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Tomcat (Sacramento): You wouldn't sign Hamilton because?Jason Parks: He is injury-prone and I think babysitting him would be an experience that causes headaches on a regular basis. Crazy amounts of talent when he is on the field, but lots of strings that come attached to that talent. I'd let him walk before offering up an extension.
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He could have just stopped at injury prone. The rest of it just seems like a preemptive strike.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Oooohhhhh JDT.....
jhardman (Apex, NC): Rumors are abounding regarding a trade of Andrew McCutchen to Texas for a prospect laden package. If this happened, would Pirates fans have the right to put Neal Huntington’s head on a stick? And if so, what sort of package would you imagine the Rangers sending to Pittsburgh?
Jason Parks: I’m not supposed to talk about the Rangers because it will cause some to go poo-poo in their di-di.
I have no idea about the package, but it would take a guy like Profar, one would assume. It would also take a bunch of other top tier prospects.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
If they manage to get their hands on a player
like McCutchen or Stanton … I don’t know if I could find ways to express my admiration
Wow.
Probably no chance.
But if they did …
All right, can't help myself
You figure the package would start with Leonys, right? B/c he’d obviously be pretty blocked and doesn’t have the kind of pop you’d want on a corner. And you’d have to figure that Profar would be gone too, unless it’s a pitching heavy package. (hmm?)
Would something like Feliz, Leonys, Ramirez, Olt and Buckel get it done?
Or Harrison, Leonys, Ramirez, Profar be more to their liking?
WHY IN THE SHIT ARE WE TRADING FELIZ.
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by Aqua on Jan 26, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So we don't have to deal Profar...
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
That second deal hurts, but I can't deny it.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
No way they do it without him.
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I think they might do Perez, Profar, Martin + lower level filler
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
we have a glut of major league starters
it seems like we’d want to include one in the package, and it seems like they’d want one. Wouldn’t they value Harrison over Perez?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
5
plus Ogando and Feldman, who both fill important roles in the pen, and therefore, aren’t really starters stuck in AAA is a glut. OK.
Oooh,
what about Ogando, Perez, Martin, Olt?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
Ogando makes a lot more sense than Harry in a deal
Doesn’t justify Oswalt, but still.
That’s 11 years of control of #2-#4 starters + a legit ML CF + a legit ML 3b (albeit, a little further off)
That’s a shitload of value.
Yes.
Toss in a young A ball hurler and wrap it up?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
They'd be pretty foolish not to do that deal, imo
And I think we’d be pretty foolish to do it (value-wise), but the truth is, that’s exactly the type of package that wouldn’t hurt our system too much.
That is, unless Ogando isn't really a good starter
and for some reason, everyone knows that… but, I don’t buy that.
I think that he can be a good starter,
but will need to improve (a third pitch) to provide value at the rate that he provided value as a starter last year.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
29 this season?
Not a lot of mileage on the arm. I think he’ll be fine for as long as they control him. Poor guy won’t ever get his big FA payday, though.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yes,
but doesn’t have much mileage on the arm. Trying to look at it objectively, he’s a pretty interesting target if you think he could be a good starter and you think the Rangers value you him as a very good reliever or some such.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
depends on how they value Ogando, I guess
this seems like too much to me, but I’m often accused of overvaluing our players.
In my mind, Perez is still a top pitching prospect and Ogando had flashes of dominance last year. Those two alone have tremendous value. Adding two top 100 prospects at premium positions seems like too much (unless they want to throw in Hanrahan).
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I think the reason why it's easy to
part with any of the non-Feliz prospects is that they don’t have the ceiling of a #1 guy.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
perhaps
but it seems like both Ogando and Perez have a decent shot at being solid #2s. We’re not talking about Hunters and Feldmans here.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Sure,
but I think it’s trading away future stars that hurts the most. I think that’s why we’re more hesitant to trade Profar than Perez, for example.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
I should have clarified that I expect them to sign Oswalt
if this happens. But I would also include Perez and Ramirez in this discussion.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yes.
This is understood, I think.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
oh ok
missed the import. Though Martin and NeRa shouldn’t be starting for a contender until 2013 at the soonest.
hahahahahahahaahah
Feliz is a top tier arm and Harrison is a proven above average starter. These guys have tremendous value in and of themselves. They aren’t part of 5 player packages.
But thanks for the laugh.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Where are these rumors?
I haven’t heard shit about Cutch to the Rangers.
by LiamP on Jan 26, 2012 4:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I KNOW, RIGHT.
YOU WOULD THINK WE WOULD HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT.
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I thought we were just dreaming about McCutchen
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
The only scenario in which I can imagine him being a Ranger would hurt way too much for me to enjoy it.
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
Fox 4 reported it was a done deal
in November.
#mediawar
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There are no rumors about that
Unlike the Oswalt to the Rangers rumors…
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 26, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
It makes a ton of sense.
I’ve been thinking about it all offseason. If we add Oswalt, we really can afford to trade a guy like Harrison. Harrison, L Martin and Olt (two top 100 prospects and a controllable, above average starter for those scoring at home) should get it done.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
It wont
24 year old OFs with 4 years of team control left who have put up wRC+ of 125+ in all three of their ML seasons cost a hell of a lot more than Harrison, Leonys, and Olt
but look at how the market is valuing young, controllable starters this offseason
I know McC has a ton of value, a ton, and for good reason. But I think Harrison has quite a bit a well, and Leonys and Olt play the two most premium positions in baseball right now.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
While this is true,
I don’t know that Harrison would fit within their window of wanting to compete. Wouldn’t it make more sense to want near majors but not in the majors talent?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
I just don't know that there is enough upside there.
I think you have to include Profar or Perez.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
in addition, or instead of?
I’d do Harrison, Perez and Martin. In fact, I might prefer it.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
plus Olt.
I’d prefer Perez over Olt, too.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
These rumors are coming from the DMN and MLB commenters.
There are no real rumors.
by kchorton on Jan 26, 2012 5:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wish we could get a Pirates fan over here to talk about this.
Either one of them.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Pirate fans would demand the lease to the state of Texas for McCutchen
they wanted Profar for Hanrahan and thought it was a good deal earlier this summer.
They’re the rare fan that even suck at rebuilding.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Ogodno
You need to meet some of the Astros fans I’ve met. They don’t understand why their first round picks take so long to make an impact, why Drayton wouldn’t invest in the team to extend Pence and Bourne and bring in other stars so they could beat the Cardinals.
=|
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
What a ridiculous position that was.
I remember that mess.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
that Mcutchenistruth guy who posts here occasionally
knows his stuff, I think.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Heheheh
I feel like the only place where this rumor has been swirling is LSB.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Some reporter just asked if there was a weight clause in Fielders contract.
Heh.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
fully agree
the additional risk associated with his past tendencies should absolutely be weighed into his contract.
To my knowledge, Jayson Werth was never an addict or had to have a chaperone.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Hamilton's pedigree cuts both ways though.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Lotta Martin Kove talk in that chat
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
no not here
Lax is posting all Rangers-related exchanges in the AM post
Sorry
I’m not opposed to every possible contract with Hamilton, which seems to be how this sounds. But there’s a good possibility that someone like the Dodgers would be willing to offer a longer term and more money than the Rangers should.
by Neftali's arm on Jan 26, 2012 5:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My guess is
Hamilton will be just like CJ, Any deal The FO is willing to do is significantly under what some ther team will offer, so why bother trying. Just hope a pissed Josh has a monster contract year and gets us a ring.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
OT: Geraldo Concepcion
is apparently closed to signing.
So the first domino falls.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Yes, but with whom...
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
That sounds like a made-up name if I've ever heard one
His real name is probably Pablo Castro, and he’s 31 years old. I don’t trust anyone anymore. Especially the guys with 80-grade names.
What a perfect name to start things off with
A burden should never be something out of your control.
We will have a Cuban sandwich
Sign Concepcion
Do Not Sign Cespedes
Sign Soler
End off season.
Celebrate
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Will Soler sign this offseason/
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
?
Also, does this team have a need for a guy liek Concepcion?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
who cares
free talent is free talent. Especially with those new rules coming.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Especially someone as highly regarded as Soler.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Well, it's not free, ya see...
I dunno, given the current make up of the team, I’d rather have Soler.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
[and Cespedes, I guess since you already listed him]
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
I think Cespedes makes less sense than either of the other guys
plus, I don’t think Soler and Concepcion is an either or proposition.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Yeah, that last part is why your scenario makes more sense.
But if you could only have one of them?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
Soler
not even close.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
d'accord
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
why?
if he ends up getting 5-7 years totaling about 35m with lots of performance clauses, and with a split contract for 2012, wouldn’t you be interested? I would be if the TX scouts are.
I dont imagine
that he will cost too much. I also don’t expect that a team like the Rangers are interested in a SP prospect unless he has a chance of reaching a #3 ceiling even if they think it likely that his realistic ceiling is a back roto guy. I think Concepcion is the same kind deal. Also, people seem to think they have a firmer grasp on his stuff than they do. If he as touching 91 at 17 then they are wrong.
Yeah,
I guess it’s that issue of how do you project him…we just don’t have near enough info.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
sign me up
Might as well take advantage of this while we still can. Except I expect other teams are thinking similar thoughts. Great time to be an international FA.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Werd.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 26, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
is parks gay?
i cant tell when some people joke about it, like tosh.0
He's married.
To a woman.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
He's not?
Now I feel awkward. Sorry, ProfSex.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
That's what I thought.
Crazy Tyler trying to trick me.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
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