Baseball America Rangers Top 10 Prospect List
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 23, 2012 10:04 AM CST
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PrintBaseball America has their Rangers top 10 prospect list out today, and the bottom of the list is rather unexpected.
The top 10:
| 1. | Yu Darvish, rhp |
| 2. | Jurickson Profar, ss |
| 3. | Martin Perez, lhp |
| 4. | Mike Olt, 3b |
| 5. | Leonys Martin, of |
| 6. | Neil Ramirez, rhp |
| 7. | Cody Buckel, rhp |
| 8. | Jorge Alfaro, c |
| 9. | Christian Villanueva, 3b |
| 10. | Rougned Odor, 2b |
Buckel, Villanueva and Odor cracking the top 10 is something of a curveball, at least to me, although as we've discussed before, there are about 20 guys after the top five (or six, if you include Darvish) which you could mix in in any particular order, and have a legitimate argument for them.
You can see the list, the top tools in the system, the projected 2015 lineup, the top prospects and draft picks of the decade, and the top signing bonuses given out by the Rangers by clicking the link above.
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What in the world?
How do you have Holland as your #5 starter in 2015?
I wouldn't be particularly surprised at all by Darvish, Feliz, and Perez being better by then.
Ogando makes me scratch my head a little.
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any way to see what BA said in 2008 about the roster for 2012?
by Baseball North on Jan 23, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I believe that Snark made a chart.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2012/1/23/2727377/baseball-america-rangers-top-10-prospect-list#89633683
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Mike Olt with the power!
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The new DCS....
Profar
Olt
Odor
Perez
POOP
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by SoWasRed on Jan 23, 2012 10:22 AM CST via mobile reply actions
DCS = DVD
Stupid auto correct.
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by SoWasRed on Jan 23, 2012 10:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I feel Yu
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 23, 2012 10:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's always weird seeing Kinsler projected
as a future LF, or in this case, a DH. The guy’s fantastic at 2B. Even with Profar coming up, this seems like a major misuse unless his defensive abilities plummet in the next several years.
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2B isn't a position that you feel great about in terms of performance past peak years.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I remember reading about that, and noticing how it manifested exactly that way. That trend never truly made sense to me, though. Unless there’s something mystical about 2Bmen?
Maybe it’s the fact that 2nd basemen aren’t as athletic as shortstops, but are expected to play a similar position with similar offensive output. As they age, they get hit harder than most and the anemic bats can’t keep them viable anymore?
Hmmm….
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by Conjunction on Jan 23, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know if there's a known rationale for it,
but I assumed it was that they were smaller guys who generally endure more contact that SS or 3B, so injuries pile up quicker.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
It is more the torque I believe
They get more stress on their knees and hips turning the double play than SS do.
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
by TargetField on Jan 23, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
The Rangers led the league in double plays turned in 2011
with 1 a game.
Does that once-a-game effort (MAYBE 1.5, considering attempted DPs in which the runner beats throw to 1st) really have that large an effect?
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by Conjunction on Jan 23, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
2B in general aside
Kinsler’s all out style makes me think he can’t remain a plus defender there forever.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
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Sorry,
somewhat busy, so gmail gets pushed down the list of things to get through.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I feel like it's a waste to put Yu #1
Even if he is a technically a prospect.
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 23, 2012 10:35 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Agreed,
though I think they do it because it helps make the retrospectives look better.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
I'm also a fan of avoiding gray area.
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He is not a prospect, should not be on the list
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Jan 23, 2012 10:37 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Respect
I think it’s a subtle way for major prospect sites to say, “nobody is on par with our league. No experience in the show, and you’re nothing but a prospect to us”. Something like that.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I promise - no one at BA says "The Show"
unless it’s to make fun of people who say “The Show.”
by Colonel Travis on Jan 23, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
As a long time subscriber....
…..I can assure you they do. Not that BA is some particularly important authority.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I used to work there
Dickweed.
by Colonel Travis on Jan 23, 2012 11:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So you ought to know something about it...
…asshole. Of course, you completely sidestepped the point, but that’s clearly not relevant.
Yes, I used some rhetorical language. Is it worth discussing to you?
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
BA is horrible.
I subscribed for years. Some useful scouting nuggets. They’re prospect rankings are routinely amongst the worst out there. I couldn’t are less what they think about anything.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Ogando
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
World Series 2010
My affair with Ogando started in 2010. First time I saw him my mind was blown. I thought I’d know if an arm like this was out there. After I heard the story of what he went through to get here, he was “my guy”.
I had him pegged to win the job over Feliz last offseason too, and making me feel a little smart is endearing.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
YOU'RE RUINING THE NARRATIVE
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Valid point.
I had him pegged to get the job.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
*their
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that's not the point.
On this very discreet topic, you were wrong and can’t admit it. You suck.
Different note: what prospect rankings are better. Law? Mayo? BP? Fangraphs? Project Prospect?
Sickels
He comes closest to the way I view specs, but I disagree with him plenty as well. He’s evolving though, and I like the direction he’s taking.
Next 2 would be Fangraphs and PP for me.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Fangraphs...
I honestly don’t know a whole lot about PP but does anybody else like it. Their analysis doesn’t seem altogether great
They're young.
Give them time. 1 thing I appreciate is they actually go to non-major league regular season games to produce their own scouting reports with video.
Thing I like the most is they are willing to stray far from consensus if they feel strongly about something. Lots of potential there.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Fangraphs
Their overemphasis on stats is useful sometimes. They occasionally find some useful nuggets I don’t see anywhere else.
I can find everything on BA for free on the web, without the mythologizing.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
PP - A couple of years ago I used it as a reference
They were pretty good in picking up on players of interest outside of other lists. Unfortunately they value floor way too high for my tastes and many of their actual rankings just seem to stray away from consensus just to stray away from consensus. As of now I occasionally look at them… but definitely not as a main source of info.
"I wish I could tell you that TRangers fought the good fight, and the 2 strangers let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but Beaumont is no fairy-tale world." - bking
Lots of truth.
But that’s why I like them. Most of my “scouting” is done via Sickels, google and Fangraphs (stats, not lists). PP is nice for a unique view.
I look at Sickels the most. Admittedly, BA’s weekly hot sheet is a gold mine for uncovering potential breakouts.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
BA's Weekly Hot Sheet is Free.
Btw. No subscription needed.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
I thought Sickels just looked at stats?
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
You guys are good.
You breakdown PP and Sickels quite well. You guys know your prospect blogs, I’ll give you that.
Yes, Sickels weights performance more than most, and I like that.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Sickels watches as many guys as he can, he says,
but he’s limited because of his son’s circumstances.
(This is pretty much a paraphrase of his response to Jason Parks.)
It’s unclear how he treats stats, as far as I can see, and also unclear how he treats seeing guys in person. The whole process is murky.
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More specifically:
If they come through the Texas League or PCL or the Big 12 I usually see them. Video or tv on as many of the others as possible, and I know people who get to see the guys I don’t.
So Sickels is not wholly reliant on stats — and I think he’d probably bristle some at that idea, but maybe not.
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Not true.
“I think he’d probably bristle some at that idea”
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Did not know that
Thank you
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
No prob.
I’m not saying Sickels doesn’t lean very heavily on stats, by the way — but he’s taken pains, in the past, to point out that he sees as many of these guys in person as possible. This is perhaps in reaction to criticism directed at him for not seeing enough prospects in person, and being too reliant on stats…
Certainly, when it comes to Rangers prospects, I’d go with Cole and Parks first and foremost.
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(And, for that matter,
BPro is great reading, as well, especially Parks’ and Goldstein’s stuff. You might not always agree, but you will very likely be entertained.)
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I thought he did a lot of asking around, as well.
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I think that's probably what he means by
<blockquote I know people who get to see the guys I don’t.
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Crap. Blockquote fail, sorry.
I know people who get to see the guys I don’t.
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Do you work in baseball?
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I also appreciate Sickel's perspective
since he’s been around a long time and is more willing than many to constantly reexamine what he’s doing.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Nestor Molina
He ranks Molina higher than anyone out there on the strength of his stats. (most have him lower because of his lack of velocity.)
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Their new guys seems decent,
but, yeah, Hulet is…well, let’s say not good.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Mike Newman is awesome
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
This is true.
I should re-phrase. I like some of the stuff they uncover. It’s a different slant sometimes, and given I know all the basics about prospects before Fangraphs ever mentions a player, I appreciate a different look.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Fangraphs?
That small shred of credibility you had left? Yeah, that’s gone.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Darn!
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Ogodno
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Bullpen Banter is great
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
Yes
I very much like their quasi-round table discussion format.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
definitely
Reese, Skorupa, et al do great work
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
You just like the fact that they both ranked the Rangers
as the best farm system.
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sure didn't hurt
even though I think I like the Padres and Jays more
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
and speaking of BB, their top 100 list is starting today
Luis Heredia eking out a spot is awesome and unexpected
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
This illustrates what's great about that site
3-4 guys give a brief view on each prospect on that list.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Don't you know how to spend $ wisely?
Why are you a long time subscriber to a horrible magazine?
by Colonel Travis on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Scouting reports.
I would take their scouting reports, combine with video and stats and form my own opinion.
BA weights tools too much for me. Not sure if they’ve evolved since I stopped subscribing, but it’s something they did consistently in the past.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, those goddam tools
Wonder if that pitcher can throw, or that batter can bat? Gee, I can’t fine any Synergy reports on the Padres’ AA 3B….
by Colonel Travis on Jan 23, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Synergy
Do you guys not believe in synergy in baseball or just mocking my application of the term?
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
It's pretty amazing, no?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I can't believe they put him in there. ROY, sure, but not a prospect. The Rangers certainly do not consider him a prospect.
Still, this means he has to be #1 in the Top 100, right?
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Hahahaha, nice one.
Of course it doesn’t.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
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I have a hard time seeing him ranked above Moore, much less Harper.
by LiamP on Jan 23, 2012 11:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yup
Just trying to figure out who else is ranked above him. Moore and Harper both are ranked ahead of him, for sure.
Does Trout still have eligibility?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
I love these look forward projections
I’ll say right now – if Holland is the #5 starter in 2015, then we’ve all gotten over the pain of game 6 (actually, I’ll never get over the pain of seeing the guy in front of me at Busch drop his full beer and jump up and down when Freese homered - because that will mean we’ve probably won or will win a WS.
There is also no way this team (a) extends BOTH Cruz and Josh. And if it does extend Ian and Elvis, the Ian is playing LF, not DH.
Finally, Martin Perez is not, and will never be, better than Holland.
Jack Daddy
is not? Sure.
Will never be? I don’t know about that.
It shouldn’t surprise anybody if Holland regresses a bit to something in between what he was in the first and second halves.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
more a factor of what i've seen in Perez
the 1/2 dozen times I’ve seen him. Over-powering isn’t a thought I come away with. Now, maybe he’s a great example of a player that has their secondary stuff “play up” when they reach the majors (jeez – aren’t you glad I didn’t say “The Show”?) and maybe he becomes better than Holland without “overpowering”. But when I watch the two and compare, I don’t see them being even in the same class.
Jack Daddy
They both have mid-90s fastballs, use their secondaries off of that,
and struggle with game to game consistency.
Holland may indeed have better stuff, but given the drawbacks we’ve already seen from him (gets wild, can live too much in the zone, etc), I don’t see how you can say a reasonably well thought of (and still quite young) prospect will never be better than Holland, and I’m a huge Holland fan.
Perez has good enough stuff to be successful in the majors. Perhaps even better stuff would give him a larger margin for error, but the areas he needs to improve in don’t really revolve around ‘throwing harder’.
stuff
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
GB
I’ve seen him 5-6 times and I bet that I can count the number of times that he’s topped 92-93 on one hand. I would agree with you if he threw mid 90s. Maybe I saw him on off days. But I can only remember a few swings and misses on FBs. Maybe 2.
Jack Daddy
Jason Cole states his fastball ranges from 90-96. Parks, 91-96.
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his
average FB velo has been inconsistent the last 2 years but it will certainly sit less than 94 in the long term.
How much less, do you figure?
Based on FanGraphs — dangerous, I know — Holland averaged a 92-92.5mph fastball his first couple seasons, before getting up to 94 this season.
If we’re drawing a contrast between Perez and Holland, and looking at fastball velocities and secondaries, I’m wondering if what Jack Daddy saw is enough to conclude that Perez will be less “overpowering,” Having seen little of Perez, it’s an honest question.
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(My sense, for example, is that Perez's change-up's better than Holland's,
but that could be off-base. Assuming it’s not, though, how much does that help Perez, in terms of his fastball?)
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I don't think that's off-base now.
Holland came up with a relatively decent change, IIRC.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I think Cole (or Parks, or both) labelled Perez's change a plus pitch.
I don’t think I remember Holland being credited with a plus change, but I could be forgetting that. I’m not arguing one way or the other; just genuinely interested in someone’s take on whether Perez is (as Jack Daddy’s arguing) never going to be as good as (or better than) Holland.
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I don't think it was ever plus, you're right. (Holland's change).
I don’t see any reason to be so positive that Perez can’t be as good as Holland. He has three plus pitches and is 20 years old. What is certain about him other than that he has potential?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
That's sort of my default, but I just don't know.
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I think it's more about where people think Holland is than Perez.
I love Holland as much as the next guy. I’ve been lauding him, it seems, for two years now non-stop. The guy we saw in Game 4 was tremendous. Pitched one of the best games in franchise history, if not the best considering the circumstances. He CAN do that every time he goes out.
But he almost certainly won’t. That game was about as good as he gets. That was a peak performance, not a new norm.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
When Holland was a prospect
most experts tabbed the change as his best secondary offering.
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They started that in 2007, and it's a lot of fun to go back and look through. I know it's a projection that leans
toward what is on hand and in the minors rather than a true forecast. Still, it’s fun to see the disparity.
In 2006, Kinsler was their #6 Rangers’ prospect, behind Volquez, Danks, Diamond, Arias, and Hurley. He wasn’t on the 2007 prospect list, since he was in the majors, but that’s the year the lineup projections began.
Projected (actual) 2010 lineup:
C: Laird (Treanor/Molina)
1B: Tex (Smoak/Moreland/Davis)
2B: Kinsler (Kinsler)
3B: Blalock (Young)
SS: Young (Elvis)
LF: Mayberry, Jr. (Hamilton/Murphy)
CF: Wilkerson (Borbon/Hamilton)
RF: Cruz (Cruz)
DH: Botts (Vlad)
No. 1: Danks (Lee)
No 2: Hurley (Wilson)
No 3: Millwood (Lewis)
No 4: Volquez (Hunter)
No 5: Diamond (Harden/Holland/Harrison)
Closer: Otsuka (Feliz)
2011 Projected (Actual) lineup:
C: Teagarden (Yorvit/Napoli)
1B: Salts (Moreland)
2B: Young (Kinsler)
3B: Davis (Beltre)
SS: Elvis (Elvis)
LF: Engel (Hamilton/Murphy)
CF: Borbon (Chavez/Gentry/Hamilton)
RF: Hamilton (Cruz/Murphy)
DH: Kinsler (Young/Napoli)
SP 1: Hurley (CJ)
SP 2: Feliz (Colby)
SP 3: Main (Holland)
SP 4: Beavan (Ogando)
SP 5: McCarthy (Harrison)
Closer: Kiker (Feliz)
Projected (actual, at this moment) 2012 lineup:
C: Teagarden (Napoli/Yorvit)
1B: Smoak (Moreland)
2B: Kinsler (Kinsler)
3B: Young (Beltre)
SS: Elvis (Elvis)
LF: Borbon (Hamilton/Murphy)
CF: Engel (Borbon/Gentry/Hamilton/Martin)
RF: Hamilton (Cruz/Murphy)
DH: Davis (Young/Napoli)
SP 1: Feliz (Darvish)
SP 2: Holland (Holland)
SP 3: Martin Perez (Colby)
SP 4: Michael Main (Feliz)
SP 5: Harrison (Harrison/Ogando)
Closer: Beavan (Nathan)
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
yes
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
I think the fact that not a single pitcher listed as an SP
was actually in the Rangers’ starting rotation the last two seasons is pretty impressive.
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Yes,
though trades affect that.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Of course. And free-agent signings.
I’m not banging on BA, here — what I find impressive is how the Rangers have put their team together.
I haven’t figured out if there’s any logic to how BA anticipates free-agent signings; how did they predict CD Wilson would stay with the team, for example?
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And, the Rangers didnt lose Holland, Feliz, Perez, Harrison to get their 2010/2011 rotations.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Yup.
As much credit as we give Jon Daniels here for the last couple years, it might not be enough.
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Well,
he probably gets too much credit for guys like Napoli maxing out, but then, he probably gets too little credit for moves like signing Endy Chavez.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
It's the "non-moves" that I'm thinking of, though.
Playing off rooster’s comment.
If, say, in 2008, someone had told you that Daniels had put together two consecutive pennant-winning starting rotations, and that one year the team was a strike away from the World Series crown, and he did it all without giving up more than one or two of the team’s top prospects, and one at most of the team’s top young pitchers - and done it all with a sub$100M payroll — what would you have said?
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Yeah, pretty damn impressive.
FA expenditures help, but most of this team’s success is built around trades that bring back minor league guys, drafting and LA.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Do you mind if I put this on the front page?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 23, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Well, that was part of the BBTiA piece I wrote back in March.
I don’t have a problem with it being on the front page, but: maybe you could also provide a link to the article with it, as a tip o’ the cap to Joey Matches and his fine site?
http://www.bbtia.com/home/2011/3/22/window-pains.html
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Ouch.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
We're just a supplement, Pras.
What can you do?
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I thought it was something he just did today
And posted in the comments here.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 23, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure what difference that really makes, but OK...
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by Snark on Jan 23, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Just tell him you did it today.
Problem solved.
by lost in space on Jan 23, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe I'll just quickly add the 2015 column.
BRAND NEW.
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Foolproof.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
by the end of the year
that 2012 rotation might look a “Main for Yu”-shy of spot on.
by Alan Smithee on Jan 23, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Good lord, even in 2006 I knew if MY was a shortstop by now something very bad would have happened.
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LSB just got mentioned in Ben & Skin
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by Rodney on Jan 23, 2012 10:36 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Just that Ben was reading the quotes from Simpson
And that it was a great/best Rangers blog.
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
What Yu Darvish !
I don’t know what happens to writers or reporters in America.Yu Darvish is not a ’ Prospect ’ anymore. He comes from the Nippon Major League! Japan has won the WBC two times.
He is a prospect until he establishes himself at the ML level or doesn't.
It’s not a respect thing, it’s just how their definition of prospect works.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
BA must change their definition then?
Yu Darvish establishes himself at the ML level? He’s is a World Champion!
Ichiro was a prospect for BA in 2001
by Colonel Travis on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
He is a champion of the WBC.
He has yet to throw a pitch in MLB. You are needlessly upset about this.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I think it's a respect thing
BA demands respect
by ab03 on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
how Yu does
in MLB has nothing to do with being a prospect. It has everything to do with being a rookie though.
I'm a little surprised by how many people in this thread are caught off guard.
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I wasn't caught off guard; BA uses ROY thresholds for determining prospect status. It still seems
not right. A few players deserve to be considered young MLers.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
That 2015 roto is sick
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 23, 2012 10:43 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Huh?
Darvish and Holland will be 29, Feliz will be 28, Perez will be 26, Ogando will be 31.
All younger than Colby Lewis will be in 2012.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He said the outfield.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Well holy shit.
Glossed right over that.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
i wouldn't expect the same players to be there in 2015.
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
The 2015 projection is meaningless.
BA have admitted as much. It just gives over-zealous people an opportunity to fap a bit.
by LiamP on Jan 23, 2012 11:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
A shart?
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Never?
That’s a record I don’t care to see broken.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Would we really rather have Napoli at first than Kinz?
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what's the price
and who has become available or developed in the mean time?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I mean if we have both, which one would you rather DH?
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Seeing "best strikezone discipline" go to your teenage shortstop is so awesome.
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along with best hitter for average to boot
wow. Looking back it’s amazing to remember that so many teams didn’t consider him as a position player at all.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
So where does Brad Hawpe fit into these rankings how that he's at AAA? hehe
Go big or go home!! Bet big to win big!!
by Steamin' Beamin' on Jan 23, 2012 11:44 AM CST reply actions
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWPE.
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It's harder to do well in the draft
when you don’t have elite picks. Plus, how do you judge picks like Justin Smoak or Tommy Hunter? If you combine them with guys like Holland, etc, and then Olt and Neil Ramirez, I think it doesn’t look so bad. I wouldn’t say they excel at it, but I don’t think they are horrific either.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
JD explicitly said in an interview with Emily Jones' that a factor for the Darvish bid was how hard
it will be to gobble up young talent under the new CBO. I don’t think their looking too strongly to the draft for their pipeline of talent.
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I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Nah,
they still will be, but the system will be much different. They can’t hope for the top guys to slide for bonus concerns any more.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Ok. Maybe elite talent is what I meant.
If they keep winning, the best they can hope for is overlooked guys like Olt or big time developmental projects like Akins.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
They'll try for both, I'm guessing.
Having a talented team with significant (though not perfectly distributed) minor league depth allows them to take chances on the Akins and Skoles of the world.
What I’ve been curious about, and I’m not sure anybody knows the answer, if this will actually make late first-second round picks more valuable than they were before because guys can’t hold out hoping the Red Sox take him in the 9th round and give him Supp. bonus money…
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I didn't know how to count that.
But, yes, that one, too.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Some think it will push those players to other sports.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
It probably will,
but who can know how much?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
I think the new NFL rookie contract scales will negate that affect
Depending on just how low the “slotting” for the top picks are it could push some kids to college instead of signing out of HS.
But its mainly going to make kids decide if the risk of going to college for at least 2 if not 3 years (1 year for JuCos which may see the biggest impact of all this) is worth the potential extra couple million dollars to move from the bottom of the 1st round to the middle or top of the 1st round.
In the past that reward could have been huge but now with the slotting system its not that great.
You can't really say
that they have hoped for this given that they have zero track record at selecting and paying these types.
Hunter was a successful pick
At #54, if a guy is a contributor on a major league team, that’s a success.
He currently has the 9th highest bWAR of any player picked #54 overall.
Scott Sanderson and Randy Wolf are 1-2, but then after that, you have Brett Tomko and Steve Ontiveros in the 7.5 bWAR range, and I don’t think it would be a surprise if he ended up passing them to be the 3rd best pick there.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 23, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I agree,
but I feel like ab03 might be using a higher standard.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
if yu ever get a decent major leaguer after pick 25 or 30 or so
you’ve done pretty well. id say Borbon has been at least decent for his draft position. maybe not his ml contract though
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 23, 2012 4:48 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
They have been particularly
bad in the early rounds (top 4/5) and terrible with hitters during the JD era. Their amateur staff needs to do a better job evaluating (US) hitting talent. I thought one of the reasons for the Welke/Preller “coup” was to address this weakness but outside of Olt things don’t seem to look any better but we can’t say for sure for a couple more years…
What is weird is that their skill at evaluating Latin American hitting talent has improved every year since Preller (and staff) came on board, save for Esdras Abreu, though, they have only been in on elite (7 figure) j2 hitters beginning in 2009.
how many hitters have they taken in those rounds?
jd and co have really focused on pirchers. i think rightly because after the first dozen or so hitters there is rarely any real ceiling left. with pitchers the higher risk works in your favor in that range
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 23, 2012 10:00 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
While that's not a terrible way to go,
it does make it a bit difficult given the average time to the majors for most of these guys.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
it remains to be seen
how their top picks from the last couple of years do, but, yeah, it would seem they need to do better with their top picks.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
generating plus bat speed
while holding the bat in your teeth is the new market inefficiency!
Mike Maddux was on Norm earlier
and mentioned Matt West as a player that intrigued him. Bet he cracks the top ten by the end of the year.
I was thinking about him just now, also.
If you were wanting to make a list that would make you look good in a couple of years, wouldn’t you toss in West at the end?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
I think both Jason's had him in their top ten.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Maybe that's their thinking on Buckel.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
I bet he's in the bullpen by the end of the year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
*Round Rock?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Arlington.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Matt West is a player that intrigues me, as well.
It’s always nice to know I have something in common with Mike Maddux.
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You are both males who want to see the Rangers pitching staff perform well.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Too rare?
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 23, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
IT'S A CONSPIRACY.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I love having him around.
English is not, I suspect, gio2chat’s first language, but he speaks baseball, without a doubt.
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Also, he seems as if he might be as big a Profar fan as all of us here.
I think that’s where the aggravation over Darvish’s ranking might be coming from.
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i'm also a Darvish fan,before his signing!y'r right!I'm writing in different languages.
spanish, dutch, english, italian, etc…..etc….
None.
Here’s the funny thing: it really is a made-up name. It got truncated, we think (probably by a hapless immigration official) from something more Baltic sounding: Garunis, maybe.
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True, so lay off him a bit, huh.
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
I'm the last person you need to tell to layoff someone.
I enjoy most everyone here.
by lost in space on Jan 23, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Yer sweet like that
:)
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
This tethering thing will be much better when my new data plan kicks in
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
!!!
Texas affiliates posted the highest combined winning percentage (.564) of all organization in 2011, and all of the full-season clubs qualified for the playoffs.
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
!!!!!
Since Jon Daniels took over as GM following the 2005 season, the Rangers have become a model organization for scouting and player development.
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
fap fap fap fap
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
This is pure three-way
with Kate Upton and Kim Fischer.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
So I revisited that Davenport projection for Martin.
I found a mistake I made (giving him 55 PAs, when it’s 55 ABs), and park adjusted. With an adjustment, his wOBA comes out at .317. Without (in case he already adjusts) that’s .322.
That’s about a third of a run above average every 200 PAs in the 2011 context. Roughly three times that without park adjustment. In any case, it’s slightly above average.
In 600 PAs, that’s about 23 runs above a replacement centerfielder with average defense.
So, in short, the Davenport projection for Martin’s rookie year is pretty much an average offensive centerfielder given a full season; ever-so-slightly better. You can add runs on top of that if you think he’s a good fielder.
So, less thrilled, but I’d still be happy with it.
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I would be quite pleased with that.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
I can't imagine anyone would be disappointed with that
from a rookie up the middle guy. I’d be thrilled, actually, assuming his defense is at least average, since it helps keep Hamilton in LF and assuages some of our worries about OF depth (and the long term picture of the OF in general).
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I feel more confident that he will be an above average fielder than anything else.
If you give me an average bat to go with it, especially in his first year, I would feel great about it even though I’m not sure how long, if ever, it takes him to reach that ~AllStar ceiling.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
The thought occurred to me driving in...
If we do magically sign Fielder (very unlikely to happen and all)…
We would have an all star (or all star level in the case of Napoli) at every position but CF.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Trade For Andrew McCutcheon.
BAZZINGA! Presto. Done.
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"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I remember the year the Indians got Robbie Alomar, and it meant when David Justice was in the field, they had an All-Star at every position.
In my mind, that meant they were incredible and going to win the World Series.
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At P they had Nagy and future All-Star Bartolo Colon, and DH they had future All-Stars Richie Sexson.
Then they had that whole lineup together, like, never.
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It looks like only on opening day, and Sexson didn't start.
Man.
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115 different defensive lineups, not including pitchers.
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There were people yesterday who seemed like they'd be disappointed.
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I would only be disappointed
if Borbon and Gentry struggled that badly, and Martin received that few PAs.
that's because I wasn't around
with my sunny optimism. :)
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jimcallisBA Jim Callis
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3 picks in the first and supp rounds
feels good
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Hey, I really like this list
I’m a huge fan of both Villenueva and Buckel and I think they are both deserving of their top ten spots. Anyways, this system is going to be fun to watch this year.
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Frankie P throws down a glowing scouting report of Profar.
http://rangers.scout.com/2/1151248.html
He has him as the #7 prospect.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
This isn't BP.
It’s Scout.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Oh, were the two things not related?
BP is really cheap, btw. And TOTALLY worth it.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I only subscribe to Scout at certain times of the year, like now.
When all the rankings are coming out.
I’ll answer the BP question in just a moment…
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
$40.00 for the 12 month premium sub
Or $4.95 per month for the monthly sub where you don’t get the Pecota spreadsheets.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Just a snippet.
This is a complete hitter who will be able to spray the ball all over the park at the big league level. If there’s a perennial .300 hitter in the minors, it’s Jurickson Profar.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Jobu
Bankruptcy tax would be really interesting. Where did you begin the course?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
We've had one class, so far
Discussed extremely basic bankruptcy stuff, of which I was familiar from my days with Stutzman. Then we discussed a case, Begier, talking about how managers/directors are liable if they retain withheld taxes and enter bankruptcy.
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