Heyman: Prince Fielder gets 9 years, $214 million from Tigers
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 24, 2012 2:09 PM CST
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PrintAccording to Jon Heyman, Prince Fielder has agreed to a 9 year deal with the Detroit Tigers worth $214 million.
This is pretty much out of nowhere...until Victor Martinez's injury, there was almost no talk about the Tigers being in on Fielder, and even afterwards, the thought was that they might look at him as a short-term option.
However, Tigers owner Mike Ilitch has paid big for Boras clients with questionable markets in the past (see, e.g., Magglio Ordonez and Pudge Rodriguez), and it looks like, once again, Scott Boras was right and made his client a whole lot of money.
The Rangers, of course, were supposedly interested in Fielder, but only on a shorter-term deal that would involve some "creativity" on the part of Fielder. I would wager that something along the lines of 6 years, $135 million would have been the very most the Rangers would have offered, and it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't even willing to go that high.
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If Josh Hamilton switches agents to Scott Boras, just call off the whole negotiating thing and move the fuck on.
Not worth it.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Shit, then I must be wrong.
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by Aqua on Jan 24, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
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prince will be the first baseman, for anyone asking. cabrera will have to change role. #tigers
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
and Prince is making more than Cabrera.
Maybe that doesn’t matter. Yeah, on some level it matters.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
To what?
3B or OF is laughable.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Time for Miggy to pull a Michael Young
I wonder if it will be seen as “leadership” if he does it.
I will take him
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by Chrom on Jan 24, 2012 2:25 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Det is gonna be throwin' down some legit D.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
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by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2012 2:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yes both
Fielder and Cabrera will probably rock double Ds by June
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by FirebatM3 on Jan 24, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
THIRD BASE! THIRD BASE! THIRD BASE!
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
pls god yes....hilarity will insue
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Wash
this is the one time I want everyone to bunt to the 3B line.
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Heck, Benji would even have a 50/50 shot of making it.
Liverpool has been freed, the Rangers have been freed, now it's time to free the Stars from Tom Hicks.
by Cruztovictory on Jan 24, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Signs you are in the OT threads too much: I thought you were make a benjihana weight joke
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
Probably.
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
Oh man
oh man oh man oh man
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
I ain't miss Cleo but I do see another D.U.I. in Cabrera's future sometime real soon.
Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg
I bleed Ranger black and blue.
Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.
This should be a historically bad defensive infield.
Everyone in the AL Central should start practicing bunting now.
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
Good luck with all that, Tigers pitcher's BABIPs...
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Justin Verlander
is thanking god he’s a strikeout pitcher right about now.
Doug Fister is crying into his cereal.
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Doug Fister's calling his agent right now.
Liverpool has been freed, the Rangers have been freed, now it's time to free the Stars from Tom Hicks.
by Cruztovictory on Jan 24, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Its like have two CCs on each of the corners.
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
Good luck with that.
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
60 Million in 2013 for 3 players
But you can only play 2 each day. LOL Tigerball
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
So Victor Martinez
What the hell happens to him in 2013
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Who is going to trade for a guy making a ton after missing a year with a blown out knee?
They’ll have to give him away.
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Plus he's old
Has little power, a big contract, and no position. Not getting traded for anything of value. Unless…Mets?
Sounds like a perfect player for the Angels.
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
Forget value
They have to eat at least $10 mil of the last 2 years of that deal, right?
Remember when we were told that the Rangers were just thumbing their own asses
because they didn’t give an old guy with limited defensive ability a shit ton of money?
you seen old yeller?
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by FirebatM3 on Jan 24, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
And where is he going to move to?
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At the rate he's going
hopefully into orbit
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They need to replace a 1B who could play 3B if you don't mind terrible defense?
MIKE YOUNG STRAIGHT UP HOSERS.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
I don't want to imagine what will happen when Elvis nears FA
That Boras guy is an evil genius.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 2:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Profar happens
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
I still want to re-sign
Elvis. And I think a SS whose value lies in non-traditional defense and baserunning statistics would have a much smaller market and market value vs. a slugging 1B with traditional power numbers
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I agree on the second count, and I think it's too early to really make a decision on the first.
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
heh this is hilarious
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Thats pretty damn shocking
though at that price I certainly have no problem with the Rangers passing, did not think it would get there.
Well, I’m disappointed but not too broken up about it, the 1b flexibility is a genuine asset (even if Fielder would have been a much bigger one) for this roster.
Silver lining – that MLBInsideNews idiot promised to delete his account if the Nats didn’t sign him.
Probably the first time "Prince Fielder" and "flexibility" have been used together in quite awhile
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by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Meh
I was just aiming for the easy fat joke.
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
How much longer is Nap in Arlington?
I seriously see a push from the Yankees to sign him in 2013.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at First2Third.net
So you ask how much longer hes here
Yet then say you see a push by the Yanks in 2013
So you know hes only here for one year then right?
That's why he doesn't jokingly see a push from the Yankees to sign him in 2013.
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Well...
I believe that Napoli becomes a free agent in 2013. I haven’t verified that, just what I thought. Could Arlington re-sign him, absolutely. Good Team, good ownership, etc. Will Arlington re-sign him? I’d think Ranger fans would say yes. Signing Fielder would have prevented that.
Napoli provides way more flexibility at the 1st base roll and a hell of a lot cheaper then Cecil’s kid.
That’s all I’m saying.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at First2Third.net
I don't think Fielder would have prevented signing Napoli.
I think the nature of how the FO works is to not allow any one signing to have a dramatic impact.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Do you think your Front Office...
would have had the financial flexibility to sign both Fielder and re-sign Naps, Hamilton, and Kinsler?
I know the big TV money doesn’t really go into affect until 2015.
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Victor Martinez really took one for the team...
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:14 PM CST reply actions
My first thought when he went down was, that's good for Prince, bad for the Rangers
my 2nd thought was, naw—they won’t sign him
Someone needs to investigate that knee injury.
It just started seeming Kerrigan-esque.
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35,000 lbs
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Prince turns 28 in May
So he will play his age 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 and 36 seasons under this contract.
Well thats technically wrong
Since he wont turn 37 until 6 weeks into the season of his next contract. he’ll declare FA as a 36 year old
And he'll fall of the cliff at age 29
/JW
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 2:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well then...
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 2:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions
What were we saying?
It only takes one team to say, “Fuck it. Do it.” The Tigers just had the worst money penis boner pop up randomly and without warning.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:15 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You and I were explaining this to Jobu.
Jobu has already admitted that he was wrong about teams learning.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
and Dombrowski is supposedly
one of the smarter GMs. Maybe owner driven?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
That or someone else will deal with the downside when he's rode off into the sunset
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Sign favored son Prince to ridicudollars...
and then trade that bad apple Miguel Cabrera the next year.
Sure, you’re worse off on the field, but hey, he hit dingers at old Tiger Stadium!
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
How the hell did he get 9 years?
9 fucking years? That is… holy shit… that’s bad, man.
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
Bwahahahaha
The Cecil Redux. Such a terrible contract.
Hey Cabrera, we got room at first for you!
by dolphinpuncher on Jan 24, 2012 2:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions
There's no way that DET is going to move Miggy, right?
I mean, they’d get one hell of a haul for him, but no way.
depends if they've even talked to him
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Miggy certainly has had his personal issues.
Perhaps they expect the alcohol problem to not go away.
That’s the only reason I can think of.
Wow.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Royals
Cabrera+Prince+Verlander +VMart > Royal’s payroll
I’m pretty sure. Can’t confirm as mlbcontracts not responding, which means I should tweet it. prolly having a hard time digesting Prince’s contract.
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I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Well at least the good part is that we don't have to feel bad about not signing him
9y/$214M? Seriously, good luck with that.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 2:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Although...
this could be a benchmark for what Hamilton wants and the Rangers can pass on that without a second thought.
Hoping so...
They didn’t seem to be wooed by CJ, so I’m hoping they can stay strong on Hamilton too.
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
The Rangers have been reluctant to give big deals to aging pitchers (Lee and CJ)...
not sure what their stance on hitters. My guess is the Rangers won’t go longer then 4 years for Hamilton but you never know
Yep, that's why it makes me nervous
Especially given the comments by Simpson recently. What are the other outfield bats that would be hitting FA at that time?
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
Good thing about the Rangers is...
they have a lot of trade ammunition so even if they let Hamilton walk they shouldn’t panic. Next years FA is severely lacking in impact bats. Ethier?
Amaro: give up Dom Brown. pretty please?
could trade for miggy...
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
I'd be much more willing to accept a Hamilton extension
if it came paired with extensions for Ian, Naps and/or Holland.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
i wonder what it might take to get parties now?
he could split time between 1st/c/dh in a “nap time” role after he walks this year. also soften the blow when face pays it his contract. if u were willing to take on his full salary right now, it would cost us ….?
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by jacksastud on Jan 24, 2012 2:18 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Damn autocorrect...
parties some how =martinez
"life; The purpose of life is to be as loving as possible, and to ease as much pain and suffering as you can among your fellow humans and other sentient beings."
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by jacksastud on Jan 24, 2012 2:20 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
He blew out his knee
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--iorange555 8/23/2011
And we didn't even want him before that, so...
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
So....
Where do Miggy, Prince and VMart play? This should be fun.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Obviously one will DH, but..
oh let there be one day where Miggy plays 3b, Prince 1b and V-Mart C in 2014. Set some bad D records.
So I didn't wind up sending Fielder to Baltimore, after all?
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D'oit ended up having all that delicious synergy.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I'm sad I largely missed this guy
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I remember you bit
what was that about?
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
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Why did you bother to respond
to someone like that? Was it the synergy?
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Oh. It wasn't obvious to me at first.
He started a conversation about Baltimore, and he was really off-base on some stuff, but it didn’t start out as a terrible exchange. It was obvious by the end. The next time I engaged, it was purely for entertainment purposes. Then I got bored.
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Maybe about Detroit getting Fielder...
Because at the time he sent that tweet, that would have been a delicious rumor.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
not only is the length of that contract ridiculous
the tigers now have the worst infield in the league
MYSTERY TEAM
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Yikes
I’m a little bummed because I’ll have to wait longer to lap up those Angels tears, but DAMN, Detroit.
You done fugged yourselves.
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
The only negative thing that I'm thinking through the uproarious laughter...
is how insane the AL will be next season.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
At least Detroit is almost guaranteed to win the Central now
and wouldn’t be competing for a WC spot… Blue Jays were potentially direct competition for the playoffs
x
jazayerli
The Tigers finally got someone to take the massive contract they offered Juan Gonzalez. This could end almost as badly as that would have.
4th largest AAV ever
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 24, 2012 2:24 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Good luck with...with your...your backend.
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by TheJeezus on Jan 24, 2012 2:22 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
And how much even more better does this make the Darvish signing look?
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it looks genius now
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
So, Yu weighs half as much as Prince and costs half as much?
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
most bettererest
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I'm pretty sure JD can hold his liquor better than any other GM.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
So, the Rangers need maybe a 4 corners guy that can spell moreland
a semi-legit CF, and a lefty reliever.
Seems doable. Any suggestions?
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And Omar would've been a nice get for that, really.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Yes but
CANADIANS live there
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 24, 2012 2:26 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah
I was hoping for Omar too.
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He'd be replacing Andres Blanco
he’d be fine.
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M-O-R-E-L-A-N-D
I’m a shoo-in!
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Koji does pretty well against lefties. I guess the Rangers could use another lefty stopper.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
not even a stopper, but just someone who
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who is decent vs. lefties
Mike Gonzalez maybe
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Koji has a sad about pitching in Texas heat
with unfriendly people hating on him for giving up donger.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Matt Thornton if we're shopping at Saks
Mike Gonzalez if it’s Dillards’.
Kirkman, Mitch Stetter if we’re going homebrew.
Kazmir if we’re going possible bang for the buck.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
I think of those 4
I’m the least concerned with the lefty reliever
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#1 on my list
Then 4C, then UIF, then CF.
But I believe in Gentry to a near-irrational degree.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
I think
mine goes 4C, UIF, CF, lefty. I too believe in Gentry and Leonys Martin. I think Mike Adams and Koji are good enough vs. lefties to make it moot. I think Joe Nathan will be awesome this year.
I want some insurance for Mitch and some more depth for injuries.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
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I agree with pretty much all of this.
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
No need
Prince is off the market…
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
Just about to post the same.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
I still think Adams
Ogando and Nathan will be sufficient to make LH relievers really moot.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
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Don't forget about the great Brad Hawpe
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 24, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I kinda want tos ee
how much matt Murton would want to get another shot in the majors?
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Hits for average, average power, and walks a ton
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4 corners guy
I don’t see that happening. It would mean Hamilton would have to play a lot of center – Murphy would be the only other backup outfielder to Cruz/Gentry/Hamilton.
I think Michael Young or a midseason trade will have to be the fallbacks if Moreland can’t bounce back.
I'm not talking a starting or every-day type
I want insurance, competition for Murphy, and/or someone to complement Murphy’s skills (someone who kills lefties, runs the bases well, and plays strong defense with positional flexibility) in an ideal world.
Basically if Esteban German and Craig Gentry had a baby who could hit for power, that’s ideal.
That, or Nick Swisher.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
That pretty much is Matt Murton
too bad about that extension. What about that guy in Cinncinnati? The guy who plays LF – Chris Helsey?
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No idea about him past what I'd read on Fangraphs
I really can’t think of a specific name (beyond Murton or maybe Byrd) who fits that description and is available.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Nolan Reimold from Baltimore?
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There's a guy.
Wait, how many crappy relievers and failed prospects do we have left to trade to them?
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Koji for Nolan Reimold
and someone else? Who says no?
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Prado is a bit much, probably.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Yeah
you trade for Prado to be a starter.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Josh or Murphy
should really get some time at 1B this spring. I think we can solve the problem internally, but it requires a few guys to move around.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Yea
that went nowhere though.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I'm hoping Face can work more on his 1st base defense.
I was genuinely surprised that he still looked so bad at the easiest defensive position on the diamond last year, even if it was his first year doing it.
That would make the open position DH, and that’s way easier to fill.
What was wrong with last year's collective team offense?
Why not hope for more health and roll with what we did last year?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I am fine with that
but I feel like you’ve previously stated that we shouldn’t roll with the same team as last year.
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
I trade Cruz and think about Matty Ice as well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I agree with that
If Moreland can just get to around a .780 OPS, I’m fine – that offense looks great.
But there’s definitely risk that last year was his true talent level. Hopefully his shoulder was holding him back.
Hope is not a strategy.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
by philkid3 on Jan 24, 2012 3:07 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
And Sarah Palin has a nice rack.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Heh.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
by philkid3 on Jan 24, 2012 3:41 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Easiest defensive position on the diamond?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
it's incredibly hard
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Kazmir on a minor league deal sounds good.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Yu don't want it either
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 24, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Marcus Thames? Is he still alive?
What about Connor Jackson, has he signed somewhere?
Josey has a bounce in his step...looks like it's time to get those Josh Hamilton Extension Talks up and running
because the price isn’t going down now.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
DO NOT WANT
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
of course he is...he wants the Rangers FO to look bad
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
No....we dodged a big fat bullet by not signing Prince.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
If the price just went up for Hamilton...
they should avoid that bullet as well.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
Should have made a better effort to sign him last off-season, goet.
Waiting for the price to go down doesn’t work.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Josh Hamilton has been saying for years that he's not a home team discount guy, Jose...
He’s getting paid so every baseball playing kid can grow up to get paid.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Why should he be a home team discount guy?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Why should we overpay for a guy
That will probably break down in three years?
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
Why should we overpay somebody who has never recorded a big league out?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
What have those guys everdone in The Show?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Are they getting $ 110 million?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
why don't you answer the fucking question instead of blatant trolling?
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
This is what Josey does.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
"Blatant trolling"?
I want the Rangers to sign Josh Hamilton.
I also want them to get going with Napoli, Cobra, Kinz and Tiny E.
The price isn’t going down on them either.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
you answered the question w/ a bullshit question
TROLLING
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I don't think Josh is going to break down in 3 years...feel better?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
haha sure
btw…he’s broken down every year w/ us.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I think Josh will troll the MLB this year
because he likes even-numbered years
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
Didn't he play 160 games in 2008?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
someone needs to suck on the research
yada yada
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I knew somebody would...
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
facts
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Didn't I put a ? in it so to make sure
everybody knew it was a question and not a fact?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
ok here it is JW the list:
08 – 156 games
09 – 89 games
10 – 133 games
11 – 121 games
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
this is why I don't want to extend him for anything ridiculous
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
so Josey....you really still think he won't breakdown
even tho he’s already breaking down?
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I don't view what happened to him in 2010 or 2011 as breaking down.
I don’t think Beltre broke down in 2009 when he got his testicle shot off by a line drive but he still missed what, 40 games?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
fair enough on Beltre...serious question tho....what was Hamilton's injury in 2010?
I’m leery about giving a huge fucking deal to a guy who hasn’t played a full season in 3 yrs.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Crashed into a wall and broke a rib.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
And said he won't change his play style.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And the price isn't going down.
Get it done, JD.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You've never answered my question
Why should we have signed him after 2010 AFTER HIS MVP SEASON yet all of a sudden “the price isn’t going down”?
Were we supposed to get some sort of discount after his MVP season?
If anything his price DID go down due to his season in 2011 in which he again couldn’t stay healthy and his numbers drastically dropped off.
I don't see everything thrown my way, bigsteve.
I think the price would have been lower last off-season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
After he hit .359?!?!?!
And everyone thought he was Superman?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Works about as well here
as it did on 2chan, apparently.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Yes...who would you replace Hamilton with and
how would you go about acquiring this player, bigsteve?
I want names.
Feel free to furnish your list as well, ’Stick.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
So before I address the rest of your comment
You believe it would have been cheaper to sign Josh after his MVP season than right now?
Yes
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
As for your other question
its unique. I think you have to replace his offense but not necessarily at LF.
There are no obvious options out there right now to replace his offense now that Prince is gone. Which is why I was so for signing Prince all winter. I wouldn’t do 9/214 like DET did though.
Dom Brown and Travis Snider are two young guys I would like to explore trading for. I’ll get back to you in the next few days as I think more and more about other options
Beltre had a muscle injury in his ribs that year too.
Was Young breaking down in 2009 at the same age?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
you still can't give a massive deal
to someone who cannot play a full year
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
So...
Hamilton swings at more pitches out of the strike zone than Beltre… swings and misses more than Beltre does… walks almost the exact same amount if you remove intentional walks and plays in less games.
But Beltre is the undisciplined, injury prone guy you shouldn’t sign because it keeps you from keeping C.J. and Josh even though it clearly didn’t.
Got it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Jan 24, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Beltre is the guy who had a
horrific OBP in the prime of his career and now he’s morphed into a Colorado Rockies Dante Bichette kind of hitter that does really well at home but sucks it on the road.
Josh is the guy who hits well in Arlington and on the road.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Your Adrian Beltre hate is ridiculous.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
What was Beltre
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Josey don't hurt me
Don’t hurt me….no more.
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
What was Beltre's OBP from ages
25-29?
What was his road OPS last year before September?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I already showed you the month to month.
How did he put up a 1.000 OPS in April and a .850ish in July if September pitching was the cure?
Why didn’t Michael Young hit will on the road in June and September and October?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Becuase it's a tiny fucking sample size?
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
You will never get an answer to this
Josey’s a liberal pussy at heart
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Was?
WHAT DID YOU DO
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 24, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
almost as bad as his JD hate
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I'm glad JD didn't sign Fielder.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
for that money....yes I am as well
honest question – would you do $140 -7 yrs for Josh?
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I'm torn between 5/105 and 6/126
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You're not gonna get it done with 5 years.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Then why do you even suggest offering it?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 24, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
I said I'm torn...I do 6/126 tomorrow.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
x
You’re not gonna get it done with 5 years.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 24, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you get it done unless its 7 yrs
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Why is this surprising to anyone?
Beltre replaced Young. Nothing he ever does can change that fact. He is and always will be shit to Josey.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
No...Beltre was a great defender last year
and a great hitter at home last year.
His performance in Game 4 of the ALDS was legendary.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
And a great road hitter
In 4 of the 6 months he played.
Michael Young was a great road hitter in 4 of the 7 months he played.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Why are shoehorning Young into this argument?
JD signed him to a 5/80 deal a couple of years before he hit free agency.
We were discussing Beltre and Hamilton.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
No...
We’re showing how flawed your logic is.
You apply different rules depending on how much you like a player. And you don’t like new acquisitions until they make you.
Just like Napoli’s instructions.
Mostly we’re just burning segments because repeating the same stuff showing how incorrect you are is a way for me to kill time.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You could probably save some time by creating a
“Josey response” word document. Canned responses to his normal rhetoric.
Beltre's OPS in April was .835 and if
you consider that “great”, Michael Young (.854 OPS) had a great season…and he didn’t break down.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Beltre's ROAD ops
In April was over 1.000.
He sucked at home that month.
What does that do to your narrative?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So you want to parse Beltre's season
but you don’t want to parse Young’s post-season (where he started 3 for 27 and then went 11 for 28)?
Got it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Here's the difference.
I’m not saying that Young is a “Bichette type” that can only hit at home about the playoffs.
I do not think Young’s playoffs means that he is incapable of hitting in the playoffs. I think it was just the normal ups and downs of hitting.
I also think the SAME THING about Beltre’s down months on the road instead of it being a normal up and down thing and not indicative of what his future performance.
If you’re going to say Beltre can’t hit on the road because of two months dragging down his year in the face of over a decade of success hitting on the road…
Then that logic would seem to say Michael Young can’t hit in the playoffs.
I have never said Michael Young can’t hit in the playoffs.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You realize there's a vast difference`
in the number of post-season at bats that Young had and the number of at bats Beltre had on the road, don’t you?
Surely you do but you’re treating them equally.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Beltre only had two bad months on the road last year.
May and June.
About 140 PA. The other months were all over 800 OPS.
How many did Young get in the playoffs the past two years?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So now it's a two year thing with Young?
I’ll make it easy for you…I won’t criticize Beltre’s ability to hit on the road when he actually hits well on the road.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'll make it easy for you.
I won’t criticize Young’s ability to hit in the playoffs when he does it for a full playoffs…
Or when you quit criticizing Beltre’s road numbers.
But you love the attention…. so who cares.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Go ahead and rip Young's post-season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You have stated Beltre broke down last year.
If Beltre broke down last year, what happened to hamilton? How about in 2010?
That was a fluke with Hamilton...the injury more
concerning was the sports hernia or whatever the hell he had going on…maybe that injury was related to what happened to him in 2009.
Beltre did break down last year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
See above
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I saw...
what Matchst1ck said, yes. He is right.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
See above.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Well
Napoli comes with instructions
Colby is a Japanese retread who won’t be succesful
Andrus isn’t ready to play SS everday.
We don’t need to extend any of those guys.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Welp
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
He didn't say he should.
Holy cow your reading comprehension sucks.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
This isn't a bullet1
this is a 30 ton truck going 2 mph.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
wrong....you do want the FO to look bad
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
We dodged a bullet?
or the FO was smart to not give him 9 years 214 mil?
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
Nope.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
This deal probably won't affect Hamilton's extension at all
But if it did it would significantly lower the odds of the Rangers re-signing him. I don’t know why you’d be happy…unless you are happy because you know you have something to complain about for a couple years.
You're being obtuse.
He’s said all along he wants the Rangers to resign Hamilton.
The Rangers not signing prince dramatically ups the chance of a Hamilton extension.
Bingo.
We don’t have another option…free agent cupboard mostly bare next year and nobody in the system to replace him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Precisely
Two wrongs and all that. A bad decision is a bad decision, regardless of the circumstances.
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
No but the price isn't going down, bigsteve.
That’s why they should have signed him last off-season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
WHY SIGN HIM AT ALL?
In my opinion, signing Josh Hamilton to that kind of contract for that kind of time damages the health of the organization.
WHY WOULD THIS EVER BE A GOOD MOVE?
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Unless the price was already too high then, too.
There is such a thing as a price being too high, right? You agree on that general principle?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
It's only a bullet-dodged if the guy is fat...
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a fat guy and I'm really good at dodge ball...
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Way to go big guy!
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Jan 24, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
False.
The only bat not named Napoli that is going to hit the open market in the next two years comperable to Hamilton is now gone.
This does not mean that the Rangers should sign him to something stupid. But it does, indeed, increase the odds of them signing him to something.
You are better than this Parker.
Signing Prince would have diminished the odds of re-signing Hamilton. Nothing changed today for the Rangers. The odds stayed the same. Think about it.
The odds only stayed the same if you look at the Rangers and Hamilton as a closed set.
If you look at the Rangers options as the universe of available free agents, then the odds absolutely changed.
From the Rangers perspective you see something like:
Big Bat A: Could be Hamilton, Fielder, Kemp, Quentin (just throwing names out there).
That set got smaller with the Kemp extension, and again smaller with the Fielder signing. Assuming the Rangers want to keep the Big Bat A spot filled, then Hamilton is the last remaining option before taking a big downgrade.
Note: I’m not saying that the odds of the Rangers signing a dumb deal have gone up, merely that the odds of the Rangers signing someone to fill that role has stayed the same, with a reduced number of options.
I don't agree with that line of thinking at all.
The Rangers have said they look at every option independently. They will put a price on Hamilton and offer the contract they feel comfortable with. If he says no, he walks.
The odds only would have changed if the Rangers had less money to spend, which obviously isn’t the case based on anything that happened today.
I agree with your methodology, which is why I don't suggest moneywhipping someone just because your options are limited
And while yes, they prefer to weigh things mostly independently, this decision wasn’t one I feel they would.
Most of this board agreed that if Prince signed then Hamilton was gone by default. The same would have been true of Kemp or any other real replacement.
Since none of those signed here, Hamilton is no longer gone by default, thus has an increased chance of signing here.
I do see where you’re coming from, I just don’t think it’s an inclusive enough view.
Where did I ever suggest an action?
Situations and probabilities can change by a changing universe, not just action of the participants
What changed for the Rangers from yesterday to today?
Nothing. They are the same team. One fewer person on the market doesn’t change the the Rangers.
So the disagreement comes down to whether the available pool of free agents has an effect on the Hamilton extension.
I see where you’re coming from with the no, but I’m just going to have to disagree.
It does (potentially) change their upcoming choices, though.
Or are you saying that if Darvish wasn’t going to be posted the Rangers would have handled the CJ Wilson situation the exact same way?
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
Your analogy is backwards
The looming Hamilton extension likely altered the Rangers chances of signing Fielder (although I’d argue the effect was minimal). Similarly, Darvish likely affected the CJ Wilson negotations.
I don’t think passing on CJ affected the Darvish negotations and I don’t think passing on Fielder is going to affect the Hamilton negotiations. I think the chances would have altered if and only if the Rangers would have signed CJ or Prince.
You're misunderstanding my point.
I’m saying that because the Rangers saw Darvish out there, they were less inclined to resign CJ. If Darvish wasn’t out there, they would have been more inclined to keep CJ.
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
Not similar situations.
CJ and Prince signed before Darvish and Hamilton. Use a better example if you want to make a point.
That... doesn't matter to my point?
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
No, you're just completely missing it.
I don’t understand how you can say that nothing external to a team has any effect on what they do. If, for example, Dustin Pedroia and Ian Kinsler were going to be free agents at the same time, and then Boston gave Pedroia an extension, that wouldn’t affect the probability that the Rangers resign Kinsler? That’s… laughable.
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
You also realize that Vast Segments of LSB really, really
wanted Prince to be a Texas Ranger while cutting loose Josh next year.
They’re not getting that…at least the part about Prince…so they’re now going to be very irrational with me – See Ghettobear after Cliff Lee signed with Philly…as though I’m at fault for some reason.
The Ranger FO looks very good in not signing a morbidly obese 300 lbs DH who will fall off a cliff in 4-5 yeares.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Christ, not the "Vast Segments" bit again....
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by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
lololol
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
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Which member of LSB is upset about not topping the Tigers?
Speak up!
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by philkid3 on Jan 24, 2012 2:59 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I wanted Prince over Hamilton too.
I’m also not arguing for a stupid Hamilton signing.
But thanks for tanking this discussion.
everyone wants players
to be signed at a good value price, but go on oversimplifying and misrepresenting.
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Do I need to bring out my KingKongPrick#1 again?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Get a few drinks in ya first to make it more authentic.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Is that how your daydreams start?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Josh is going to get the most
Incentive laden deal in the history of sports. They will send a message that they believe and will pay accordingly but Josh has to live and contribute according to the deal. If Josh wants guaranteed money he will find a better home. I agree, Fielder didn’t change anything.
by corbsclinton on Jan 24, 2012 8:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I want Josh Hamilton to be a Ranger for the next several years.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Japanese people sometimes do that
Maybe Josey’s turning Japanese.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 2:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Then he would have been ecstatic about Yu?
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 24, 2012 2:29 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Nah
he thinks all Japanese are con men.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure he has a great respect for their people, though.
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2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
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That's your fake hip
acting up again.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
bye bye Josh
JD does need to channel his inner ninja though over the next 6-12 months and find a way to inject some youth into this offense.
This looks like a Boras special.
I wonder what the 2nd best offer was. I’m betting it was significantly shorter in both years and AAV.
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Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
I don't think anyone came close...
Nor should they have.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
All Boras needs though is one front office full of dumbasses. If he’s got that, he can work miracles.
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Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
I should get Boras to negotiate my contracts
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 24, 2012 2:30 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Hamilton Market Impact
With the Pujolz, Fielder, Werth, Crawford signings the last 2 seasons… The market for Hamilton is likely 7 yr, $161m. Are you guys willing to do that? Sign him, trade him, or let him walk, which is it?
Oh come on,
I’m sure this won’t be discussed for the next 10 months…at all.
by lost in space on Jan 24, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
Well, it is a brand-new topic that hasn't been beaten squishy already.
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Fuck no, I'm not doing that.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK no.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Mid-season trade, if 2012 is more like 2011
If he (somehow) stays healthy and is producing like crazy, hang on to him but let him walk at the end of the season.
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by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
No one in their right mind wants to give Hamilton 7/161.
Sell it to the DMN commentariat. He walks.
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7 years was really scary to me and 8 was quite incomprehesible
9 years… That just sounds made up.
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Hmm
Joelsherman1
If V-Mart back healthy in ’13, #Tigers could try trading Miggy with 3 yrs, $63M left (2013-15) Bet new #Dodgers owner would be interested
Good thing he said they might trade Miggy.
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And Fielder is a more expense, worse Cabrera substitute...
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
But they are stuck with him
if you had to choose one to go with youd pick Prince.
But then again if you already have Cabrera locked up for a long time you probably wouldn’t go after Prince in the first place.
Detroit did and are now locked into Prince for the forseeable future. trading Cabrera now looks like the best idea in 2013 when VMart comes back given the return you could get for him. it would also open up money to re-up Verlander who expires after 2014.
Maybe he can be Josh's accountability partner
rimshot
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
Oh, I mis-interpreted you, then
But they are stuck with him
if you had to choose one to go with youd pick Prince.
What’d you mean?
Here's the thing.
Cabrera probably gives some surplus value even at 3/$63M, right? But If the team that trades for him is going to have to pay him $21M a year, how much are they going to give up for him in prospects?
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He's worth a LOT more than $21M per year, right?
He’s probably worth at least $9M in basic economic WAR over contract terms (@ $5M/WAR).
That has to be supplemented by the fact that teams will have the ability to add arguably the best hitter in baseball to a basically no-risk contract.
I bet they’d get a haul.
If you think he can keep putting up 7+-WAR seasons from ages 30-32,
then he’s worth a bunch more than $21M. If you think he’s most likely to come in around 5-6 WAR per season over that time, then you’re talking about $7.5M-$25M surplus over three years. (And, of course, none of this considers any off-the-field issues that might be taken into account.)
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We can call it 5.5 - 7WAR if you'd prefer, which is 19.5M - 42M over 3 years
I’m not concerned about the off-the-field issues, but maybe some GM’s will be.
$5M/WAR keeps getting cited, but I'm still going with $4.5-4.75M
until there’s more evidence of the sort of inflation that Cameron & Co. expect.
But regardless: if you buy into the Wang model for trade valuation, and add in playoff payoffs and discount future WAR and such, even $31.5M (which is 6.3 WAR, Cabrera’s average over the last three seasons, time $5M, less $63M) doesn’t give you a huge haul.
Now, that doesn’t mean that with new ownership, the Dodgers’ front office (or some other team) won’t overpay for him. But that contract still has to be considered.
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Discounting future WAR should cancel out discounting the future salary
but I agree with the rest of what you said.
Still… $31.5M excess contract value in addition to the rarity of adding arguably the best bat in baseball to your lineup should bring a fairly sizeable haul.
You don't count both the excess contract value
and adding the best bat in baseball.
The excess contract value is what you hope to get for adding the best bat in baseball. Anything less than break-even and you’re overpaying for the best bat in baseball, right?
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Well, $5M / WAR is linear, right?
I might be thinking about it incorrectly. But, the price of a superstar gets steeper as you get to transcendent bat territory, imo.
Oh no.
Here we go again.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
It's not that saying linear $/WAR is bad
it’s that coming up with a replacement system is very hard. Also, there are good arguments that the market actually reflects linear $/WAR, regardless of what ‘true’ valuation tells us it should be.
It’s…complicated.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Setting this aside, though:
Wang valued a top-10 hitting prospect at $36.5M, right?
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I don't have the link handy,
but that sounds about right. They are quite valuable…much more so than top 10 pitching prospects.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
How many WAR does Pineda rack up
over the next five years?
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22
.
7
6
4
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
22.764
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
So let's just say 17.5 WAR.
At $4.5M/ WAR, that’s $79M.
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(If you don't just use Wang's value.
If you use Wang’s value, then even using the low side of your estimate, Pineda is worth $16.5M more.)
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Yes.
If you’re using the Wang value for Montero, you’re talking a $16.5M value for the Yankees, and that assumes the conservative side of your WAR range.
If Pineda racks up GB’s estimated 23 WAR, add another $20-25M.
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Are you convinced, yet
that Z is a bad GM?
I know it’s early, but he’s made some real head-scratchers.
I'm not certain.
I’d say he seems average, which would be seen as too favorable here and too pessimistic at LL.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
average shouldn't be too favorable
He’s clearly made some good moves. I think the Lee trade was pretty good, even if they don’t completely hit on Smoak.
Yeah,
and the Gutierrez trade.
Chone Figgins didn’t seem like an awful FA pick up, but…
They’ve drafted fairly well.
But then, they traded Brandon Morrow for League and Joherym Chavez, which doesn’t look so good now.
And the bigger issue, why can’t they find more hitters?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
That all leads to average
but I guess if you string together too many cellar dweller finishes, you become a crap GM.
I think he gets fired before he turns it around
Yeah, I judge the Cliff Lee trade with hindsight, I suppose
it seemed at the time that they should have gone for Montero, though
It was a good call at the time
but it didn’t work out well for them. The real blunder of the whole thing though is that they ended up trading Pineda+ for Montero just a year and a half later.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I don't know.
I haven’t been overly impressed, but (for example) I can’t say I wasn’t very high on Justin Smoak…
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DON'T YOU ROUND OFF THAT PRECISE PROJECTION!
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Same issue as a Felix trade.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Probably less uncertainty around performance and injury, but yeah.
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Or think about it this way:
How many teams can actually afford to pay him that? Limited market means…
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Indeed.
And since the Tigers are the one trading him away, take out one more team!
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We should probably put to bed any notion of trying to trade them for Miggy now.
They’re going all-in this season.
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but after this season...
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Bahahahahaha!
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by philkid3 on Jan 24, 2012 2:32 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Fucking Boras.
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Fielder is Gone
Thank God that’s is over with!! All of those rumors for nothing…How many days till spring training?
29 days
until pitchers and catchers report.
by Rangers Fan Mike on Jan 24, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET SOME HITTING IN HERE?!?!?!
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At what point
do we start getting upset about a Josh extension? If it’s 5/100 do we jump and scream and cry?
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The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Doesn't JD have to sign Oswalt first?
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
I want an Ian extension first
I’m not against Josh
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The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Yes, yes, yes.
Kinsler should be first.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
or 3B or DH
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The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
He can be sort of what Young is now
DH with playing time at 2B and maybe another position or 2 if he can be halfway decent elsewhere.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
yes, this sooooo much
If Naps and Kins are extended, there won’t be any need to sign Josh and make the biggest mistake since this Fielder contract
by Baseball North on Jan 24, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
I think Josh, even with his injury history
might be a better bet to age well than Prince
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The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
true, but Josh is 4 years older than Prince
and is wanting a 7 year deal taking him to age 39/40
by Baseball North on Jan 24, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
where do you put he baseline?
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My fear now is that they do something really stupid.
Like 7/$175M.
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fuck everything
Hello, Andre Ethier?!?!?!?!?
by Baseball North on Jan 24, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
No
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I don't see them doing that
I fear it, but I don’t really see it happening.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Well, we were talking baseline fear.
After Simpson’s comment…
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I don't take Simpson's comment too much to heart
He’s saying it’s his personal preference to keep Hamiton over signing Fielder. Ok, I’m sure that doesn’t mean at any price, and I’m also sure that he was well aware what it might take to sign Fielder. I’m also sure that — in the context of that overall discussion — he is willing to listen to the baseball people about what the right price is on both players.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
What about 5 years guaranteed
With years 6-7 contingent on playing a certain # of games in the prior season? AAV something around $18 million?
I don't extend him. Not for any price.
I trade him for a younger outfielder.
by Black Francis on Jan 24, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
That will never happen
and seems unnecessarily harsh. You’re saying if he wants a 5/80 type deal, you’d say no?
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The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I'd say no.
Never ending parade of injuries, that guy.
by Black Francis on Jan 24, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
I am not Francisco Negro but
Jason Heyward.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
why would Atlanta do that
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I don't know.
I don’t follow all the clubs’ farms. You throw in a Rangers prospect and you get a good young player in return. There has to be somebody.
by Black Francis on Jan 24, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
A younger worse OF?
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Id be skeptical and hoping that was one thorough physical with some good contract clauses
but nah probably not panic time.
We don't jump and scream and cry at any kind of semi-reasonable 5-year deal. We get pissed at 6, and ponder burning down buildings at 7.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
We don't feel comfortable with 5, though.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
I'm okay with 5.
At $16-17M AAV. That’s my top.
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Oh, if that's the AAV, ok, I s'pose.
I don’t particularly care for 5/$100M.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
He has trade value
To a team willing to risk it, this guy can run, play defense, and hit a ton. A team will pay something for one year of that, and they’ll pay more if you sweeten the deal.
But giving him a multi-year extension is bad news. He’s always hurt and he’s, what, 31? I don’t want to imagine what he’ll be like at ages 35 and 36. Or even 33. It’s a damn shame because I think we all love the guy, but his time here should be over.
by Black Francis on Jan 24, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
His greatest value is likely to this team
given their place on the win curve, the improving Angels and the low risk high reward value he brings in 2012.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
So you think keeping him is better than trading him
Even with the new, convoluted CBA?
by Black Francis on Jan 24, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yes,
this team could win a WS this year and Hamilton and Napoli could be the bats that power them there [narrative!].
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
I don't care for 5/100, but I'm not going to be upset about it.
We go beyond that in years or AAV…problem
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The winner in all of this?
All Detroit area buffets. Yep, i went with a weight joke.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
JW called Detroit the best FO in baseball
Looks like they couldn’t dodge The Big Fat Bullet.
No.
We were never signing CJ.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Not at 4/48
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Yes the price is going down...
… to ZERO. Close up negotiations now and just move on.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
Everybody do the Michigan rag!
Damn, nine years for Fielder. And the Tigers? Have fun with that contract around 2016-17…
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
wow, I mean fuckin wow
this is unfuckingfathemable. Thank you Detroit and JD for not being Detroit-esque
holy shit!
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
So here's a name for the 4C bench role - Matt Murton
hits lefties well, take walks, plays OF, 1B. Really good in Japan last few years. Might be undervalued. Thoughts?
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The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
crap
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Wasn't that the guy LSB had a hardon for?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
For quite a while, if I am recalling it in a correct manner
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Have to give up for Scott Boras
Best agent in the history of pro sports
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
Wouldn't that make it harder to be an NFL agent, not easier?
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
it's hard to tell a team to spend more money if it's against the rules of the league
Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures.
by kevinkinsler on Jan 24, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Again, wouldn't that make being an NFL agent harder?
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
I don't think so
Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures.
by kevinkinsler on Jan 24, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
So it's easier to get a piece of a limited money pie than (technically) unlimited?
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
It's easier in the NFL because the rules in place create a more even playing field on the FO
you don’t have to have be as cunning to work the system, because the opportunities are more limited
Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures.
by kevinkinsler on Jan 24, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
More limited opportunities would also seem to imply that it's harder...
Generally more opportunities are better…
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
if you go to a restaurant and the menu has three items
it’s going to be easier to find the better value rather than going to Cheesecake Factory
Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures.
by kevinkinsler on Jan 24, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
As an agent, you're not buying, you're selling.
Very different.
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
Hard to argue.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
9 years is a long time, but it's not nearly as long as the number of years this news will be hilarious for.
by dolphinpuncher on Jan 24, 2012 2:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
x
Fred Hartsook @fredhartsook
If Prince Fielder plays all 162 games of his 9-yr contract, he’ll be paid $146,776.41 per game, or $16,308.49 per inning. #Tigers #MLB
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
He's going on a diet?
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I kind of see the reason for doing these
but it’s pretty meaningless to me. I am fine with $214M. That is sufficiently hilarious.
I remember when the Seattle Times had a website you could go to with tons and tons of these numbers for A-Rod when he signed with the Rangers...
It had “A-Fraud” in the title and a picture of A-Rod with money signs over his eyes and you could put in your own salary and see how many seconds it would take A-Rod to make what you made in a year.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
4th largest contract evah baby
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 2:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd save that per inning number until we see how often he DH's
No credit for sitting on the bench for 5 innings a game.
pitchers park
Have fun hitting in Comerica, Prince. Could have hit 50 HRs a year at RBiA
by das06h on Jan 24, 2012 2:40 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I'll bet the "pffft!" coming from JD's office could be heard in fuckin' Fort Worth
when Boras called back to hear the Rangers’ counter-offer to Detroit.
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
He'll laugh all the way to the bank, as they say.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Tigers fans on Bless You Boys
are excited. Genuinely excited. No real angst over 9 years. Wow!!!
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 24, 2012 2:41 PM CST reply actions
We saw how the Angels fans acted upon hearing about Pujols contract.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 2:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Angels didn't have Miguel Cabrera already at 1B
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Det fans probably think Miggy can play 3rd
When they realize they’ve got the worst IF in the game though…
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 2:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh...I thought he meant "Drinking"
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Jan 24, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 11 recs
Would have rec'ed but can't on mobile
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 3:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i'll put an extra 1 in for you
May you never forget what is worth remembering or remember what is best forgotten. " - Irish Toast.
More like trips over his pants leg and collapses.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I'm missing something. Why can't Miggy dh with Victor out?
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Too much free time.
Might chug 40s out back.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
maybe they have the Phillies' philosophy
of going for it for the next 3/4 years and then accepting the massive periods of sucking
by Baseball North on Jan 24, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Well I'd probably be excited against my better judgement if the Rangers gave it to him
its a bad deal but its January 24th and their team did get significantly better. Gonna get ugly though obviously.
Exactly
it’s probably an elephant in the room, kind of thing.
JBI would come on here and wail, but the rest of us would be rosterbating for 2012
I'd be pretty mad if the Rangers made this deal...
and the Rangers don’t even have Miguel Cabrera or the corpse of Victor Martinez.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
But maybe a little excited at first?
I think most would put years 6-9 out of their mind and be excited now. I’ve thought about this a lot with the Pujols deal and the lack of angst over the years at HH. I’ve concluded that while I think they are generally irrational over there the reaction probably would have been similar here for most of us if we signed Pujols. I’m sure it is the same with Prince. This is a general statement however so don’t think I’m saying every LSB’er would be excited.
by elchicodelgado on Jan 24, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
I would be excited for 2012, I guess...
but I would bitch instantly about what a shitty, awful deal the Rangers had just made.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think I would first be upset
Then immediately be ridiculously excited and start justifying it by “JD knows what he’s doing… inflating contracts …. tv revenue… yada yada”
I would have done that rationalizing for a six or seven year deal, maybe...
this crazy shit the Tigers pulled? No way. There’s no justification for it and the Tigers an even worse fit than the Rangers would have been.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Especially
Because this is Hicks/ARod all over again. The Tigers really believed that if they offered the same dollars per year at 8 years Fielder wouldn’t have taken it? There’s a good chance 7 years, $166 mil would have still been the highest offer. They added at least 1 year, probably 2 for no good reason.
I think the value ended up about right
But there’s still not a good reason to offer a bigger contract than you have to.
it may have been good
But if we could have gotten him for 10/210 instead of 10/252? Then its even better
I get it.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
by philkid3 on Jan 24, 2012 3:49 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Fielder is a super athlete at a super premium position just hitting his mid-20s and almost the best player in baseball?
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
by philkid3 on Jan 24, 2012 3:48 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
No kidding. At least in Arlington
he would have kept more value after bing moved to DH. But in Detroit his value plummets swinging for the fences in the cavern of Commerica. What was Dmbroski thinking!!!!
by RQ on Jan 24, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
That's why this is a good day for the Texas Rangers.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Yep.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Well it's like buying a new car/house you can't afford.
You love it until you start making the payments.
by lost in space on Jan 24, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Some probably thought the Rangers fans were being irrationally happy about signing a pitcher who has never thrown a state-side pitch to a $100 million contract.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
lol @ bless you boys (Tigers SBN)
They have no clue what they are going to do.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 2:42 PM CST reply actions
I read that they were excited...
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
they are excited but dont know what the F to think
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Everyone gets excited about a shiny new toy
Even the ones made with lead paint
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
that's the kind that tastes the best
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
It is Detroit after all
Their beer bottles are probably painted with lead
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 24, 2012 2:44 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I like the Olney tweets in the previous story
“Interesting SPECULATION from a club VP: If Fielder takes 1-yr deal, DET would be great fit. Could use insurance $ from Victor to sign him.”
Yes, a 1 year deal would have been good.
So glad we passed on Prince
That contract is crazy talk.
Pujols contract still worse...
… but this is AT LEAST two years and probably $50 million more than Washington offered.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
Then you have to factor in how old pujols actually is
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 24, 2012 2:46 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Not according to the 38 year-old Octavio Dotel
He says they played in little league together which would put him at 35-36 on the young side?
Where did Dotel say that?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I'm not sure that it is
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Upgrade
jaysonst
Who plays 1B in Detroit? Baseball Info Solutions rated Prince the 6th worst regular 1B in baseball last year & Cabrera the 4th worst.
Cabrera for most hilarious third baseman of all time...
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Past a Firmly Planted In the Ground Miguel Cabrera
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
all that infield needs is Face at 2nd or SS
and it would be the greatest (or worst) infield of all time
by Baseball North on Jan 24, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, they've already got Peralta at SS
So Face at 2nd = worst IF defense EVER
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 2:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Past a sedimentry Miguel Cabrera
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Oh I do
Miguel Cabrera will get so fat that he will actually give off fat emboli like a atherosclerotic plaque. In the future, vascular surgeons and neurologists will officially classify sports-induced strokes as a diagnosis and will name it the Miguel Cabrera disease – for that famous incident in 2013 where the Texas Rangers batted around against the Tigers in Game 5 of the ALCS – with every player hitting a ball past Miguel Cabrera. It led to the death of 3000 Tigers fans. Very tragic
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
by FirebatM3 on Jan 24, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Past a "Nah, I'm only buzzing, I've only had a few" Miguel Cabrera
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
so they're improving their first base defense!
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
Holy mother of god...
This is not what I expected. Good luck with that, Detroit.
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
What?!?
I went into a meeting at 2 with no one even mentioning DET and…$214M?
Wow, I’m so glad the Rangers weren’t in on that kind of deal.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
You think Boras went around to the Nats and Rangers one last time after Detroit made that offer?
Boras: “Jon, I’ve got Detroit on the line for ni-…. Jon?”
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
"Jon...Jon, I...Jon I can't hear you over all that laughter in the background..."
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
And that's when
JD called Dave Dumbrowski about a Miguel Cabrera trade.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
No, I think he said yes
as soon as the words left Dombrowski’s mouth before he came to his senses.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
x
Dombrowski: “Here is my offer, 9 years, $214 mil.”
Boras: “…..Pardon me but I am getting kind of old and hard of hearing. Did you say 9 years, $214 mil?”
Dumbrowski: “Yes, 9 years. $214 mil.”
Boras: “YES! This is going to be a great situation for Prince and the Tigers. Lets make it official right now.”
Does not compute. Does not compute
Error. Error.
x
BonnieBernstein Bonnie Bernstein
In 1993, #Tigers made Cecil Fielder MLB’s highest paid player w 5 yr, $36 mil deal. Today they give his son 9 yrs, $214 mil.
I'm having a hard time digesting this.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
.
beckjason Jason Beck
Source says #Tigers approached Miguel Cabrera about Prince Fielder move. He was on board with it. So no Hanley comparisons, please.
Yes
Cabrera wishes he was athletic as Hanley Ramirez
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
What? We sign Fielder?
Si Si, no problemo. I go to third, Prince go to first. Everything just fine.
And then the hell breaks loose in the IF…
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 2:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
By hell
you mean hilarity right?
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
just watch the highlights
and cue up yakety sax.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Yeah, for us
For them, just hell
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 24, 2012 3:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wow, rly.. Detroit? when you already have Miggy? LOL
"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)
Goldstein has said that his "juicy rumor"
was not Fielder to the Tigers.
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
Kershaw to the Rangers.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
come on, so uncalled for
almost fell off my chair
by Baseball North on Jan 24, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Can somebody ask him what division is involved?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
I think this has broken baseball prospectus.
I haven’t been able to load it just before the Prince deal.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Hrmph.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
One of their guys tweeted that it's a database issue.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Fuck it, go get Butler
not with Perez, but go get him anyways.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Billy Butler is not very good
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Better than Moreland though wouldn't you agree?
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Not for the cost
no
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Butler more of a DH than a 1B.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
But Mitch Moreland is dog shit with a 1B glove.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
This is a gross overreaction.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Butler isn't much better is he?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
doo doo
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 24, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Billy Butler
doesn’t even bother to bring the glove. Dude is alergic to leather.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Mitch is a decent fielder at 1st
Better than Naps or MY.
Personally I think Mitch will have a breakout year.
Of course you do.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Seriously
I think Mitch puts up about a .280 avg and hits 30 hr
How much would you wager on this?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Like this year?
I will bet everything I own that he won’t
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
Your virginity's not worth squat to Aircooled.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
With good health, I could see Moreland hitting 25 bombs (500 plate appearances).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
i agree...when he came up and before he got hurt they said at midseason
he had played 134 games with 20 hr..could develop very nicely
John Danks?
No. He’s easily at top 20 prospect.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Danks is very different from the rest of that list.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
But he does still get overrated.
There is some unresolved angst over Danks that makes him seem better than he really is.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think Danks, if healthy,
will be a similar pitcher to Yu Darvish or CJ Wilson next year.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
You're proving Jobu's point.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Danks has had 2 4+ WAR seasons,
Butler and Jones have had 0.
Last year, he might have hit the 4WAR mark again if not for injuries.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Because that one is driven by AJM himself.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Danks is like that girl
you never asked out in high school. You’re just sure she would have been awesome with you… but you just. don’t. know.
"I would have shot myself in the foot to stay in Texas." -- C.J. Wilson, 12/8/2011
Yeah, I wouldn't be all that excited about him
he’s just ok and the price would likely be too high.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
You know who I feel bad for?
Nationals fans. They were really excited and it really seemed like they had a shot.
We wanted Prince too… but we knew our FO was smart enough not to do something like this. We were only going to get Prince on our terms (same with Hamilton)… but at least we have Darvish to fall back on and keep us warm at night.
Sorry Nationals fans… we had that feel last year with Cliff.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm sure both of them are really upset
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Natinals
have Zimmerman that they need to extend. They should be fine.
Rendon will eventually play 1st for them anyways
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Nationals fans are Redskins fans.
Fuck them.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 24, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Zimmerman had a negative UZR last year
Anyone heard anything on his defense? Just a fluke number as UZR sometimes gives or any reason to think his defense has declined?
I don't care about Nationals fans...
and their wants and desires.
I am happy that they’re sad.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
I guess it's because of the twitter search I did.
And so many of them were so hoppy-cited about getting Prince.
Rug pulled out by a mystery team. I think if he went here they would have understood… but the sneak attack from the Tigers was a Philles gut punch.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
But they're a bunch of fans of a National League baseball team...
them being sad is just another thing to be glad about in this.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Good point
Anybody intelligent enough to appreciate non-Yankees/Angels baseball should get some props.
I retract my snarkery from above.
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
-5 to Wildcat
for clicking Reply to the wrong post.
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by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
I think the Nats are better off
putting Morse at 1B and pursuing OF help.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
DKnobler DKnobler
Expect the Tigers to play Prince every day at 1B, and to move Cabrera to 3B. And don’t be surprised if he’s better there than you think.
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
*2007 you mean
In 2007 he was probably lighter, but I think he was at his heaviest in 2006 in Miami. He looked pretty bad for a while there before losing weight.
Oh man
they should raise their IF and put a fulcrum in the middle and have fans guess which side of their IF weights more
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Peralta to 2B
Jeter to Detroit in 2013 for Justin Verlander, straight up.
Make it happen, Tiggers.
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by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
wooooah
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
hahah, that's awesome
they better hope all their pitchers become extreme flyballers
by Baseball North on Jan 24, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
I can't see this lasting all season.
I would think somebody would hold an intervention for them right?
For some reason the Hindenburg is the first thing that comes to mind with miggy at 3b
so it wouldn’t take much for him to be better than I think.
I'm sure he'll make one awesome play at 3B
and it’ll be up for ESPN’s web gem of the year
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSss!
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by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Well we didn't get Fielder,
but we get Miggy at 3B…I guess that a decent trade off.
by lost in space on Jan 24, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Better than you think...
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by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 24, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Why you gotta be like that, mang?
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by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
hf45 gonna hf45
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
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OH LIKE NOBODY ELSE MAKES FUN OF MY
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by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 24, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
You just have a knack for posting pictures/gifs of the rangers losing in the WS
or the Angels or some other gut punch moment.
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
t
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KILL IT W/ FIRE
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dat knobler
I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's taste in music or people who like Nickelback.
SEX KNOBLER
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by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 24, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
I won't be surprised. I'll be stunned.
Liverpool has been freed, the Rangers have been freed, now it's time to free the Stars from Tom Hicks.
by Cruztovictory on Jan 24, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
He couldn't be worse there than I think, so better is a good bet.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Interesting. I suppose this could be true. I *think* Miggy will be the worst defensive 3B in baseball next year.
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Mark Reynolds will give it his best though.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No doubt.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Some would say that Mark Reynold has blown away their expectations so far.
Perhaps Mr. Knobler is one of them.
by Giant Space Ants on Jan 24, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Let's not debate semantics.
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Something for Nothing
Draft picks are nice, but prospects are better. Next year will likely be the 3rd year in a row the Rangers will lose a major asset, Lee, Wilson, and soon Hamilton. It is tough for contenders in a race to move key players, but how long can you keep losing quality for nothing?
wat
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
Is this a fucking fortune cookie or some stupid shit?
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2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
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by vfn on Jan 24, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Adrian Beltre, Yu Darvish, X
Basic fans get caught up too much in the big names anyways. The biggest year over year improvements that the Rangers got were from Kinsler having a breakout (healthy) year at 2B and the Napoli trade.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
This
this is why I’m in favor of bringing in guys like Charlie Blackmon or Adam Loewen – guys who fit a semi-need with some decent upside.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Yes.
There was something that felt too…easy?…about the Prince lust. Sure, the Rangers would be better if they signed the best FA every year, but eventually it would catch up to them even with $TV.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Edwin Encarnacion
may be on that list too. Maybe Travis Snider if the Jays are actually dumb enough to put him on the market.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Ooh, Snider,
that’s a name I didn’t think would be available.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Their OF
Thames/Rasmus/Bautista
Unless he plays 1B, where is the room for Snider?
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Wise to assume none of those guys gets hurt?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
I think
if they’re keeping Snider as depth, they’re already doing it wrong. Rajai Davis is what you use for Depth, not Travis Snider
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Hrmmm
I just don’t know.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
LF isn't set.
Thames and Snider will fight over that gig.
by LiamP on Jan 24, 2012 3:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Chase Headley
too, as we’ve already discussed.
I also would probably go to the Reds and see what they’d want for Ryan Hannigah – with the idea of more 1B time for Naps
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Yeah,
shame this ruins the Morse trade scenarios.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
I am not a huge believer in Morse
but yeah, he’s another one of those guys.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Well... the best part...
The Rangers were only willing to sign him if he wasn’t a bad deal.
And I think they had a legitimate shot until V-Mart’s ACL caused Tigers panic.
I’m fine with the Rangers making as many smart deals as they can.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yes,
that’s the other thing, the Rangers haven’t ended up with no $20M guys on the roster because they didn’t pursue those guys. They look into everybody and pursue many targets across the spectrum…but they do so on their terms.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
"Draft picks are nice, but prospects are better."
Ummm… draft picks=prospects, numbnuts.
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
Its a good thing that the Rangers have a top 5 farm then.
And signed Beltre/Darvish to make up for their losses the last two years.
No, the Rangers shouldn't trade Josh Hamilton...
They’re trying to win the World Series.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
No, it's time to blow this team up...
We need prospects, not good MLB players!
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
Young Prince Fielder...
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
by e2drummer on Jan 24, 2012 3:02 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
He shares a likeness with the world's newest crazy dictator
If you’re allowed to comp a black man with a Korean
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
I was just about to post this...
Cubs zoobaz that is so awesome.
Alan Trammell looks sad.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 24, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Tigers, Giants, Cubs...
no wonder he couldn’t make up his mind.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
daaamn
"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)
by pinoyintegrity on Jan 24, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Is that a young Michael Strahan?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 24, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
so fucking awesome
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
look at those busted ass Jordans
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Still throws that way....
That’s why he is the 6th worst 1st Baseman in MLB!!!!! Glad The Rangers did pay anything near $150 million!!!! Go Rangers
Cubs pants, Giants shirt, Detroit hat.
Nice.
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Reply fail or just wanted to start a new thread?
Or is this a Michael Young comment?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Part joke, but I actually said this
to see if anybody wanted to dispute that he actually did play SS in the majors. Because apparently that he did is not obviously discernible from the internet.
Sure, third base is a stationary object,
but can he field it very well? I vote no…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
he failed playing 3b
like 80 pounds ago, but I am sure he will get in the best shape of his life and handle 3b great!
I hate Detroit's ballpark, Comerica Park.. but now I hate Detroit even more
"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)
I hate Detroit
I know, I’m breaking some new ground
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 3:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
AJM and EG on twitter.. LOL
get em AjongM
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 3:10 PM CST reply actions
ha
I go out for a couple hours and this happens. wow detroit just went crazy.
At least I’m glad this is a deal I would have never done. I was worried about seeing a deal that the Nationals would give and thinking that the Rangers should have offered that, much like CJ, but I can live with this.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
and I still don't want to extend Hamilton
no thanks
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
The defense is obviously an issue, as are the financial implications.
But oh man…. Miggy with Prince protection. Yikes
And then the Tigers trade Miggy the next season...
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
And then the Tigers trade VMart the next season...
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
And then they lose 110 games
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 3:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder...
If JD called Dombrowski today and said ‘Hamilton and Olt for Miggy’ how long to conversation would last.
And if JD would be prank calling, as well.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Dannng....
Honestly? I might be crazy, but that deal can almost work for both sides if you are ignoring team loyalty to their superstars.
Rangers probably need to give a bit more
But if those are the main pieces, I’d think about if I’m Detroit, at least
Yeah, I was actually thinking the same thing.
Olt probably doesn’t have quite high enough of a ceiling and isn’t quite close enough, but…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeesh.
No, I don’t think I could. He’s still very expensive [and that would necessitate extending Kinsler].
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
I know. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Protection is a myth
Perhaps a few less walks, but walks arn’t a bad thing.
They will be a great 1-2 offensive punch though of course. Now, Prince in 2017-2020 with 0 defensive value…
Yes,
and even if you did believe it, what was VMart last year?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
that’s another thing. VMart was a pretty good hitter last year. .850 OPS, 2.9 WAR as a DH. The Tigers are spending like $24 million to top that by a win or two and move Cabrera to third base. What?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure it's a net gain for them.
Considering Fielder’s defense and Miggy’s defense at 3B.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And how will Fielder fair with half his games coming in Comerica?
This could end up being incredible.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
The paritcular thing about that...
Is that GB’s article showing how much his value is dependent on home runs… what’s the LHB HR factor for Comerica? Horrible right?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
StatCorner is lagging.
I’m not sure.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
LHB/RHB
HR: 88 / 108
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Holy shit.
Going from Millers Park to Comerica…
35 HR will be hard for him.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah,
that’s pretty damn stunning.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
What was Miller's... like 110 or something?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
118
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Mother of god.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
~30% less HR at home....
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
18 HR at Miller's Park...
Turns into 13.4 HR at Comerica.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Wow, they are so going to regret this when
Dombrowski sails off into the sunset.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Why not just sign Aramis Ramirez?
I mean, I don’t love the guy going forward, but…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
A non-elite DH?
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Olney and Starks expect an opt out in the contract.
Would you have done this deal if he could opt out in 3 years?
no fucking way
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
There's no opt out...
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
Confirmed Prince Fielder has NO OPT OUT….9 yrs $214m
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
Like he would opt out...
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely not.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
A player opt out
Does not make a deal better.
Exactly. If he is sucking and not worth the contract
how does having a player opt out improve matters?
And he isn't going to opt out if he doesn't suck either
The point is that a player opt out changes nothing.
Who knows
CC opted out after not sucking
ARod opted out after not sucking
If he could opt out and get another 7-9 year deal why wouldn’t he? In 3-4 years you could have teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Dodgers, all looking for 1B.
This is a pretty specialized case...
Someone who has the chance the Prince does to fall off a cliff after 3-4 years…. I’d be desperately hoping for him to have a monster 3 years and take an opt out rather than play out a 9 year deal.
There is no way he'd opt out after 3 years.
Even if he won back to back to back MVPs.
People are too worried about his weight…
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
thats why I'd be desperately hoping it
I’d still view it as a positive to have an opt out for the possibility you get out of the bad part of the contract…. even if its a very small chance.
Wouldn’t sign him to the contract banking on it though of course.
If you're desperately hoping for it... Scott Boras isn't going to do it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm just saying that you're taking on the risk and it's unlikely to be to your benefit.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Risk of a player opt out?
Whats the risk? If somehow he gets the feeling the Dodgers or whatever would beat the remaining 6 years (theoretically with a 3 year opt out), then you lose Fielder while hes still looking good… but ultimately for the better since you escape the bad part of the deal and just got 3 prime years at about his worth which is tough to do in FA for bats.
If he wouldn’t take the opt out, as is likely, then… it didnt hurt anything?
Again, Im not saying Id sign him for a big deal just because there was a player opt out that could get out of it…. but with a guy like Prince I wouldn’t view it as a big negative to have it in there even if its supposedly a favor to Prince/Boras not for the team.
I argued this with AJM awhile back
In theory, Prince only opts out if he thinks another team will give him a a larger contract than he has left with the Tigers.
At that point, it’s advantageous for the Tigers to just trade him to that team.
So ultimately, you are limiting the reward of the contract
Because if Prince ends up giving you 8 WAR per season (somehow), you won’t benefit as much from this surprise upside.
I think that I’d prefer to have the opt-out in there, personally. Especially, if you are cognizant of the fact that you’re giving out a bad contract.
(a) There’s a chance Prince THINKS he is worth more and opts out foolishly.
(b) You know what you’re getting with Prince—he won’t become an 8-WAR player. There might be some tiny chance up upside that you are allowing the player to opt out of,
but imo, when you sign contracts in the upper echelon of contracts, like this, there isn’t much risk in providing the opt-out.
The only thing Id worry about is
if after 3 great years the front office yielded to public pressure to keep him and gave him an extra year ala CC or something.
But I’d trust JD not to do that.
The trading point is a good one.
If Prince would really opt out after 3 years and somehow get even more guaranteed money, his contract should have some trade value.
Any point where both the team and the player would want out of the contract, having the option to trade them is better than an opt out. (Of course, this assumes there isn’t a no trade clause in the deal).
but his height is
"If I had connections and knew I would have to start out doing scenes with dudes, I think I would give porno a serious shot." by River Fenix on Sep 23, 2011 10:44 AM CDT
by thedudeabides on Jan 24, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
It took this long and a panic move by the Tigers to do it.
No guarantees he’d get it again in three years.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
In 3 years the market for 1B could be much more wide open
As has been proven all it takes is one team and no matter how much we all say they shouldn’t or he wont they usually end up doing these crazy deals
Considering there's no way in hell he'd opt out...
No.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Highly doubtful.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I think this is going to be like the rangers A-rod deal (overpay vs market)
I would be curious to hear what the next highest offer was
"If I had connections and knew I would have to start out doing scenes with dudes, I think I would give porno a serious shot." by River Fenix on Sep 23, 2011 10:44 AM CDT
perhaps in a sense
I was referring to the rangers offering 50-70+M more than anyone else according to published reports
"If I had connections and knew I would have to start out doing scenes with dudes, I think I would give porno a serious shot." by River Fenix on Sep 23, 2011 10:44 AM CDT
by thedudeabides on Jan 24, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
So, you're saying he has warning track power.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
I kind of miss having Joaquin Arias, you guys.
It was just so perfect a throw-in for ridiculous trade proposals. And, man, does that guy look like a cockroach. He was so useful, just not in the baseball sense.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I'm dead serious.
I miss his sweet smile.
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Omar Poveda
Was my default throw in prospect in any trade.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Rangers will try to go MORE Cuban than Mark Cuban.
Since they are eventually changing rules, maybe we should just spend what Hamilton wants on Cespedes, Solar and the Concepcion. Then take our chances. :-)
Anyway, with Olt learning first he can start there in a couple years and then move back over to third when the Beltre contract expires. Or he can just stay at first depending on what each market looks like then or how close our prospects are.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
I can't get a feel on how scouts have felt about Cespedes
but he could be a great source of cheap talent if the Rangers feel he’s worth it.
UHHHHHHHHHHH
Peter Gammons @pgammo
Joey Votto will love L.A.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
PLEASE MEAN THE DODGERS
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
He does.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Damn right.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
The Angels already have like 10 1B/DH types...
So, going by what we learned today, of course he means the Angels.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's really such a foregone conclusion
that the Dodgers will snap up the most expensive player on the FA market in 2 years?
Some people thought there was an outside chance
that they could work something out with Prince this year.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
I know
I am referring to these rumors, or the “trade Miggy to Dodgers” rumors, or the Gammo rumors. I just don’t understand how everybody is so sure of it all
I dunno,
2 years is a long time from now.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
They don't have an owner in place
They have no idea if the owner has money or if the owner wants to spend that money
Fake but still funny:
#Detroit GM says he didn’t offer 10 years to Prince Fielder “…because that would just be stupid!” #fielder #tigers #mlb
— DFW Sports Beat (@DFW_SportsBeat) January 24, 2012
LOL
"You want to give me poo poo?" - Josh Lewin 7/1/2009
by TXRangersFan on Jan 24, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
AHAHAHAAHA!!!!
Yeah….THAT would be stupid…BWAHAHAHA!!!!
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 24, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
So, the slowest team in baseball
just signed maybe the fattest player in baseball. That is going to be one miserable defensive/baserunning team.
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
Cordero, not Crisp, yes?
There dies the Koji trade…
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Yeah
for a team like the Jays, it’s not so much about need as it is about value.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I think the Koji trade would be money-influenced.
Now that they don’t need the money this year to sign Prince, they might not make the trade.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Also
Blue Jays To Sign Francisco Cordero
by Ben Nicholson-Smith
The Blue Jays agreed to sign Francisco Cordero to a one-year, $4.5MM contract, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Shit.
I just realized that’s what this whole subthread was about.
Z’ing too fast.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Nah, still relevant
I don’t know that I can see the Jays paying 4+ MM for a sixth/seventh guy.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
I actually assumed you were pointing out the money aspect
as he’s basically making what Koji is.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Oswalt's still out there, I guess
But all that does is make someone more tradable, and I don’t know how much more I trust Oswalt over, say, Feldman (in reality) or Neil Ramirez (in my bonerific dreams) right now.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Josey, 5 or 6 years isn't gonna get it done for Josh
he’s explicityly said that he wants fair market and he’ll want 7 yrs for sure
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I'd offer him 6/126 right now and make him turn it down.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Sad part is...you're serious....
$21 mil for Josh? Come on, JW….
The most I’d go on Josh is 5 years….I don’t think 6 years is going to do it for Josh…someone just gave Fielder 9 years….I can see some team going stupid and giving Josh 7 or 8.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 24, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, 6 years...if you're truly serious about wanting him to stay.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
thats alot of cheddah
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
What scares me most about your proposal is that
Josh might just go ahead and accept it.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 24, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
We just spent $ 110 million on a pitcher who has yet to record an out in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 24, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
he would be foolish to turn it down
and you would be foolish to offer it to him
by RangerMad on Jan 24, 2012 10:51 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Forget OBP, OPS and ERA
the Tigers now lead MLB in BMI.
I feel bad for Napoli.
It’s going to suck when Prince bowls him over as Cruz throws him out.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
They have Avila
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
If they keep V-Mart
I don’t see what they’d do with him.
They have Avila, V-Mart, Prince & Miggy.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
MIGGY TO LF!
PRINCE TO 3B!
NAPOLI TO 1B!
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Nah,
maybe Boston, though.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Nope.
Dodgers in 2013
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Yankees...
Or Red Sox. Napoli will get a big contract.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at First2Third.net
So
My favorite part of all of this is that not only do the Tigers now have, fat, slow IF, but they also have a pair of slow as molasses corner OF to go with them. So when that ball gets by Fielder and Cabrera, it’s not like Boesch or Young are fast enough to make a fast recovery and hold them to 1 or even 2 bases. Add in a good deal of foul territory, and it’s just hilarity waiting to happen.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
They've got speed in CF though.
And he is unbelievably quick walking from home plate back to the dugout after striking out. [Joke stolen from Goldstein]
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
honestly
next year vs. the Tigers, teams might very well hit a ball past a bottom 3 fielder, have it picked up by another bottom 3 fielder, and then have it thrown in to the relay man, who is also a bottom 3 fielder. Awesome
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Yes,
but they may hit well enough that it won’t matter.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Oh they'll be very good.
But they paid a tremendous sum of money for a potential marginal improvement.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Indeed.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
you think Prince will be that much of an upgrade to V-Mart? Or that Avila won’t regress? Or Peralta won]’t regress?
Their lineup right now is
C Avila
1B Fielder
2B That Fuck
SS Peralta
3B Lol Cabrera
LF Young
CF Jackson
RF Boesch
I see that as a huge mix of mediocrity, genuine awesomeness and regression candidates.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I'm not saying that they are going to hit a ton better than last year,
because VMart was pretty decent for them, but they are still going to be a very good offense.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think they can take the Central pretty easily.
I don’t think they were as good as a 95 win team last year… that was several people playing fantastically.
But they’ll still make the playoffs and if you do that… you’ve got a chance.
I see 92ish wins for them and the AL Central title.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Likewise, I see them as low-90s in wins
about the same place in terms of runs scored, a few more runs allowed, and about 45 “Not Top 5 Plays”
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Full season of Fister though.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Especially with that defense.
And I agree
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Question
Why is Ramon Santiago/Ryan Raburn platoon referred to as “That Fuck”?
"I believe in a good kick in the ass. This— I believe. " -- Walker Percy
I tweet about stuff sometimes @jackhitts.
I really love baseball.
January 24th and it’s so exciting!
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And bring on spring training!
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
x
USA TODAY Sports @USATODAYsports
Tim Lincecum gets two-year, $40.5 million deal usat.ly/wev6K2
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
Daaaaamn
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
He asked for 21, no?
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 24, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
That's a lot of urine cleanser
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Jan 24, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
doesnt matter.. you can smoke pot in MLB
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Buys out his arb yaers.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
that's some expensive arb years
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
The guy on MLBN giggling about the Detroit Lineup....
Please quit pretending Delmon Young is some offensive force.
Its a great 3-4 and a good lineup, but its hardly putting the Yankees/Rangers/BoSox to shame.
Well... they were just a tick behind those three last year.
With V-Mart instead of Prince. They’ll be in that mix.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
while thats true
I will say that I was in fact they’d still be a tier below, and looking at the stats I was probably underrating them a bit with the park considered. Perhaps they are on the same tier now.
Of course, their biggest weakness was defense and that remains… stronger than ever if they do something silly.
Yeah wait for the overrreaction to start..
But they are a great club and took us to 6 games and I can see it again…
FUCK DELMON FUCKING YOUNG
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I just got MLB Network this morning
And this happens. Why couldn’t I have this coverage last Wednesday?
by Perfect Zero on Jan 24, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
schhhhyeah I can see pretty much why we were out of the mix for sure..
But this makes me scared for what hamilton will potentially be asking for. As is said all along, it just takes one team and he could have that philosophy going into FA.
Now I’m sure the Rangers would pass but I’m worried about possibly replacing Napoli and Hamilton, JD is gonna really earn his money in the next few yrs.
IN JD I trust..
Wait. So this was Prince money?
With Prince Fielder going to Detroit, it looks like Koji Uehara is stayin Texas.
The Blue Jays had interest in Uehara but a deal fell through, possibly because he wouldn’t waive his no-trade clause. The Blue Jays have signed reliever Francisco Cordero.
Possibly.
Detroit may have been a last minute thing.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If it ever comes out that Uehara refused to waive his no-trade clause and cost the Rangers...
… I’ll be sad.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
There's no way that would have stopped the Rangers.
They’d have traded him to the O’s before letting it stop them from getting Prince.
I think the issue was the additional $80M in guaranteed money.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I seriously doubt that 4mil or whatever for ONE yr would have cost us..
As we can see there is a huge difference in what he ultimately got and what Im sure the max we were willing to pay and I dont blame them.
I'll just leave this here.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/12/8/2620694/c-j-wilson-to-anaheim-5-years-75-million#85014769
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/10/13/2487365/10-13-ot-thread#80058898
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
How good of a GM does it make you when you dickslap everyone by blowing them out of the water in years and dollars?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
That "outstanding" GM just handed out one of the worst FA deals in recent memory.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Isn't that what JD did on the posting fee?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
After scouting for years, building a relationship with the player and his parents, and convincing incredibly intelligent owners that it was the right thing to do
In a blind bidding process.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I thought I read Toronto had the second highest bid, something like $ 34 million?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
i never heard a dollar amount
but yes Toronto was widely believed to be the 2nd highest bid
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Lots of reports. No actual truth.
There were reports of them being close to $50.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
game plan vs detroit
bunt to 1b or 3b
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 24, 2012 3:50 PM CST reply actions
Yeah...
what a shitty article.
Summed up: Rangers strike out less = must be cheating. I’d look around for a legitimate reason for the decrease but that would take work. Cheating.
by Pocket Ninja on Jan 24, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
wow thats fucking awful
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Sigh...
…you know what else is really low? Their walk rate. I wrote about it because it was interesting to me here:
http://www.bbtia.com/home/2011/8/24/how-many-hits-do-we-rip-on-the-daily.html
As a visual aid, here is the FG graph that spurred my interest:
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like this graph much.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Too busy?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like that we're underneath the words "more defensive dependent."
Check your email, btw. I sent you something.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Reading it right now.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
BTW,
I think that reflects the biases of the creator.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yu, slamming the NPB.
According to The Associated Press, over 10,000 fans attended Darvish’s news conference at the Sapporo Dome on Tuesday. They heard Darvish say that he was looking for a new challenge after seven seasons with the Ham Fighters.
…
“It was becoming harder to stay motivated in Japan. I used to feel that Japan provided the best environment for me. But I came to believe that I needed to change that environment and move to the Majors. As a baseball player, I wanted to fight real battles.”
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Hrmm.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Well... it's not like he didn't make the entire league his bitch for the past 5 years.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He pitched in the WBC didn't he?
I really don’t remember.
by lost in space on Jan 24, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. Made Adam Dunn look like dog shit.
by TooLegitToQuit on Jan 24, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
That line forms to the left.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 24, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
And wraps around the park about 5 times
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Heh, Colby gave up more HRs per 9 than Yu did runs.
Obviously in a very very very different environment, but kind of crazy anyway.
I don't know if that is slamming the NPB.
I would bet most Japanese baseball players and a lot of fans realize that the Majors is the pinnacle of baseball talent. I imagine most are excited to see how he handles the new challenge, while most of the Japanese players are glad they won’t have to face him anymore.
This guy is going to be quotable isnt he? Cant wait..
And can you blame him for wanting a challenge, it was way time for him to truly see what he’s made of. Perhaps better choice of words but eh, I think they know he’s telling the truth.
I look forward to hearing this on a regular basis.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
If the Ranger could just get a side deal.....
for Yu shirts, hats, and Jerseys…..each one spent $100 X 10,000 = $1,000,000 good start on posting fee!!!!!!LOL
I figured that's what he was getting at the other day.
In the press conference he was asked what made him want to come to the US to play in MLB and he said something like “a lot of reasons, but I don’t think it would be appropriate to answer that question right now.”
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Hot damn, I'm glad The Rangers signed Darvish instead of CJ, Pujols, or Prince.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
CJ is probably the most likely to live up to his contract in terms of value.
But Darvish has the most upside.
And while the end of the Prince/Pujols contracts will probably be UGLY… first parts will be fine.
But yeah… no complaints.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
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"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Does Karl Ravech have real sources?
karl ravech @karlravechespn
The fielder move to me means cespesdes now goes to Boston or Texas.. Oswalt to Washington, Texas, Boston.. Atllanta, Milwaukee IMO
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I have no idea.
But Cespesdes sounds pretty cool right now.
Especially since the MoneyPenis has stirred and must be sated.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It would be the classic JD move if you think he's worth the money.
Because we might have a hole in LF open up next year.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Lemme ask you this...
What’s Ray Davis (co swinger of the Money Penis) doing in the Dominican RIGHT NOW?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
about to whip it out
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Didn't he say he'd prefer if the Rangers were going to spend $$$
He’d prefer it on Josh?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 24, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
That was Bob Simpson.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And I don't think Cespedes will require the kind of money that precludes you from re-signing Hamilton
If you choose.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Probably would require a signing bonus, though...
…that would make for lots of cash up front signings this offseason.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
What are people predicting?
Certainly more than Leonys. 5 for $20?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 24, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
I think somewhere in the $30-40M range.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Indeeeed.
But they can’t sign him and Hamilton, right?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
And?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That would be pretty ballsy, no?
When is Cespedes expected to sign? I’m assuming before Hamilton leaves?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Oh definitely.
I would guess before the start of the season.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
In the next few weeks.
You play Cespedes in CF next year and then slide him to LF in 2013.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'd worry that you'd have a pouty Hamilton on your hands,
surely even he could see the writing on the wall…
…unless they also traded Murphy?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Cespedes could be your 2012 Murphy.
And you play Gentry as your RH CF.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Yeah,
and you’d still have Borbon to back up CF.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Sure.
You could also keep Hamilton and let Cruz walk.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Cruz is under contract for a while, though.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
And Leonys has plenty of options.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Just another year, right?
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
2012 and 2013.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah, I meant after 12.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
I figured... but wanted to be explicit.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Your always so fucking explicit.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
The government made me put a warning label up.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No, that was laxtonto silly
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
There's also, forseeably from his agent
the possibility that they move Cruz, or that the team’s losing faith in Martin. None of these things have to be true, but just true enough that Josh believes them.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
I want Soler, Cespedes, AND Concepcion.
If we can’t acquire international talent after this year like we want to, by God we’ll acquire it while we still fucking can.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I'm having a harder time getting amped up fo Concepcion.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
I just want all the prospects.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
All your Dominicans are belong to us
/racist
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
All three of those guys are Cuban.
/racist
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Meh
They’re all from Not Amer’kuh. Same thing.
"And the Yankees slap everyone around with their money penis, but where has it gotten them?"- Jorge C
"I managed to make it 18 years in Waco without getting hit in the face by a dead racoon."- River Fenix
by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 24, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If I could do art things...
I would draw the awoken and angered Money Penis… searching the Domincan for it’s next meal.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
wow...
we are broke and yet still in on everyone?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
We were never broke.
We just don’t like saying we have money.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Just a routine trip to the DR, lax.
Where it happened to be that Cespedes, Soler, and Concepcion are all playing right now.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
imagine that...
I wonder how many other guys were there as well…
Sneaky JD…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
yeah not buying that ish...
They probably saw that Fielder signing coming, know what Hammy wants and they’re NOT going there..
So they’re prepared to go big in on one of those guys,we shall see.
Boston or Texas, eh?
So, Marlins are just completely out of it? I don’t think so.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
This is from Rosenthal yesterday.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #Tigers, #Marlins, #Cubs most active on Cespedes. All three tracking him closely in DR. Still no word on when he will be FA. #MLB
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
He also said the Nationals were the leaders for Prince.
And maybe they were.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Cubs gotta whip out their moneypenis at some point, right?
Just to remind everyone that just because it isn’t the biggest, doesn’t mean it’s small.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
I can't even speculate on Cespedes
I don’t feel like we’ve had one worthy scouting report on him, yet… so it entirely depends.
I know he can basket catch…
Post on MLB.com a few minutes ago.
I had seriously forgotten that Cespedes is RH. Now I want him even more and he can platoon with Leonys!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
His swing reminds me of Julio Franco's.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
And I don't see any Julio Franco
but hard to live up to that comparison. Julio Franco had one of the most unique swings ever
He doesn't wrap his bat as far around his head as Julio did, but he holds it really high and
it seems to leave him with really good opposite way line drives and power. That’s the part that reminds me of Franco.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
WoWWWW
Prince should call Romney’s CPA right now.
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
by 3Bagger on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
If we sign him to a 6/$135 would you have been upset?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That takes him to 34, and an average of about 21ish.
I think that with the team the Rangers have set up, it would be a frivolous luxury to sign for that. If they wanted to, sure, but I’m not so sure it would be, overall, worth it. COMMAS!!!
I personally didn’t want anything more than 3 years and he wasn’t going to ever go for that. So I would have to say pass. There will be more fish in the sea. I like the Rangers to run lean and clean. (Totally not a fat joke)
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
So I asked Pras, I'll ask everyone:
If you were Jon Daniels, and Dombrowski called you tomorrow morning and offered Cabrera for Hamilton and Profar, what would you say?
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[include Cabrera's remaining contract details]
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Can't. baseballprospectus is down.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
So, baseball-reference has some info.
2012, 2013: $21M
2014, 2015: $22M
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Ok, so $86M for 4 years,
roughly 17 WAR at this rate to break even. If he’s a 6 WAR player over those 4 years, that’s 24 WAR or a surplus value of 7 WAR/$35M.
According to Victor Wang, that’s worth just Profar and not Hamilton?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not wondering if Wang had set his price at $4/WAR,
so I guess if that’s the case Profar’s value might be as high as $45M. But that’s an aside.
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Yes.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I would (somewhat reluctantly) say no.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Because (a) I'm a little worried about the poo-poo platter we have left in the OF once Hambone leaves (unless there's another deal to be made for a legit COF)
(b) Miggy has zero positional flexibility
© I think it potentially shrinks our intermediate-term window (a window I believe in)
(d) I’d really, truly rather give up the whole damned farm for McCutchen
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
A deal for McCutchen is not impossible.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Correct
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Hall of Fame.
That’s where he’s going.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Absoeffinglutely
Cabrera’s contract looks like a bargain right now
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No if I have to answer right now.
But I’d want to think for a real long time.
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by philkid3 on Jan 24, 2012 5:01 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's really interesting to me how this has split.
I’d suggest making a poll for the front page, but I wouldn’t give AJM permission.
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FTR I'm a cautious no.
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by philkid3 on Jan 24, 2012 5:46 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
You're included in the 5.
GB, you, Jobu, JDT217, and octoberty, versus sprite, Conjunction, bigsteve, Heebs, jam0152, rooster, DShep, and AquaMAN, Esq.
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Give me a no for both.
But I’d do Profar straight up.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm okay with that.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
put me down as a NO
keep the players and give that money to Hamilton
by RangerMad on Jan 24, 2012 6:24 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Give what money to Hamilton?
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9/212
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by philkid3 on Jan 24, 2012 7:21 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes, although a very tough yes.
It seems like trading Hamilton for Cabrera would be trading risks as well. You are getting rid of Hamilton’s injury risks/relapse potential for Cabrera’s character issues. But you would have 2 additional years of control.
Profar is what makes it tough for me. He is just a prospect, still several years out but his upside and age:league:production potential makes parting with him so difficult.
Heh
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As much as the Rangers wanted to acquire Prince Fielder, there just wasn’t enough room for both him and Khloe Kardashian in the same area.
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by The Hutch on Jan 24, 2012 4:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
ya.... youngs old and hamilton is injury prone and cant play in the day
hook em
by ludashoeless on Jan 24, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
a a a a a a a a a
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
2 years left? Like $30M?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
From Rotoworld...
2012: $12 million, 2013: $13.5 million.
$7.0 million of 2013 salary deferred, paid in $1 million installments from 2014-20.
Wut.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 24, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
even better, 2/25.
What would it take?
Seems like they would need a young bat coming back to them.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Moreland...
And they pay $8M
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Moreland, Odor, and Ross.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
I didn't mean just him.
Just that he’d be the young hitter to include.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Robbie Ross is a stud.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Does Boras belong in Cooperstown?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Do they put GMs in?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yep
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Then maybe.
I want to say no… his particular skill is unbelievable… but not baseball specific. But GM’s are really about being businessmen.
He is certainly unbelievably good at what he does. Perhaps the best ever.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I suppose he has to wait until Marvin Miller gets in, but once Miller is in...
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Fielder and Boras
should be calling Miller every day from now on and saying “Thank you!!”
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Tigers do save some money
by recycling his Dad’s old uniforms.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Quite the "Prince"-ly sum, wouldn't you say?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
BYB seems completely unrealistic.
It’s great to be excited about the short term, but if the potential problems with this aren’t readily apparent, that’s just naive. Even for fans.
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by philkid3 on Jan 24, 2012 5:46 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
They also seem shockingly ok with Cabrera at third.
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by philkid3 on Jan 24, 2012 5:59 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Well that goes for every damaging baseball decision.
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by philkid3 on Jan 24, 2012 7:13 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah
Like having Brandon Inge as an everyday third baseman in the lineup.
Obviously there are concerns about the long term. But as of right now, in 2012, I’d say most of us are pretty content.
"I believe in a good kick in the ass. This— I believe. " -- Walker Percy
I tweet about stuff sometimes @jackhitts.
It seems like it has the potential to be sort of awful for them even in the short term...
Fielder is really only replacing an already good hitter in Martinez with perhaps a win or two upgrade. Fielder costs insanemonies. Fielder might underwhelm at Comerica. Fielder is not good defensively. Fielder is bumping a guy who is not good at first to another position where he will be laughably bad. And what do they do with Martinez even one year from now? Just eat his contract? That makes Fielder’s cost even more insane.
I mean, sure, it’s nice to go from probably winning the division regardless of Martinez injury to potentially right back to World Series contenders, but it still could look bad as soon as this season.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
But they would have a worse player at a bazillion more dollars to replace him...
That doesn’t really make sense to me either.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 24, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
They're not trading Cabrera
Ilitch is dug in deep with this team.
by LiamP on Jan 24, 2012 6:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
why would he go anywhere?
would we trade cruz or hamilton if we signed prince?
there is still an open dh and dumbrowski said he is interested in cabrera at third
yeh... then too..
wouldnt you wanna pair a killer RHB with a killer LHB? dont trade away your stength.
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by Snark on Jan 24, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Law
I do wonder what this indicates about the Texas Rangers’ long-term plans at first base, since they don’t appear to have been in that hard on Fielder or Pujols. Mitch Moreland can’t be the long-term answer at first — he’s probably a platoon bat at best — and they don’t have a good first-base prospect in their upper levels, although they do have a top third-base prospect, Mike Olt, coming up behind Adrian Beltre. It’s not necessary for them to upgrade at first to contend in the AL West, but it seemed like an obvious area for them to target heading into the offseason. Unless Moreland has an unexpected breakout and starts to hit left-handed pitching, it’s probably their biggest untapped opportunity to add a few wins.
I don't disagree...
But you don’t pay $200+ M to solve a problem like that IMO.
Don’t know what the long term answer is… but it isn’t those contracts.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Well, yeah
I think they just pick up another bat to platoon. And see if something becomes available closer to the deadline.
From the same article: ZiPS for Fielder
YR BA OBP SLG HR RBI '12 .275 .394 .504 33 97 '13 .273 .394 .504 32 96 '14 .272 .390 .496 31 94 '15 .266 .383 .479 29 88 '16 .262 .374 .462 26 82 '17 .259 .369 .440 22 74 '18 .255 .361 .424 20 69 '19 .253 .351 .415 18 63 '20 .248 .338 .388 13 50
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
so....what's the problem?
am I reading this wrong?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
That's an OPS of 785, 766, and 726 in the last three years.
He’ll probably make about $80 million for those three years.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
He'll also only have a 33 HR in his best year...
And that’s what drives his value.
He had 24 HR at home last year… given the park factors of 118 for LH HR in Miller’s Park and 88 at Comerica… those 24 would be 17.89.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Even at first base, that pretty much predicts a bunch of 4-5 WAR seasons from Fielder
before his decline.
Even if the deal’s somewhat backloaded, that would severely limit any surplus value Detroit gets from the deal in those first years, which would make the deal overall look pretty terrible.
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He is, how you say, 100% correct.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I don't want to add a couple of wins in 2012 by issuing an insane long-term contract.
Weakness-shmeakness. And I think that’s what the Rangers are thinking, Keith.
They’re already a good team. Staying smart and patient will make it easier to stay a good team when cost-effective first basemen are available. And if they aren’t, they’re not worth it. You go after other positions.
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by philkid3 on Jan 24, 2012 7:20 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I hope mitch comes ready to play...
no more excuses damn it… for all the prospects the rangers have had over the years at first…it sucks having first being one of the weaknesses of the team.
I'd say catcher was much worse
We thought we were stacked with Teagarden, Salty, and Max Ram.
by Travis93 on Jan 24, 2012 7:13 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
And two of them got us to the WS
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Not sure he's much of an upgrade.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
you are prob right...
we have stone hands young and nap…i think i was just in the acquisition mode for the past 3 months and have to realize we are prob done with anything of significance.
Not sure why we'd keep another 1B to play 30% of the time
As a bench bat.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Given that we have Young and Napoli
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
i will say it again
The tigers are making a phillies/yanks/sox move. They are going all in this year when they think they have a chance to win a ws. This is what Steph in Toronto said today he is trying to get to.
by corbsclinton on Jan 24, 2012 9:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
THANK GOD IT'S OVER
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by LSJ on Jan 24, 2012 9:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed....and I'm a bit relieved....
Glad it was not the Rangers that paid him that contract….not that I think JD’s offer would have even touched that.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 24, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
So does this make the Tigers the most overwight team in baseball?
Fielder, Cabrera, D Young… Grounders, line drives, & bunts are going to be interesting to watch. Cue the Benny Hill music!
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