Joe Paterno has died
He was 85.
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RIP Joe.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
There's a Dark Knight quote that is sadly relevant here.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
No, it's not.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 22, 2012 10:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
ah.. that is. Only quote that came to mind was the darkest before the dawn one for me
so I was like hm.
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Nice touching off mic tribute
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
interesting
I remember some people here saying how Joe won’t last a year without his job. Didn’t even go that long.
This might make me sound like a dick, but I don’t exactly feel sad about this one. All those little kids molested because of his inaction.
And now he dies without fully telling his side of the story.
Not to stir up this whole debate again but
All those little kids were molested because of Jerry Sandusky’s Dick.
by PhilKidIsHero on Jan 22, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Be prepared to stand up to your statement.
The guy just died and people are already critiquing every word you wrote. Good stuff.
by lost in space on Jan 22, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry but
McQueary was the one who should have reported what he saw to the police, since he was the one who saw Sandusky raping the boy.
Well, technically...
The AD and the School President are captains as well and share in the culpability for their non-actions.
As indefensible as his actions were, his passing is still sad.
Writer for Defending Big D
by Brandon Bibb on Jan 22, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
McQueary was the actual witness
it was his responsibility to report what he saw to the police, not Paterno.
Yup, Paterno had no obligation to do anything.
He’s a hero.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 22, 2012 10:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's not what he said.
Calm down.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
There's a lot of this that goes around.
It’s like a passive-aggressive thing, where they get to defend his inaction, while also being able to claim total deniability for having defended his inaction.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Paterno may not have had a legal obligation to report it
but he had a moral responsibility
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
OH.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Paterno allowed Sandusky to attend a Penn St. practice as recently as 2007
with a 13 year-old child.
There is no defense for his continued inaction.
He took action.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 22, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
This is like using a retarded analogy to try and make a point
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 22, 2012 2:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
This is like probably right on.
I think the point was made, though.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 22, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
I know he will be missed by his family, friends and many in the college football world.
He is a college coaching legend even with the Sandusky situation. But the man lived 85 years while getting to do the job he enjoyed most. He was able to live an active, full life until pretty much to the end. Which is a luxury many do not get to enjoy as they are either robbed of their youth, prime, early on in their retirement years or wind up in a nursing home with their minds slipping away and few visitors. In the end, he was never going to outlive the disgrace caused by the recent events. From a pain standpoint, at his age he was probably better off dying quickly then battling the cancer and the treatments over an extended period of time.
ESPN, you read my mind
I’ve been wanting to know what Matt Millen’s opinion on this is all morning.
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“I didn’t want to interfere with their weekend.” -Joe Paterno
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 22, 2012 10:21 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Dont think ive ever seen a fall from grace
Quite like this.
Unquestionably had a positive influence on many young lives. His final chapter will be unfortunately how many remember him. Not sure how I feel about this.
I’m reminded of the Grantland Rice quote
“When the one great scorer comes to mark against your name….”.
by Sam Elliott's 'stache on Jan 22, 2012 10:26 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Relax
Great football coach. Pathetic human being.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 22, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
I think calling him a "pathetic human being" is a bit harsh
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 22, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Standards
You have yours, and I have mine. If it was the milkman, and not the “head coach of Penn state”, would you have any problem with calling him a scumbag?
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 22, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
There are too many things built into that kind of valuation to make a blanket statement like that.
JoePa’s life is a collection of decisions and events. He did quite a few outstanding things that are being lost because of the Sandusky scandal, which was unspeakably awful.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Ah ok.
So he “earned” his freedom from humanity. Got it.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 22, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Ah ok.
You’re going to misrepresent any argument with which you disagree because you are a dipshit. Got it.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Misrepresent?
Read my comments that you are responding to, and you’d see that I covered your “point” already.
In the context of civilized behavior and morality, he is trash. If he was the milkman, you wouldn’t have shit to say about it.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 22, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
"If he was the milkman, you wouldn’t have shit to say about it."
Which way do you suppose this cuts?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
No, you didn't.
It’s not nearly as easy as saying “withdraw actual occupation, insert hypothetical occupation, make judgment.”
Paterno’s record is based on the entirety of his life, not just this sequence of events and how he handled himself. Calling him a “pathetic human being” is based off entirely one portion of his life. It affects how he should be viewed, but it shouldn’t overshadow everything else he’s ever done simply because it happened later and is fresher on your mind.
To address the hypo, though, if he was the milkman, he wouldn’t have had the same opportunities to do all of the great things he did. Those things define him just as much, arguably more considering the entire scope of his life, than this horrible scandal.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Whatever.
You have your standards and I have mine.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 22, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Well that's not a total copout or anything.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Really?
You honestly need me to explain further?
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 22, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, but I don't really want you to, to be honest.
Because I’m fairly certain you’ll focus entirely on the Sandusky scandal to the exclusion of all else in the man’s life.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Perspective
Life is never so complicated for me that there is any ambiguity with a guy like this.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 22, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
So the fact that he had a positive influence on many of his players means absolutely nothing?
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
No.
Firstly, it was his job. Secondly, no, you don’t earn your way out of the obligation he had to humanity.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 22, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
That's the big problem here
Nobody is saying he did.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
And your standards are ridiculous.
He heard about something inappropriate. He told his bosses. It was reported to the police. I guess he could have run to the nearest phone booth, changed into a blue spandex suit with a red cape and flew to Sanduskys house to rip the guy’s throat out. But then people like you would probably shit on him after that for not sodomizing the corpse afterward.
by blakethegr8 on Jan 22, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
This gets too close to the "he didn't do anything wrong" argument. That's too far the other way.
There are plenty of things he could/should have done to make sure the abuse stopped. He failed in his moral obligation to protect that child and others from a predator.
My point is that that failure, which he recognized and asked forgiveness for, shouldn’t overshadow everything else in his entire life. Whether they were tied to his job or not, and I’m not entirely sure why that matters at all, JoePa did many great things that also have to be taken into consideration.
If, after going through that kind of holistic evaluation, you still think that JoePa’s life is one defined by the Sandusky scandal, I suppose I can’t really gainsay that valuation. If you don’t even try, though, you’re just being intentionally myopic.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I honestly think he did enough to at least get past the "scumbag" standard
He could have done more. That doesn’t necessarily make what he did abhorrent.
People act like he covered up the shower incident. It was reported. The District Attorney decided that there wouldn’t be a criminal case filed. I think people are holding Paterno to an unrealistic standard. As far as letting Sandusky stick around campus after that, I think that’s on the administration more than the football coach.
by blakethegr8 on Jan 22, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Kinda right
A DA didn’t file charges in about 2000 after a mother of a victim complained to university police about Sandusky showering with her son.
Many people say Paterno should have done more. But does that mean assaults would have ended? A parent notified police about her son’s experience, Sandusky admitted to it and said he wouldn’t do it again. So the fact Paterno didn’t notify the police makes him a scumbag? How about the DA, the janitor, etc. etc. There are probably 20 people in this situation that “should have done more.”
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 22, 2012 2:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
that's fair
I guess I don’t have a very good sense of all the positive things he did during his life, as I wrote in another post.
Will do some light research into this. When I do my own final, personal math here, for Joe to come out as a decent person he will have needed to do some truly special thing to offset his failures with the abused children.
Ugh.
I find this thread to be grotesque. I need to stick to baseball. Cya guys.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 22, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Speaking of things that are grotesque
Your baseball opinions aren’t much better.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
This place needs some of that B'more synergy
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
You people devolve quick.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 22, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
How so?
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
Reference to a previous subthread
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
Got it. I missed the last 300 comments in that thread.
As you/we devolving, I don’t see it. Just counter-punching, and rather gently given the circumstances.
I don't think he is "trash"
And fwiw, you weren’t around at the time here, I don’t think, but when this was going on, I said that he deserved to be fired.
He was informed of something that was happened that was reprehensible, and he didn’t do enough about it.
I don’t think that inherently makes him “trash,” though.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 22, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
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"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
The fact that, by all accounts, he was an overwhelmingly positive influence on the lives of thousands of young men in his coaching career.
There are people that love him for the wrong reasons, because they wrongly deify him or think that they have to because of his connection with their university, as well as for the right ones.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Therefore,
…he did his job as coach of Penn State football, and failed at his job of fucking human being.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 22, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
False dichotomy.
This is not nearly as simple as you want it to be.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Actually it is.
It’s as simple as I decided it will be for me.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 22, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Most people seem to see the majority of issues this way.
That doesn’t make it a good thing.
by Giant Space Ants on Jan 22, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Complex moral reasoning is just one of the many skill sets that this guy lacks, Aqua.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
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Not being confrontational, trying to see if I can move past my strong instincts to think of the man as a coward/failure.
I think my problem is that I don’t really have a sense for all the great things he’s said to have done. Can you more specifically describe this overwhelmingly positive influence? Roughly how many thousands of lives did he actually influence? In what ways and to what extent?
I’m going to think more about this. Trying to weigh these positives vs. the reprehensible inaction with the kids.
Not harsh enough.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 22, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
I don't even like Paterno,
but his character is much more complex than this.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Joe Pa should be a sober reminder to all of us of the consequences of moral cowardice.
And that out of the crooked timber of humanity no straight thing was ever made.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
by JDT217 on Jan 22, 2012 10:47 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
I'm going to quote this
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
by jonas m. on Jan 22, 2012 11:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Make sure you attribute it correctly to Kant.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
by Aqua on Jan 22, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
*not saying JDT did anything wrong here, it's a great quote and well-used.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Thanks.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Yes
And I hope no one was left with the impression that I was trying to plagiarize Kant. It’s a quite famous reference.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
We know you were trying to take credit
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
Ah i should have known.
Since I did a paper on the categorically imperative last summer
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
by jonas m. on Jan 22, 2012 11:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ah i should have known.
Since I did a paper on the categorical imperative last summer
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
by jonas m. on Jan 22, 2012 11:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I also use this quote for a reminder to my penis.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
by AceJC on Jan 22, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
5/10
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Not a fan of your timing.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 22, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
And I'm not really a fan of your opinions right now, but you haven't seen me say anything.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
That's your choice.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 22, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Is your penis the crooked timber?
And are you questioning your own sexuality?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Ugh...Blue & White's editor was a homeristic beating to death, "Joe did nothing wrong!"
And the callers, jeebus. Where the hell is my Soul Patch, anyways???
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Brett Hull tweeted that Penn State should be ashamed of themselves.
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
by jonas m. on Jan 22, 2012 11:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions
they should be
You gotta get up mighty muthafuckin' early in the mornin' to fuck with me - Wash
by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 22, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
RIP JoePa
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Hot Sports Opinion.
Joe Paterno was a better man than SheaWasBettor21.
Boom. Facts.
by PhilKidIsHero on Jan 22, 2012 12:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Paterno was a mediocre coach at best
tenure does not equal greatness.
You gotta get up mighty muthafuckin' early in the mornin' to fuck with me - Wash
by AndrusImpersonator on Jan 22, 2012 12:41 PM CST reply actions
Him and Sandusky would've been looked at different as coaches
If Miami and Vinny T hadn’t decided to STBF in the National Championship game
Dallas Stars Examiner
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Haywire is badass
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
by jonas m. on Jan 22, 2012 1:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions
whoa, wrong thread
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
by jonas m. on Jan 22, 2012 1:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wow sad for his family and supporters, imo he died more of a broken heart then this cancer imo..
That happened to my grand mother after my father passed away.
I wonder
if he did that interview this past week because he knew his days were numbered (as in ‘very few’). It would be as close to ‘his story’ as we’d ever get.
As noted above, he did die of a broken heart; his football was taken away from him, and he knows he let people down. We all do – sometimes with greater consequences than others.
Fuck him.
The world is a little lighter and we all have slightly more air to breathe.
"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan
Well shit.
I wernt neer no good at si ents.
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