Thursday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 26, 2012 9:45 AM CST
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PrintThe DMN has a piece up about Roy Oswalt supposedly wanting to pitch for either the Rangers or the Cardinals in 2012.
Richard Durrett looks at the Rangers' interest in Roy Oswalt, and says it makes sense because, hey, you can never have enough pitching, and says it doesn't make sense because you're bumping one of your young starters you are supposedly building around out of the rotation.
Durrett continues his positional outlook heading into spring training by looking at third base. Adrian Beltre plays third base. We're good.
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by Craig T on Jan 26, 2012 9:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Michael Stipe
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by Craig T on Jan 26, 2012 9:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm trusting the process and FO here,
but I’m having a hard time seeing a scenario where signing Oswalt is a good thing.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 26, 2012 9:48 AM CST reply actions
Seriously
Signing Oswalt means we’ll have 7 starters on our roster, and that’s not counting Feldman. I don’t see anyway to solve this logjam except a trade, and yet this really isn’t a great time for trade as most teams would be almost done figuring out their roster for the season by now. And it will be clear to other teams that we need to get rid of a pitcher one way or another so it’s not like we’ll have much leverage in the trade talks either. Seriously am having difficult time to figure out how this will work out for us.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 26, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Well, you need 7 starters to deal with Oswalt's inevitable injury.
:)
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
you could always do a 2 SPs for 1 SP deal
not advocating it, just throwing it out there.
I’m against signing Oswalt as well.
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quantity over quality only works for the right club
Not many clubs will trade away a pitcher they think is better for two guys they think less of, unless there are considerable years of control to consider
It's not tailored to our situation, but
Here’s what Dave Cameron said about the idea of Oswalt on a 1/8MM deal.
At $8 million for one year, the line for Roy Oswalt should be out the door. I’d venture to go so far as to argue that any contender with enough money to spend is wasting a potential golden opportunity by letting him sit out on the market any longer. At that price, Oswalt might just be the biggest bargain of the winter.
The back problems and age mean that you probably don’t project him for more than 150 or 160 innings next year, with anything a team gets beyond that being a bonus. But, even in that kind of quantity, Oswalt could still easily be a +3 win pitcher. There just aren’t that many starters in baseball who can strike out three times as many batters as they walk, get an above average number of ground balls, and pitch effectively against hitters from both sides of the plate.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Monkey wrench in my thoughts.
If correct.
"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 26, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
This really does assume a best case scenario with the back problems, imo.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Yeah. Is the line NOT out the door and around the block because EVERYONE sees the back problem OR
because Oswalt has told everyone he wants to play for only a couple of teams.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Probably both.
Some teams don’t like to take on that sort of risk.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Given the data he cites about Oswalt's September velo and performance
I think there’s a small reason for optimism.
As well, if he is likely a 150 inning pitcher… doesn’t that kind of dovetail with what we can realistically expect from Neftali the Starter?
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
I'm lost as to what we can expect from Neftali the Starter, but yours may be a good point.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Hasn't the common LSB thought been that
It’s an interesting thought but we don’t know how healthy he is and we don’t know where he would fit?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
From what I've seen it's
’We’re giving up on Harrison and we’re going to trade him for Hamburger and Harrison is so much better than Oswalt I want to cry in my milkshake.’
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
I think this is closer to where I am.
I don’t understand the org’s apparent enthusiasm for trading Harry, and I don’t think we’re going to get the kind of return that justifies it.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I don't either.
I like the idea of Harrison’s ceiling more than the floor of Oswalt, I guess.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Do we have any tangible evidence that there's a real thought in the org about trading Harrison?
Other than talking to Oswalt, which is tangential to Harrison.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
I'm not sure.
It sounds like they want to extend Holland, but they haven’t said as much about Harrison in that regard.
I wonder why Ogando’s name doesn’t get tossed out there more. I suppose it’s his potential to very capably fill two different areas, but what if some team views him as Michael Pineda-lite?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Or is all over Ogando as the tradebait
I think I agree with him- if someone out there sees him as a starter, and we’re going to use him in a pen with Joe Nathan and Mike Adams in it… it makes a lot of sense to trade him.
I say this with a lot of Alexi Ogando love in my heart.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
If someone thinks Ogando can be a starter
And is willing to pay in prospects like he can be… in the words of bigsteve, I trade him yesterday.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
All it takes is one team seeing his first half...
Or seeing a changeup in that arm…
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
This is what I'm saying
He has more value in trade as a recent All-Star SP and 5 years of cheap control than he has in the bullpen.
Ive been saying it since we bid on Yu
If some other team views him as a SP then trade him as that now rather than kill a ton of his value by sticking him in the pen, given how our pen is shaping up
Yeah,
not a lot of innings on his arm, either. You have to worry about the 3rd pitch thing, and fatigue I s’pose, but that’s an interesting buy low candidate for teams, right?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
And if he is ultimately a reliever, and a new franchise makes that discovery for themselves
We just sold high (if we traded him as a starter, that is.)
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
No. It's all speculation. Which is why I'm floating the idea that this is really about using Feliz to centerpiece a blockbuster deal.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I have no issue with the price for Oswalt.
Not only do I think he’d probably be worth it, but I seriously doubt it affects the Rangers long-term plans at all.
I’m just concerned how they’d fit him.
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The fact that the price is a good deal doesn’t mean it’s something the Rangers should do…unless of course, they have something else planned contingent on the deal, which I’m sure is the case. They always have the next steps game planned before making any move. But on the face of it, it’s certainly hard to see the value in putting one 3 WAR pitcher with health problems in the rotation for $8M over another who is younger and perhaps just as likely to put up 3 WAR for less money.
I can only assume the Rangers see an opportunity to deal a young controllable pitcher for a very nice return.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Wait a minute.
Is this about trading Colby Lewis??
It can’t be…right?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I'd be surprised if it were.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Or is this about the state of Colby Lewis' hip?
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Hmmm
well, you’d still have your quorum of veteranness…but I would be surprised if they traded Lewis without trying to extend him first.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
How young is Colby Lewis?
I think they like his veteran presence. But it would be nice to know how much he recovered from his hip injury.
Young?...lulz.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
There are two situations I can think of where you could sign Oswalt.
If there is any indication that he needs to recover from a back injury, and I remember Clemens delaying for a portion of seasons early with the Astros, you could sign him and put him on the 40 man roster, have him work on his rehab, and send him for a DL assignment to Round Rock or anywhere else the team desires.
Trade Harrison or Ogando or both for some amazing player that could either help the Rangers out currently or in the near future. The front office has more knowledge in this area. I think Oswalt could have a productive couple of seasons. I don’t know how you could put him ahead of Ogando or Harrison. I am trusting thr front office on this matter so they can either sign Oswalt, or not as far as I’m concerned.
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Here's a new article about Yu Darvish
Yu Darvish Opens Door to Japan
When Japanese pitcher Yu Darvish makes his first appearance on a bullpen mound on the back fields at Surprise Recreation Campus less than a month from now, don’t be surprised to find a company name on a sign tied to the fence behind him.
With close to 100 Japanese media members expected to attend, including at least six major network television stations from Japan filming Darvish’s every move at spring training, the Texas Rangers are likely to sell advertising space. It’s just one of the ways the club can cash in off the field from Darvish’s celebrity on it.
(Richard Durrett, ESPNDallas)
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Maybe now it will be easier to find a stream of the game online
Thanks, Japan!
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by can we get hatcher back on Jan 26, 2012 10:01 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
But I was told that Darvish would mean only minimal marketing dollars
/sarcasm
I’ve thought from the beginning that part of the way that the Rangers Front Office sold this to ownership was by modeling out the increased marketing revenue that could be generated.
This is one small way, but I’m sure we’ll see others as the season progresses. Seeing how many people attended his good-bye press conference, you have to think that his every move as a Ranger will be watched closely in Japan, and smart business people will find a way to make a buck off that.
How does this change whether or not the marketing dollars will be minimal?
You don’t know how much they’ll get in ad revenue for this.
If the grand sum of all marketing revenue they sell for these types of things is $1-2M… that’s still minimal.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
two million a year isn't minimal
it doesnt pay for the posting but that’s almost 10% back on the total investment
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 26, 2012 10:18 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
You're assuming the entire gross value goes to paying back the payroll element.
It costs money to get that $2M, paying sales people and other operational costs.
I believe GB showed it was like 60% of revenue goes to payroll.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
oh sure
and i would be the first to say that tjey got yu for his arm and not for revenues. but i also think it is a bit cynical to ignore the increased ads and increased ticket sales etc. those do make yu cheaper. they dont need to pay for him outright to be notable
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 26, 2012 10:25 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I think the biggest revenue targets
are ones that we as fans and non-marketing experts fail to see from this distance
Does this drive up the cost of Ad Space at the ball park?
Does this drive up the cost of everything Ranger related, b/c they know have a much bigger audience to pitch to?
If they can sell ads on the fence behind the ST campus, what can’t they market?
Nah, 60% is basically only Detroit.
Most teams are 45-50%.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
I'd say a extra 1-2 million from spring training ad revenue is a pretty good deal
If thats what they are getting for 6 weeks at their spring training complex imagine what their prices for prime ad space at the Ballpark will now go for?
I don't mean for just ST...
I mean in total additional revenue.
There’s no way they make 7 figures for a few weeks of ST advertising.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think you're underestimating the marketing they can do in Japan
Not that they can get $2M for the ST AD Space
But there are a lot of other ways they can make money off the Texas Rangers/Darvish brand in Japan, and they hired a guy to do just that.
I’d expect them to make less than Boston or the Yanks did, being somewhat conservative. But those numbers were pretty high. And Darvish is a frickin’ rock star over there.
I think you're overestimating.
I’m all for any money… I’ve just never seen PROOF that it truly exists. I’m sure that there will be some… but only conjecture has given any actual values.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
They can,
but I think what we’ve attacked is the idea that it’s obvious that they will make millions from it. The most obvious things that people cite with this can be pretty quickly debunked (jersey sales, sellouts from the increased Asian fan attendance, even increased TV ratings to a large degree).
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, I agree
But I know I read an article about the hire they did from the Red Sox, and while I’m not a marketing expert, I’ve worked enough in the business world to see companies get very creative in ways to generate revenue based on something like this.
I think the ways they will add $ just aren’t obvious to us on the outside.
Just as one example, I bet the cost to hang your company banner or logo anywhere in the ball park just went up pretty significantly. And I’m sure there are loads of Japanese companies that the Rangers are talking to about creative plans to get their brand exposure along with Darvish’s starts or baseball activity.
Perhaps,
but I still think it’s hard to quantify. And, if Yu fails to meet expectations, does that revenue still come in?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Good question on the fail
But I was amazed to see that many fans attend a press conference where he told Japanese baseball good-bye. He’s obviously very dearly loved by fans in that country.
I’ve heard he’s on the level of a Brad Pitt hunky actor here in the States
Yes, that is true.
And Japan followed Ichiro and Matsui pretty rabidly.
If the Rangers got all of the TShirt/Jersey sale money, or were currently negotiating their TV deal [or have big incentives in this one], or the Rangers had a West Coast-like Asian population, then I’d be a little more willing to buy into it.
The other thing is, I think most of us are just hoping he gives us the value on the field, which given the contract and his ceiling, isn’t unreasonable.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Marketing Revenue
I think it comes in other ways than jerseys and attendance.
And again, I don’t know the field that well … but there just seems like a lot that a smart marketing team could do with an asset like that that won’t funnel into MLB’s coffers.
Don’t they charge for tickets to those road shows? The Rangers could put on events in Japan, with Yu as the draw, selling tickets, sponsorships and television rights.
I think the principle issues are
that it wasn’t really a factor in signing YU, it is something that is hard to quantify (it could be 2m or 5m or 10m but not more than 10m, and even then maybe only in the first year, who knows), and it is something that we may not get confirmation about (from someone, Baseball Biz, TX FO) until the off season. The uncertainty lies in marketing, advertising and sponsorship issues that we don’t have much if any information on (here and in Japan).
I don't think that's right that it wasn't a factor
JD has said that he presents the owners with a presentation about the business side of an acquisition. I’m sure in JD’s mind it was a non-factor as his job is about the baseball side. But for the ownership group about to spend 50+ million dollars to sign a player to a 50+ million dollar contract, I think it would be extremely surprising if they didn’t have an idea on how much direct revenue they would gain with Yu.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
the idea
is that WE don’t know what the figures are, not that THEY aren’t able to estimate what they might be
Maybe a misunderstanding here
but what did you mean then when you said it wasn’t a factor in signing Yu?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
extra annual revenue
was not what the 3 hour meeting was about.
I can't find it right now
But there was an article written when the Rangers ‘signed’ the marketing person from the Boston Front Office that handled their international work. And in that piece, there were pretty high numbers listed for what Dice-K brought to the Sox and for what Matsui meant to the Yanks.
The totals were much higher than $2m/year
I'll believe it when I see it in financial statements.
Those need to get leaked again.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That is very unlikely to happen
so are you saying you will never believe that the Rangers can make a serious profit off of marketing Yu?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Several teams were leaked.
Not just because we were in bankruptcy.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It's how everyone found out how much money the Marlins were pocketing
Of revenue sharing.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yes
that article stated 5-10 million in advertising, marketing, sponsorship with respect to Seattle i believe (and unrelated to attendance or shared merch) but it was a reasoned analysis rather than one with definitive proof or confirmation from FO (or other) sources. Why don’t we just split the middle and say 5m is problable. It is such a small figure in the grand scheme of things that it is almost irrelevant.
Are you saying 5 million over the life of the contract or 5 million per year
Per year, that’s a huge figure so I’m guessing that you don’t think its per year. If it is just a guess at 5 million over the life of the contract, I would guess its higher but that’s still about 10% of the posting fee.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I'd be shocked
If a smart marketing team couldn’t wring more than $5M out of the mega popularity of Yu in Japan.
grand scheme
equals overall profits and outlays for a baseball team. If you just limit it to Darvish, then yeah, 5 million is great. However, as I’m not one that thinks the 100m+ outlay for Darvish is a bad deal like so many others, it seems irrelevant to me whether there will be any additional revenue coming our way or not. Darvish is a #1 starter and he has the AAV of a #1.
Any money the Rangers get for sponsorship
mitigates what Darvish has to produce to be a value signing. If he performs as expected and the Rangers get a little bit in extra sponsorship it’s increased surplus value as far as the bottom line is concerned.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
No one said they won't make any money.
They said it would be minimal. Outfield advertising isn’t going to pay his contract.
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I think the main issue here
is the Japanese specific revenue that could accrue to TX, not ballbark advertising related to Japanese corps. That is to say, marketing, sponsorship, advertising revenues in Japan that are not ballpark dependent, The Rangers’ footprint, brand there. This is the biggest unknown but which I take to be real.
Feliz, Cruz, and Martin Perez for Mike Stanton
/rabble rabble
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ehhhhh
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 26, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Those 3 for a retired relief pitcher?
"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 26, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I have to be careful, we're outnumbered here.
I just try to not make a scene. Or make fun of Tech, seems to be a good way to fit in.
I think I was the first!
Yay me.
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Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
I think it's definitely enough.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Does this assume the signing of Oswalt?
And you are good with Murphy playing everyday?
"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 26, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
If we have Mike Stanton...
Why would Murphy play every day?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
My bad.
I was thinking he played 1B. Remove 2nd question.
"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 26, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Yes. My read on the Oswalt rumors is that the org is looking to move Feliz, not Harrison or Holland (for whom they're simply not going to get full value via trade)
Mike Stanton plays RF, Hamilton plays LF, and Gentry plays CF. Murph is still our super-duper 4th OF and fan favorite.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
This scenario (the Stanton deal) also pretty much assumes a Hamilton extension
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Because I figure we're extending one of Hamilton or Cruz regardless. And under this scenario Cruz would be gone.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Do you think our intermediate-term plan is to populate both COF spots through trade?
Again, assuming the deal I proposed goes down.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
You'd be selling at Feliz's lowest value.
Unless you think he’s going to absolutely bomb as a starter… which maybe you do.
I don’t.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If you think he's going to bomb as a starter, why are kicking him out of the bully?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
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by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
To get an offensive player
that is a stud and is actually younger than your little age window you spuot off about all the time.
"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 26, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
"spuot"?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Jayson Worth?
"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 26, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think he will bomb as a starter.
I don’t think the Rangers think that either.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If Feliz pitches 160 innings, what do you think his ERA will be?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Big range.
I could see anywhere from 3.50 to 4.50.
He’s got an amazing arm… and he spent time starting in the minors.
I don’t think ERA will be the issue as much as being efficient and getting 6 innings out of him.
I see a lot of 5 and change inning 100+ pitch starts with a lot of K’s and few hits or runs.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think Feliz starting is going to be a failed bit and then
I’m not sure what happens.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
You think everything is going to be a failed bit
Grow some testicles and accept some risk.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
by t ball on Jan 26, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm the one who wants to extend Josh and I also want to extend Napoli.
I think Feliz is going to be a failed bit as a starter because he said he didn’t want to do it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
They burned his ship.
No way back to Spain, now that Nathan’s signed.
It’s either start or take a demotion. Conquer the Aztecs or die in a strange land.
Remove want from the equation.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
JD's Baby all the way.
We shall see how Feliz to the bully and the $ 110 investment in Yu work out for him.
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"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Feliz to the rotation
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
The other thing is closer can be glorious or infamous
He’s seen both, and may actually prefer to start after the game that shall not be named.
You also thought Napoli came with instructions.
And that Colby Lewis would put up a 6.00 ERA and kill the “bully” every five days.
Sometimes things work out.
Sometimes they’re Brandon Webb or Rich Harden.
But sometimes they’re not.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Colby Lewis was predicted at 6.00 era?
He did better on that prediction than most, although certainly Lewis was under 5.00 era. Still, his home runs allowed and inconsistency sure made it painful to watch him pitch at home, and sometimes on the road.
I think the 6.00 ERA were my initial thoughts
and I was skeptical of him having success but I watched him in Spring Training and sat on the fence with him.
I did the same thing with Vladdy…bitched about the signing when it happened but signed off on him after seeing him in Spring Training.
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"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
You sat on the fence with Colby?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Has he said that this offseason?
You are afraid of every risk the Rangers take. You’re afraid of a team without Hamilton, Napoli, CJ, postseason Koufax, etc. You’re afraid to move Feliz to the rotation, you’re afraid of signing Darvish, afraid of Beltre.
Teams don’t win by avoiding risk. Furthermore, extending Hamilton has its own risks which you seem to ignore. The Rangers are good at deciding which are the better risks to take.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I have no idea how he's going to do as a starter. I think he's a bit of a headcase, and I also wonder whether some of his problems last year were manifestations of a physical problem.
Regardless, I think it’s more likely that the org wants to deal Feliz than they do Harry or Holland, though I wouldn’t deal any of them. Selling low on Feliz or not, if a guy like Stanton is coming back…
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I completely disagree.
I think the org would MUCH rather deal Harrison than Feliz and probably Holland slightly more than Feliz.
80 grade fastballs don’t grow on trees.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Serious question
Does Feliz’ fastball have the type of command and control to be called an 80-grade fastball?
That is my understanding.
I am not a scout… but have seen prospect types refer to his fastball as such.
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Of the fastball?
Probably. Maybe not every start, but it’s there often enough.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
I think Harrison (and, to a lesser extent, Holland) may be the kinds of guys that are more valuable to the Rangers than anyone else
If we deal either one, I’d like a young, major-league ready COF coming back, but how many of those guys are out there and worth it?
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Domonic Brown
though I can’t see the Phillies really looking for a SP.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
True
Though I was speculating the other day that the Yanks could send Gardner and Sanchez to Philly for Hamels and Aumont.
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I think Stanton is untouchable.
Marlins love that guy. LoMo is different story. Of course, Ozzie changes everything.
I sports hate you CJ.
Yeah.
Plus they already have Gaby Sanchez at 1B.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Why wouldn't they love him?
How could you not like a guy who hits for that kind of raw power in that park they played in last year?
But they could learn to love a young, controllable TORP candidate as well, especially if he brought Cruz and Uehara with him … just saying
i don't want to trade Feliz
but I’d guess his value is anything but low
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 26, 2012 10:15 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
True.
And if his value were at an all-time low right now, then there’s no way my hypothetical deal would work.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I didn't say his value is low...
Just that it’s at it’s lowest point.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Not really
His lowest value would be if he goes out this year, tries to start and either bombs or gets hurt. Right now, he’s brimming with potential.
What was my caveat?
When in his ML career has his value been lower before this point?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
All right
But if you are saying ML career, and that’s the last 2 years, then I don’t think it’s dropped significantly at all.
He’s still seen a huge arm kid with top-of-the-rotation potential. Plus he’s proven that he can do great in a late-inning/closing role as a worst-case back up plan.
most player's values are monotonically descending
saying lowest point suggests that there has been a dip that will see a recovery soon
Go Rice Owls!
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by JBImaknee on Jan 26, 2012 10:21 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I expect him to show he's a capable starter.
So I expect a recovery of value showing that.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
For all intents and purposes, he showed that last year.
The Rangers even said so.
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Feliz may end up a dazzling starter BUT
why not let him work on it and once we see how he is doing..go from there..if he is struggling here and we send him down..his value will plummet along with his confidence
I still don't think his heart is in starting.
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"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
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by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think it was last year.
I think it is this year.
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The organization is forcing this on him to see if he can do it.
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"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Be interesting to hear from him after he had a pep talk with Pedro.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
So they should just let the player decide where to play?
Or they shouldn’t see if he can start?
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No
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
So why does it matter if they are forcing him to start to see if he can do it
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Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Can you name an instance..
Of a player getting forced into a position and then succeeding at it?
[Ball on tee]
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Holland.
And I don’t think there’s really any doubt.
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I don't know
Holland has had more success as a starter. But he’s also hit some bumps and has burned more of his cost-controlled years. Feliz has that aura of projectability that might make teams value him more.
Not that one team may not prefer another pitcher,
but I think the general consensus is that Holland would have the most value.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
I think there's some doubt.
I think there are teams that would be more interested in Feliz.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
More interested because his price would conceivably be lower?
I think Holland would bring back the best package of players and thus has the more value
I think some teams would pay more for Feliz.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think the Rangers are one of the teams that would probably value Feliz more.
You only trade him yesterday if you think he’s a bust… I don’t think the Rangers think that.
For those of you who have very little confidence in his ability to become a starter… I can see why it makes sense.
But if you think he can become starter you’d much rather have him.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If he can bring back more than Holland then I think you trade him yesterday
The bar has been set for what a young pitcher with 4 years of team control left will bring.
The Latos and Gio trades this winter set that bar. If Neffy would bring back more than that given the uncertainty surrounding his move to the rotation I think you do it.
if you want to package him for a more established player thats fine too.
I don't think Holland brings back what Latos or Gio did.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think you get close
Gio has been more successful but also will cost about 8-10 mil more than Holland during their team controlled years.
Latos brought back two top offensive prospects (along with headcase Volquez) which is what I think we could get for Holland
Unless
He’s the one that’s valued the most in the market and can bring back a difference-making position player like Stanton.
They’ve been building pitching depth in part b/c you need more than 5 capable starters to get through a season, as JD likes to talk about. But it also has to be so they can use it as trade value to get the other pieces they want/need.
At this point, it’s pretty obvious to everyone in that front office I’d suppose that they need to find a trade in the next 12+ months that sends pitching for hitting.
i just dont want to trade holland/harry
who have proven solid devolping starters until im sure feliz isnt bust
Neither Harry or Holland have proven themselves as solid starters.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Not a long enough period of time to declare them solid starters.
I’m not saying they suck… but it’s also very possible that either of them puts up a year closer to their non 2011 seasons.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You also said proven.
They have proven nothing other than they possess talent.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
well they have proved..they have talent and
and got the job done in Bigs as starters..we just need consistency and thats why need to continue letting do so
ROFLOVERHEREGUYS
They have proven nothing other than they possess talent.
well they have proved..they have talent
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
lol..fast typing..my point
is they both had good years as starters
and just need to see more consistency and why not let them do that
You've described every young player with talent and a small amount of success
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So?
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
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by colonialbob on Jan 26, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
I disagree they are "proven solid"
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Oh sorry
I though you were replying to the “why not let them do that” comment. Carry on.
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
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by colonialbob on Jan 26, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Today...Holland
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by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Value-wise, maybe it is.
But Marlins just spent some serious cash in the offseason improving their team. They’ll be looking to compete, and they won’t want to give up their best hitter. So that package isn’t going to be enough to make them give up Stanton in reality.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 26, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
That deal makes the Marlins better.
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they add a post season hero
For a Corner Outfielder along with a top of the rotation candidate who is under team control almost as long as Stanton
That’s good value
That postseason hero is an injury prone one
who has never played more thatn 130 games. He’s also older than Stanton by almost a decade. And that TORP candidate, who knows how he will fare as a starter.
I do think that the value of the chips are more than enough. I would have made that trade if I was the one owning Stanton in a fantasy league. But I don’t really see how this trade will help the Marlins win more games this or next season.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 26, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Cruz
oh, he definitely has his issues. But he has a lot of upside to offer as well.
And the TORP candidate is exactly that – a candidate. But he comes with a lot of positive reports and a good track record starting in the minors.
I think it definitely hurts both sides, and gives both sides some risk, which is usually a good indicator that it’s somewhat balanced.
Not really
Upside would be if you thought he could turn into a 40 home run guy instead of the 30 home run guy hes been
Cruz is likely what he is. A guy whos going to hit .260 or so, have a .325 OBP roughly and slug 30 home runs while spending some time on the DL. And hes getting close to the point of decline at his age.
They would have him for two years which has value.
Would you say Kinsler had upside last offseason?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Only a little due to his age
I would have said his power numbers could bounceback because he had only 9 HRs in 2010 but has shown in the past to be a 25+ HR guy.
But he hadn't put up a season like last year's yet.
He had the potential, but never flashed it all together in one season where he was healthy.
I think Cruz is in the same boat.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
A guy in the wrong side of his thirtie's with chronic hamstring problem?
I won’t say it’s entirely impossible, but I’ll say the odds are probably stacked against that.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 26, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think the normal aging curve fully applies to Cruz, with the late start to baseball he had
But, macro rules are macro rules for a reason.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
What metric are you using?
His 2008 was better IMO.
Also as it has come out now he was dealing with that ankle injury all of 2010 which could go to explain his drop in power numbers.
To me the only “upside” Cruz has is if he can stay healthy for a full season you may see more of the flashy stats, more HRs etc. I dont think we will see another season like 2010 from Nellie especially now that hes on the wrong side of 30 and given his injury history
Offensively, sure...but then there's defense to consider.
That’s fine. I still think that there’s upside in Cruz in the sense that if he can have a healthy season, he would be a legitimate MVP threat…kind of like another COF I can think of.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
He also played THIRTY-FOUR more games in 2011.
A large part of the conversations of Kinsler never quite having reached his ceiling prior to 2011 centered around the potential of what he could do healthy.
A large part of what made 2011 his career year was staying healthy.
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by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Definitely was
Would be crazy to get, but if that guy could bring the glove that Kinsler had as well …
I would have!
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It's more than enough.
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I was a little worried it might be a bit too much, but then it's tough to avoid overpaying for a guy like Stanton.
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Wut.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
That's a fleecing.
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by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
For once I actually agree
I think our people are seriously underrating Feliz now because of Game 6.
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Stanton could be a truly special player.
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Eh.
I think he could have truly special power, but…
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
A 4.5 WAR season at 22 years old
he’s cutting his strikeout rate some, has athleticism, and of course — the power is just obscene.
I $$$$ing love Mike Stanton.
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by Conjunction on Jan 26, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the .275 ISO and declining K-rate at age 22...
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Yeah,
but will that K% drop stick? Plus, I know he’s athletic, but is he actually a good defender?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Hahah,
I was pondering a Harrison, Moreland, + trade for LoMo this morning.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
I'm treating the Oswalt
hype as so much hot air. I doubt the FO will deviate from its roto youth movement or start getting too cute with lateral moves.
Oh....Brad Lidge is a National.
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I forgot that guy was still around.
I remembered him for a while, but I thought he was left-handed, then I remembered he wasn’t and I forgot about him.
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my only memory of this guy
is the fattest hanging splitter I’ve ever seen getting demolished by albert pujols
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by MonkeyEpoxy on Jan 26, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Lidge was an absolute beast in 2004 but Pujols cut his balls off in Game 5 and he never really recovered.
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by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
I think that's being overrated...Mo Rivera recovered nicely after 2001 and others have as well.
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by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Using the greatest closer in the history of the game as a reference for this case isn't really convincing.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 26, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
So you think Feliz is fucked and will never recover from what happened?
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by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
What about Donny Most?
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He sat on it.
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Yeah
because his 2008 was terrible.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 26, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
and his 2010...
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Well I guess those two seasons are crap if you compare them to 2004, heh
but goddamn he was almost eric gagne in 2004
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by MonkeyEpoxy on Jan 26, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
eric gagne's 2003 lol
0.86 FIP
1.18 xFIP
44.8 K%
6.5 BB%
22.3% SwStr
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by MonkeyEpoxy on Jan 26, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Goodness.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
the only way id sign oswalt is to use him as a starter
until feliz is ready to come up from AAA to take over..and with the way they continue to go talk about Oswalt..that seems to me to be their intention..cuz if they are trading harrison for CF type..then that means they dont like Martin as the future
Not neccessarily
Regarding the Leo’nys thing.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Could be a 1B type.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
They're talking Ranger's rotation on XM Radio today, Mike Maddux was just on....
Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg
I bleed Ranger black and blue.
Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.
Go on...
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
ok
Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg
I bleed Ranger black and blue.
Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.
I just caught part of it but...he said..
> He didn’t realize that the ball was smaller in Japan until last Spring when Yoshi attributed part of his problems to it.
> re: how many more innings Harry and Dutch will pitch this year? He likes to stick to the 30 innings per year addition.
> He loves Scooter and you can expect him to get a LOT of spot starts this year…even if Neffy has thrown 3 great games in a row.
>Ogando is more likely to go the the bully over Harry, he liked Harry’s starting numbers a lot.
> re: how many pitches Yu will be pitching. If he can throw more than 4 with success that’s fine with him, but he’d be happy just getting a solid 4 out of him.
let me see, I think that’s it….but he went on …just had to run..
Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg
I bleed Ranger black and blue.
Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.
by BigGuns on Jan 26, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks, man.
Appreciate it.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
That's interesting to hear about Feldman spot starting for Feliz
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
they're real high on him, he went on about how he won 17 games a couple years ago ...they have lost no faith..
Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg
I bleed Ranger black and blue.
Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.
That's good to hear
because Feldman certainly re-affirmed my faith in him with his pitching last year.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
You're never as good as you seem when you're winning
or as bad as you seem when you’re losing…
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
It was pretty impressive.
Great to see the movement come back.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
It was the hardest
he’s ever thrown and hits cutter was back. There is reason for optimism but velo spikes are often not sustained from season to season. If he just pitched like a #4 that is perfectly adequate depth in your long man that many teams don’t have.
Hes only been a over the top staerting pitcher for 3 years
1 was great
1 was bad
and 1 was missed mostly due to injury but when he did pitch he was pretty damn good.
If he has another solid season in 2012 im willing to write 2010 off as injury related
yeh after he discovered his cutter...it happens.
Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg
I bleed Ranger black and blue.
Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.
He looked great when he pitched last year
Another solid season next year and I think you can go ahead and contribute his disappointing 2010 to the injury
yuuuuup knee injuries F everything up..
Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg
I bleed Ranger black and blue.
Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.
Yes, this is my hope
A solid year from Feldman gives all the starters better odds.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I can see that
By the end of the year, he really looked healthy and strong on the mound. The fastball was popping, and it seemed like he was getting the feel back for that cutter/sinker combo that induced so much weak contact the year he won 17.
Getting good value out of that contract would be a really nice twist for the Rangers. And it would also give them more room for creativity with any trades of pitchers for hitters.
It would also allow them to be more patient with Perez and Ramirez in AAA
If Feldman pitches well enough for us to exercise his option for next year he could take Colbys spot and give Perez and ramirez more time in AAA if they need it while giving us 2 top quality injury insurance policies in the minors.
Nice to have pitching surplus
It’s going to be interesting to see what if any of it they use to get some long term offense
I like it because it means they're dedicated to the idea of developing Feliz.
Without burning him out.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
not just Feliz, the whole staff, which is smart...
He REALLY emphasized giving the young arms plenty of breaks and harked back to last year and all the breaks that the young guys got.
Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg
I bleed Ranger black and blue.
Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.
I like it, I like it.
Go to war with those six, then. Screw Oswalt.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
but who's going to be the longman if Scooter is making all these spot starts?
da Captain?
Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg
I bleed Ranger black and blue.
Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.
I'm not expecting the Rangers to need a long man for many innings this season
Also, they’ve probably got it scheduled something like 3 starts for Feliz and then a spot start for Feldman.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Ogando could do it.
Keep Uehara and use Lowe, Koji, Adams, and Nathan as our RH options.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Wouldn't that kind of be a waste of Ogando?
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
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by colonialbob on Jan 26, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
I think he's assuming Ogando goes to the pen
which is likely the case .
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 26, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
No I understand that part of it
But wouldn’t Ogando be arguably our second best RH reliever (especially if you’re giving Nathan or possibly Adams the “closer” position)?
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
by colonialbob on Jan 26, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
No, why?
He’d still be in his usual role, just pitch multiple innings if needed whenever Feldman was unavailable to pick up the slack.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I guess I associate long man with "comes in to pitch when shit hits the fan"
Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.
"I just wanna go gay." - bigtill
by colonialbob on Jan 26, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
After two years with long playoff runs
it makes sense to be planning to spell guys now and then.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Best thing about Feldman on the mound is
in case of fights, bam.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 26, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Or impromptu barn raisings.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
[Comment From Ben: ]
what type of return could Texas get for Harrison?
Frankie Piliere:
I think they’d probably start out asking for something like the Gio Gonzalez deal. They wouldn’t get that but they’d do very well. They wouldn’t get a blue chipper but probably a couple real high quality prospects in return.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
The sad thing is
What we really need is a blue chipper.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
"Need"?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Every day players?
Hell yes we need some blue chippers.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Profar and .... ?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
i think thats what they hope
all that international prospect money they spent last year..along with olt
Gotta agree
What would make this org look even more bullet proof is a blue-chip, power/obp monster that played either RF, 1B or LF
Everyone needs blue chippers.
Everyone.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Good point.
Though some teams, like the Astros, it would make more sense to get the 3 ‘good’ prospects.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
We need a serious infusion of youthful blue chippers...when Kinz turns 30 in June
the only every day players (not pitchers) we’ll have under 30 are Moreland and Tiny E.
The Angels have Bourjos, Trout, Ianetta, Aybar, Kendrick, Trumbo and Callaspo…not all are blue chippers but they’re all in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 26, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
29-32 years old...they're still in their prime.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
You think Santana, Haren, Weaver and CJ are in decline?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Doesn't make sense for guys like Haren and Wilson to trend upward.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Wilson was better in 2010 than he was in 2011.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
LOL...reverse that...he was better in 2011 than in 2010
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
It's just that if you include that age frame,
then you include Rangers positional players that you had been excluding previously.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
I treat elite pitchers and every day players differently.
Why is that concept so hard?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You keep moving the goalposts
to the point of absurdity. Speaking of…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
No...I treat every day players and pitchers differently.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You think pitchers age BETTER than position players?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Define "age BETTER"
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Decline less rapidly.
You think a 33 year old pitcher is going to be closer to his 30 year old self than a 33 year old hitter will be to his 30 year old self?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Several variables...depends a lot on how
many innings those pitchers were used before they were 25 years old and their conditioning.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
but above you say 30
If it’s 32 as the prime, the Rangers side of that equation on position players looks a bit different, right?
I know for a fact he knows 30-32 is not within a player's prime.
Thus I know for a fact you are being trolled.
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by philkid3 on Jan 26, 2012 3:35 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yea, I know
But I like to play innocent and see if there’s actually baseball to be talked every once in awhile
I think most position players are in their primes from 27-31
years old.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That sounds about right
I was reading something on Fangraphs about power-focussed players (like the new 1B in Detroit) peaking way earlier than that, but I think 27-31 is pretty much consensus.
It’s one of the reasons I’m fine with giving Mitchy the Kid another shot at 1B, as long as he’s platooned against tough lefties. I think he’s shown he can be an .800 – .825 guy if healthy, and in the next couple of years, we’re bound to get one of his spike years.
I'm not sold by that piece, btw.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
I bet the Tigers aren't either
Though Prince’s Dad never had a season as good as his age 27 one after that
I'm far more bullish on Mitch than most in here. He
was an excellent hitter in April / May and then got hurt.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I like him for our lineup as well
We have the swing-from-your-heels, light-tower power thing covered a bit. I’d like to see some more double digit walk rates.
WWBJS
What Would Bill James Say
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
In the sense that
I’d rather have one elite, high ceiling, OF or 1B prospect right now than 2-3 ‘good’ prospects.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Indeed. We have quantity for the most part.
Need some quality.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
That's what I was thinking/hoping
LoMo for Harrison+
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think Morrison is really a blue-chipper
Jesus Montero was a blue-chipper. Morrison’s struggles in the bigs hold him back from that distinction. I’m not sure I prefer him to Anthony Rizzo.
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In his first year in the majors,
he put up a 127 wRC+ in 287 PA, but probably got lucky in doing so with a .351 BABIP [19.7% LD%].
In his second year in the majors, he put up a 115 wRC+ in 525 PA, but did so with only a .265 BABIP [18.0% LD%].
Given that this will be his age 24 season and I would like to play him at 1B, I think he has the chance to be a very good 1B.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
LoMo would be great
I was thinking along the lines of Harrison, NeRa, and Odor for Devin Mesoraco or Bubba Sterling
Hard to see them trading him, no?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Well,
I mean in terms of how they view their competition window. The Marlins at least seem to be willing to take a long term hit to generate interest/enthusiasm right now. I’m not sure that’s the case for KC.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's the only way they trade Harrison
There isn’t much value in trading Harrison for more depth in prospects
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
i agree but i dont want to trade
one of the prospects that is now showing promise on the major league level to get a couple that might turn out
[Comment From BenBen: ]
Uehera? What is he worth in trade?
Thursday January 26, 2012 1:38 Ben
1:38
Frankie Piliere:
I think you have to get a couple big league ready prospects at least. Especially given what Texas gave up to get him.
Thursday January 26, 2012 1:38 Frankie Piliere
1:38
[Comment From OrOr: ]
Better right now: Alexi Ogando or Neftali Feliz
Thursday January 26, 2012 1:38 Or
1:38
Frankie Piliere:
Feliz better in 2012
[Comment From OrOr: ]
Dom Brown for Matt Hrrison: Who says no?
Thursday January 26, 2012 1:40 Or
1:40
Frankie Piliere:
Rangers
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
What?
Dom Brown has really fallen in public opinion.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Wut.
Really on Dom Brown??
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Joe Random (In line at Shake Shack): With Texas possibly offering Josh Hamilton an extension, wouldn’t they be better off spending that money on Matt Cain, Cole Hamels or Zack Grienke? Assuming Mike Young and Hamilton are out of the 2013 picture, they can still fill an OF spot with Victorino, DYoung, or Melky. Of course, #TheLegend can probably play RF better than anyone on the roster.
Jason Parks: I wouldn’t offer Hamilton an extension. I would let him walk and use those resources elsewhere.
faztradamus (Desk Chair): If you could be the GM of any team outside of the Rangers… who, and why?
Jason Parks: Yankees. I think taking over a situation where it is nearly impossible to make a name for yourself presents a challenge. With all the flags flying in that stadium and all the greats that have either worn the uniform or pulled the strings, carving out your own niche would be a remarkable accomplishment. I’d like to give it a try.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Where do you use those resources?
The next real big lefty bat coming available is going to be Votto…he’s gonna use the PF Contract as a nice launching point.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
He'll be 3 years older,
but…yes.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
He's not a fat bastard either plus he's a better defensive player.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Right,
but 3 years older makes it harder for him to get 9 years.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
He'll be 30 years old on 2014 Opening Day...he'll get at least 8 years
right around $ 200 million.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That sounds about right...
…which means it will be more.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
laxtonto (locked in my office..): Alfaro…. Marte…. Guzman… Who is the next one that we get to start hearing rumors about…
Jason Parks: LHP Yohander Mendez will be the next big pitching prospect in the Rangers system.
basejaw (Dallas): I read that Victor Payano looked very strong at instructs. Did you get a chance to see him, and what do you expect from him this year?
Jason Parks: He did look strong at Instructs, with a fastball in bursts that was in the low 90s thrown on a steep plane with a little arm-side movement. I’m a big fan of the tall lefty. If the secondary stuff can come around, he could move up prospect lists. You can’t teach length.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Where is that Parks chat?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
BP.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=893&nocache=1327603055#new
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Thanks.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Mendez is third major part of the Hispaniola Purchase, right?
The one who seemed like a promising prospect who might be able to turn into our next Marteen?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
We gave him more than we've ever given a pitcher in the LA market, I believe.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Pedro Payano
got 650k and Jeily Arias was another notable sign. Payano missed instructs but reaches low 90’s per Cole (as does Arias, though per Badler).
I forgot about the other guys, but I knew there were more.
Those guys are all likely still 2 years out from stateside, right?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
No
1 year in the DSL (if any) is the most time you’ll see 500k j2 signs spend there. Otherwise, they are likely a bust. Payano is a complete unknown (to us) as he didn’t come to instructs. Arias is likely a DSL kid.
Hmm.
K.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Bookmarked.
Thanks.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
Jay (Vancouver): Did Derek Holland finally figure it all out? Does he have any room to improve from last year’s performance? If he does, along what kind of stats he would offer in his prime?
Jason Parks: Obviously, Holland figured out a few things in 2011. The good news is that he still has more to figure out, as the changeup can certainly improve. I don’t like projecting stats because I’m not very good at it, but I think Holland can be the type of #3 starter that can throw one-hitters when he is on and give up five runs in five innings when he is not. Consistency could make him a #2.
George (Charlotte): What do you know about Cespedes? Pretty high expectations?
Jason Parks: I know what everybody else does, and yes, the expectations are extremely high based on what I’ve been told. I have to say, I’m just not sold on the guy. I haven’t seen him in person, but I’ve spoken to a few that have and the questions about the hit tool make me hesitant to say he is going to be a monster. The tools are crazy, so if the hit tool is only average the power could make him a first-division/all-star type. But what if he can’t hit above-average arm-side breaking stuff at the highest level? That’s my concern.
Michael Ynoa (Doctor’s Office): Is there any hope for me?
Jason Parks: You could always marry a Kardashian.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Could be?
I think Parks just described 2011 Holland.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
That was in large part about the process.
We were offering more money, but the A’s shennanigoated him from us.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
yes
it was the process. However, the “offer” was not confirmed and may not have actually been made because the agent was reported to have already agreed to the A’s deal and wasn’t talking to anyone else.
Ynoa
Must admit, didn’t realize his star had collapsed that bad.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 26, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Injuries
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
20.5 as of 4/1
Should start out in LowA this year but he has essentially missed three years due to his elbow. The did MRI’s on it in 09 but didn’t show a tear so they just rehabbed him; had surgery in August 2010 after failed rehab.
Thanks for doing this, laxtonto.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Johnny (Sweeping the Leg): Is it true that Chuck Norris wears Martin Kove underoos? What do you know about the other cuban kid, Jorge Soler?
Jason Parks: Norris is a wannabe. Kove sleeps raw. Soler is a toolsy kid with lots of upside. Probably not an up-the-middle talent in the long-run, but excellent pop and a skill-set that will play in RF. Given his age and price, I’d probably prefer him to Cespedes. Of course, I haven’t seen either player in person, so my evaluation is far from complete.
cjmart29 (The Lou): Alfaro comp (if one exists)?
Jason Parks: I don’t like comps, as they often create unfair expectations for the player. Alfaro is Alfaro: he has better than average speed for a catcher, at least a 7 arm (possibly an 8), he has 7 future power, and he can control the bat. He’s very raw, but he could be an all-star if everything breaks right.
ttt (Brooklyn): Top 5 prospects in the July 2 clsas? Hernandez, Guzman, Sanchez, Osuna, Mazara?
Jason Parks: From the people I’ve spoken with, Ronald Guzman was considered to be the best all-around hitter in the J2 class of 2011.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I wonder how long
before we regret the Mazara signing..
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
WAYYYYY too early to even begin thinking about that.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I'm marking 1/26/2012
As the day GB gave up on a 16 year old kid with potential elite power.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Oh stop it.
I didn’t give up on him. I just need more to be convinced that he’s going to be worth that signing bonus than I do from Guzman [even if they signed for the same amount].
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Signing bonus isn't an analog for worth.
I bet if Guzman would have tried to get more… we’d have given to him.
And it’s too late… I’ve marked it down.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Le sigh.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Put another way...
What would have been a better use of that money… the next J2 class?
He might turn into Wily Mo Pena… but you keep looking.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Keep looking?
I got distracted… I meant to say you might as well give him a shot just in case.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No idea.
But I have limited knowledge of the options available.
It’s hard for me to say, given that the Rangers haven’t really seemed financially limited in my opinion, just financially prudent.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
I just thought of something:
How much must they not like CJ Wilson if they opted for Yu and Oswalt over him?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Wonder why Servais would green-light the move?
Surely if he knew something bad about CJ, he would have spoke up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
made a nice #4 starter for them
and they felt hurt us this year..win win..you think CJ will be in the bullpen for angels if they make the playoffs next yr?
I think CJ is a Cy Young candidate next year
and should be really good (with good health) for the next 3 years….I’ll reassess after 2014.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
"next year" = 2012.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Based on....
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Logic.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
he has 2 yrs starting pitching
when money was on the table in playoffs he was consistant no show…CY young..#1..show up
CJ was very good in 3 of 4 post-season
starts in 2010.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Spit the bit
When his club needed him most
And then came into game 7 and promptly hit a batter to drive in a run … does that spell ACE?
/had to
So you think DPrice is a shitty pitcher
because he hasn’t done well in post-season the last two years?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I said I wouldn't give him $ 110 million.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Anyone from the vaunted Angels staff make your list?
Or all they all a little long in the tooth to go $110M for?
No
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You have to change your sig
From Don’t become the ‘82 Brew Crew to Don’t become the early 90’s Braves
Though that might not work as much, for a couple of reasons
was in 2010..2011 he regressed
why would older pitcher all of a sudden get better?..he has shot his wad..servicalbe starter now
Wonder if they thing the elbow or shoulder is going to blow on him?
Aside from a serious injury, all you’re looking at with CJ is a regression on his walk rate. The groundballs and ability to strike guys out is soooo suited for our park, you figure it had to be something else …
I think something else was in play for not wanting CJ either
because it sure as hell wasn’t his performance…that was one of the best performances a starting pitcher for the Rangers has ever had since the team moved to the ballpark.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That...
…is very well stated.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think everyone agrees on that.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Agree
My out of left field theory:
Nolan, sitting in the stands during game 7, watches CJ come into the game in the 5th and plunk Furcal in the arse, turns to JD and says … ’nothing, we offer him nothing."
If he dies...
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, that seems likely
and that though they liked his performance they didn’t like it quite enough to overcome the other factors.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
And that's no problem...as long as Yu is better.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I do agree...
That Yu needs to be better than C.J. for the expenditure.
You might be able to argue they need to be at least even… not necessarily better if you buy into the extra Japanese revenue…
But I think it’s simpler to say Yu needs to be better.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
For the perceived logic to work
I’d say that the 25-year old needs to be healthier/better and provide more innings than the 31-year old … but that’s mincing words for the most part
Go ahead and feel free to make
the argument re “extra Japanese revenue.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I don't.
I’ve actually argued against it in this thread. It’s too ambiguous.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah, until we see if Yu can
hang in The Show, it’s an argument best left alone.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Well i think you could argue those dollars will be there year 1 regardless
After year one it may depend on how he performs
That's easy
Elier Hernandez and whatever other 7-figure guy you like (Victor Sanchez, Roberto Osuna, or whatever OF/C you like between 1-2m)
On Elier:
“If the hitting comes,” said one international scouting director, “he’s a superstar.”
So you think Mazara was a mistake already?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
no
you asked “where else would the money go?”. There were options. Par for the course with the Welke approach, they decided to go one sure thing and one incredible risk. I would have gone with Elio and Guzman, as Elio is already an elite athlete (and Mazara is better than Guzman but not the next Cruz or Hambone). However, if the FO decides that he is worth 5m I’m on board for awhile.
I think, but I'm not sure
That for the money the Marlins spent on that monstrosity in CF, they could have signed Guzman.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Yes,
once you include lights and water.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
You're going to break a leg with that kind of knee jerking.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
is he the kid with the slow-pitch softball leg kick?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
i know he scrapped it
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Paying that much
to someone whose mechanics have to be remade is a big risk (just ask Mendonca, Cone, Mayberry) and something the club doesn’t seem to have a good track record with.
But at least with Mazara, he’s only 16.
Yes,
I too would like to bathe in only the finest currencies.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
and the worst athlete
Ronald Guzman was considered to be the best all-around hitter in the J2 class of 2011.
I normally like Keri,
but I hated this:
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Steve (Huntington Beach): I know you are really familiar with the Rangers, can you tell us more about Leonys Martin? What kind of speed and power potential do you see him having in Texas?
Jason Parks: Not a burner, more like a guy with quick feet who is probably a 50/55 runner. Good power, not a light-tower freak show. Should be able to utilize a gap-to-gap approach with some bombs and lots of doubles.
Sorry Ghetto.. couldn’t help it..
laxtonto (locked in my office..): Can give me something to keep some of LSB from breaking a leg with the kind of knee jerking going on with Mazara.
Jason Parks: Mazara is just starting his professional journey and he has a very high-ceiling. It could be years until some of that potential starts to manifest itself on a field. Patience is necessary when you sign high-ceiling 16 year-olds from the Latin American market. No reason to have any knee-jerk reaction about the player at this stage of the game, especially when nobody (or very few) on that site has seen the kid play in game action. It’s going to be okay. Just give it time.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
jerk
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
at least it led to a LSB shout out...
Naughty By Nature (One Hit Wonderland): You down with LSB?
Jason Parks: I like the site, yes. Adam Morris does an excellent job of keeping fans of the Rangers informed and offers them a platform to react (overreact) accordingly. Fans of the team have great resources for info from guys like Adam, Jamey Newberg, Scott Lucas, and Jason Cole. They have it all covered.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Overreaction? Overraction in LSB?
That is a preposterous assertion.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
See Evan Grant's MVP vote
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
See: Sarcasm
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I realize that I made the point poorly,
but I still stand by the idea that he has to do more to feel ‘worth’ that signing bonus to me than Guzman. He signed for more despite being rated significantly worse by outside sources and after some scouts got an admittedly very brief look at him, they stuck by the idea that Guzman was great and Mazara needed a lot of work.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree that he was rated "significantly worse."
That makes him sound like he wasn’t also considered a good talent in the year’s crop.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Guzman was rated in the top 3-5 prospects in LA
Mazara was in the 15-20 range, right?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe in a ranking of likely bonuses, but that's not necessarily the same thing.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I don't think that's what those lists were trying to rank.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
That's what BA's list does.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Hrm.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
top 10 in bonuses
what was getting panned was the kid with best power in latin america, with the most ridiculously pronounced (and non-projectable) leg kick, with the his swing and miss tendencies, getting a rumored 5m deal…oops.
I'm with you
For $5M, you’d hope he’d be a lock for top-10 in our system. That doesn’t mean we’ve given up
Have to be honest,
I’m confused as to how King Leonidas grades out so well on defense when Parks consistently grades his speed out to be marginally above average.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
basepaths and routes are two different things...
not a burner is more talking about SB’s not def…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
And he may be talking about his acceleration, which is more important in stealing bases, than his top-end speed.
He says the same thing about Akins and then goes on to talk about how he’s got one of the fastest top-ends he’s ever seen.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
It's true,
it’s just odd to me. You’d think speed in one would transfer area would transfer to another.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
That is a concern for me at least.
Stealing a 90 foot base largely because of a quick start is not the same as ranging big time in center field. My understanding was LM had burner type speed. Bad example…Willie McGee could run like a deer and cover a ton of ground in center field. Vince Coleman was quick and had 100 base stealing potential. But he didn’t get a good jump on the ball and was a fairly marginal left fielder. McGee was not a good base stealer. He just couldn’t read the pitchers and get a good jump. They were both speedsters in the outfield, but one was much better stealing and the other was much better in outfield range. All and all, I’ll take great speed in center and hope that the reaction of the ball off the bat gets better.
serious question
How far do you think a CF ranges to his left and right on balls he has to go a long way to get?
Profar
doen’t have plus range for SS but supposedly makes up for it with instincts, first step quickness and smarts. For a CF, you can have a nice first step and instincts, but be slow under way, and still grade out 60-65 as long as you get to top speed quick enough. He is supposedly good on the basepaths but not a burner; he just had some difficulty with the AAA adjusment; he won’t steal 40 but could steal 20-25.
Yeah,
but am I crazy or doesn’t it seem like to be a plus (plus) defender at CF, you need at least plus speed? I admit that it’s possible not to have this, but it seems…unlikely.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Defense is more than pure range.
And if he grades out at 60, that’s plus speed.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Agreed on all of that,
that’s what made me question 50/55.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
no not crazy
I felt the same about Profar (as compared to Sardinas, eg) for the longest time, having only average speed and therefore projecting as only an average ML SS defensively (and even if true, his hit tool still makes him an AA or better SS in terms of production). But Parks seems to think that the other tools play up so well, that he should be AA but not plus like Andrus. I don’t have a good feel for that sort of thing, So I’ll roll with that until he proves otherwise.
Heh, this is entertaining in hindsight:
Don’t forget, this should be the most exciting year for Texas on the international scene and this signing would be a great way to kick it off. With the new ownership, Texas should compete to sign at least one or two of the elite j2 hitters for the first time, in the 2m+ area code. Hopefully there is a power hitting RF or 3b out their that merits the outlay. If there is an elite pitcher out there, I would expect Texas to be in on him too. Don Welke said in an interview (filmed by Ted Price) at some preseason event that Texas was all in on three of the top j2 prospects this year so something will happen. Maybe we even wade into the Yu Darvish scene if he’s posted in the off season, though the abuse young pitchers take over there should give one pause on the 50million+ posting fee (not including his salary of course).
-Goyo, 04.06.11
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
I thought that
they would blow the budget on the draft as well but they chose not to (I still can’t figure out why).
Agreed.
It feels like picking at nits, but it’s a shame especially in light of the new rules.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
interesting thing about the last sentence
(though i should note I was pretty close on the Texas outlay on Darvish: I thought it would be 50 + 50 over 5yrs if they won the bidding) is that Nippon carefully monitored his innings the first 2 years. I can’t say how much he was overused in HS, suffice it to say, he probably was, as a superstar during his entire HS stay coupled with the HS tournament madness there. But at least Nippon did not abuse him initially, likely treating him as a future posting commodity.
Yeah,
I thought about bringing that up, but you were pretty spot on in the rest that I figured I’d let it slide.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Cole and that other SBN dude
pegged Martin with 60 speed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Over/under
Harrison and Olt returning the Gio package in trade.
I say way over.
Enough motivation to sign Oswalt, slot him at 4, and make the deal? It’s selling high on both players.
Go Strangers.
If you trade both, I say over.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I don't know that it truly is selling high,
it could be, but…
I don’t know enough about the prospects they got back in the Gio trade. They seem solid but not amazing?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
The problem is that if you look at the 40-150 range
and the holes in the Rangers system, it is going to be real hard to find a match..
We have some needs in the OF and 1B at the upper levels. So unless we go supper young lotto picks, finding a equitable match will be a bitch…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Love Parks...
Dan (Brooklyn): Just so you know, some of us really like your analysis but can’t stand the #want-#legend-“he’s a Texan” inside-joke shtick and think it makes it more difficult than necessary to find the substance of what you have to offer.
Jason Parks: Not everything can be handed to you in a neat little package for easy consumption. I ask a lot of people, and I think forcing the extra effort makes the journey more fun. If you want easy to swallow pills, there are plenty of other sources out there that can provide that service. I like to add a little spice to the process. #want
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
He's absoultely right.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Yep...
Wait are you talking about Parks or the dude from Brooklyn?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
C'mon, lax.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
sorry... couldn't help it...
I know you have a hidden fondness for Yankees…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
stab stab stab
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
ramjam36 (Dallas): Out of the following, pick a player and a pitcher most likely to be Top 50 prospects at this time next year: #TheLegend, Jordan Akins, Ronald Guzman, Luis Marte, David Perez, Victor Payano, Yohander Mendez, Luke Jackson, and Roman Mendez. Thanks for chatting Professor!
Jason Parks: #TheLegend (Jorge Alfaro) and David Perez
froston (America’s Hat (Canada)): Can you think of any possible 90 tools in the minors right now (or 10s)? I know the scale stops at 80, but theoretically someone can of course be 4 standard deviations from the mean. I always thought this would make a fun article, possible present/historical 90/10 tools.
Jason Parks: Billy Hamilton has 100 speed. No question.
Odd answer on the 1-8 scale question… I might have to pull some game film on Hamilton…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I agree with that first one, though #TheLegend will still be young.
I wonder if Matt West would make it.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
hard for reliever to break the top 50...
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Sheepers?
Though I see the argument that he was ranked that highly based on the chance that he could start.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
he's talking
only the teen set
Good point.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
How does one relate Standard Deviations to the scouting scale?
That’s the first I’ve ever heard that.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
1 to 8...
mean of 40 stand dev of 10
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
so essentiall 67% of all players should lie in the 30-50 range..
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Why are we assuming it's a normal distribution?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
yep
not a huge fan of the design because it probably doesn’t follow the normal dist, but that is there assumption
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I don't think it fits at all.
I think you’re dealing with the right tail of a normal distribution.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
right tail
and left taint.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Hamilton will never hit enough to be a regular player
But from his minor league records he is unstoppable on the basepaths.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Johnny (Cobra Kai Dojo): Biggest threat at a Tigers postgame spread this year, Laird, Cabrera or Fielder?
Jason Parks: Jesus. Haven’t thought about this. All three can let ’er rip in that department.
ssimon (Pelham, NY): How would a scout react to seeing a guy with Miguel Cabrera’s tools playing third base?
Jason Parks: He’d say, “What a great hitter.”
Roy Munson (Iowa State bowling champ): Are you still a believer in Dononic Brown?
Jason Parks: Sure. The process can take time and there are often setbacks along the way. I still believe in the promise of what he can become.
Kate Upton (New York): Who has more HR Power, me or Elvis Andrus?
Jason Parks: Elvis. He also has a better smile.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Close, but I'll allow it.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
GB: check the OT
my post at bottom.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Jan 26, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Werd.
Thanks for the heads up.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
heh
I bet they have a lot of fat reporters too.
KLAW was earlier today as well.. Not alot there Rangercentric..
Nathan (Iowa) [via mobile]
As the GM of the Cubs, would you be comfortable going into a bidding war in excess of $50 million for Cespedes’ services? Target Soler? Cespedes? Both?
Klaw
(1:21 PM)
I’d be in on both, since they’re the last truly free international free agents we’ll have until eventually baseball realizes they’ve shot themselves in the foot with the restrictions in the new CBA.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
diasagree
the pricing will be different but only about 15 clubs have terrific LA scouting departments (and half that many willing to shell out 2m+ for a player) so the players will be the same (at least in 2012) but the bonus distribution will change. However, you could still see a club paying 2.9 million for a superstar as their only sign with the rest being org guys (2-5k) and no more than 100k for low level prosepcts. Telis, Herrera, T-mart, and probalby Villa all signed for 100-150k bonuses.
Also
Cubans at least 23yo with 2 years of prof exper are exempt from the 2.9m limit so there could be a handful of kids of interest every year. Martin would have been exempt if the rule applied last year.
I've been wondering about this.
Do you have source material for the Cuban player issue?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
yes
I believe it was BA though I’ll have to hunt for it…
BA (sub)
excerpt from their CBA winners/losers article with Cubans as one of the losers:
Cuban Defectors: The new restrictions of signing bonuses for international players will not go into effect until July 2, but once they do, they could significantly affect the amount of money younger Cuban defectors receive. Under the new rules, any international players 23 or younger are subject to the international bonus limits, which will limit teams to an average of $2.9 million in signing bonuses a year on the international market. In recent years, Aroldis Chapman (a $30 million major league deal) and Leonys Martin (a $15 million major league deal with a $5 million bonus) are two of numerous examples of players who would receive significantly less money under the new rules. Club officials wouldn’t be surprised if the trickle of Cuban defectors turns into a flood in upcoming months in an attempt to sign before the new rules go into effect.
wouldn't surprise me
if this kind of provision might still be in flux
Greg (Newport Beach): How do you think Mike Olt will fit into the Rangers plans given that he’s blocked by Beltre? Could he hit enough as an AL first baseman?
Jason Parks: Yes, but I think he would have more value in trade than as a 1B for the Rangers. You can find decent 1B. It’s very hard to find well above-average defensive 3B that can hit for power.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
This. so much this.
You can find decent 1B.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Agree
A lot of angst over replacing Moreland in 2013 if the Moreland/Young/Napoli triumverate doesn’t hold up in 2012
If JD can get us a roto and bully, I don’t think he’s scared off by the towering task of finding a good obp/slug 1B with the expanded resources now available.
Taylor (Amarillo): Aren’t Manny Banuelos and Martin Perez essentially the same prospect?
Jason Parks: They are similar but not the same. I’d take Perez over Banuelos because I think his stuff has a little more bite to it.
Tomcat (Sacramento): You wouldn’t sign Hamilton because?
Jason Parks: He is injury-prone and I think babysitting him would be an experience that causes headaches on a regular basis. Crazy amounts of talent when he is on the field, but lots of strings that come attached to that talent. I’d let him walk before offering up an extension.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
SC (Minneapolis): Very random question: What current prospect is most likely to have the longest career? Not the best player, the player most likely to resemble Julio Franco. Bonus points if the prospect eats a dozen egg whites before every game.
Jason Parks: Elvis Andrus strikes me as a guy that could pull a Vizquel and play until he’s 75 years-old
Shawn (Cambridge MA): Why are the Rangers potentially interested in Oswalt this season? I understand you can never have enough starting pitching, but eventually you do run out of roster spots.
Jason Parks: You answered the question. You can never have enough quality major league arms. Injuries happen, ineffectiveness happens, areas of weakness open up and trading from a strength is good for business, the season is very long so many things can and will go wrong that bringing in a capable pitcher is very rarely a bad idea.
Steve (CA): Who is the best non pitching prospect in the minors right now not named Harper or Trout?
Jason Parks: Jurickson Profar or Manny Machado
knockoutking (LSB): i cant believe that people want to come TO YOUR CHAT, which ONLY INVOLVES YOU CHATTING to complain about how you do your thing. mind = blown. and here i was thinking that the subscribers/readers of BP were a cut above…
Jason Parks: They are a cut above. Look, I’m an acquired taste with some idiosyncratic traits that can rub people the wrong way. I’m aware of this. I absolutely love the people who are looking for something a little different and encourage me to be who I am. That’s awesome. But I also understand if my routine gets old for people or if the insider stuff that was referenced turns people off. We can’t all enjoy the same things at the same time in the same manner.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
finnerty.fan (CropsOnTheFarm): can you finally come clean that you and i are one in the same?
Jason Parks: Not the same guy, sorry
finnerty.fan (CropsOnTheFarm): If we are not the same person, do you at least know who I am?
Jason Parks: The guy from Lone Star Ball who likes to fight with Jamey Newberg.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
ben (trapped): Do you believe that relief prospects should fall in that top 50 of all prospects in baseball?
Jason Parks: Yes, if they project to be frontline closers at the major league level.
ajayem (LoneStarBall): What are your thoughts on Cody Buckel? Is he a pitcher who succeeds mainly based on the depth of his arsenal and his ability to sequence? How does he compare to former Rangers prospect Robbie Erlin?
Jason Parks: Solid-avg arm with good feel for craft and good (but not great) stuff across the board. He doesn’t have the same type of command that Erlin has, but he has similar feel and his stuff is a little sharper. Buckel is also one of the smartest pitchers I’ve been around, always showing the other players how to chart, how to spot certain pitches, etc. After baseball, he’s either going to make a very good coach or a very good talent evaluator.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Best one of the day for me...
basejaw (Dallas): Do you think we will see some of Jordan Akins’ raw power actualize in game this season?
Jason Parks: You will see it eventually, although it might take more time. It was very present during the fall instructional league, so hopefully that’s a positive step towards bringing out the power in game action this spring.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I don't care about the power right now
I just want him to be good at baseball
Ya know...
…I know I’m not the most well-read guy, but I’m fairly certain that not only have I not ever read anything by these guys, I’m not sure I could name one work. I can’t decide if this means I should be embarrassed for myself or awed by Parks.
My biggest influences are Ellis, Wallace, DeLillo, Camus, and Bernhard
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Modern novelists
Don’t feel too bad
If he’d had said Joyce, Twain, Steinbeck and Shakespeare and your reaction was the same … well
Heh
I also would not have attended high school in the US.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
DeLillo (I think) wrote a book about LH Oswald or the JFK murder plus something recently
having to do with Bobby Thomson’s HR in ’51.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
See Libra and Underworld.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Nope...haven't read either one of those books.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
It's very good. Long, but very good.
And the opening section set in the ballpark: amazing.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
You didn't have to read "The Stranger" in high school?
Bernhard is… trying.
Wallace wrote “Infinite Jest” — I’d bet you’ve heard of that?
And “American Psycho” and “Less Than Zero” are both by Ellis; I’d be sort of surprised if you hadn’t heard of them?
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
<3 Parks
Someone Watching a Twitter Fight (The Twittersphere): What is your stance on the use of “we,” “our,” et al by fans in reference to their team?
Jason Parks: I don’t have a problem with it. Fans pay the bills with their passion, and often times that passion is so intense and real that you feel like you are a part of the team you are cheering for. What’s the harm, really? To take a didactic stance that it’s wrong or inappropriate seems like a waste of time, especially when it doesn’t affect you. When I discuss the Dallas Cowboys, I say we. If you have a problem with my level of support, you can kiss my ass.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Agred.
I understand why you don’t want your professional media types saying it, but fans? Come now…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
jhardman (Apex, NC): Can you give me your thoughts on the long term value of these third base prospects: Moustakas, Chisenhall, Olt, Lawrie. And whether they will stay at 3B.
Jason Parks: Lawrie has made himself into a better defensive player, but its never going to be great. My rankings: Lawrie, Moose, Chisenhall, Olt
bateman19 (Boston, MA): Jason, Has your opinion of Martin Perez changed at all coming into this year? Everything I read suggests he has the potential to become a true ace but he has continued to struggle in the minors, although he is still very young. Do you see him reaching his ceiling and do you see him pitching in Texas this season?
Jason Parks: He doesn’t have the potential to be a true ace, but he could develop into a solid #2/3 type on a very good team. He was never going to be an ace. People jump the gun on that stuff all the time. Struggles can be a good thing, as it forces the pitcher to adjust in order to survive and flourish. Perez has a good chance of reaching a respectable ceiling as a big league starter, but he’s not going to be an ace.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Can someone help me visualize what he means by a No. 2 on a good team?
A guy who’d be a No. 1 somewhere given even distribution, but in reality would be the second best on most playoff teams is how I take it to mean. Maybe a 4-5 WAR player put in a stat format?
Accurate? And does he mean that as Perez’s ceiling at this point.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
by philkid3 on Jan 26, 2012 5:22 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Sara (Tacoma): For their big league (MLB) careers, who do you like long-term between Gerrit Cole, Yu Darvish, and Trevor Bauer?
Jason Parks: Darvish, Cole, Bauer in that order
SC (Minneapolis): What semi-recent prospects have you been most wrong about (in either direction)? Why were you wrong?
Jason Parks: I was wrong about Engel Beltre. I thought the tools were starting to mature. Unfortunately, maturity has to occur both on the field and off.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I haven't given up on them yet...
I’m holding out hope that both can be good. I’m probably wrong, but if Ive seen them flash the promise so I know its in there.
Not a criticism by the way
those three kids. They were just three guys who I was never really high on from the get go (Alvarez) or after a certain point and time, Thompson, post ’10 (if not post SS ’09) and Beltre, post ’09.
You still think that both have realistic ceilings as back roto arms? Never saw it myself but then I’ve never seen them myself:)! I always thought that you and KG (and TX staff, as sources too, I would guess) discounted Thompson’s hittability way too much (but no one could predict he’d get the yips last year, or whatever that was) in favor of his delivery. As for Alvarez, a RH with little projection with a BA FB- i never got your fascination with the kid. Uncharacteristic of you, a self-proclaimed tools whore, but I guess to potential plus secs is toolsy too, in a way.
On that front, why the shift in opinion on Leury? I still don’t think the kid hits in the upper minors and his defensive inconsistency seems to be more of a problem than just the “he just needs to slow the game down” variety which has been said each and every year.
Garcia
Not a huge shift, but the kid got better and I had to adjust my evaluation. I’m still not super high on him, but he has taken developmental steps forward.
You ignored my questions on Wily Peralta, Parks
dangerous game to play… Don’t think I can’t take my $10 to the titter next year
lucky you
he was about to disappear you.
Damn..
Marcus (Iraq): Do you also chuckle when fans say they could do a better job than “insert MLB GM”?
Jason Parks: Every single time, except when it’s the White Sox. Then I actually believe the average fan could in fact do a better job.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
MonkeyEpoxy (College Station): Piggybacking off of the Shelby Miller question: Does Neil Ramirez’s fastball behave the same way?
Jason Parks: It does. Ramirez has excellent extension on the pitch and creates good plane to the plate. Add the velo and the movement and the pitch becomes more than just its radar gun reading.
zombiechucks (twitter): Is there a top 5 players that you would be ok trading Jurickson Profar for?
Jason Parks: I’d trade Profar for any player that I thought would be a better investment for the team in both the short term and the long term. I’d trade Profar for Kershaw or Moore or Trout or Harper or several other players that could help the team now and in the future.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Corby should really STFU when Great Game Talk breaks out.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
jhardman (Apex, NC): Rumors are abounding regarding a trade of Andrew McCutchen to Texas for a prospect laden package. If this happened, would Pirates fans have the right to put Neal Huntington’s head on a stick? And if so, what sort of package would you imagine the Rangers sending to Pittsburgh?
Jason Parks: I’m not supposed to talk about the Rangers because it will cause some to go poo-poo in their di-di.
I have no idea about the package, but it would take a guy like Profar, one would assume. It would also take a bunch of other top tier prospects.
joseconsuervo (Ann Arbor): Follow up on: “Jason Parks: Jurickson Profar or Manny Machado”. Jurickson Profar or Manny Machado?
Jason Parks: Today? Profar. If you ask me tomorrow? I might go Machado. It’s a coin flip for me
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
...
Rumors abound where.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
LSB comment section!
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
o mai
LSB would shut down. There’s not enough bandwidth in Texas for that event.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
concepcion close to signing (mlbtr)
with someone
he's cuban robbie ross, right?
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
I think his stuff may be a bit better,
but yeah, we’re not talking TORP here.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
the both project as starting pitchers
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