Tuesday(s With Sean Green) Morning Rangers Update
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 8:02 AM CST
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Anthony Andro writes about Josh Hamilton's appearance at a Winter Caravan stop in Ft. Worth last night. In addition to signing autographs for fans, Hamilton spoke a bit about his contract extension talks and voiced a little frustration over being compared to Prince Fielder.
Jesse Sanchez writes about a contingent of Rangers' brass visiting the Dominican Republican. Nolan Ryan and the gang took some time on Monday to scout free-agent Cuban lefty Gerardo Concepcion.
Even with the Rangers on holiday, the show must go on. Gerry Fraley has a report on the Rangers finding a trade market for Koji Uehara. Reports last night speculated that Koji could land in Toronto but he would need to waive his no-trade clause before that could happen.
Perhaps the Rangers could use the $4 million saved by trading Uehara to help them land Prince Fielder. Rick Gosselin spoke of the Fielder sweepstakes on SportsDay Live and said that if Fielder is choosing between Nationals and Rangers then it is about the money versus opportunity to win.
Richard Durrett has his Positional Outlook on the first base position. Which, for now, is a job for the combination of Mitch Moreland, Michael Young, and Mike Napoli.
Andro writes that Mike Maddux is confident that Yu Darvish will come to Spring Training next month in shape after Darvish returned to Japan to continue his training program.
Durrett has the dates for the Rangers' arbitration hearings should they be unable to reach agreements with their remaining arbitration eligible players.
Alden Gonzalez is the latest baseball writer to take note of the ramped-up rivalry between the Rangers and Angels.
Matthew Pouliot has a piece on how the Rangers may have benefited from career low strikeout rates for a majority of their hitters in 2011.
Finally, T.R. Sullivan notes that the Rangers have signed a couple of relievers to minor league contracts with invitations to Spring Training. One of the pitchers is lefty Mitch Stetter who was with Milwaukee last season. The other is righty Sean Green.
Man: Hey Sean, I heard you were coming to Surprise for Spring Training.
Maryvale.
Man: What's that?
Where we train.
Man: Where who trains?
The Brewers.
Man: The Brewers train in Phoenix. Maryvale is a neighborhood in Phoenix.
Oh.
Man: Also, you're a Ranger now. They train in Surprise.
Oh yeah
(This has been a tribute to my favorite Jeff Sullivan bit of all time: Tuesdays With Sean Green.)
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Uehara salary
I thought Baltimore was picking up half his salary this year.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
by t ball on Jan 24, 2012 8:07 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
They gave us $2M in cash considerations as part of the trade.
They don’t actually pay half his salary. We keep the $2M regardless.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't really know about trading Koji
This would be kind of buying high and selling low. Plus, I personally think he has a decent chance of bouncing back from his late-season blunders last year.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 8:14 AM CST up reply actions
I'm betting it still has something to do with the rumors that he didn't really want to be in Texas from earlier in the offseason
Considering our winter-long interest in quality right-handed relief despite having quality right-handed relief coming our our ass, my guess is they’ve been looking for a deal they felt comfortable moving him in all this time.
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
That would make sense
if it is indeed true that Koji doesn’t like it in Texas and wants out. It would definitely help to explain why we went so hard after Bailey, a move that I never really understood.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah I think its likely the rumors are true..
And hey while I’m sure JD wont give him away, you surely don’t want someone on your team who doesn’t want to be here.
I doubt that
I think they just might be worried about his HR rates at the ballpark and want to save the money.
He’s got one or two japanese teammates, and we have a great clubhouse… Surely he can get over that with a ST with the team
I'm sure having people from similar backgrounds helps
but I’m not sure it is a cure all. They are all japanese but what if he thinks Yu is a tool?
by elchicodelgado on Jan 24, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Or vice versa.
I’ve made this point before myself… just because they are countrymen, we shouldn’t assume they are buddies.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
What?
All Japanese don’t like each other? Blasphemy!!!
I always wondered why Kent and Bonds hated each other. They are both Americans. Geeez…
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
They both had mustaches too.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2012 9:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You're right!!!
It doesn’t make sense. It must have been an act.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
True,
Just thinking about being in his shoes. I bet it would be nice to have someone you can actually converse with in depth for a change.
He'll have his trainer and Joe Furukawa
And he was teammates with Yoshi before.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
What exactly are you arguing?
That he’ll be isolated and depressed without teammates to converse in Japanese with… despite constantly having his trainer and translator around?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It could also
speed up his learning curve in terms of English. Immersion…
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
His father already said he's not planning on using a translator with his teammates.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Perfect.
That will help even more.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
Yu Darvish.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Well this makes much more sense now.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I just don't know what you're arguing...
So what are you arguing?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No, I'm working under the assumption that he has options
which might be wrong.
I just think there’s a decent chance he doesn’t break with the club this season and is stashed in AAA until needed.
If Uehara is traded, there’s a better chance he breaks with the club, I suppose.
Yeah, I just mean if Koji is not traded,
hopefully he can get over any mental/emotional problems he’s having in Texas.
I think having other ballplayers he can converse with in Japanese might help with that. I think Yu helps, and I think Yoshi would help, too, but might not be on the club if Koji sticks around.
Two Frank already signed with the Mets
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Face's got dirty knees.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2012 9:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I used to think along these lines.
And then I saw the intro press conference… I’m very happy we have Yoshi and Koji in the fold.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Why?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
It all depends on what we get back
If we can get back something close to Davis/Hunter, it won’t be selling for very low.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Name of the day:
Rangers non-roster Spring Training invitee Yangervis Solarte
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Yu know that Yu want to Hawpe on the Princely Yang
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 8:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
TUESDAYS WITH SEAN GREEN
I FUCKING LOVE YOU GOET
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
x
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
by jam0152 on Jan 24, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I just asked Joe Morgan, and he said something about the Hall of Fame
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
by LSJ on Jan 24, 2012 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I googled him
All I found was a bunch of sex stuff
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 8:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
No.
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 8:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
sounds like a Big Bang Theory episode title
Profar, so good!
by Panorama on Jan 24, 2012 11:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Conspiracy question: Could Darvish have demanded, say, $10MM from the Fighting Hams to sign the Rangers final contract offer?
Nippon is looking at $51.7MM vs $0 in posting fees. Darvish has all the leverage with them and can tell them to essentially accept $41M or $0.
The negotiation would be much more subtle of course. I’m imagining he couches the conversation with Nippon in terms of feeling low-balled by the Rangers and feeling he must decline the contract offer out of respect for the Japanese baseball institution. The Fighting Hams, sensing $51.7M slipping away, offer to fund the gap to appease Darvish.
Its possible, but unlikely
If it happened, we’d never find out about it
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
It's not allowed
If you really wanted to go conspiracy you can try and figure out a way it could be done secretly, but that’s a ton of money to funnel which would blow up the whole deal (and possibly the posting system) if it was discovered.
I think Conception would spawn better puns than Yu.
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 8:53 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Only if we can spell his name right, though.
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 8:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
But not nearly the volume
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 24, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
Missed opportunities...
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 9:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That was a strange article
Yes, it’s unlikely the Rangers do quite that well in the K dept. again, but he seems to have missed out on the massive team improvement from 2009 to 2010. Perhaps they were a tad lucky in 2011, but the overall improvement seems genuine, and I wouldn’t expect any regression to be significant and/or a big drag on run production.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Maybe this is what is holding Prince up...
http://www.theonion.com/articles/prince-fielder-catching-on-to-fact-that-teams-take,27111/
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
This just in
Benjie Molina to come out of retirement.
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 9:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who weighs more?
2010 Bengie or Prince Fielder this morning.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
A pound of feathers or a pound of rocks?
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
Bengie.
He was enormous.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I'd say ...from the eye test...no more than 10 lbs.
PF goes close to 3 bills.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Looks bigger in street clothes in my opinion.
Those pics that circulated from Cool River were greatness.
by lost in space on Jan 24, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
What a strange FA year it's been.
I would have never imagined on January 24th you could still have Fielder or Edwin Jackson if you wanted them. Jackson really shocks me. Teams have been overpaying for mediocre pitching for years and this guy might be signing a 1 year deal. Wow.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 9:43 AM CST reply actions
Fielder is a fat fuck and his agent wants a long-term $ 150 million+ contract plus Boston & NYY aren't spending money / have 1B covered.
It’s not that difficult.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Welp
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
x
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
No, it's really not that difficult to know why Fielder is still available.
He’s an overweight DH that will fall off a cliff in 4-5 years.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Welp
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
If it takes him 5 years to fall off a cliff
Would you sign him for 6 years, knowing that you’ll get 1 or 2 bad years at the end?
Knowing you could pair his .300/.400/.550 slash and 40 HR, 130 RBI’s with next year’s club?
I've asked him this three times.
Much like the list of pitchers he’d pay $110M, it’ll never be forthcoming.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
he's simply positioning himself
so that no matter what Fielder actually produces, whenever he eventually declines he can say “I told you so.” I told you so is Josey’s only reason to exist.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
by t ball on Jan 24, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No...Fielder would come here and be a monster but he's a terrible
defender and he’s fat as hell.
Fat as hell normally doesn’t last much past 30 in The Show and I don’t want to sink $ 25 million per on a DH.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
So, is there a scenario
where he hits well enough to compensate for his lack of defense and still be work his salary?
Sure...a hard 3 year opt out...$ 20 million per with a $ 10 million buyout.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
So 70 million for 3 years?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Yep, take it or leave it.
I’d tack on 3 more years at $ 20 million but opt out is mutual.
If he’s a fatter fuck than he is today and can’t hack it, cut him a $ 10 million check and wash your hands.
If he wants out and thinks he can get more, see ya.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
A mutual opt out is pointless
Might as well just offer a 3/70 deal… one side will very usually opt-out.
But Boras can spin it that PF signed a 6 year / 120 deal.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
That makes sense
I still think he’s worth more than that, personally, but that’s not an unreasonable stance.
3/70 is very close to a 0-risk contract. If you can get a 27 yr old, top-10 hitter in baseball on a 0-risk contract in free agency, you’re a miracle worker.
In 3 years, the Dodgers and Mets will have new owners
and may be looking to make a splash.
Maybe the Cubs, who will have shed Soriano’s deal, make a play for him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
It's worth selling
and if it works, it would be a miracle signing. That being said, I think it’ll take more, and I’d be willing to give it.
Everybody would know that it's
going to be a 3/70 deal.
$ 23 million per in his prime to play for one of the best teams in The Show is a win-win for everybody.
Maybe he drops the fork, gets serious about his conditioning, loves it in Texas and plays for 6 years here.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
The odds of a mutual opt-out being taken
for a 30 year old player are so small that it’s not worth considering.
Its not only pointless
It is something a player could easily say fuck it too and you no longer have a mutual opt out but a player who just agreed to be paying another 60 million dollars when you didn’t want him.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Wow, how come no one has pointed this out?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
That list would be very small, 'Stick.
One of my requirements would be at least one inning pitched in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Make it then.
If it’s so small, it should be quick and easy.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
goET needs to issue a moderator's challenge.
Either Josey makes a list of pitchers he’d pay $110M or Josey never mentions “has to be a top five pitcher” or any variation again.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Jan 24, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lincecum, Lee, Kershaw, Verlander and maybe Cole Hamels.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
No Halladay?
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nope.
34 years old.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
He's 1 year older than Lee
What a difference a year makes, huh?
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
I like Lee's future a helluva lot more than Doc's.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Why?
Less IPs?
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Because it fits the argument he's putting out there.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
It really doesn't, though.
I don’t see how Halladay’s future has anything to do with Yu Darvish.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
the argument seems to be
you only pay players who have already been great in the MLB for 5 years no matter what your scouts, pitching coach, or HOF owner seem to think.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
How long has Kershaw been in The Show?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
I think he did one week in
Jersey Boys. Is that The Show you are referencing?
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Why is Kershaw's road ERA
higher than Felix’s? He must suck.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
by t ball on Jan 24, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
National League is harder.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Jan 24, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We're talking about why I like Lee's future
more than I like Halladay’s future.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Melikey leftys and Doc has 8 seasons with 220+IPs
while Lee has only 3 of those.
Doc is great but those boys only have so many bullets.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
I'd do $110 for Doc
Just because I think he’s still got 2-3 Doc years in him… and those years are so good they’d be worth the money.
I assume you don’t want C.C. because of his weight… but $110M is easily worth it for him. He’s fantastic.
I’m curious how you’ll explain leaving Felix off the list.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I agree on Doc having 2, maybe 3 years left
but I doubt he’s doing this at age 38 so I pass.
King Felix…worked really hard in his 20s and his career road ERA is what, 3.25 or some such.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Philly gave him what, 3/60?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
You realize that Verlander's ERA (yes, just ERA. No home/road splits) for the past five seasons
is 3.44 or something like that? You talk like an ERA of 3.25 is a bad thing.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
I think Verlander's road ERA was
something like 2.43 last year…somebody needs to go suck down that bottle of research.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Kershaw's road ERA is higher than Felix's
and Comerica isn’t exactly a raging hitter’s park. Someone needs to go suck down that bottle of research.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Is Kershaw a lefty?
Thank you.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Joseyball is fun.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
by K.S.B. on Jan 24, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's not a reason
to say Hernandez isn’t worth the money. It’s an argument for Kershaw that has nothing to do with Hernandez. Thank you.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Quick question for you, how many seasons of 30+ starts do you think Verlander has in his career?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Oh, yes, because Verlanders 2011 road BABIP of .225 is so sustainable
He’s definitely going to do that again right?
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
This man assumed there was a good chance Mike Napoli's early season BABIP was going to be sustained.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
Do you have a link to that post or are you lying?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Do you have a link to the post where I said you're racist for thinking Elvis > Borbon?
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
He hasn't figured out
how to add links to his little Word Document clipboard he uses to repost the same arguments day after day.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Still think Judy is a smart player?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
So you don't?
Do you have a link to the post where I said Julio Borbon is a smart player?
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Would appreciate it if you'd tell me what you think about Verlander's road BABIP last season.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
And just to add, the road LOB% for Verlander in 2011 is 83.2%
Another perfectly sustainable figure.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
I think it doesn't mean shit...he's a great pitcher.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
See, this is what I was getting at.
He doesn’t actually have a clue what information BABIP has for someone.
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When did I lie?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
I thought there was an implication...
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Are you going to hurt those women?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Its very weird
Probably has something to do with Josey being an old racist
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
The Crutch of the Unsophisticated...
when you’re getting your ass handed to you in an argument, claim racism.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
thou dost protest too much methinks
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Is that what's been happening here?
You’ve been handing people’s asses to them? Here I thought we were all just laughing at how stupid your baseball opinions are.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
He's Roy Halladay
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
(greatest argument ever?)
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
over how many years?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Yu's contract
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
and how many of them are in the magic 24-27 age range he crows about?
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
The magical 24-28 range covers players not pitchers...get it right, Keynes.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Not for that particular discussion.
There is a big difference.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Not really.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Are pitchers not good from 24-28?
I mean, Dutch is good… Neftali’s good… Harry’s good… Yu is good (you pretend not to see that yet)… Ogando’s good (but turning 29 this year)….
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Lincecum?
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He is also good at baseball.
So is Kershaw, and Hamels.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
No, they're good but my 24-28 argument had
to with that being an organization weakness …meaning we don’t have enough every day players in that age range.
Players in that age range improve while players older than 30 start to decline.
How is this such a hard concept for you?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
But we need to spend $100+ million
On a 31 year old Hamilton. How does that help that argument?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You're using logic, Match.
That’s frowned upon in Joseyball™.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Because he's one of the most talented
players in The Show and he’s the most important player on this team.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Your arguments aren't exactly black and white.
by lost in space on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Or are they?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Are you fucking serious?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Nope.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think I understand age curves and how they apply to macro theories, Hosey.
What I don’t understand is the arbitrariness of leaving pitchers out.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
You may have to hit the eject button on the discussion.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
And more...
Joseyball™.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Ron Shandler in Baseball Forecaster
mentions something about pitchers at least maintaining growth from 29-34.
by ruben_sierra#21 on Jan 24, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Not really
the details change based on what ax you are grinding, silly.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
So...
No Felix, no Weaver, no Sabathia, no Greinke, no Price.
Three Cy Young winners and two guys who could win one in Price and C.C. is the only one over 30.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He sure does love those NL pitchers.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
by Aqua on Jan 24, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone knows he just pulled five names out of his ass.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
by K.S.B. on Jan 24, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
No....CC has been great but I wouldn't give that fat ass $ 110 million.
How much did Weaver & Felix get?
What’s Felix’s ERA when he’s not in Seattle?
No Greinke, no Price.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
What they got doesn't matter.
What they got is a matter of leverage. It’s a case of what you would pay if you could get them.
Clayton Kershaw isn’t going to get dick for a while.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You asked me for a list...it's not my fault you don't like my list.
For $ 110 million, I want greatness right away with no time for adjustments and I want good health.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
It's not that people "don't like [your] list."
It’s that your list makes no fucking sense, with those you choose to leave off.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
by K.S.B. on Jan 24, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
WELP
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
But you don't want Felix Hernandez.
Who has started 30+ games each of the last six years and dominated.
And you do want Cliff Lee, who is 8 years older and has only started 30+ games in season 7 times total.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
How many seasons under the age of 25 did
Lee throw more than 200 IPs in The Show?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
And, yet another new rule of Joseyball is created.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
It's like when I played sports in the backyard
with my 3 year old sister. The rules change so often you can’t keep up.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Perfect.
Josey as a 3-year-old girl, changing the rules all the time so she wins.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
If you kick it between the chairs, it's a goal.
Well you kicked it with your left foot, that doesn’t count.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
It bounced off my butt before going through,
so it’s actually negative points for you.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Its not even Joseyball
Its that card game from big daddy where the kid always wins
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Only you could make the dominant start to Felix's career and the fact that he is probably better now than Cliff Lee ever was
A bad thing.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Just so we're clear. . .
Everyone assumes he just forgot about Felix and had to make up reasons he wouldn’t pay Felix once that was brought up, right?
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Correct.
It’s either that or Feliz got left off because his last name was Hernandez.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
This is equally plausible.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Are you joking?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Yes.
I think you just forgot about him.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Too many IPs at an early age, 'Stick.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not making up reasons about Felix.
They’ve rode him hard.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
No... there's ample evidence that's not true.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah, I'm pretty sure BP had a nifty article on that once upon a time.
Had he just said that and not brought up road ERA, or other pitchers with other good reasons to be wary, this would never have been so hilarious.
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really?
Link please
The few I glanced at just now didn’t seem to be bothered by high innings totals early in their careers. Would like to see the names of the guys who that wasn’t true for
I'm kidding.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Are you serious?
I guess I could be imagining said article.
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I was kidding yet.
I have never seen any research showing that. It may exist, but I haven’t seen it.
At least not in terms of innings… pitch counts is a different matter and it’s still not universal.
Every arm is different.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
But we all know a successful young arm isn't as valuable as a less successful old arm.
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
Bill James had a long article (I have no
idea where to find it) about why some pitchers have long careers and why some pitchers do not.
A heavy workload in the 18-25 years was a big red flag.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
It's probably in the same place
as Gammons saying Young can play a quality CF.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
But he totally did play CF!
If there’s no evidence of him doing so, it has to be wrong.
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I have no earthly idea how to search for something on the subject.
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How stressful were those innings?
Have his pitch counts been high? Has he faded down the stretch?
ML teams do a bit more than glance at innings total and say “OMG!!!”
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
was he also put away wet?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Oh, definitely
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Hahahahaha.
Felix’s road ERA the past two years… 3.10 and 2.46.
Good one.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Felix has a 3.35 career FIP at home
3.41 on the road.
He allows fewer HRs (by percentage of total batters faced), gets more groundballs, and allows slightly fewer line drives on the road than he does in Safeco.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I find that to be actually very interesting.
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The only reason his FIP is lower at home is that he walks just a smidge more and strikes out just a smidge fewer on the road.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I would bet pitch selection
has something to do with it. Moer sinking fastballs on the road knowing you aren’t playing in Yellowstone.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
8.37 K/9 at home vs. 8.03 on the road
2.64 BB/9 vs. 2.85 on the road. That’s it.
HR/9 is .77 at home and .73 on the road.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I'm wondering if he will even respond to this post.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Felix's road ERA
is nearly identical to his home number.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
wow this is the dumbest thing I've ever read on here
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Normally I'm mad at you people for responding to him so much.
But every now and then it results in hilarity, so good job.
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That is odd.
His entire list is white.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
But Fergie Jenkins is one of my all-time faves and
I argued that David Price should have won the Cy Young in 2010.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
But you won't take him on your list now.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Fergie Jenkins is pretty old.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Jan 24, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Touche
I meant Price.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
But he's proven himself in The Show.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I love DPrice but he's had one good year in The Show.
He’s not getting $ 110 million from me yet.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
So David Price doesn't get 110mil because he hasn't had ENOUGH good years in The Show,
while Felix Hernandez doesn’t get 110mil because he’s had too MANY good years in The Show.
Got it.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
No...King Felix doesn't get it because he's logged
way too many innings before the age of 25.
Why is this so hard for you?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
And David Price doesn't get there because he's logged too FEW innings.
Got it.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
No, DPrice has had one very good to great year.
He’s not getting $ 100 million from me.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
And he's black.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
True but Michael Young is half Mexican and my current favorite Ranger.
Migs Cabrera is hispanic (Venezuela?) but his $ 153 million deal is a bargain and same for the very Mexican AGonzales.
Ryan Braun is Jewish and I thought he was the right choice for MVP even if Kemp (who is black) was a Dodger.
I think Matt Kemp (who is black) is well worth the investment.
I thought Curtis Granderson (who is black) should have been the AL MVP and deserves a helluva lot more money than he’s being paid right now.
Ian Kinsler, who is Jewish, shouldn’t accept any less than a 5/80 extension.
Try, try again ,Woodcock.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
I love these lists.
I think these are my favorite JW bit. As Chris Rock once said, “If you can count the number of black friends you have off the top of your head, you’re racist.”
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
But you think the reason I wouldn't give DPrice $ 110 million
is solely because he’s black.
That’s dumbass.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Welp
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
You got nothing, Woodcock.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
I have a world of baseball knowledge
that you would kill for.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
You can rake an infield much better than me.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That's definitely on the list.
Pretty much anything to do with baseball is.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
No, that's racism
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
He still doesn't understand.
That making a list of people of other races and religions and saying you like/respect them doesn’t prove anything.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
You are Colonel Jessep
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
3.49 ERA, 3.32 FIP, 3.32 xFIP
Not good.
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Not so odd.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Nope, see above.
He’s also been worked really hard in his early 20s.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder if you and RevHF will be inducted into the trolling HOF in the same
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
...year
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
5 years?
Do you really think it will take 5 years? Because if you do, you should sign him yesterday to a 6 year deal
Even 7 depending on how cheap you can get the first few.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
If he can produce at the level he's been producing in the recent years
for another 4-5 season before he declines, then signing a six-year contract with him would make perfect sense.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
I find this "if" to be rather large.
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JUST LIKE PRINCE FIELDER.
/JW.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
but it's that "if"
that makes Fielder even available at this late date. Teams wonder, so his price comes down.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I agree, but JW sees Prince falling off a cliff after 4-5 years, so I'm just responding to him.
For the record, I don’t assume that to be true by any means.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Oh shoot, I wasn't keeping up well, then.
My bad.
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WE FUCKING KNOW THAT JW
you’ve told us a billion times
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Then he sent Josey
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 9:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
what a transition
You went from CS Lewis (Screwtape Letters) to JW
by das06h on Jan 24, 2012 10:30 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Are they all really that short?
I know actors are generally shorter than they appear on camera, but 4 out of 5 look to be 5’9" or below …
I was thinking the same thing
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
OT: Individual Game Tickets
I can’t remember the normal time the Rangers sell individual game tickets. Can anyone help me out? Thanks.
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
march 3
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
at 9 a.m.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Central time
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
(In Texas)
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I just read some of the comments on that Angels/Rangers rivalry story.
Had to hear from “Halojake” about how Dallas is a smaller media market than Houston, and Texans are dumb because of “imbreeding”.
Honestly, can people really be this ignorant?
Er, it's the Internet
Stupidity is not a scarcity in those regions.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
I guess you've never visited HH?
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, that's kind of their thing over there.
Meh, whatever, stereotypes are for the weak of mind, both to use and to live up to.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
The Ghost of Joe Paterno (with heavy Italian accent) just showed up on The Ticket.
Too soon.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
OT Thread
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Arguing with Josey is like
playing Calvinball.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
by K.S.B. on Jan 24, 2012 10:17 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
If he was a mod
You would be the first and only person he banned
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 10:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh hey
If you’ve got a Tom Thumb or Randall’s near, they’ve got the Christmas Blend Via on clearance for half price. 3.49 here for an 8 pack.
notbad.jpg
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Wow that brings back memories
“Other kids’ games are all such a bore!
They’ve gotta have rules and they gotta keep score!
Calvinball is better by far!
It’s never the same! It’s always bizarre!
You don’t need a team or a referee!
You know that it’s great, ‘cause it’s named after me!”
(Backup-Singing “Rumma Tum Tums”)
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
I'm going to dream that Koji to TOR talks center around D'Arnaud coming back to us
Don’t none of ya’ll mess with my dream now
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
that was my first though
Toronto has two young starting catchers, I want one. My second thought was wondering how much in addition to Uehara would have to go to TOR.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I guess it depends on what we get back for Koji but if it's just organizational fodder...failed trade?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
This is a tough one
Results-wise, yeah, it’s not great. Koji wasn’t as bad as his flukey HR rate would have you believe, but, in the end… he just wasn’t great shakes.
Tommy Hunter is a LAIE, and that always has a value. The fact that he had an option remaining just adds to that. We probably have 8 starters or starter candidates who are far more skilled, but you can never have enough.
And Chris Davis… meh. We didn’t have a lot of choice but to sell low, because the next step was to give away. Maybe he puts things together for a short stretch and makes the deal look bad in hindsight, but that performance would never come here anyway.
But, all that said- Koji struck guys out (a lot), didn’t walk guys (at all), and got a lot of ground balls. You can’t ask for a lot more than that out of a pitcher. One out of every four fly balls he had left the park, though, so we hate him and left him off the WS roster. And now we might be put into another ‘sell low now or let go for nothing deal’.
However, we use his 4 million to sign Oswalt (and trade Harry or Ogando for something real shiny) or Prince and the factors change again.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Would you trade for one of those catchers
and roll with Napoli as your pretty much everyday 1B with a sprinkle of Young? No Fielder in the mix.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
that's why he's perfect
You can work him in gradually late this year and next while Napoli remains the starter. (assuming you extend Napoli)
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I don't think Josh, Napoli or Cobra are going to get extensions.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
WELP
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
my thoughts exactly
would love to get some of those ‘hard to come by’ picks for Josh and Colby after 2012
by Baseball North on Jan 24, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I think I agree.
As usual, it depends on how much everyone wants. I’m pretty positive Josh will want too much. I’m going to be really sad if we don’t extend Napoli, but if he wants to be paid off a career year with some psycho outlier peripherals, it’s the right call. Colby Lewis is probably good if only to make room in the rotation, but if he’d come cheap I’d be pretty torn.
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Will be tough to say goodbye, but would be tougher to overpay.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Plus Jon Daniels creeps in silence, like lasagna
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
agree
said as much below just now. I think he could easily get more money and years than Hamilton.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I wouldn't go that far
But they could be a hell of a lot closer than I would have thought 12 months ago
I'm not saying a lot more
but I can see a similar AAV with more guaranteed for Napoli (vs. some games played incentives for Hamilton).
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
a lot of other things
Did you sign Fielder? If not, what does Moreland do this year? A lot can happen in the meantime. D’Arnaud spends most of this year in AAA while you decide. It also depends on how D’Arnaud looks this year and if you think he’s ready. You could still use Napoli at catcher and split time with D’Arnaud for a few years, probably be good for both of them, gradually shifting the percentage of starts at C towards D’Arnaud as Napoli ages.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I said no Fielder.
I will admit to not knowing D’Arnaud isn’t quite big league ready. That changes my hypothetical.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I misread your post at first
but even without Fielder, I guess I’m advocating mixing Napoli and D’Arnaud at C with Napoli getting plenty of time at 1B/DH. I’m not sure Napoli will be around, though, he’s going to be expensive and/or I think he’s going to want to test the market. Catcher is such a weak position right now I think someone will offer him a ton.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Its probably be whichever one the organization prefers
Arencibia has 5 years of control left so its not like hes a FA in a couple years
they do, but Arencibia is semi-established already in the majors
I’m sure if D’Arnaud comes and rips it up, Toronto would trade Arencebia. Teams would still be lining up to get Arencibia’s 4+ years of control and 25+ hr bat
by Baseball North on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'd be pretty excited to get either one of them.
I don’t expect either to be a HOF, or even a perennial allstar, but they’d be valuable for a long time.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
exactly, and if the Rangers continue to have a surplus of starter next year
maybe a trade with the framework of Harrison or Ogando for Arencebia might work for both sides
by Baseball North on Jan 24, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
I think it could happen
given how weak the catcher position is right now, but I wouldn’t expect him to be one of the top catchers in the league every year like a McCann or something.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I just don't know.
I really want to talk myself out of D’Arnaud, but my gut keeps leading me back to him, and I just had a two day course on following my gut decisions.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Hosted by Ronald Washington, esq.?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
hard to say
both are good with several years before free agency. Arencibia is a bit more ready and with the 2nd wild card coming up they might want to roll that way.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Arencibia
That walk rate is pretty low and the K rate is pretty through the roof. He hit us hard last year, but no knowing the player that well, it’s hard to look at his stats and see a future, everyday catcher. He’s got power, that’s for sure, but other than that …
Catchers collectively hit
.238/.305/.391 last year, the bar isn’t very high to be adequate with the bat. You’d expect Arencibia to be lower OBP and higher SLG than the average C, yes. The overall league-wide BB rate last year was just over 8%, Arencibia was at 7.4%, though he was generally below average in the minors. D’Arnaud has a similar profile.
I lean towards D’Arnaud because I think he’s just a bit better at patience and contact at the plate, and has carried a more solid defensive reputation behind it.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
No wonder Napoli wants the world in an extension
I noticed how D’Arnaud’s SO rate jumped once he was in the Jays system and at higher levels, but I agree, just looking at the numbers, he seems to have better contact skills, so his overall profile is going to look better.
I like him more b/c of that and b/c he could go to AAA this year and be ready to come in next season, splitting time with someone.
For this year, I’m fine with the Napoli/Yorvit combo
Napoli is hitting the market
at a great time. Of course, a disappointing 2012 would really hurt his market value, but even then he’d be waayyyyyyyy above average with the bat for a catcher and his reputation as a defender has been salvaged as well. Dude is gonna get paid.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
No
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
HAHAHAHA, click.
— AA.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I dunno
about the value of that, but Toronto needs pitching. They really need starters. You’d probably have to do better because of D’Arnaud’s 6 years of team control, but I doubt AA hangs up without suggesting additional piece(s).
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Toronto just extended Morrow as well
Harrison would fit in very well there as the #3 behind Romero and Morrow. Toronto also has depth behind the plate beyond D’Arnaud
by Baseball North on Jan 24, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think that's bad...
3 years of control of Harrison, who is entering his prime and would slot in as their #3. They had a lot of starts from Brett Cecil, Jo Jo Reyes, and Carlos Villanueva.
That would be a fairly cheap and considerable upgrade for them.
a deal like that
doesn’t deserve a marquee.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I think they ask for another piece
Something very nice but far away (D-Perez, Alfaro) or less shiny but close and still pretty good (Ross, maybe Scheppers?).
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
NO, NOT ROBBIE ROSS.
THAT LOSS WOULD BE FAR TOO MUCH FOR OUR SYSTEM TO OVERCOME.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
It's not like he's Kershaw or anything, you guys
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
I think that was sarcasm, but I could be wrong
by Baseball North on Jan 24, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
The two posts are related
I think (wasn’t it Ross that had the Kershaw stats tossed around?)
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Yeah, I think they'd want a lower level high ceiling piece
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
The acquisition of D'Arnaud would also give Naps something to think about
or at least give the Rangers another viable option for 2013.
by Baseball North on Jan 24, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
I'd tell him
we want him to mentor D’Arnaud but he’s still the starter while pointing out the best way for his bat to last well into his 30s is for him to spend less time catching relatively speaking.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
No
not Alfaro.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Really?
I love the projection, but the SO rate is soooo high, and he’s so far away.
For me, giving up Harrison would be hard. But I’d include Alfaro in a deal for a good, young catcher with 6-years of control left. (Granted, I know nothing about his defense and ability to stay behind the plate, but for these purposes, I’m assuming he’s at least league average.)
Do you think if we trade for Mathis
He’ll have a breakout year with us and hit something like .200?
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Koji's trade value
If the Rangers have determined that Koji truly is so uncomfortable pitching in Texas, living in Texas, whatever that it is negatively affecting his performance on the field then I dont think you worry about his trade value and hold off for something better. Especially if you find a team willing to take his salary right now.
Koji isn’t the type of player that can improve his trade value for us. The only way he could do that is if he pitches well but the team does a faceplant and is horrible. In which case we have a ton more to worry about rather than Koji’s trade value.
if Koji pitches well then we would want to keep him which I believe is everyones hope right now.
But if he continues to struggle then his value only goes down and the likelihood of finding someone to take his salary off our hands goes away most likely. So you are stuck paying 4 million for a 6/7 inning guy who is hurting your team.
Given how hard we went after so many other relievers this winter I have to believe our club doesn’t have confidence in Koji turning it around and so if we find someone willing to take on his salary we pull the trigger even if we dont get back max value for him.
Agreed with the first paragraph.
I didn’t read any more because I decided I didn’t feel like it.
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It was more my current mood than anything meant towards Steve, ftr.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
It was kind of mean of me to post that anyway
Because I didn’t really see anything within that wasn’t salient.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Koji trade
If they are talking to the Jays about a Koji trade, it would make sense to try options for expanding the deal to include some catching. The Jays have it, and they need pitching, which we have.
Like talking to SD about Heath Bell last year and then going after Adams, talking to the Jays about Koji could be in part to talk about catching.
Agree with what you said, but you have to trust the process …
Gosh.
The Felix Hernandez isn’t worth $110M as a 26 year old pitcher because of his career 3.23 road ERA (slightly better than his career 3.26 career home ERA) and because he’s been able to consistently log 200+ innings as a young man is one of my all time favorite crazy arguments.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Jan 24, 2012 10:38 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
It's like when 4chan critiques a picture of a hot girl
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Those breasts are just too perfect, it's gross.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
If I want to have sex with her, then I'm biased
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 11:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
They criticize because they have absolutely no idea about a real live hot girl
So I see what your getting at :)
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
I used to go to the Rate Me threads and give every girl a 10.
Because it actually did not hurt me at all to give people compliments in the midst of insanity.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
'Pitched too many innings at young age, would not give $110 million'
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
It's not only his road ERA but more importantly how hard he was worked in his early 20s.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
His road ERA is actually BETTER.
So, not only is it not ONLY that, it’s NOT THAT AT ALL.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
by K.S.B. on Jan 24, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe we can trade Harrison for Felix.
We could just tell Seattle that Harry hasn’t been ridden nearly so hard early in his career in The Show.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Look.
Someone has to be crazy enough to troll this hard or we’d just have boring baseball talk. Are you willing to step up and be that troll?
Shit… one day Josey’s going to die and we’ll have to audition the likes of bush league guys like SheaWasBettor.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Where is the big problem today?
This is baseball talk…you asked me for a list and you got it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
I think I could step upto the plate
Take one for the team.
Half of y’all don’t like me anyway
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 11:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I noticed he was on LL last night
and pretty much got the same greeting he did here.
by lost in space on Jan 24, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Heh.
Q. Negotiations with the Rangers came down to the wire?
A. I left it all up to my agents. [Arn] Tellem did tell me that he felt negotiations would go well. I heard that they were going to run close to the deadline. I did not really care about the money.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
As long as it was enough.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
When y'all put up 172 comments in less than 30 min.
It makes me think that there’s news
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 11:07 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Josey trolls in so many ways
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 11:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly, I think Josey is more getting trolled today.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
Its like the Colby Lewis rehash argument
There are times when Josey is so horribly and obviously wrong, everyone wants to get in on the fun.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Oh definitely
we’re all giving him a hard time. He deserves it and it’s amusing.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
JW is being the "Egg McMuffin" of internet commenters again.
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
by TargetField on Jan 24, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Just Josey being Josey
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Then you haven't been here long enough.
That my friend is sure sign of a JW sighting.
by lost in space on Jan 24, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
nightengale
Texas Rangers appear out of bidding for Prince Fielder, as decision moves closer.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 11:10 AM CST reply actions
Welp.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
See ya later
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
The ninja moves into the shadows right before he strikes
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 11:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
x
a person close familiar with the nationals, but not authorized to speak publicly, said that talks are accelerating and could conclude today.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
As expected.
It was only going to work if Prince forced it to.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
gooddaaammmnittt.....WTF IANF?
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
It could be a ninja move.. or the nationals are about to get jason werth'd again
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
heh i'm kiddin tho
i never truly believed the Rangers would get him
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Good for them.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
If the Nats go 7 or 8 years+ on Prince Fielder
a year after going that long on Werth, you really have to begin to wonder …
How does a NL club look at that player and see value in paying him $20+M in his age 33-35 seasons?
Here we have a season where the Yanks and Red Sox are showing some level-headed thinking regarding their payrolls and it’s trolls like the Marlins and Nats continuing the insanity.
20+ mil for those ages isn't really that bad
if you believe the player will remain healthy and productive
A lot of guys are FA at 31 or so and usually the first couple years of their deals are decent value.
Its mainly the ages 35+ that make me worry with any extension unless theres a history of injury. Prince doesn’t have that and so I think while 20 mil may be a slight overpay I doubt it will be so bad that it will hurt them if they give him that kind of deal which is why I have been fine from day 1 of this offseason giving Prince 8 years if needed
My assumption
is that in his age 33-35 seasons, he’ll have a raw OPS below .800 b/c the power portion of his game has taken a big hit and since pitchers are less afraid to pitch to him he’ll be getting on base at a much lower %.
I think he’ll be doing well to post slash lines in the neighborhood of .250/.340/.450
And couple that with the fact that he’ll be in the NL and a complete butcher at 1B, and you have my belief that this will be a horrible long term deal for the Nats.
Yes
I think his OBP stays north of 380 for at least the next 7 years
And his slugging stays north of 480 for those same 7 years.
I think floor you are looking at 860 OPS and ceiling is 1000+
How exactly is that optimism?
When the lowest OBP hes posted in the last 5 years in 372
Last three years have all been over 400
His slugging has fluctuated from the 600’s to 471 over that span
Optimism is you thinking a guy coming off a wrist injury is going to see his OBP jump 40 points and his slugging jump almost 50 points and he put up three consecutive years like his short 50 game sample from last year
It's going to be fun watching Mitch fail again at 1B this year.
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
That is the correct response.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Never going to be elite
But I’ve always thought that part of the reason the Rangers have been so adamant (and notice, I said ‘part of the reason’) about not going long on years and dollars for Fielder is that they have faith in a Moreland bounce back. He’s never going to be elite, but if he’s health and doesn’t see many tough lefties, he’s going to hit fine, take his walks and run into a few enough to sustain a good slugging %. He’ll be doing well to be middle of the pack for AL 1B, but they know the injury better than anyone, and I’ve thought for awhile that they must be reasonably comfortable that he can return and be average … and for really cheap
Average may be fine for 2012
But as we lose guys to FA, important guys, we need others to step up and be above average. I doubt Mitch will ever be that and if our 1B cant be above average while our offense from other positions starts dropping we could be in some serious trouble
Moreland coming into his 'prime'
Now, his prime won’t be that amazing, but we should be coming into the best years of Mitch’s career right now. And that said, over the next 2-3 seasons, I could see him averaging an OBP of .375 with a slugging % just under .500.
He’ll never make more than a few million playing for us, so he doesn’t hamper any efforts to secure other players. He’s not great, but he can be a piece of a winning puzzle, for sure.
optimistic, yes ...
… and don’t call me Jesus (kidding)
Looking closer, maybe .375 would be his best year and not an average.
So, let’s call it .360 as the average OBP
And .475 as his peak slugging, with .450 as the average
That’s about an .825 average, with a good chance of a spike/fluke year in there where he gives us his career year.
For this year and two more, we’ll pay him something less than $5M total
Could see this coming a long time ago
but still going to be pouting when Prince doesn’t sign with us.
Stupid writers pulling stories out of their asses.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
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