better. Amazing response. Especially for a 25-yo rock star sports superstar.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Agreed.
I had to listen on the radio last night and was astounded by the questions.
I would be embarrassed if I was in that room last night.
by lost in space on Jan 21, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Yea, good point
Definitely on his toes… Hard to do coming into a foriegn press conference where everything is coming from a context you barely understand.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Did he say this really?
Got some wits, this guy does.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Without hesitation. He didn't pause or anything after the translator translated that stupid question.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
That's impressive
Responds to stupidity with wisdom. I like that.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 10:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
he didn't speak any english at it
had an interpreter…….he was quoted that he understands it ok but doesn’t speak it that well
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Oh alright, I misread part of Andro's article and though he answered some in English.
it was the 6-5 Darvish who handled fastballs and softballs in both English and Japanese.
when one of the lady questioners greeted him and welcomed him to Tx I thought I saw him nod to the woman and
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
smile briefly so I think he certainly understood her.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
He is planning on using the interpreter to the media...
And English more with his teammates.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
His father said that he doesn't plan to use a interpreter at all around his teammates.
He really wants to learn to fluently speak English.
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
No English. Responds in Japanese and a translator fills us in.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
This is so great
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
There was one point where a reporter asked him how he handles the pressure and expectation of pitching here
He joked something to the effect of he does not feel pressure because he is “dumb in the head”, but it got lost in translation.
Anyone else listen to the full Bob Simpson interview on 103.3 just now?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If it's not too long before you see this post, you can still listen to it online
their internet player is like a radio DVR… You can rewind up to three hours from the current time.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/dallas/play
It starts at about 10:04.
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Jan 21, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
No
Anything new come out of that interview?
by Rangers Fan Mike on Jan 21, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
So...
Listening to Simpson talk… the Hamilton thing was clearly him and he said it in a tone like people don’t agree with him. Also said he doesn’t pick players.
He said it would be nice to have him and Fielder… but unless Fielder drops his price the Rangers aren’t in the game.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
One thing I liked
Simpson said in his business, he wasn’t a wildcatter… Wildcatting doesn’t usually work. Said he focused on proven producers.
Along with the often-recited, “hire good people and trust them”, was that a little shot at Jerry Jones?
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Jan 21, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Probably not intentional...
although I think we can all find a way to see it as a dig at Jerry.
by lost in space on Jan 21, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Fun fact
I am looking at the ZiPS projections for the Angels. They were done before Pujols signed, so Pujols isn’t included in them.
Anyway, ZiPS projects three Angels to have an OBP higher than .330:
Mike Trout, at .338, who will probably start the season in AAA
Bobby Abreu, also at .338, who they are trying to trade
And Alberto Callaspo, at .334, who they are trying to replace at 3B with Mark Trumbo
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 21, 2012 10:15 AM CST reply actions
dipetro
moneyball
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
How many runs do you think the Angels score in 2012?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
2
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
by Gdawg on Jan 21, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not enough.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I'm betting Pujols is at .380-.390
Doesn’t change the fact that their offense sucks
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 10:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
might the Angels get a "Bradley effect"
similar to what happened to the Rangers the year Bradley was with them?
What happened when Bradley was with them?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I don't think that was simply Bradley helping everyone's OBP
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Absolutely.
And Trout will take a step forward and Wells should be better plus no Mathis at catcher.
I’m trying to figure out how the Angels don’t win 98 games in 2012.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
You are such a chickenshit for not putting something on the line for these bullshit predictions.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Who cares
Tired bit after tired bit. We’re going to win the division again – best not to engage.
Also
Thinking that Pujols and CJ are going to make a 12-game improvement in the standings is….well not correct
CJ is taking 34 starts that went to spares last year.
They also have Pujols.
They also have some young talent that’s in the 24-28 age window who should get better plus both Trout and Wells should be better.
They’re going to be tough.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, sucks that the Rangers don't have any young talent.
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
by Bface on Jan 21, 2012 10:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Most of the Rangers offensive talent is over 30 years old.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
And their pitching talent
Is under 27. Enough already
The Angels have better starting pitching than the Rangers.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Tread carefully with the logic
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
by Bface on Jan 21, 2012 10:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And the Angels were 1.5 games behind the Rangers
around September 10 or so…and then added the best hitter of this generation and our ace.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
They were tied in March.
Sound the alarms.
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
by Bface on Jan 21, 2012 11:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Past generation.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Scheduling fluke.
He had a difficult August and they had an easy one.
If you mix the difficult and crap teams evenly in those two months… we’re probably up by 7 or 8 at that point.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
There's a reason they play a full season
Over the course of 162, you know, a full major league season, the Rangers were 10 games better than the Angels. Use any samples you want, but the facts are facts. What you’re saying is idiotic.
What is it specifically that you find "idiotic"?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Using the beginning of September as a stopping point.
If the Rangers were up 10 games as of Sep. 1 and won the division by 2, you’d say they were on the brink of collapsing. Either way with you, it’s lose-lose.
I prefer to sit back and enjoy who I think is not only the most exciting team, but all-around organization in baseball. And, much like the rest of the people here (minus yourself) am ecstatic over the best international import that has ever come over to the MLB.
Could he not be as advertised? Sure. But I’ll place my hopes on the best scouting department in baseball on that one.
Also, we’re winning the division.
by Plum on Jan 21, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Yu is going to have to go quite a ways
to be better than Ichiro.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
9-11 must have been very traumatic for them
because they finsished 10 back
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
How old are:
Albert Pujols, C.J. Wilson, Josh Hamilton?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah fuck pitching, I agree
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
by Bface on Jan 21, 2012 10:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
CJ will help them
But Pujols won’t carry that offense.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Not to 98 wins he wont.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Mix in a salad.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Trolls gonna troll.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
and it has gone on too long in this particular case
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Well a normal Saturday a.m. thread witout JW conjures sabout 50 posts at most...
today is at 200.
by lost in space on Jan 21, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
And if you'll notice, it's several douches from the sidelines trying to
start fights.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Why should Wells be better?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Because you always regress to the mean...
Up or down. And while you give a small adjustment for aging… he was impossibly bad last year. Unless he is fucking dead… it would be hard for him not to do better.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He's put up terrible years before
2007: 85 OPS+ / 82 wRC+
2009: 87 OPS+ / 86 wRC+
2011: 83 OPS+ / 77 wRC+
Outside of the remote possibility that he simply can’t plan in odd numbered years, he’s got a pretty good chance at being really terrible.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I'm not saying he'll be an all star.
But he SHOULD be better than 77 wRC+.
Always regress to the mean.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He could be better, like if we were talking about an 80 wRC+
Are you suggesting he should be much better that that? Because regressing to the mean doesn’t mean a terrible player will be a lot less terrible.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I would expect more like 87-90 wRC+
But better is better. It’s not he could be better… he COULD be anything.
He SHOULD be better.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Why would you expect that though?
That’s a huge improvement over what he did last season.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Regression is regression.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
A player doesn't just regress to a random point though
Why would you set the point he should regress to at that level?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Well...
His career wRC+ is 105. His wRC+ over the past 3 years (including last year) is 97.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If you just look at his road numbers over the past 3 years.
His wRC+ is 98… so it’s not just Rogers Centre inflating it.
77 is a giant drop just like Napoli’s 2011 was a giant spike.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Looking at his last 3 years
includes his 2010. Now maybe you’re saying that we can’t just not include that, but that looks like the outlier of the group to me. And that season, he had a huge home/road split hitting with a 163 wRC+ at home and an 87 wRC+ on the road. Add in another year to his age, and its just tough for me to see his regression point being as high as a 90 wRC+
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
His road numbers for the last three years is a wRC+ of 98.
That’s why I included that.
You’re cherry picking and letting bias cloud.
That’s why you regress to the mean.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
This isn't simply cherry picking or bias, its looking at more than just the overall production.
He’s had one season where he hasn’t been terribly below average in the past 3 years. He’s now 33 years old hitting in a pitcher friendly ballpark for half his games. The ballpark is adjusted for, but its not perfect as there can be other side-effects for a power hitter playing half his games in a park that suppresses power numbers. Furthermore, as we’ve seen some studies recently with the Prince Fielder saga, power is what goes first for a hitter and it doesn’t look like Wells is capable of adjusting as a hitter to make up for that.
These are reasons why I don’t place a lot of value in simply looking at an overall 3 year average of his playing time especially when one of those years is greatly different from the other 2. You can’t simply regress to the mean for a player on the wrong side of 30 and getting older. That’s how the Dodgers got stuck paying Andruw Jones 30 million dollars. Adam Dunn over the past 3 seasons has a 118 OPS+, should I expect him to be able to hit anything close to that next season?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Was my off the cuff projection the same as his average?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No, you adjusted it down a bit
but it would still be his 2nd best season in the past 4 seasons despite being 33 years old. And I see no reason to expect him to do much better than he did last season, while I do see the a large possibility of him matching last year or doing worse.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
ZiPS projects him at 95 OPS+
.720 OPS
ZiPS is far better at this than you or I.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
ZIPS is a good projection system
but its far from fullproof. And if you think that its better than you and me at projecting Wells, are you saying your expectation for Wells is a 95 OPS+ next season?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Yes.
I’m not saying it’s foolproof. Predicting the future is hard.
Anything could happen. But I’ll expect ZiPS to be right more often than almost any person when it comes to doing that projection thing.
And if ZiPS is projecting a 95 OPS+… you should probably take note.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I should take note...
but it doesn’t change what I expect out of Wells next season. I’ll shit a brick if Wells is near a 95 OPS+ next season.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Noted.
I’ll wager his OPS+ is closer to 95 than it is 77 next year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Then we'll revist this in about 9 months
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
He will regress
Last season’s numbers were heavily influenced by a ridiculously bad April.
wRC+ by month:
21
99
121
84
73
94
It was a terrible APril
but he only had one month where he wasn’t well below average (excluding his 9 game May)
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
He had three months
Of 99, 94 and 121…
None of those are “well below average”
Your argument is akin to Josey saying Beltre can’t hit on the road.
Wells isn’t very good… but he isn’t as bad as he was last year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
huh?
Wells had 36 PAs in May with a 99 wRC+ and a June that was no doubt good at 121. I don’t consider an 84 wRC+, 73 wRC+, and a 94 wRC+ as signs that a truly terrible April is skewing the numbers into making him look much worse than he is.
This is nothing at all like Josey saying Beltre can’t hit on the road when Beltre’s entire career showed he can. This is me saying that a 33 year old player who has been terrible for 2 of the past 3 seasons will be terrible for a 3rd season in 4 years. No small part of that is the fact that his one good season in that time frame was fueled by being able to hit well at Rogers Centre.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Ok..
I’m done talking to you about this.
You don’t understand it.
We’ll revisit at the end of the year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Aren't you the person ripping the shit out of Michael Young's post-season?
If you’re into parsing…and you obviously are if you think Beltre hit well on the road last year…Young had a .321 OPS in the ALDS, a .740 OPS in the ALCS and a .794 OPS in the World Series (along with the game-winning RBI in Game 2).
Young got killed by the Tampa series but hit fairly well (especially in big situations) after that.
Young was 14 for 55 (.250 ish) with 7 doubles and 2 HRs (slugged close to .500) after the ALDS yet you continue to say he sucked in the post-season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Blah blah blah.
I’ve never said Young is bad because he had a bad post season.
i would never use his post season to determine his value or how he’ll do going forward.
I’m also not the type of guy that says cliches like “The Show” and “On the Biggest Stage”.
You like who you like for your reasons and find stats that make you feel better about it.
Gdawg… you’re doing the same thing. You as a human are not as good at regressing outlier data as the ZiPS system is.
Bet against it if you want… you’ll be wrong more often than you’re right.
You (and me) certainly were when it came to predicting the Rangers slash lines against it last year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So you're still going to use Bigsteve Math to evaluate Young's post-season?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
He had a bad post season.
What would be silly is to say he can’t hit in the post season because of it.
The bad post season did happen… but I don’t think it means he can’t perform in the post season. I’ve never said that.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Young started 3 for 27 (remember all the high-fives given out by Pillsbury?) but then went 11 for his last 28.
Young’s numbers were horrific the first 7 games of post-season but then he heated up and went 11 for 28 the rest of the way (4 for 12 in Games 5,6,7 of World Series).
Within that 11 for 28 were huge hits in Games 4 & 5 and then he put the team on his back in Game 6.
He had a game-winning sac fly in Game 2 of the World Series (much to the chagrin of Joe Poz), got the rally started with a gapper in Game 5 and also had RBI hits in Games 6 & 7.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
So what you're telling me then
is that my opinion of Wells is nullified because a projection system says otherwise.
If you want to tell me why I’m wrong to think that Wells isn’t going to be a 90+ wRC+ player, go for it. I have my reasons why I believe that, but if you want to discuss why you think I’m wrong then feel free to.
But I’m not going to change my mind because you keep saying that Wells must regress to the mean and that ZIPS says he’ll be a 95 OPS+ guy. Regression to the mean doesn’t automatically mean that a player who is terrible will be a lot less terrible.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
It means...
That you need to regress outliers.
Especially when you have considerable data in a larger sample than the small one you think has higher value.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Again...
You don’t think this way. That’s fine.
Vegas has made a tremendous amount of money off of amateurs going with their gut.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You don't always need to regress outliers
In a perfect system, you can regress the outliers. But you’re making the assumption that Vernon Wells’ season last year needs to be regressed in a group of seasons that includes his 2010.
This is an assumption I don’t think you can make at his age in his current environment.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Yeah
but it is still terrible so your point is a valid one.
Hitting in front of Pujols will help too
He’s going to see more good pitches. And like match said, it will be pretty hard for him to do worse than last year.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 10:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hope he's hitting in front of Pujols
but I wouldn’t count on him hitting anywhere near the top of the order.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Because their offense, even with Pujols, is a turd sandwich
and their bullpen sucks too.
Run back to HH.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
So you must be convinced the Rangers win 105?
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
by Bface on Jan 21, 2012 10:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wells will hit .500, CJ goes 32-0 because of his California conditioning
Angels go 162-0 enroute to World Series title..Rangers are so disgraced they fold their franchise. Josh gets back on the crank and Yu commits traditional form of Japanese suicide.
I don’t see ANY way this doesn’t happen! I mean conditioning and herp derp!!
by mh420800 on Jan 21, 2012 10:52 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
What the fuck?
I live to play the devil's advocate.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Jan 21, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
I think he might be higher than that
He’s going to get a lot oc walks in that lineup.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 10:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think it sucks
I think it will be middle of the pack
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 21, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sure this has been mentioned numerous times and I've just missed it,
but what’s the difference in size of the balls in Japan?
the baseballs are a bit smaller in japan
and the seams are raised a bit as well
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I know they said he's been practicing with American baseballs for the past year or so...
I would like to get his take on the difference of movements between the two.
by lost in space on Jan 21, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
the ML mounds are higher as well
so any disadvantage from the baseball’s movement, he’d gain from the new angle. Of course, that is something he will have to adjust to.
I’m not really sure how much difference there is between the two baseball’s movement.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
The MLB mound is more tightly packed and slippery
in comparison to the typical Japanese mound. That’s something Yu’s got to adjust himself to as well.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 11:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Higher seams and a slightly larger ball
But, NPB also.changed to a ball closer to an MLB-style ball league wide for 2011.
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Jan 21, 2012 11:22 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes they did
the ball they used in 2011 is pretty much similar to the MLB ball. I heard the MLB ball still carries further in comparison to their new ball, though.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 11:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
no
i don’ think this is correct. The switched to a standardized ball this year, which simply meant that it was manufactured to a leageu-wide standard. Seems weird, and I can’t imagine that the variation from home part to home park (that is to say, I think each club supplied its own balls from a contracted manufacturer) was that much but whatever happened depressed offensive production in 2011.
T-ball
should chime in here, he found some interesting info on the balls and mound differences i think….
American baseballs
Yu’s also pitched with them in the WBC.
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
Wasn't that at Dodger Stadium or Joe Robbie early in the spring and against hitters who
hadn’t been in a big game in 5-6 months?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Tits Bob?
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 21, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
A List
Here are the pitchers that I would give 6 years and $110M guaranteed if I could get them.
Roy Halliday (old, but he’d probably be worth it)
Cliff Lee
Clayton Kershaw
Justin Verlander
Felix Hernandez
CC Sabathia
Jered Weaver
Tim Lincecum
Jon Lester
Zack Greinke
David Price
Cole Hamels
Madison Bumgardner
Mat Latos
Matt Moore
Stephen Strausberg
By Josey logic… they must all be in the top five for the next 6 years to be worth that.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Jan 21, 2012 11:12 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Oh shit... forgot an important one.
Yu Darvish. :)
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I was about to say...
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
What you'd invest $ 110 million in and what I'd invest $ 110 million are two very different things.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Show me your list.
You can have any pitchers you want… which ones would you give $110M.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I might.
It’s a fun exercise.
I’m curious of any adjustments by anyone, even non Josey folks. If you could just grab Felix or Kershaw or Timmy K right now for just money alone… $110 would be a steal. It’s a fun game.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I agree with every guy on your list
Outside of Bumgardner – if Yu pitches equal to even one of those guys for 6 years, it’s a great deal.
IF YU DOESN'T PITCH LIKE HALLADAY HIS CONTRACT WILL BE A HUGE OVERPAY
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 11:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If doesn't pitch like Cy Young
It will be a huge overpay
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm skeptical on Bumgardner and Latos
but that list, otherwise is pretty close.
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"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
For them... it's their age and peripherals.
I’d take the chance if I could have them for money alone.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If healthy maybe
But that’s a huge if for him.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 11:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Shoulder issues are scary.
He would be on list number two… guys that I’d think about… but aren’t definite “yes”.
Matt Garza
Josh Johnson
Ubaldo Jimenz
Dan Haren
Brandon Morrow
James Shields
Gio Gonzalez
Jaime Garcia
Max Scherzer
Tommy Hanson
Those guys I think about it… but either age, injury or inconsistency scares me.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
26 years old.
I’d say no… but I’d think about it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Ubaldo may be 40 for all we know.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Accidentally absent.
He should definitely be on list number 2. I don’t think I’d put him on list 1.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I hate him.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Overrated
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd take Cain
But I can see why some may not be sold on him, so I won’t argue.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 11:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't give him over $100m
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was considering Romero on my list
I’d probably wouldn’t go over $80-$90m for him
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I might add
Dan Haren
Josh Johnson (if you think he’ll be healthy)
Adam Wainwright (same as Johnson)
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And maybe Pineda
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
No to Kennedy
Maybe to Carpenter. He’s pretty old, right?
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
No to Carp
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Carp's too old.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
/anyone who call him or her self a rangers fan
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
But... But... What about Feliz???????
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 21, 2012 11:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
$110M?
That insults Feliz.
Atleast $150m
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You'd give Madison Bumgardner $ 110 million but wouldn't give CJ $ 77 million?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Bumgardner is 23 years old.
CJ is 31 next year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Also... I would have given C.J. $80M
That was my cutoff.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yet you're excited about giving $ 110 million to a pitcher
who has never recorded an out in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
That's right.
And he’s 25 years old… big, bad and going to do quite well.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No.
Because we’re not giving HIM that much.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
It has the same effect on the payroll
He may only be getting 60 million, but the Rangers are paying 110
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
I thought that was clear...the Rangers have invested $ 110 million to acquire and pay Yu.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Carrot sticks
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
My bad... 22 years old next year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I might say this is less of a reason to like him
You wouldn’t be buying out as much of his prime.
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
At 6y/110m
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And let's see your list.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It is a lot easier to troll than think
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
by TargetField on Jan 21, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Make your own list
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
MadBum has way more potential
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So he is worth 33 million more for 1 more year?
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Probably.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think CJ continues to outperform him the next 2 years
Bumgarner might be equal in year 3 and the last 2 he will outperform CJ. That would mean they would be about equivalent after 5 years and the last years is 33 million.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
You are underestimating...
The difference between a pitchers age 31-36 years versus 22-27 years.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
CJ also doesn't have very many comparable pitchers to be compared to
Few expected him to make the jump he did last year. No one knows how well he will age. If Bumgarner turns into Felix then yes, he will be worth it, but young pitchers are often very volatile in their development.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Of course this is stupid because we are discussing MLB
Where young players are under cost controlled team control for at least their first 6 years and they are not given outrageous contracts to live up to.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
It's not stupid...
It highlights why you can’t compare Darvish to free agent contracts. It’s rare to have an opportunity to just spend money and get a player so young and talented.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Someone like Yu would typically have 6 years to adjust in the ML before getting that contract
I can understand why JW would be wary of it. You see the Lesters and Moores getting 30 million guaranteed for the 6 years. Yu gets 110.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
This doesn't make sense...
Would you give Clayton Kershaw $110M right now? What do you think he’d get as a free agent?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Kershaw, yes
Are you saying Yu is worth as much as Kershaw right now?
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Nope.
Just that you don’t need 6 years of ML experience to know a guy is worth $110M or not.
I’d pay a lot more than $110M for Kershaw.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The point is you have up to 6 years to figure it out
You have 0 years with Yu.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
The Rangers have been scouting Darvish for years.
I doubt the Rangers pay people based on pure statistics.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't doubt that
But scouting alone are not a guarantee a player will pan out in a new league. This is why players performing well in Low A are not given major league contracts
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
That has nothing to do with why players in Low A aren't given ML contracts.
The mechanics of the system allow teams the leverage to not NEED to do that.
Contracts and actual compensation is a measure of leverage and expected future performance.
Minor league players have zero leverage.
It’s why Latin kids get more bonus money than most first round draft choices.
Leverage.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
NOT ANYMORE.
/Bud Selig
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Exactly
Yu is basically a really big budget foreign signing.
We gave Leonys 15 million, we gave Yu 110 million
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
We didn't give Yu 110.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
We paid 110 million for his services
Minor difference.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
NPB is far better the A-ball
by RangerMad on Jan 21, 2012 1:30 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I'm not comparing the 2
I’m just saying that giving a prospect, even the best of them, a giant contract based on scouting and expectations is much riskier than giving a player who already has results in the majors a contract.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
That's like saying Mike Leake wasn't a prospect
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
no
it just shows your ignorance about the NPB
No
NPB is still at a level lower than MLB. He is expected to come and contribute directly, but he still has not produced at the major league level as of yet.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think Yu should be looked at as a prospect.
He dominated NPB at age 21 and continued for four more years. Nomo, Ichiro, Matzusaka and others weren’t considered prospects.
by RangerMad on Jan 21, 2012 1:48 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Prospect may not be the right word
But you wouldn’t call them typical free agents either. They are unknown quantities.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
I'll just drop this here
pros·pect (prspkt)
n.
3. b. A candidate deemed likely to succeed.
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Jan 21, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
how would you feel about a prospect
if they totally domonated AA and -AAA hitters for five straight years?
by RangerMad on Jan 21, 2012 2:00 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Very good
But would I expect instant success in the majors? I do think Yu will be successful and great for the Rangers, but I can see the validity in the argument that spending 110 million on a pitcher who hasn’t thrown a single ball in the MLB is a large risk that could bite them in the ass.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
He is an asswhip today, for sure
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Jan 21, 2012 2:23 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Want to bet on who is better over the next 6 years in aggregate?
And what measure would you like to use?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It would have to be 5
Because that is CJ’s contract length. It is very difficult to compare the 2 because CJ plays in the tougher league.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
If only there were statistics that regressed the differences in ballparks and leagues...
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Sabermetrics still are not perfect
Although they do a better job than straight K/9, ERA, etc, they still use data from the rest of the league that has no real bearing on a pitcher’s performance.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Nothing is perfect.
Nothing…
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I am nothing, therefore...
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 12:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Bumgarner had an FIP of 2.67
a really great year. He had a fluke perfomance of .1 IP and 8 runs against minnesota. Still had an ERA of 3.21. I’d say he outperfroms CJ of the life of Ceej’s contract
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
And FIP is not a be all end all statistic
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
No statistic is.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
But isn't saying something isn't perfect a valid criticism that means that thing is not valid?
Because many things are perfect in this world.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
I didn't say it wasn't valid
I just said that I wouldn’t use it as the measure to compare the 2.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Bumgardner pitches in the Grand Canyon and gets
a pitcher to face while CJ gets a DH to face instead.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Kenny Rogers is a very good comp to CJ.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Rogers converted at age 28
CJ has gotten off to a better start as a starter than Rogers had. Although I doubt CJ pitches to 43, I think he will have the higher peak.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
CJ converted at 29.
They were both very similar pitchers and they made the conversion to starter rather easily.
I could see CJ easily pitching till he’s 40.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
He very well may
I think CJ will have the better results though. Kenny was good and all, but he played in a different era when you could have a 4 ERA and be a 5 WAR pitcher. I think CJ will have the better looking peripherals.
by dumdum000333 on Jan 21, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think he does as a SP
by RangerMad on Jan 21, 2012 2:00 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I wouldn't pay Kenny Rogers 15 million a year for his age 31-35 seasons.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
What about Kevin Millwood getting $ 15 million for his 2008 performance?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I wouldn't want to pay Millwood 15 million for 2008 either
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
CJ and Kenny did have similar paths.
Kenny was one of the first to prove that someone can actually have some level of success in RBIA. He also had a checkered career, marked by a couple of decent seasons surrounded by a plethora of suck. This is how I see CJ over the next ten years.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Kenny didn't handle playing with the Yankees well at all.
He’s not the first player to have that happen to him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
He's 8 years younger and has more talent
I would say yes
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 21, 2012 11:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't
for Strasburg yet, he has to actually prove he can handle 170 innings without trouble. As talented as he is, he is a fragile flower right now until proven otherwise. Everyone else on that list has done that somewhere….except for Stras
Not at all surprised to see that Jailed Robert lied to us!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
How did he lie?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think he was bullshitting to begin with.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I just don't see what guarantees were made.
I mean… yes… he is completely full of shit and you could do better with a magic eightball.
But until Prince signs somewhere he hasn’t actually lied. I don’t recall a timetable.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
ZiPS projections for Rays starting rotation.
Player T Age ERA W L G GS IP H ER HR BB K ERA+ David Price L 26 3.47 15 9 32 32 200.0 175 77 20 68 184 117 Jeremy Hellickson R 25 3.60 11 8 27 26 155.0 139 62 16 58 115 112 Matt Moore L 23 3.72 10 7 29 27 145.0 126 60 14 69 150 109 James Shields R 30 3.76 15 11 31 31 215.3 207 90 26 55 184 108 Jeff Niemann R 29 4.12 10 9 27 27 157.3 154 72 19 49 116 98
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Phew
Lots of bookmarking today, folks. Stay tuned.
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"I'm trying to figure out how the Angels don't win 98 games in 2012."
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Don't forget "3 for 27!!!"
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Ask Pillsbury
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Well, in the context of this discussion, absolutely nothing.
But, then, that shouldn’t surprise anyone.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
For a so called fan of the Texas Rangers...It was disgraceful.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Everything you do or say on this board is disgraceful.
You have no room to talk shit about anyone.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
and the people
who engage with him….?
Fucking morons
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Jan 21, 2012 3:14 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Rodney's preferred tactic is passive-aggressive hit n runs.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
lol
Hi pot, you’re black.
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
man
he doesn’t really seem worth all the effort…
The truth is its own reward.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
i know im in the minority
but i think the Angels are gona have a pretty good offense and therefore be very strong
I think they are a 90+ win team.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
yeah..they have several young guys that are trending up
the major argument against them is Abreu and Wells..If Morales comes back paired with Pujols, Kendrick, Hunter, and that catcher upgrade..and I like Trout and Bourjos
I would bet money
Morales never plays another game in an Angels uniform.
Hunter is not good, and Kendrick isn’t as good as hew as last year.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Trout looming
Makes them scary – no doubt
There’s just so much for him to make up for on that roster
I really think they would have been better off flipping Chatwood or Bourjos or a package for Wright and letting Trumbo stay at 1B. That would have given them room to play Trout full time, addressed a huge issue at 3B and kept the good production they’re getting from 1B.
Pujols is awesome, but from a roster construction standpoint, I think they missed the target.
I know arguing with him is fun, but just as a reminder
His name is Josey Wales… aka “The Outlaw”
He’s a bit whose name should remind you that he just takes opinions contrary to the LSB populace. He hates on every F.O. move because the rest of us are excited about it. Just sayin’ don’t get mad
Josey Wales...
The contrarian’s contrarian.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Thanks
didn’t see it there last night
I'm really glad I got to watch this.
Listening on the radio is entirely different than getting to see some of his mannerisms.
by lost in space on Jan 21, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
People blink when they are tired.
He had been on an 11 hour flight and it was 10:00 in the morning by his internal clock.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Pffh, I wil never trust him
People are like cars, if their blinker goes on too fast, there is something wrong with him
I figured it had to do with being nervous.
Almost looked like a twitch.
by lost in space on Jan 21, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure if serious.
Everyone has little twitches, some more noticeable than others.
by lost in space on Jan 21, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
I really liked JD's intro
Par for the course for TX fans, but he was basically introducing the team to Japanese fans watching live
Yu ain't no Harry
Yu Darvish’s New Year’s Resolutions are to read two books per month, and watch movies that he doesn’t typically like. His intent is to "refine his sensitivity" ("感性を磨けるかなって理由です(^^)").
And here I was about to laud you for your Japanese reading abilities.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
heh
can you read some of those characters?
Well, there are only five kanji, right?
I immediately recognized two of them in isolation, but that doesn’t do me a whole lot of good.
I can read all the kana, though!
Which also doesn’t do me a whole lot of good.
And the kaomoji!
Which, yeah.
Sigh. I used to be better, I really did.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Actually, looking again, I could understand 理由 as "reason."
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
you and Garoon
are two of the guys who lived in Japan for a bit right?
Heh. This is funny.
So… who’s going to let Goyo know? Or should I just break it to him?
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
If you want to come out that you and Garoon were roommates and lovers in Japan...
That’s up to you.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So what happend to your brother Darth?
What I understand is that you, your brother, and Garoon met outside a Pachinko parlor down by the Arakawa. Garoon was being chased by the local Yakuza after trying to correct their grammar, and you and Darth knocked them unconscious with a golf club and a bus stop sign (including Garoon because he seemed so phony). With a thousand hawk-haired and tattooed men in pursuit, you three disguised yourselves as schoolgirls and fled the country, becoming best friends and rivals every since.
Did I miss something?
I do not think so
As long as we are keeping the whole “Ladyboy” thing a secret.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Jan 21, 2012 3:18 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Wha?
Can of worms (for you, or for me?)?
Neither.
Let’s just say that when Snark looks in the mirror, Garoon looks back.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
heh...weird.
cue twlight zone them song, vertiginous room spin.
I was away from the site for some months and forgot your handle. And since you haven’t posted over at BBTIA in a while – I thought you might be on a post-doc or something – I convinced myself you weren’t you.
Heh.
Yeah. I finished the post-doc this summer, moved to Chicago this fall.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Jeeeeez...Zambia Talk can't be too far away now.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
It's funny: Wilson's public profile gives me the impression he'd like to have Yu's persona.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
exactly
CJ is a self-centered Buddhist
I thought Wilson considered himself a Taoist,
but that’s never made a lot of sense to me, anyhow.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
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